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Title: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 20, 2006, 02:39:16 AM Alan
At long last I have seen both DVD's. Oh boy! What a treat. I never realised that Born to Run bore so many similarities with Pet Sounds. Not in sounds but in meaning for an artist. What to say when you see a man working on a song for 6 months (Born to Run/ Good Vibrations) . The footage of the gig is amazing. Bruce's voice on Jungle Land, listen to the oooooo's at the end. Chilling, sublime, I dunno, music is really the true essence of mankind, a place where we can only be good, godly I would say, were I religious. Whats funny too about it is that Bruce says in the liner notes he had forgotten that the gig had been filmed and was only looking for snippets, and WOW what does he find, the whole thing. I cant imagine how incredible this can be at the personal level. Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: al on February 20, 2006, 06:23:31 AM So glad you got it at last! One of the few occasions where a DVD can actually make your soul soar!
Now if only they could find every other gig he's ever done and release those too.... And that was supposed to be a bad night! The other Hammersmith gig was supposed to be better! Have you heard a live version of New York City Serenade from 1975? If not let me know... If only the world would worship Bruce instead of all these false gods it would be a much better place (though even harder to get tickets than it already is so maybe not....) :D Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 20, 2006, 07:36:12 AM Have you heard a live version of New York City Serenade from 1975? If not let me know... ........worship ..............these false gods ....) :D No I haven't hear it ;) and all these religious qualifiers to add to mine, hmmmm, makes ya wonder. Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 20, 2006, 10:46:02 AM That Hammersmith show was indeed weak compared to the second, if audio evidence serves.
Bruce seems inward, with a chip on his shoulder at that show. Struggling too hard to be taken seriously after encountering record company hype earlier that night. He only really starts to have fun at the Detroit Medley, and there's a somewhat dissastisfied feeling at the close, that they're stopping just as they're getting going. Compare that to the Passaic show in 9/78, where the show is completely emotional, intense and scorching, and FUN, from beginning to 3 hours later finale. Of course, Hammersmith is still great, but I can see why it was a bad memory for Bruce. It's still better than anyone else, but it's far from Bruce at his finest. Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: al on February 20, 2006, 01:32:09 PM Check your pm's. Hopefully it worked this time!
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 20, 2006, 02:15:10 PM Of course, Hammersmith is still great, but I can see why it was a bad memory for Bruce. It's still better than anyone else, but it's far from Bruce at his finest. I agree there is something very serious about Bruce in this film, but I see this as rather spiritual. And since I have never seen him live, well, I can only wait with bated breath. Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 20, 2006, 02:33:13 PM Quote I agree there is something very serious about Bruce in this film, The guy was in a bad mood! Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 20, 2006, 02:36:24 PM OMG, Alan, "maybe we can steal away". Thanks. Great great song.
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 20, 2006, 02:36:55 PM Was that the Main Point version?
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 20, 2006, 02:37:59 PM Quote I agree there is something very serious about Bruce in this film, The guy was in a bad mood! Really? I'ma glad I wasn't around then :-) Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 20, 2006, 02:44:59 PM Did you watch the documentary, Wings For Wheels? That show was where he ripped all the posters off the walls and took flyers off the seats because he was so pissed off about the hype surrounding him.
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 20, 2006, 03:21:25 PM LOL, not I didnt see that but now I will no doubt. On the topic of live performances, does anyone know where I could get the "You're missing" on the piano from Saturday Night Live ?
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 20, 2006, 03:22:15 PM youtube!
I'll try to find the link! Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 20, 2006, 03:24:34 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbEB5oaoOps
;D Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 20, 2006, 03:41:38 PM Classic. Many thanks Ian. Pirouettes galore. What can I say?
Merci du fond du coeur Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 20, 2006, 03:47:34 PM Check out some of the other Springsteen videos there too. Especially the 1978 Prove It All Night and 1979 Quarter To Three. You'll see what I was talking about earlier, comparison-wise.
