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Title: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on January 24, 2010, 02:08:32 PM
OK, so after looking at the "Tours & Sessions" section of AGDs site, I'm gonna ask if there is any info on the following BW songs:

"Spark in the Dark" pretty much around 11 minutes of a "pounding organ jam" with "jagged synth lines"; part of it contains the melody to "Chain Reaction of Love"

"Funky Fever" supposedly a collaboration between Brian with David Sandler; recorded at Bolic Sound; musicians include guitarist Al Vescovo and drummer Edward Greene

"Rooftop Harry" only an instrumental track;  was discordant with vibes and horns playing abrasively against each other; described as "schizophrenia on tape"; Michael Clarke (of The Byrds) apparently plays drums on this; Bruce Johnston also at the session

"Gimme Some Lovin'" recorded in April 1972; musicians listed as Brian Wilson, Tommy Morgan, and David Sandler; supposedly a medley with "Baby I Need Your Lovin'"; Sandler says it's the best thing they did together

"Pattycake" supposedly written about a gorilla at the zoo; I'm doubting this was ever recorded in any way

"Brian's Jam" recorded early 1974 at Brother; it's basically the "Shortenin' Bread"/"Proud Mary" riff (according to Alan Boyd), with Dennis, Carl and a couple others from The Beach Boys band at the time

"Just an Imitation" apparently written in tribute to Murry in 1974; most likely no recording exists

"Lucy Jones" written by Brian with Steve Kalinich; Kalinich handles most of the lead vocals; recorded at same session as the 1974 "California Feelin'" demo

"You're Riding High on the Music" recorded around the same time as "Lucy Jones"? Any info?

Sorry if this is stuff that is really old to people....I just thought it'd be cool to have it all in one thread. Maybe I can even update this top post with the info we find. I dunno...we'll see.

EDIT: I figured I'd update this with any pertinent info!


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jason on January 24, 2010, 02:23:23 PM
There's a documented session for Spark In The Dark, presumably the tape exists. I believe Chain Reaction of Love took its chorus or bridge section from this song, forget which.

Funky Fever was one of a few titles Brian and David worked on in 1971-72. They presumably still exist. Ditto to the Baby I Need Your Loving track.

Rooftop Harry is one of those famous titles. I don't know if it exists on tape.

Pattycake and Just An Imitation were never recorded - the latter was a sort of tribute to Murry.

You're Riding High On The Music and Lucy Jones still exist and have been heard by a few. They're the first known instances of Brian's "new" voice.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Mr. Cohen on January 24, 2010, 02:27:10 PM
I also remember hearing about "Burlesque", a song that was in the "Marcella"/"You Need A Mess of Help" style that, according to Jack Rieley, was a good song that really summed up Brian's character at that time. Unfortunately, the group thought that it was too lewd for the BBs to release.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on January 24, 2010, 02:44:28 PM
Ah, yes I remember hearing about "Burlesque" too....its funny that the BB's would refuse a song of Brian's during a time where it seemed like they would be happy to release any scrap that he would give them.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 24, 2010, 02:57:48 PM
"Just An Imitation" is real, and reportedly very good, as in Pet Sounds good.

"Rooftop Harry" also exists, on tape. Bruce was at the session.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: the captain on January 24, 2010, 03:02:54 PM
"Just An Imitation" is real, and reportedly very good, as in Pet Sounds good.
According to whom? I ask because unless I'm mistaken, David Leaf in his book gives pretty high praise for some early-to-mid 70s then-unreleased tracks that have since circulated which fail to live up to their billing. While I'm in no position to say the reports aren't true, it seems pretty unlikely to me ... we get Rainbow Eyes and Spirit of Rock n Roll, but not a Pet Sounds quality gem?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 24, 2010, 03:14:53 PM
"Just An Imitation" is real, and reportedly very good, as in Pet Sounds good.
According to whom? I ask because unless I'm mistaken, David Leaf in his book gives pretty high praise for some early-to-mid 70s then-unreleased tracks that have since circulated which fail to live up to their billing. While I'm in no position to say the reports aren't true, it seems pretty unlikely to me ... we get Rainbow Eyes and Spirit of Rock n Roll, but not a Pet Sounds quality gem?

According to a someone who heard Brian play it, and whose initials were not DL.  ;D


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on January 24, 2010, 03:23:17 PM
So Andrew, you're positive that "Just an Imitation" actually got recorded? If so, why haven't they considered ever releasing it on ANYTHING through the years.

I wish we could have "Just An Imitation", the Brian "California Feeling" demo,  "Where Is She", and the 1967 "Surf's Up" (if it exists)....then I think I, as a Beach Boys fan, would finally be somewhat content.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: hypehat on January 24, 2010, 05:56:10 PM
I suppose this is the thread to ask....is the song 'Is Jack Reilly really Superman?' anything more than a bonkers session title?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Chris Brown on January 24, 2010, 06:35:24 PM
So Andrew, you're positive that "Just an Imitation" actually got recorded? If so, why haven't they considered ever releasing it on ANYTHING through the years.


I don't think (and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong AGD) that Andrew was implying that the song was recorded, only that Brian sat at the piano and played it for someone.  Of course, it may have been recorded at some point and then erased, as Brian apparently had a tendency to do during this period.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jay on January 24, 2010, 07:17:38 PM
I hope I don't offend anybody by saying this, but I've never understood how somebody like Steven Desper, or any "insider", could/would willingly go along with erasing a recording. I mean, this is brian wilson. You would think at least one safety copy would have been made. I know, it's probably an ethical thing. I myself would have to make myself a copy, just for private listening.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 24, 2010, 09:44:33 PM
I hope I don't offend anybody by saying this, but I've never understood how somebody like Steven Desper, or any "insider", could/would willingly go along with erasing a recording. I mean, this is brian wilson. You would think at least one safety copy would have been made. I know, it's probably an ethical thing. I myself would have to make myself a copy, just for private listening.

Sometimes, there just isn't time - f'rinstance, Steve told me that when Brian wanted to record a new vocal, with revised lyrics, for "'Til I Die", he wanted to do it NOW, and as there wasn't time to make a copy, the new vocal was recorded over the original one.

Also, Steve was an employee, Brian his boss.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jay on January 24, 2010, 10:53:04 PM
You're Riding High On The Music and Lucy Jones still exist and have been heard by a few. They're the first known instances of Brian's "new" voice.
I would quite possibly blow another man to hear those recordings.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: MBE on January 24, 2010, 11:01:16 PM
I thought the half and half vocals from the 1975 In The Back Of My Mind were the first real change? I don't know as I haven't heard any of this stuff.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 24, 2010, 11:14:35 PM
A LONG time ago, back when I was  a relative neophyte, I heard this long, droning piece, mainly instrumental, a lot of organ, but with a little bit of Brian's speaking. "This is...this...okay here's the change". I have no freaking idea what it was, but the timbre of Brian's speaking made it sound like 1972-1973, roughly. It *may* be one of those tracks, or it may not.

