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Title: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 19, 2010, 11:19:06 AM
[taken from allmusic]:

1         Rhapsody In Blue (Intro)                 1:07
2         The Like In I Love You                 3:19*
3         Summertime                                 3:13
4         I Loves You Porgy                         3:37
5         I Got Plenty O' Nuttin'                 2:44
6         It Ain't Necessarily So                 3:57
7         'S Wonderful                                 2:48
8         They Can't Take That Away From Me 2:50
9         Love is Here To Stay                      2:58
10         I've Got a Crush On You                 2:41
11         I Got Rhythm                                 2:42
12         Someone To Watch Over Me         3:04
13         Nothing But Love                         3:24*
14         Rhapsody In Blue (Reprise)           :37

* are presumably the new pieces.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: hypehat on June 19, 2010, 11:33:55 AM
I am dead psyched now. Roll on August!


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Wirestone on June 19, 2010, 12:03:38 PM
Ah -- a 35 minute album. Pure Brian Wilson.

Neat to see the little Porgy and Bess mini-suite -- 3-6 are from the opera.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: ? on June 19, 2010, 10:35:57 PM
Neat to see the little Porgy and Bess mini-suite -- 3-6 are from the opera.

I'm bummed that he's not doing Here Come De Honey Man!


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 19, 2010, 11:52:43 PM
Two small snippets of "Rhapsody In Blue"  :(


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Wirestone on June 20, 2010, 01:33:42 AM
He'd said they were doing "the pretty part" in interviews, which likely means the slow song-like bit in the middle. Not a surprise, really. I didn't expect him to do 20 minutes of it.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Don_Zabu on June 20, 2010, 02:18:46 AM
Maybe if he had, it would've rounded out the 35 minute album to an even 55.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Sam_BFC on June 20, 2010, 04:35:35 AM
Looks good doesn't it :)

They finished recording and mixing ages ago, and the mastering is presumably done if we have tracklisting and all, so why do we have to wait another two months for the thing?!

Oh well.  :)


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 20, 2010, 10:54:00 AM
He'd said they were doing "the pretty part" in interviews, which likely means the slow song-like bit in the middle. Not a surprise, really. I didn't expect him to do 20 minutes of it.


Yeah, but only 1:47, split in two, on GG's greatest work :-(

And the 35 mins is pretty thin by today's standards


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 20, 2010, 11:17:05 AM
He'd said they were doing "the pretty part" in interviews, which likely means the slow song-like bit in the middle. Not a surprise, really. I didn't expect him to do 20 minutes of it.


Yeah, but only 1:47, split in two, on GG's greatest work :-(

And the 35 mins is pretty thin by today's standards

As I recall, GIOMH was about 55 minutes.

Of sh*t.

Whereas Pet Sounds was about 32 minutes.

Of stone genius.

Again, I'll just put forth a proposition: you cannot petition the lord with prayer. Also, what say we wait until we actually hear the album before we start bitching.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Don't Back Down on June 20, 2010, 11:20:42 AM
Again, I'll just put forth a proposition: you cannot petition the lord with prayer. Also, what say we wait until we actually hear the album before we start bitching.

Here! Here!

I'm loving the tracklist. I really cant wait to hear this album. Curious as to how Brian
arranged the material if he gives a jazz flavor to the songs or just goes in another direction.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: A Million Units In Jan! on June 20, 2010, 02:31:16 PM
On first glance, I thought it said 'I Loves You Orgy'  :o


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: bgas on June 20, 2010, 04:04:05 PM

Again, I'll just put forth a proposition: you cannot petition the lord with prayer. Also, what say we wait until we actually hear the album before we start bitching.

We're gonna have to wait anyway... 
Still:
While it's easy to imagine Brian only planning to do 12 songs of about 3 minutes each, since that's all he's (seemingly) ever  produced for a single release,
it's hard to believe there's not one person in Brian's camp that would bring up the short timing; someone to try and convince him he might get a better reception if the release was larger.
Of course, maybe that's where the Best Buy/Walmart/Itunes( EXCLUSIVE) bonus tracks come in to play...