In fact, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH04FHTgq2E&search=bruce%20springsteen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZZKf5tMXzM&search=bruce%20springsteen Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 20, 2006, 04:17:08 PM CLASSIC Backstreets:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I2ZIuH1i40o&search=bruce%20springsteen Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 20, 2006, 04:24:43 PM One of the classic Bruce moments, Quarter To Three from No Nukes:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=c6HeX059HXY&search=bruce%20springsteen And a great NYC Serenade from 99: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LnSnPlY48Zc&search=bruce%20springsteen Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: al on February 21, 2006, 06:25:54 AM w. o. w.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Big thanks once more! Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 21, 2006, 07:35:14 AM w. o. w. Isnt it incredible? I spent so much time trying to find this goddamm You're missing to no avail, when all I had to do was ask..... again mwuhs to you both :-);D ;D ;D ;D ;D Big thanks once more! Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: al on February 21, 2006, 04:34:27 PM I think that version of NYCS from the Main Point 1975 is my very favourite Bruce track. I used to listen to a crackly old vinyl (in fact, clear vinyl) version in the late 70's on headphones before I went to bed most nights. Still sends shivers up my spine. Never knew till fairly recently it was even from that show, which I had on vinyl but it cut off before it got to that song. He also does a version of Dylan's I Want You on that which is weird and wonderful.
Glad you like it! Love the recent version as well - he should do it more often! Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 22, 2006, 01:49:27 AM Seeing him playing You'reMissing on the piano and that encor on the DVD, makes me really feel like hearing a Bruce version of L & M.
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 22, 2006, 08:13:23 AM So does one know when Bruce is touring next? I'll travel for this.
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 23, 2006, 06:49:56 AM The last 2 days I have been plagued by the idea of this post. I have been listening intensely to the song "Born to Run" and have made up a story in my head that it is musically inspired by the uptempo songs of Pet Sounds amongst otehr influences.
By this I mean that usually, people refer to Brian's influence in the harmony structures. Obviouslynot so in the case of Born to Run. But compositionally, it is, and maybe it is a well know fact. I havent got the foggiest, but. Take Wouldn't it be Nice, That's not me, I'm Waiting for the Day, Sloop John B, I know there's an answer. Pet Sounds, its all in the use of the drums and horns. Clarence's sax is very like the bass harmonica use throughout Pet Sounds, the bells, even the use of the bass at times. Uncanny, but there you go. of course what got me thinking was the fact that after all Bruce tokk 6 months to wrtie this song, the time it took Brian to do GV. Watching this DVD is so revealing about the idiosyncratic interpretation Bruce gives to rock & roll. I even hear so much influence of Irish music in this album. Listen to "She's the One", can you not see the Irish dancing that can be done on that, all dictated by the piano rythm, supported by the drums later on in the song? No to mention the huge Van Morrisson feel. Flame away! Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: Evenreven on February 23, 2006, 07:25:13 AM No flaming here! Great post!
I sense some Pet Sounds in Born To Run too. That may just be that both Brian and Bruce were - obviously - heavily into Spector, and they interpreted the wall of sound in their own unique ways. One more thing that they have in common, is the project feel, so to speak. Brian wanted to make a record of "all good stuff" that made a cohesive whole, and that was certainly also Bruce's intention. "Born To Run" the song is the Good Vibrations of the Born To Run album, but whereas Brian found out that GV didn't fit, Bruce found that BTR would work in an album- and single context. And it did. Sorry for the unstructured response. I'm thinking aloud here. Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 23, 2006, 07:37:34 AM and thanks for elaborating, I've been thinking aloud on this too, and only too glad I am not dreaming, you know its kind of reassuring. I am really interested in finding out Brian's legacy in other forms than the straight harmony lines. Peter Whitfield wrote a great article about Jellyfish and Brian Wilson on the Blueboard the other day. I tried to convince him to post it here, but failed :(
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: al on February 23, 2006, 11:52:10 AM She's The One is the easiest influence to spot - its the Bo Diddly beat. I know what you mean about Irish dancing cos we Brits (- in its larger sense) do share a common feel for the diddly-diddly music - but not the Bo Diddly! Thats african (as Bruce himself says on a boot somewhere that I've almost forgotten about - anyone know which one?).