Mike, I'm about 99% certain that Lucy Jones was the first of the "new" Brian, although technically his part in "He Came Down" would qualify (although he sounded more "normal" on a few songs afterwards").


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: rogerlancelot on January 25, 2010, 12:24:26 AM
You're Riding High On The Music and Lucy Jones still exist and have been heard by a few. They're the first known instances of Brian's "new" voice.
I would quite possibly blow another man to hear those recordings.

WTF? and LOL!


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: adamghost on January 25, 2010, 12:33:45 AM
A LONG time ago, back when I was  a relative neophyte, I heard this long, droning piece, mainly instrumental, a lot of organ, but with a little bit of Brian's speaking. "This is...this...okay here's the change". I have no freaking idea what it was, but the timbre of Brian's speaking made it sound like 1972-1973, roughly. It *may* be one of those tracks, or it may not.

Mike, I'm about 99% certain that Lucy Jones was the first of the "new" Brian, although technically his part in "He Came Down" would qualify (although he sounded more "normal" on a few songs afterwards").

So is the consensus now that it was Brian on "He Came Down"?  I think I was the one that may have first pointed it out on the vocal credits thread, but I didn't get the sense that we'd conclusively nailed down it was him (though I personally think it must have been).


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: MBE on January 25, 2010, 12:50:21 AM
Sweet Mountain is interesting because Brian does both high and low parts. He's less raspy on the low then later, but it's sort of a preview.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: runnersdialzero on January 25, 2010, 01:48:23 AM
I'm not sure how that could be Brian on "He Come Down". Which section, specifically? I'm sure he's on it, but if we're talking about the 2nd "I believe it," part then I would imagine it's someone else.

He sounds just the same as he always did on later tracks like "California", the early "Ding Dang", "Magic Transistor Radio", "Funky Pretty", etc. so it would be totally weird if he sounded closer to his 76 self on an earlier track.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: MBE on January 25, 2010, 01:52:44 AM
He's doing the bass humming during the real fast section. Again it seems a little less coarse then say something from 1976 but the same tone.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 25, 2010, 02:01:42 AM
Yep, the "Eeeh eeh" part that repeats (the low part).


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2010, 06:26:19 PM
You're Riding High On The Music and Lucy Jones still exist and have been heard by a few. They're the first known instances of Brian's "new" voice.
I would quite possibly blow another man to hear those recordings.

WTF? and LOL!
Let me rephrase: blow A man, not another man.  :p


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jason on January 27, 2010, 06:52:12 PM
I would quite possibly blow another man to hear those recordings.

Well, that certainly puts my mind at ease. Thank God I don't own copies of them.

However, please do something about your urges to blow dudes to hear unbooted recordings. It's just not natural. I would suggest Ritalin. Unless of course someone was willing to acquiesce to such a request...


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on January 27, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
I would quite possibly blow another man to hear those recordings.

Well, that certainly puts my mind at ease. Thank God I don't own copies of them.

Say "hello" to my little friend... :o


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2010, 06:57:13 PM
little


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jason on January 27, 2010, 06:59:01 PM
This just became the most LOL-tastic thread on the board.



Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jay on January 27, 2010, 07:00:01 PM
 :lol


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: MBE on January 27, 2010, 09:09:26 PM
Just keep away from my crotch if I find a rare tape!


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 27, 2010, 10:39:41 PM
Maybe Dick Reising can help...


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: C.Miller on January 28, 2010, 02:01:33 AM
Oh lord, I wanna work towards getting to hear some of these, and this is what we get? Not too promising...


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Yorick on January 28, 2010, 08:27:18 AM
How is it possible that Where Is She is still unreleased?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: runnersdialzero on January 28, 2010, 08:32:03 AM
Oh lord, I wanna work towards getting to hear some of these, and this is what we get? Not too promising...

If you wants to work for it, then have I got a job for you!


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jason on January 28, 2010, 08:51:58 AM
I guess at this rate people are gonna have to pucker up and start licking their chops...


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Alex on January 28, 2010, 10:29:18 AM
and the 1967 "Surf's Up" (if it exists)....

Wasn't that already released on the box set way back in '93?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: runnersdialzero on January 28, 2010, 10:33:32 AM
and the 1967 "Surf's Up" (if it exists)....

Wasn't that already released on the box set way back in '93?

He may be talking about the supposed recording of the 2nd section.

Also - holy sh*t, it's sweetdudejim.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on January 28, 2010, 05:33:37 PM
Yes, sweetdudejim from the A6 boards is what I'm assuming you're talking about, as I also remember you from that board, as unfortunately, we are both still hoping one day for a good album from Rivers and co. Hopefully Pinkerton DE and Odds and Ends will be worth it though.

And yes, I was referring to a possible "Surf's Up" version that was finished in 1967 with both "sections".....

And also anybody have any info on the rest of these songs, like if "Just An Imitation" was ever recorded, even as a demo? And I know somebody said "Lucy Jones" was an example of the "new" Brian voice, but I'm pretty sure this was still pre-voice change.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jay on January 28, 2010, 06:33:49 PM
I guess at this rate people are gonna have to pucker up and start licking their chops...
I'm foaming at the mouth.















































































































































Um....what?  :o


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 28, 2010, 09:47:32 PM
And also anybody have any info on the rest of these songs, like if "Just An Imitation" was ever recorded, even as a demo? And I know somebody said "Lucy Jones" was an example of the "new" Brian voice, but I'm pretty sure this was still pre-voice change.

As far as I know, "Imitation" was never recorded, even as a home demo. However, I have heard "Lucy Jones", and it's primo 'shouty' Brian.  ;D


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: MBE on January 28, 2010, 10:28:56 PM
And also anybody have any info on the rest of these songs, like if "Just An Imitation" was ever recorded, even as a demo? And I know somebody said "Lucy Jones" was an example of the "new" Brian voice, but I'm pretty sure this was still pre-voice change.

As far as I know, "Imitation" was never recorded, even as a home demo. However, I have heard "Lucy Jones", and it's primo 'shouty' Brian.  ;D
ie Back Home and Drip Drop or is his voice less hoarse.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: runnersdialzero on January 29, 2010, 12:45:20 AM

As far as I know, "Imitation" was never recorded, even as a home demo.

Argh, this sort of thing really saddens me. I doubt Brian remembers it. Lyrics, sheet music, does anything exist of songs like this?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on January 29, 2010, 06:24:07 AM
And also anybody have any info on the rest of these songs, like if "Just An Imitation" was ever recorded, even as a demo? And I know somebody said "Lucy Jones" was an example of the "new" Brian voice, but I'm pretty sure this was still pre-voice change.

As far as I know, "Imitation" was never recorded, even as a home demo. However, I have heard "Lucy Jones", and it's primo 'shouty' Brian.  ;D
ie Back Home and Drip Drop or is his voice less hoarse.