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Shady on June 20, 2010, 05:50:33 PM
WOW, Short and sweet.

Can't wait.  ;D


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: mtaber on June 20, 2010, 07:56:09 PM
Not to be a math guy or anything, but I think the tracks add up to 39:01...


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Wirestone on June 20, 2010, 09:16:47 PM
36.21, actually.

But I wasn't even harping on the length. I think it's great -- TLOS was under 40 minutes IIRC, and IJWMFTT is under 30. Brian is a really old-school guy when it comes to album length, and it's kind of charming, really.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Mr. Cohen on June 20, 2010, 09:28:24 PM
I've always thought 35-45 minutes is about right for an album. More than that and 99% of the time there is filler, because there was a need to fill up all of the space on the CD, whether you were truly inspired or not.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: matt-zeus on June 20, 2010, 11:17:56 PM
On first glance, I thought it said 'I Loves You Orgy'  :o

Now had Dennis done a Gershwin album, that's what it might have been called...


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Dove Nested Towers on June 21, 2010, 12:21:23 AM
On first glance, I thought it said 'I Loves You Orgy'  :o

Now had Dennis done a Gershwin album, that's what it might have been called...

 :-D :-D :-D


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: mtaber on June 21, 2010, 03:37:16 AM
39:01


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: The Shift on June 21, 2010, 03:47:54 AM
... 35 mins is pretty thin by today's standards

That's the thing - "today's standards".  I prefer Brian's standards. If you want today's standards, buy today's music, if there is such a thing!  ::)


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: phirnis on June 21, 2010, 07:27:59 AM
Looking forward to hearing "Love Is Here To Stay" especially.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on June 21, 2010, 08:42:51 AM
I believe that mtaber is correct about the time. I just added it up myself.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 21, 2010, 09:16:57 AM
I believe that mtaber is correct about the time. I just added it up myself.

That's the first time I've ever seen the words "taber" and "correct" in the same sentence. On the same page, even.  ;D


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 21, 2010, 09:20:19 AM
Looking forward to hearing "Love Is Here To Stay" especially.

I have this crazy notion as regards the arrangements that's just crazy enough to maybe happen. And if it does... maaaaaaaannn !!!  :thud


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 21, 2010, 11:28:15 AM
:D


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Wirestone on June 21, 2010, 12:22:32 PM
I am clearly an idiot.

And while I'm apologizing for my inability to add 60-second units, I should also mention that despite the name Wirestone, this is the same poster known as claymcc for most of the last five years. My last name (McCuistion) changed (to Wirestone), and I thought I'd change my user name to go along with it. But I'm still the same guy that somehow managed to write a multi-part essay praising GIOMH. Speaking of apologies ... hmm.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 21, 2010, 04:18:44 PM
He'd said they were doing "the pretty part" in interviews, which likely means the slow song-like bit in the middle. Not a surprise, really. I didn't expect him to do 20 minutes of it.


Yeah, but only 1:47, split in two, on GG's greatest work :-(

And the 35 mins is pretty thin by today's standards

As I recall, GIOMH was about 55 minutes.

Of merda.

Whereas Pet Sounds was about 32 minutes.

Of stone genius.

Again, I'll just put forth a proposition: you cannot petition the lord with prayer. Also, what say we wait until we actually hear the album before we start bitching.

Couldn't have put it better myself - longer isn't necessarily better.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 21, 2010, 07:28:36 PM
He'd said they were doing "the pretty part" in interviews, which likely means the slow song-like bit in the middle. Not a surprise, really. I didn't expect him to do 20 minutes of it.


Yeah, but only 1:47, split in two, on GG's greatest work :-(

And the 35 mins is pretty thin by today's standards

As I recall, GIOMH was about 55 minutes.

Of merda.

Whereas Pet Sounds was about 32 minutes.

Of stone genius.

Again, I'll just put forth a proposition: you cannot petition the lord with prayer. Also, what say we wait until we actually hear the album before we start bitching.