I've never thought Bruce was overly influenced by the Beach Boys other than in a general growing up way, he's only done the odd cover live (When I grow up..) whereas his influences normally show - Spector was the big one, and as he always says, Roy Orbison and Bob Dylan. WIth a fair dose of West Side Story and Robert Mitchum. Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 23, 2006, 02:00:10 PM The last 2 days I have been plagued by the idea of this post. I have been listening intensely to the song "Born to Run" and have made up a story in my head that it is musically inspired by the uptempo songs of Pet Sounds amongst otehr influences. By this I mean that usually, people refer to Brian's influence in the harmony structures. Obviouslynot so in the case of Born to Run. But compositionally, it is, and maybe it is a well know fact. I havent got the foggiest, but. Take Wouldn't it be Nice, That's not me, I'm Waiting for the Day, Sloop John B, I know there's an answer. Pet Sounds, its all in the use of the drums and horns. Clarence's sax is very like the bass harmonica use throughout Pet Sounds, the bells, even the use of the bass at times. Uncanny, but there you go. of course what got me thinking was the fact that after all Bruce tokk 6 months to wrtie this song, the time it took Brian to do GV. Watching this DVD is so revealing about the idiosyncratic interpretation Bruce gives to rock & roll. I even hear so much influence of Irish music in this album. Listen to "She's the One", can you not see the Irish dancing that can be done on that, all dictated by the piano rythm, supported by the drums later on in the song? No to mention the huge Van Morrisson feel. Flame away! COOL! I don't really hear a BB influence, it seems Spector AND the Raspberries are the big influences, Bruce was a big 'Berries fan, he even nicks the drum intro from I Wanna Be With You for it. But I love your thoughts. Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: Chris D. on February 23, 2006, 04:12:44 PM (http://www.madison.com/images/articles/tct/2004/10/15/5551_thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: I. Spaceman on February 23, 2006, 11:19:03 PM BASTARD!
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: Chris D. on February 24, 2006, 09:24:25 AM BASTARD! Just had to throw in my two cents. Back to your studies :) Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 24, 2006, 04:23:21 PM Chris, this picture doesn't please me either. I am not amused.
Oh wait..... I read somewhere that even post rockers have sense of humour. Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: Chris D. on February 24, 2006, 04:27:28 PM Chris, this picture doesn't please me either. I am not amused. Oh wait..... I read somewhere that even post rockers have sense of humour. I knew there was a reason for your Colin Mochrie bumper stickers. Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 24, 2006, 04:34:44 PM Chris, this picture doesn't please me either. I am not amused. Oh wait..... I read somewhere that even post rockers have sense of humour. I knew there was a reason for your Colin Mochrie bumper stickers. And tell me now, how on Earth am I s'posed to know what these are? I guesseu I weel haveu too googeul eeet. Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: Chris D. on February 24, 2006, 04:36:23 PM Chris, this picture doesn't please me either. I am not amused. Oh wait..... I read somewhere that even post rockers have sense of humour. I knew there was a reason for your Colin Mochrie bumper stickers. And tell me now, how on Earth am I s'posed to know what these are? I guesseu I weel haveu too googeul eeet. We're the new thread killers, aren't we? Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: zelilgirlI1cenu on February 24, 2006, 04:38:51 PM WOW, great name for a band! The thread Killers, reminds me of my one and only contribution to punk rock. "Dead Fridge in the Road", I used to jump from a table into these gigantic waders... ah them were de days.
Title: Re: Loose Windscreen and Alan Brightmore Post by: Chris D. on February 24, 2006, 04:39:49 PM WOW, great name for a band! The thread Killers, reminds me of my one and only contribution to punk rock. "Dead Fridge in the Road", I used to jump from a table into these gigantic waders... ah them were de days. I think I contributed something to new jack swing. |