Well I'm not AGD, but my guess is that since it was recorded around the same time as the "California Feelin" demo I'd guess his vocals are still more clean, so maybe he means shouty like "You're So Good To Me"? I don't know, just a guess.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jay on January 29, 2010, 07:43:00 PM

As far as I know, "Imitation" was never recorded, even as a home demo.

Argh, this sort of thing really saddens me. I doubt Brian remembers it. Lyrics, sheet music, does anything exist of songs like this?
This is perhaps the most cruel and sad adpect of the whole Landy saga.  Big chunks of Brian's memory have been virtually erased. I'd bet a good amount of money that Brian has no clue about "Lucy Jones" or "Just An Imitation". Even with alot of prompting from people that heard it, I doubt that Brian would have much, if any, memory of the songs.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on May 17, 2012, 02:12:18 PM
I wonder if anybody knows exactly how far along "Rooftop Harry", "Funky Fever", and "Burlesque" were, and if there is any chance we might hear any of them this year. Maybe who wrote them, who was the lead vocalist, what year they were done, etc.

Also, any news on whether "Just an Imitation" or "Pattycake" were ever found on tape at all.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Mr. Cohen on May 17, 2012, 02:23:44 PM
Bruce Johnston is the one that claims to  have heard "Just an Imitation". I don't know why there is a need to secretive or coy about this.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 17, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
Damn...I remember this thread!


Well, we obviously now know there WAS a 1967 Surf's Up, only it wasn't what we thought :D

Oh, and Lucy Jones is sung by Stephen Kalinich.

And that song I was referring to on page one was the THIRD  (technically first recorded, but most recently 'distributed') version of Out in the Country.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: b00ts on May 17, 2012, 04:04:46 PM
You're Riding High On The Music and Lucy Jones still exist and have been heard by a few. They're the first known instances of Brian's "new" voice.
I would quite possibly blow another man to hear those recordings.
Perhaps the reason they didn't use these recordings on anything is because they typically focus on group productions, with some exceptions ("It's Over Now" and "Still I Dream of It" on the '93 box set).

Which begs the questions, why are there no Brian Wilson compilations of demos, odds and sods? Is it just not profitable enough nowadays to release records?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: runnersdialzero on May 17, 2012, 04:17:08 PM

Which begs the questions, why are there no Brian Wilson compilations of demos, odds and sods? Is it just not profitable enough nowadays to release records?

Apparently not, given that I think the Hawthorne compilation (or the Endless Harmony soundtrack, I forget which) was deleted from the catalog. :(


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jay on May 17, 2012, 07:09:56 PM
Damn...I remember this thread!


Well, we obviously now know there WAS a 1967 Surf's Up, only it wasn't what we thought :D

Oh, and Lucy Jones is sung by Stephen Kalinich.

And that song I was referring to on page one was the THIRD  (technically first recorded, but most recently 'distributed') version of Out in the Country.
Ugh...some of the stuff I posted back then is embarrassing. lol By the way, is it just me, or is Out In The Country creepy as hell?  ;D


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: endofposts on May 17, 2012, 07:18:25 PM
There are very few rare tracks of the Beach Boys that have gotten out that are worth hearing.  I once traded for the "Get the Boot" set which has a lot of rare tracks, and it was almost all bad.  I no longer have it, but I don't miss it.  I suspect many if not most of the songs discussed here aren't very good.  I really have doubts about Brian Wilson's ability to make a great song about a gorilla in Central Park Zoo. 


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on May 17, 2012, 08:15:55 PM
I actually was talking to David Sandler and he told me that he didn't know anything about "Rooftop Harry", but that he wrote "Funky Fever" and it was recorded at Ike Turner's studio but that he didn't remember much of it.

He also said that "Baby I Need Your Lovin'"/"Gimme Some Lovin'" is one of the best tracks that he recorded with Brian, and that it was recorded at the home studio. Since that one has gotten some attention over the years, maybe we'll hear that one.

However, I'm assuming "Rooftop Harry" probably never got very far, and "Funky Fever" may not have even been co-written by Brian, so them getting a proper release are doubtful.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Bedroom Tapes on May 18, 2012, 12:40:12 PM

Which begs the questions, why are there no Brian Wilson compilations of demos, odds and sods? Is it just not profitable enough nowadays to release records?

Apparently not, given that I think the Hawthorne compilation (or the Endless Harmony soundtrack, I forget which) was deleted from the catalog. :(

Uh both are still pretty widely available.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on May 20, 2012, 12:18:00 AM
Damn...I remember this thread!


Well, we obviously now know there WAS a 1967 Surf's Up, only it wasn't what we thought :D

Oh, and Lucy Jones is sung by Stephen Kalinich.

And that song I was referring to on page one was the THIRD  (technically first recorded, but most recently 'distributed') version of Out in the Country.
Ugh...some of the stuff I posted back then is embarrassing. lol By the way, is it just me, or is Out In The Country creepy as hell?  ;D

I love the organ on it, but i can see why it never made it onto an album as the fade is just the Cool Cool Water chant but sung slowly.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: runnersdialzero on May 20, 2012, 01:59:44 AM

Which begs the questions, why are there no Brian Wilson compilations of demos, odds and sods? Is it just not profitable enough nowadays to release records?

Apparently not, given that I think the Hawthorne compilation (or the Endless Harmony soundtrack, I forget which) was deleted from the catalog. :(

Uh both are still pretty widely available.

That'd be why Hawthorne is selling for $51.48 new on Amazon? Pretty sure it's out of print and was said to be taken out of print for money reasons.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on May 20, 2012, 09:54:01 PM

Which begs the questions, why are there no Brian Wilson compilations of demos, odds and sods? Is it just not profitable enough nowadays to release records?

Apparently not, given that I think the Hawthorne compilation (or the Endless Harmony soundtrack, I forget which) was deleted from the catalog. :(

Uh both are still pretty widely available.

That'd be why Hawthorne is selling for $51.48 new on Amazon? Pretty sure it's out of print and was said to be taken out of print for money reasons.

Whatchu mean, runners? Money reasons? I never heard this. Explain...


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 20, 2012, 10:07:57 PM
I think the fact it didn't sell well.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on May 20, 2012, 10:29:39 PM
Well, yeah...understood. I may have behooved them to put more actual unreleased songs on the album, as opposed to instrumentals and stereo remixes and other stuff. I don't know what they expected was going to happen. There isn't that much of a crowd out there that is going to buy just for a few random curiosities. Besides me, of course :)


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: MBE on May 20, 2012, 10:46:31 PM
Yeah I think remixes should be on seperate albums. It should have just collected alt takes and unreleased titles.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: runnersdialzero on May 24, 2012, 10:27:50 AM

Which begs the questions, why are there no Brian Wilson compilations of demos, odds and sods? Is it just not profitable enough nowadays to release records?