Couldn't have put it better myself - longer isn't necessarily better.

39 minutes is better (who is the old Sod that came up with 35 mins?)

If "RIB" is as good as I think it's going to be, we'll all be wishing it was 3 mins instead of half as long.

Critics do note the length of albums; and it does affect sales!

Deja Vu All Over Again by John Fogerty clocked in around 35 mins and the reviews noted it/sales were poor.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 22, 2010, 12:26:19 AM
He'd said they were doing "the pretty part" in interviews, which likely means the slow song-like bit in the middle. Not a surprise, really. I didn't expect him to do 20 minutes of it.


Yeah, but only 1:47, split in two, on GG's greatest work :-(

And the 35 mins is pretty thin by today's standards

As I recall, GIOMH was about 55 minutes.

Of merda.

Whereas Pet Sounds was about 32 minutes.

Of stone genius.

Again, I'll just put forth a proposition: you cannot petition the lord with prayer. Also, what say we wait until we actually hear the album before we start bitching.

Couldn't have put it better myself - longer isn't necessarily better.

39 minutes is better (who is the old Sod that came up with 35 mins?)

If "RIB" is as good as I think it's going to be, we'll all be wishing it was 3 mins instead of half as long.

Critics do note the length of albums; and it does affect sales!

Deja Vu All Over Again by John Fogerty clocked in around 35 mins and the reviews noted it/sales were poor.

If the material is good/great, doesn't matter how long the album is, it'll seem much shorter.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Myk Luhv on June 22, 2010, 10:33:28 AM
Weezer's second self-titled album (2001) had only 28 minutes of "gay pop songs" [Rivers' words] and it sold phenomenally, reaching #4 on Billboard with two Top Ten singles. As they say, it's not so much length as it is girth what you do with it!


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Alex on June 22, 2010, 11:16:45 AM


10         I've Got a Crush On You                 2:41
11         I Got Rhythm                                 2:42



He's got a Beat Happening cover and a remake of MIU's opening track on the new record? :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 22, 2010, 11:48:29 AM
Weezer's second self-titled album (2001) had only 28 minutes of "gay pop songs" [Rivers' words] and it sold phenomenally, reaching #4 on Billboard with two Top Ten singles. As they say, it's not so much length as it is girth what you do with it!

Now that's a great analogy - Weezer and Wilson.  Fully expect Brian to do a video like 'Hash Pipe" and tap into the massive 14-16 year old sales demographic like Weezer did.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Alex on June 22, 2010, 12:45:08 PM
Weezer's second self-titled album (2001) had only 28 minutes of "gay pop songs" [Rivers' words] and it sold phenomenally, reaching #4 on Billboard with two Top Ten singles. As they say, it's not so much length as it is girth what you do with it!

Green is a huge pile of merda compared to Blue and Pinkerton.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 22, 2010, 12:51:37 PM
Weezer's second self-titled album (2001) had only 28 minutes of "gay pop songs" [Rivers' words] and it sold phenomenally, reaching #4 on Billboard with two Top Ten singles. As they say, it's not so much length as it is girth what you do with it!

Green is a huge pile of merda compared to Blue and Pinkerton.

Green is fine, to me, but even Pinkerton and Blue barely crack the half hour mark and they're just right, as far as time goes. You're not bored or fatigued from listening to it front to back, and it's enough to both satisfy and maybe even make you want to listen again.

Pet Sounds is the same way, really.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Myk Luhv on June 22, 2010, 07:28:27 PM
Weezer's second self-titled album (2001) had only 28 minutes of "gay pop songs" [Rivers' words] and it sold phenomenally, reaching #4 on Billboard with two Top Ten singles. As they say, it's not so much length as it is girth what you do with it!

Now that's a great analogy - Weezer and Wilson.  Fully expect Brian to do a video like 'Hash Pipe" and tap into the massive 14-16 year old sales demographic like Weezer did.

A bonus, hidden track on the album will be Brian's cover of "Tired of Sex" done Love You style!