Apparently not, given that I think the Hawthorne compilation (or the Endless Harmony soundtrack, I forget which) was deleted from the catalog. :(

Uh both are still pretty widely available.

That'd be why Hawthorne is selling for $51.48 new on Amazon? Pretty sure it's out of print and was said to be taken out of print for money reasons.

Aha! Confirmation - check it out:


EMI has deleted Hawthorne along with several other BB's titles due to poor sales and the overall demise of the CD........... get em while you can


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Les P on May 24, 2012, 10:33:23 AM

Aha! Confirmation - check it out:


EMI has deleted Hawthorne along with several other BB's titles due to poor sales and the overall demise of the CD........... get em while you can

This does not bode well for additional rarities collections or expanded reissues of albums.  If only there were something called Beach Boys Central where this stuff could be sold online...


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: The Shift on February 09, 2014, 01:09:17 PM
Bump


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: KittyKat on February 09, 2014, 01:12:02 PM
2012 must have been a very good year for threads. They keep bringing them up from the cellar lately.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: The Shift on February 09, 2014, 02:33:43 PM
This one won the poll for Smilers to vote for their favourite 2012 thread that wasn't a polling thread.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on February 09, 2014, 09:22:05 PM
Oh, I started this thread in 2010! Wow.

Anyways, seems like we haven't learned much since then about this stuff. However, according to the recent Chidester article, "Rooftop Harry" sounds like "schizophrenia on tape" or something, and there's also a small article online about the recording of the song, which apparently included Michael Clarke, former member of The Byrds. Still no word on whether it has a lead vocal though.

I'm beginning to think "Funky Fever" possibly isn't (co-)written by Brian, since I mentioned earlier in the thread that David Sandler says he wrote it and recorded at Ike Turner's studio. Who knows though. Maybe it was a Wilson/Sandler co-write. Anybody got any info on this? AGD? Aeijtzsche?

The medley of "Gimme Some Lovin'" and "Baby I Need Your Lovin'" was definitely recorded too, but who knows if that exists on tape still. David Sandler did say it was probably the best thing he and Brian did together though. It's quite possible that it doesn't have a lead vocal though. Maybe it does though, who knows?

"Lucy Jones" was apparently in contention for Made In California, but if descriptions are correct, I can probably understand why it didn't make it. Supposedly Steve Kalinich sings most of it. I'm not sure how much Brian is vocally featured on that one. And "You're Riding High on the Music", well I've never really heard much about that at all. I'm pretty sure it's from the same session as "California Feelin'" and "Lucy Jones" as it is also a Wilson/Kalinich composition, but who knows? Anyways, to anyone who knows, is "You're Riding High..." on tape?

And lastly, I'd be surprised to learn that stuff like "Pattycake" actually exist on tape. Along with "Just an Imitation". Although, who knows?

I wish we could have "Just An Imitation", the Brian "California Feeling" demo,  "Where Is She", and the 1967 "Surf's Up" (if it exists)....then I think I, as a Beach Boys fan, would finally be somewhat content.

Funny that I wrote this. Because now that Brian's "California Feelin'" demo and "Where Is She?" are now released, along with "Surf's Up 1967" (although not the 1967 version of "Surf's Up" that I imagined), it seems that I should almost be contented as a Beach Boys fan. Because the only thing left on my list is "Just an Imitation" which I'm not sure even exists in a recorded version.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: The Shift on February 10, 2014, 02:53:52 AM
Many thanks for that Sweetdudejim, appreciate the update and overview.

I'm looking forward to the next part of the LA Weekly saga and to learning how much more of this material there is that we haven't already heard or heard of.  Find it hard to believe here can be much more than listed at Andrew's site but this is Planet Beach Boys and I'm prepared for anything!


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: c-man on February 10, 2014, 03:33:04 AM
<<I actually was talking to David Sandler and he told me that he didn't know anything about "Rooftop Harry", but that he wrote "Funky Fever" and it was recorded at Ike Turner's studio but that he didn't remember much of it.>> 
<<I'm beginning to think "Funky Fever" possibly isn't (co-)written by Brian, since I mentioned earlier in the thread that David Sandler says he wrote it and recorded at Ike Turner's studio. Who knows though. Maybe it was a Wilson/Sandler co-write. Anybody got any info on this? AGD? Aeijtzsche?>>

There is an AFM sheet for "Funky Fever" which dates the session to February 28, 1972. The listed location is "Bolec" (aka Bolic Sound, Ike Turner's studio in Inglewood). Brian's name is listed among the musicians (along with David Sandler and others), so I would imagine that he actually WAS there. But, as you say..."who knows". :)



Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on February 10, 2014, 06:32:55 AM
<<I actually was talking to David Sandler and he told me that he didn't know anything about "Rooftop Harry", but that he wrote "Funky Fever" and it was recorded at Ike Turner's studio but that he didn't remember much of it.>> 
<<I'm beginning to think "Funky Fever" possibly isn't (co-)written by Brian, since I mentioned earlier in the thread that David Sandler says he wrote it and recorded at Ike Turner's studio. Who knows though. Maybe it was a Wilson/Sandler co-write. Anybody got any info on this? AGD? Aeijtzsche?>>

There is an AFM sheet for "Funky Fever" which dates the session to February 28, 1972. The listed location is "Bolec" (aka Bolic Sound, Ike Turner's studio in Inglewood). Brian's name is listed among the musicians (along with David Sandler and others), so I would imagine that he actually WAS there. But, as you say..."who knows". :)



Ah, very interesting c-man. If you don't mind answering, could you say who the "artist" is listed as? Is it "Brian Wilson", "Brian Wilson and David Sandler" or "The Beach Boys"?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: c-man on February 11, 2014, 03:52:07 AM
<<I actually was talking to David Sandler and he told me that he didn't know anything about "Rooftop Harry", but that he wrote "Funky Fever" and it was recorded at Ike Turner's studio but that he didn't remember much of it.>> 
<<I'm beginning to think "Funky Fever" possibly isn't (co-)written by Brian, since I mentioned earlier in the thread that David Sandler says he wrote it and recorded at Ike Turner's studio. Who knows though. Maybe it was a Wilson/Sandler co-write. Anybody got any info on this? AGD? Aeijtzsche?>>

There is an AFM sheet for "Funky Fever" which dates the session to February 28, 1972. The listed location is "Bolec" (aka Bolic Sound, Ike Turner's studio in Inglewood). Brian's name is listed among the musicians (along with David Sandler and others), so I would imagine that he actually WAS there. But, as you say..."who knows". :)



Ah, very interesting c-man. If you don't mind answering, could you say who the "artist" is listed as? Is it "Brian Wilson", "Brian Wilson and David Sandler" or "The Beach Boys"?

"Beachboys", same as the other early '72 contracts. Other musicians include guitarist Al Vescovo and drummer Edward Greene, whose name I recognize from one of the cuts on Steely Dan's "Aja" album, released five years later.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on February 11, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
<<I actually was talking to David Sandler and he told me that he didn't know anything about "Rooftop Harry", but that he wrote "Funky Fever" and it was recorded at Ike Turner's studio but that he didn't remember much of it.>> 
<<I'm beginning to think "Funky Fever" possibly isn't (co-)written by Brian, since I mentioned earlier in the thread that David Sandler says he wrote it and recorded at Ike Turner's studio. Who knows though. Maybe it was a Wilson/Sandler co-write. Anybody got any info on this? AGD? Aeijtzsche?>>

There is an AFM sheet for "Funky Fever" which dates the session to February 28, 1972. The listed location is "Bolec" (aka Bolic Sound, Ike Turner's studio in Inglewood). Brian's name is listed among the musicians (along with David Sandler and others), so I would imagine that he actually WAS there. But, as you say..."who knows". :)



Ah, very interesting c-man. If you don't mind answering, could you say who the "artist" is listed as? Is it "Brian Wilson", "Brian Wilson and David Sandler" or "The Beach Boys"?

"Beachboys", same as the other early '72 contracts. Other musicians include guitarist Al Vescovo and drummer Edward Greene, whose name I recognize from one of the cuts on Steely Dan's "Aja" album, released five years later.

C-man, if you don't mind, does that mean "Rooftop Harry" also listed as a "Beachboys" session?

And lastly, is there any paperwork for the medley of "Gimme Some Lovin'" and "Baby I Need Your Lovin'"?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: clack on February 11, 2014, 04:55:37 PM
<<I actually was talking to David Sandler and he told me that he didn't know anything about "Rooftop Harry", but that he wrote "Funky Fever" and it was recorded at Ike Turner's studio but that he didn't remember much of it.>> 
<<I'm beginning to think "Funky Fever" possibly isn't (co-)written by Brian, since I mentioned earlier in the thread that David Sandler says he wrote it and recorded at Ike Turner's studio. Who knows though. Maybe it was a Wilson/Sandler co-write. Anybody got any info on this? AGD? Aeijtzsche?>>

There is an AFM sheet for "Funky Fever" which dates the session to February 28, 1972. The listed location is "Bolec" (aka Bolic Sound, Ike Turner's studio in Inglewood). Brian's name is listed among the musicians (along with David Sandler and others), so I would imagine that he actually WAS there. But, as you say..."who knows". :)



Ah, very interesting c-man. If you don't mind answering, could you say who the "artist" is listed as? Is it "Brian Wilson", "Brian Wilson and David Sandler" or "The Beach Boys"?

"Beachboys", same as the other early '72 contracts. Other musicians include guitarist Al Vescovo and drummer Edward Greene, whose name I recognize from one of the cuts on Steely Dan's "Aja" album, released five years later.
Yeah, that's Ed Greene, Barry White's main drummer, a top laid-back funk groove guy. Not the 1st drummer who would come to mind for a Brian session...


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: c-man on February 15, 2014, 04:56:24 AM
<<I actually was talking to David Sandler and he told me that he didn't know anything about "Rooftop Harry", but that he wrote "Funky Fever" and it was recorded at Ike Turner's studio but that he didn't remember much of it.>> 
<<I'm beginning to think "Funky Fever" possibly isn't (co-)written by Brian, since I mentioned earlier in the thread that David Sandler says he wrote it and recorded at Ike Turner's studio. Who knows though. Maybe it was a Wilson/Sandler co-write. Anybody got any info on this? AGD? Aeijtzsche?>>

There is an AFM sheet for "Funky Fever" which dates the session to February 28, 1972. The listed location is "Bolec" (aka Bolic Sound, Ike Turner's studio in Inglewood). Brian's name is listed among the musicians (along with David Sandler and others), so I would imagine that he actually WAS there. But, as you say..."who knows". :)



Ah, very interesting c-man. If you don't mind answering, could you say who the "artist" is listed as? Is it "Brian Wilson", "Brian Wilson and David Sandler" or "The Beach Boys"?

"Beachboys", same as the other early '72 contracts. Other musicians include guitarist Al Vescovo and drummer Edward Greene, whose name I recognize from one of the cuts on Steely Dan's "Aja" album, released five years later.

C-man, if you don't mind, does that mean "Rooftop Harry" also listed as a "Beachboys" session?

And lastly, is there any paperwork for the medley of "Gimme Some Lovin'" and "Baby I Need Your Lovin'"?

No AFM documentation apparently exists for "Rooftop Harry", so I can't say. There's a contract for "Gimme, gimme, good lovin" (sic) dated April 4, 1972. The "Name of Artist or Group" line on that one is left blank, but "Brian Wilson" is listed as the session leader and "Brother Records" is listed as the employer. three musicians are listed on that one: Brian Wilson, Tommy Morgan, and David Sandler.

Interestingly, there are a handful of AFM contracts for untitled songs dating from the "Sunflower" era (late '69 and early '70) recorded at "BeachBoys Studio" (aka Brian's Bellagio house), where the employer is "Brian Wilson Productions" rather than "Brother Records". These sessions appear to be separate from known Beach Boys sessions of the same time (like "When Girls Get Together", "Raspberries, Strawberries", and "This Whole World"), where the employer is always listed as as either Brother Records or "BeachBoys".


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: The Shift on February 15, 2014, 05:36:18 AM
Interestingly, there are a handful of AFM contracts for untitled songs dating from the "Sunflower" era (late '69 and early '70) recorded at "BeachBoys Studio" (aka Brian's Bellagio house), where the employer is "Brian Wilson Productions" rather than "Brother Records". These sessions appear to be separate from known Beach Boys sessions of the same time …

Now you're talkin'!  That is intriguing.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: adamghost on February 16, 2014, 01:21:31 AM
Could those be the rewritten versions of old Beach Boys hits recorded around that time?  (or FRIENDS, or whatever?)


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: c-man on February 16, 2014, 05:23:06 AM
Could those be the rewritten versions of old Beach Boys hits recorded around that time?  (or FRIENDS, or whatever?)

That's an interesting theory...hopefully those tapes either have been examined or will be in the near future!


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Peter Reum on February 16, 2014, 01:19:06 PM
Last time I heard Rooftop Harry, it was discordant with vibes and horns playing abrasively against each other. It is a simple track and where Brian was going with it is hard to discern.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on February 16, 2014, 10:10:22 PM
Last time I heard Rooftop Harry, it was discordant with vibes and horns playing abrasively against each other. It is a simple track and where Brian was going with it is hard to discern.

Any vocals Peter?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Peter Reum on February 17, 2014, 06:36:32 AM
Just a track


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on February 17, 2014, 10:22:59 AM
Hey everybody, I updated the first page of the thread with what I took to be the important info on a each track.