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Mr. Cohen on June 22, 2010, 08:13:12 PM
In all honesty, Brian doing Gershwin and the new Autolux CD both come out in August (weird duo, I knew). What a way to cap that month off! I'm legitimately excited.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: TheLazenby on June 22, 2010, 10:20:45 PM
They Might Be Giants' "The Spine" (from 2004) was slammed for being too short as well - a lot of fans pointed out its mere 30 minute (give or take) length.

With two EP's worth of material released around that same time, as well as a couple Internet-only tracks, bootlegs started to emerge presenting the album in a more 'complete' form.  If I remember right, my own extended version included the entire album, both EP's (including both variations of "Au Contraire" spliced together), and both downloadable tracks, and it still doesn't fill the CD.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Loaf on June 23, 2010, 04:06:18 AM
38 minutes would happily fit across 2 sides of 180g virgin. Suits me fine. 50-min double LPs are a pain (i'm looking at you, Flying Lotus).


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: DonnaK on June 25, 2010, 08:18:56 AM
36,38,39.......Quality, my friends, is much better than quantity. 

I've loved Gershwin since I was a little girl studying classical piano and have loved Brian, et al since their conception as well. This album will be orgasmic to my ears and soul!!!!


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 25, 2010, 10:07:52 AM
36,38,39.......Quality, my friends, is much better than quantity. 

I've loved Gershwin since I was a little girl studying classical piano and have loved Brian, et al since their conception as well. This album will be orgasmic to my ears and soul!!!!

So now you know folks, next time you go on a date with Donna, forget the wine & roses, just take an iPod with the Gershwin album on repeat.  Guaranteed home run. ;D


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Shady on June 25, 2010, 02:11:01 PM
36,38,39.......Quality, my friends, is much better than quantity. 

I've loved Gershwin since I was a little girl studying classical piano and have loved Brian, et al since their conception as well. This album will be orgasmic to my ears and soul!!!!

So now you know folks, next time you go on a date with Donna, forget the wine & roses, just take an iPod with the Gershwin album on repeat.  Guaranteed home run. ;D

I'm so broke it would be awesome if I could do tht for every date


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Loaf on June 30, 2010, 02:38:46 PM
http://pitchfork.com/news/39318-brian-wilson-announces-george-gershwin-covers-album-details/

Pitchfork seem to think the Rhapsody in Blue intro/outro pieces are acapella?!?!? I had assumed they would be piano pieces...

I don't know where they got their info from, but it would explain why the pieces are shorter than i'd expect the piano pieces to be.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 30, 2010, 02:45:25 PM
http://pitchfork.com/news/39318-brian-wilson-announces-george-gershwin-covers-album-details/

Pitchfork seem to think the Rhapsody in Blue intro/outro pieces are acapella?!?!? I had assumed they would be piano pieces...

I don't know where they got their info from, but it would explain why the pieces are shorter than i'd expect the piano pieces to be.

Check out the mini EPK on the USA Today interview - you can hear a snatch of "Blue".


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: Wirestone on June 30, 2010, 02:57:57 PM
The video has Rhapsody starting out a cappella, but then there are some clarinets/other horns underneath Brian's wall-o-voices toward the end.


Title: Re: Tracklisting for Brian's new album
Post by: absinthe_boy on July 01, 2010, 07:17:22 AM
Quality, not quantity. Just because a CD can hold 80 minutes of music does not mean that it must.

I recall an interview with Brian May about longer Queen songs such as Bohemian Rhapsody....he maintained that a song is "finished whenever it is finished". Some last 2 minutes, others 10+ minutes. Some albums are 30 minutes, some 90. Length does not make an album great.

If the Gershwin record is 35 or so minutes of exciting and above all *good* music then I will consider it money well spent.

As has already been mentioned. Would Pet Sounds be any better if it were 60 minutes long?

I am excited by the track listing. Not familiar with all the music but instantly recognised the selections from Porgy & Bess. Brian's take on those are bound to be different than....for example....Ella Fitzgerald's. I can't wait.