Just a track

Interesting. Well, even though he never put a vocal on, I'd still really like to hear this.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: SMiLE Brian on February 17, 2014, 10:38:17 AM
Brian should put on Joe Thomas by trying to get him to re-record this.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on February 17, 2014, 11:00:05 AM
Brian should put on Joe Thomas by trying to get him to re-record this.

Re-record "Rooftop Harry"? I highly doubt Brian even remembers what that is.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: SMiLE Brian on February 17, 2014, 11:16:51 AM
He remembered "my solution" for "happy days"..... ;D


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on February 17, 2014, 12:11:22 PM
He remembered "my solution" for "happy days"..... ;D

Touché good sir.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on February 20, 2014, 11:36:06 AM
So does anybody know if "Just an Imitation" was ever found in a recorded demo or anything?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 20, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
Last time I was in the BRI vault, I looked, and if it exists, it's not in the "J" rack.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on February 25, 2014, 11:05:15 PM
Last time I was in the BRI vault, I looked, and if it exists, it's not in the "J" rack.

What about stuff like "Funky Fever" and "Gimme Some Lovin'"?

And most importantly, the 1975 "In the Back of My Mind"? I really hope we get to hear that one day. So hopefully it's still residing safely in the BRI vault.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Bedroom Tapes on March 29, 2014, 02:09:50 PM
For those lucky enough to have heard it, what instruments are used on Lucy Jones?  Or is it just piano because it was during the California Feelin' demo session?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: bgas on March 29, 2014, 02:16:19 PM
So does anybody know if "Just an Imitation" was ever found in a recorded demo or anything?

Last time I was in the BRI vault, I looked, and if it exists, it's not in the "J" rack.

 That's because it's filed under "I" for ....   Imitation.....   "J" is where they keep Lucy Jones


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 29, 2014, 04:04:33 PM
So does anybody know if "Just an Imitation" was ever found in a recorded demo or anything?

Last time I was in the BRI vault, I looked, and if it exists, it's not in the "J" rack.

 That's because it's filed under "I" for ....   Imitation.....   "J" is where they keep Lucy Jones

Nope - that's in the "C" rack, same reel as "California Feelin'" (1974 demo).


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 29, 2014, 05:55:33 PM
I'd nut rainbows if I had the job of transferring those songs to the digital realm. I'd certainly do a better job than was done on several of the songs from MIC, if I'm being honest.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: bgas on March 29, 2014, 07:14:08 PM
I'd nut rainbows if I had the job of transferring those songs to the digital realm. I'd certainly do a better job than was done on several of the songs from MIC, if I'm being honest.

Are you?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 01, 2014, 05:43:58 PM
Yes. I think the live Wild Honey in all its artifically-induced reverb hell/glory is proof, just to name one example. The music on the set was great, and I'm very happy to have it. I just wish some of the tracks wouldn't have come out sounding the way they did. I for one have no issues with digital editing or processing of any kind; hell, I do it too. The thing that bothers me is that in cases it sounds very amateurish and overdone, where a subtle touch would have been more appropriate.

Just my two cents.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: bgas on April 01, 2014, 05:50:54 PM
Yes. I think the live Wild Honey in all its artifically-induced reverb hell/glory is proof, just to name one example. The music on the set was great, and I'm very happy to have it. I just wish some of the tracks wouldn't have come out sounding the way they did. I for one have no issues with digital editing or processing of any kind; hell, I do it too. The thing that bothers me is that in cases it sounds very amateurish and overdone, where a subtle touch would have been more appropriate.

Just my two cents.

Don't listen to MIC Wild Honey, then. Listen to t'other one


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 01, 2014, 06:03:59 PM
Yeah, I normally skip over that, Sail Plane Song, You've lost that Lovin Feeling, and Sherry She Needs Me for those reasons.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: bgas on April 01, 2014, 06:05:58 PM
Yeah, I normally skip over that, Sail Plane Song, You've lost that Lovin Feeling, and Sherry She Needs Me for those reasons.

One of these days I've really got to give MIC a spin, if only to hear what this is all about


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Mikie on April 01, 2014, 06:56:13 PM
But..........but Bgas. Why go anywhere else? Wild Honey on MIC kicks major ass! When I fire up MIC and wanna rock out, the '72 tracks are the first go-to songs for me!  Wild Honey is great and so is Rhonda! And I'm with Billy on the reverb to Wild Honey. It's like.......WHY???  It didn't need any! It ruined it a little bit. Those are two songs I'd like on an early 70's live comp, with just a touch or without reverb.

That's the first question I'd ask Linett. What's up with the excessive echo/reverb on some of these songs on MIC?

P.S. Sherry She needs Me is great, but Sail Plane Song was butchered. I much prefer the version on Endless Harmony left alone.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: CenturyDeprived on April 01, 2014, 07:18:20 PM
But..........but Bgas. Why go anywhere else? Wild Honey on MIC kicks major ass! When I fire up MIC and wanna rock out, the '72 tracks are the first go-to songs for me!  Wild Honey is great and so is Rhonda! And I'm with Billy on the reverb to Wild Honey. It's like.......WHY???  It didn't need any! It ruined it a little bit. Those are two songs I'd like on an early 70's live comp, with just a touch or without reverb.

That's the first question I'd ask Linett. What's up with the excessive echo/reverb on some of these songs on MIC?

P.S. Sherry She needs Me is great, but Sail Plane Song was butchered. I much prefer the version on Endless Harmony left alone.

I'm also in agreement that the reverb on '72 Wild Honey is outta control. Just really, blatantly too much (with all due respect to the box set compilers, who I'm sure labored hard over the set).

I'm totally cool with Sail Plane Song, strangely enough - but that's probably because the unaltered version was already released previously. That makes it acceptable to try something new this time. And the something new they've tried here, while not sounding "period" accurate to the time, still sounds cool to my ears, in its own way. At the very least, it kinda sorta gives you another take on how a fully-realized-by-BW-at-the-time version of the song might have panned out.

This version is like a piece of BW-authorized BB fan fiction. I have a hunch that they tried to approximate a spooky, druggy, acid-tinged sound that BW may have had in his head for the song originally, or at least for other material at the time that never quite got captured on tape, so this was maybe an attempt to showcase an alternate reality of a path not taken, due to the many factors that kept BW from completing songs at the time.

I can totally dig You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' too, despite the digital reverb added. It totally doesn't bug me on that track, and IMO helps flesh it out a little.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Mikie on April 01, 2014, 07:27:24 PM
Was just listening to "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" and.....like Sherry.....the added reverb is OK. It's just enough. Anything that adds to the bootlegged version, which was already a good recording sonically, is OK in my book. But leave the live tracks alone. Musta been Steve Moffitt that recorded these live '72 performances. Still, the clarity of these live MIC tracks surpass the "In Concert" album. We need a good 70's live comp with this stuff on it.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Yorick on February 08, 2015, 11:07:57 AM
And also anybody have any info on the rest of these songs, like if "Just An Imitation" was ever recorded, even as a demo? And I know somebody said "Lucy Jones" was an example of the "new" Brian voice, but I'm pretty sure this was still pre-voice change.

As far as I know, "Imitation" was never recorded, even as a home demo. However, I have heard "Lucy Jones", and it's primo 'shouty' Brian.  ;D
Dear Andrew,

on your excellent website you state that there probably was a session for Just an Imitation during the summer of 1974. Is this based on new evidence?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 08, 2015, 01:48:29 PM
That post of mine is over five years old.    ;D


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Yorick on February 08, 2015, 04:33:59 PM
 ;D

Have the session tapes been found?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on February 08, 2015, 10:13:35 PM
That post of mine is over five years old.    ;D

You are being a bit cryptic though. They didn't find anything did they? I just have to assume that it was never put on tape.

However, I am hopeful that Brian's 1975 recording of "In the Back of My Mind" is still around. That is now the one that I really wanna hear. I would probably part with many possessions to hear that one and have a copy reside in my collection.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Sangheon on November 04, 2015, 04:49:54 AM
Lucy Jones was officially? released on Steve Kalinich's CD 'California Feelin 2'.
It's like a piano demo overdubed 'wop bop' doo wap style background vocals.
Mostly the vocals by Steve kalinich. I don't hear Brian's except his count-in and the background vocals.

1. Hellen Keller - Stacy Keach (A poem by Stephen J. Kalinich)
2. Rainbows - Carl B. Wilson
3. Sometimes She's Odd - Tracy Landecker
4. This Song Is About Me - Neil Innes
5. I Don't Have A Clue - Dylan Leblanc
6. I Wanna Say - Ralph Stevens & Stephen J. Kalinich
7. Los Angeles - Ellis Hooks
8. Little Bird - Steve Cropper
9. Lucy Jones - Stephen J. Kalinich
10. When I Change My Mood - Stephen J. Kalinich and Jon Tiven
11. I Will Not Love You Forever - Stephen J. Kalinich
12. Lost On The Moon - Alan Boyd
13. If You Know - P.F. Sloan
14. You Dance My Heart Around The Stars - Mary Wilson
15. The End Of Inspiration - Paul Steel
16. Anytime USA - David Marks
17. My Love Lives On - Carl B. Wilson


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Bedroom Tapes on November 05, 2015, 11:23:54 PM
It's true, Lucy Jones has finally surfaced.  Pretty basic track with Brian on backups.  Nothing earth-shattering.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: kwebb on November 06, 2015, 03:07:32 AM
Where do you find California Feeling 2? I haven't had any luck finding it online, and it's apparently not on itunes


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: bonnevillemariner on November 06, 2015, 06:58:49 AM
Where do you find California Feeling 2? I haven't had any luck finding it online, and it's apparently not on itunes

I could swear I saw it at foothillrecords.com, but I'm not finding it now.  A Google search returned only results for California Feeling.  I didn't dig too deep because I shouldn't have to.  Either the album completely sucks or the label has absolutely no idea how to market.  No offense to anybody here who might have been involved with that album on some level, but the fact that I can't readily locate the CD, hear samples, or buy without worrying that the product is a CD-R with liner notes copied at Kinkos... doesn't bode well with me. 


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Wirestone on November 06, 2015, 07:24:47 AM
Where do you find California Feeling 2? I haven't had any luck finding it online, and it's apparently not on itunes

I could swear I saw it at foothillrecords.com, but I'm not finding it now.  A Google search returned only results for California Feeling.  I didn't dig too deep because I shouldn't have to.  Either the album completely sucks or the label has absolutely no idea how to market.  No offense to anybody here who might have been involved with that album on some level, but the fact that I can't readily locate the CD, hear samples, or buy without worrying that the product is a CD-R with liner notes copied at Kinkos... doesn't bode well with me. 

http://www.amazon.com/California-Feeling-2-Stephen-Kalnich/dp/B016P3QHWA

Sorry it doesn't meet your exacting standards, but this is it.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: bonnevillemariner on November 06, 2015, 08:48:27 AM
Where do you find California Feeling 2? I haven't had any luck finding it online, and it's apparently not on itunes

I could swear I saw it at foothillrecords.com, but I'm not finding it now.  A Google search returned only results for California Feeling.  I didn't dig too deep because I shouldn't have to.  Either the album completely sucks or the label has absolutely no idea how to market.  No offense to anybody here who might have been involved with that album on some level, but the fact that I can't readily locate the CD, hear samples, or buy without worrying that the product is a CD-R with liner notes copied at Kinkos... doesn't bode well with me. 

http://www.amazon.com/California-Feeling-2-Stephen-Kalnich/dp/B016P3QHWA

Sorry it doesn't meet your exacting standards, but this is it.

We've been thru this before, haven't we?  I'm sorry that my criticism of this label/website offends you so, but you're missing my point.  Yes, that is a link to the album, but in this case Amazon is just the broker.  All that means is that you can buy the CD from Foothill with your Amazon credentials and avoid going thru the label directly.  It still comes from Foothill, who didn't so much as bother to add a track listing to the page!  You didn't buy this CD from Amazon, Wirestone.  You bought it from Foothill through the Amazon pipes.  I'm not saying the product is suspect (although I seriously have purchased what turned out to be self-burned CD-Rs from sellers like this).  I'm simply laughing at the label's inability to market a product.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: The_Beach on November 06, 2015, 04:33:05 PM
Is California Feeling 2 a bootleg??? I cant find it anywhere and there is not any avalible on amazon. amazon usually has a bunch of stock of CDs and then theirs always the option to buy it from someone other then amazon but on amazon and theres none to buy there either.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: wantsomecorn on November 06, 2015, 06:47:57 PM
Lucy Jones was officially? released on Steve Kalinich's CD 'California Feelin 2'.
It's like a piano demo overdubed 'wop bop' doo wap style background vocals.
Mostly the vocals by Steve kalinich. I don't hear Brian's except his count-in and the background vocals.

1. Hellen Keller - Stacy Keach (A poem by Stephen J. Kalinich)


Didn't Dennis also record a song with this name? Is this just the lyrics, read as a poem?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: c-man on November 06, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
Lucy Jones was officially? released on Steve Kalinich's CD 'California Feelin 2'.
It's like a piano demo overdubed 'wop bop' doo wap style background vocals.
Mostly the vocals by Steve kalinich. I don't hear Brian's except his count-in and the background vocals.

1. Hellen Keller - Stacy Keach (A poem by Stephen J. Kalinich)


Didn't Dennis also record a song with this name? Is this just the lyrics, read as a poem?

Dennis and Steve reportedly collaborated on such a song. My guess would be Dennis put music to Steve's poem, or at least intended to, but this is just the poem.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Sangheon on November 06, 2015, 08:42:59 PM
Is California Feeling 2 a bootleg??? I cant find it anywhere and there is not any avalible on amazon. amazon usually has a bunch of stock of CDs and then theirs always the option to buy it from someone other then amazon but on amazon and theres none to buy there either.

This isn't a bootleg.
"Compilation produced and mastered by Mark Linett" on the back cover.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Wirestone on November 06, 2015, 09:00:14 PM
Where do you find California Feeling 2? I haven't had any luck finding it online, and it's apparently not on itunes

I could swear I saw it at foothillrecords.com, but I'm not finding it now.  A Google search returned only results for California Feeling.  I didn't dig too deep because I shouldn't have to.  Either the album completely sucks or the label has absolutely no idea how to market.  No offense to anybody here who might have been involved with that album on some level, but the fact that I can't readily locate the CD, hear samples, or buy without worrying that the product is a CD-R with liner notes copied at Kinkos... doesn't bode well with me.  

http://www.amazon.com/California-Feeling-2-Stephen-Kalnich/dp/B016P3QHWA

Sorry it doesn't meet your exacting standards, but this is it.

We've been thru this before, haven't we?  I'm sorry that my criticism of this label/website offends you so, but you're missing my point.  Yes, that is a link to the album, but in this case Amazon is just the broker.  All that means is that you can buy the CD from Foothill with your Amazon credentials and avoid going thru the label directly.  It still comes from Foothill, who didn't so much as bother to add a track listing to the page!  You didn't buy this CD from Amazon, Wirestone.  You bought it from Foothill through the Amazon pipes.  I'm not saying the product is suspect (although I seriously have purchased what turned out to be self-burned CD-Rs from sellers like this).  I'm simply laughing at the label's inability to market a product.

I didn't buy it.

The question was where it could be found. I gave a link.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: The_Beach on November 06, 2015, 09:14:13 PM
Is California Feeling 2 a bootleg??? I cant find it anywhere and there is not any avalible on amazon. amazon usually has a bunch of stock of CDs and then theirs always the option to buy it from someone other then amazon but on amazon and theres none to buy there either.

This isn't a bootleg.
"Compilation produced and mastered by Mark Linett" on the back cover.

Sweet What year was this released? 2015?



Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Sangheon on November 06, 2015, 09:22:19 PM
Is California Feeling 2 a bootleg??? I cant find it anywhere and there is not any avalible on amazon. amazon usually has a bunch of stock of CDs and then theirs always the option to buy it from someone other then amazon but on amazon and theres none to buy there either.

This isn't a bootleg.
"Compilation produced and mastered by Mark Linett" on the back cover.

Sweet What year was this released? 2015?



Yes,  2015.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on November 07, 2015, 08:40:43 AM
Hooooooooooold up.

This compilation has the version of "Lucy Jones"? Like the one Brian and Steve recorded the day he recorded the "California Feelin'" demo? Does it indeed still have Brian's vocals? Were they erased?

If this is indeed that original recording, that's kind of a big deal.....


Even if the song itself probably isn't much of a big deal.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: alf wiedersehen on November 07, 2015, 09:38:21 AM
You're Riding High On The Music and Lucy Jones still exist and have been heard by a few. They're the first known instances of Brian's "new" voice.
I would quite possibly blow another man to hear those recordings.

I would just like to bring this back into attention.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Cabinessenceking on November 07, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
Any chance that someone could....ehm share?  :)



Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: c-man on November 07, 2015, 02:47:01 PM
Lucy Jones was officially? released on Steve Kalinich's CD 'California Feelin 2'.
It's like a piano demo overdubed 'wop bop' doo wap style background vocals.
Mostly the vocals by Steve kalinich. I don't hear Brian's except his count-in and the background vocals.

1. Hellen Keller - Stacy Keach (A poem by Stephen J. Kalinich)


Didn't Dennis also record a song with this name? Is this just the lyrics, read as a poem?

Dennis and Steve reportedly collaborated on such a song. My guess would be Dennis put music to Steve's poem, or at least intended to, but this is just the poem.

Just checked the interview Stevie did for the back of Adam Webb's book, and he's quoted there as saying about this song, "We never finished it." So that would mean it probably was never recorded, hence its appearance here as a poem rather than as a song.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: adamghost on November 07, 2015, 02:51:24 PM
I'm a little frustrated at the lack of promotion and clarity on this as well, because a song I produced and was main instrumentalist on is on it ("Sometimes She's Odd" by Tracy Landecker - a very cool track I think in the David Bowie pop mode, though I have not heard Mark Linett's remix of same which is what's on the album) and it took a while to even confirm that so that I might point people in the direction of the album.  It's weird because I am pretty sure the vocal on the track says "Sometimes HE's Odd," so even that's a little foggy.  But yes, from what I understand, current/recent release.  I haven't got a copy of it myself.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jay on November 07, 2015, 10:05:23 PM
You're Riding High On The Music and Lucy Jones still exist and have been heard by a few. They're the first known instances of Brian's "new" voice.
I would quite possibly blow another man to hear those recordings.

I would just like to bring this back into attention.
Hang on, one of the two songs referenced has yet to surface.  ;D


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: The_Beach on November 09, 2015, 04:28:11 PM
Here is Lucy Jones by Brian Wilson and Stephen Kalinich on youtube! Great song!


https://youtu.be/ESDa41vReZM

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Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on November 09, 2015, 04:52:38 PM
Umm...

I'll preface this by saying I'm in an airport and just having a quick listen, but I don't really hear Brian all that much. Am I missing something?

I'll also say that this song is EXACTLY how I imagined it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Lastly, if this is indeed all there is, and Brian's vocals haven't been wiped, then this really wasn't a "lost" Brian Wilson song. And truly would probably finish our search for '74/'75 Brian vocals. I think I'm cool with the "California Feelin'" demo and "In The Back Of My Mind" as the true examples of the differences in Brian's voice.

Regardless, very interested to see what other knowledgeable boardies have to say about this one.

AGD, you heard this one before? Alan Boyd, is this the version you heard in the vaults?


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on November 10, 2015, 02:50:09 AM
Allowing for the passage of some dozen years, and the popping of more brain cells than l care to think about... that's pretty much what l heard.


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Mr Fulton on December 10, 2016, 01:33:22 AM
You guys know that Brian mentioned Just An Imitation in his new book


Title: Re: Lost 1972-1974 BW Songs: Just An Imitation, Rooftop Harry, etc
Post by: Jim V. on December 10, 2016, 06:20:49 AM
You guys know that Brian mentioned Just An Imitation in his new book

Yeah. I did think that it was interesting that it was mentioned like two or three times as well.

Though I'm still suspicious whether there is actually a recording that exists of it. But then, once again, it's also interesting that he says it was recorded at Caribou in Colorado. But once again, do we really know if it was? Maybe we'll find out at some point?