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Any Dennis Wilson's news? Something in the works, plans? (other than DW BBC documentary)

Considering he's been dead for like 25 years, I'm pretty sure he doesn't have many plans at the moment...

Nothing official but I'm sure it's been hinted that a proper retrospective of Denny's work is being considered which would be a wondorous thing indeed, considering the strong sales of the re-issue of Pacific Ocean Blue there must be a label out there willing to do this. I hope.

Sony/Caribou would have been more than happy to do this considering their success with the POB/Legacy release, however BRI/Capitol/EMI control 95% of the DW material, (edit - more like 75% of what would be appropriate for a career retrospective) meaning a licensing agreement would have to be worked out and so far this has not happened.

Thanks for the information Jon, heres hoping that all involved parties can work something out.

But Caribou/Sony have the rights of DW solo material from 75 - 79. Jim Guercio have the control, right?
So they can release this material when they'll want to release it.
BRI/Capitol/EMI have the rights of the DW material (solo and with the Boys) from 67 - 74, and they can do the same, right?

Correct... and they did.  ;D

Yeah! And hopefully Caribou/Sony will release more!

I wonder, who owns the rights to any of Dennis's post 1979 work? Stuff like Labor Day from 1983(I think). Is there any copyright(s) on these types of tapes? Or are there just a bunch of tapes scattered in whatever studio Dennis stumbled into? Sorry for the image, but there really isn't any better way to say it.

I assume CBS would own any post Bambu stuff since he was still contracted to them when he died.

Did the Pacific Ocean Blue album really receive strong sales?  I thought I read somewhere on this very message board that it didn't do very well...

Maybe Jon or AGD can give us the actual unit sales figures, but I can say this: 
the set debuted at Number 4 on Amazon.com's Rock chart, Number 8 on Billboard's U.S. Catalog Album chart, and Number 16 on the U.K. Album Chart. It was the Number 2 Best Seller at the Los Angeles store of popular independent west coast chain Ameoba Records. Other global placings include Number 71 in Ireland, Number 67 in Holland, and an astonishing Number 5 in Norway. Rolling Stone, Mojo, Uncut, and the London Observer all voted it the best reissue of the year, while Time Out New York ranked it 2008's third best album overall.

It also sold through its initial deluxe packaging.

Yeah all of that is true, I think Awesoman must be the only person who read that it "didn't do very well." The actual sales were more than double what was originally projected as high end for this "cult" type of reissue...well in excess of 100,000 units worldwide and apparently still selling. Maybe Awesoman meant he read that the orig. '77 release of POB didn't do well, but it beat expectations too, 200,000 plus. Wow i just realized the POB LP (in past and present incarnations) has now sold well in excess of 300,000. Not bad Dennis!

That isn't really apples-to-apples to ask about an album within a year of its release: Jon is saying the 300k is both the '77 release and the recent re-release combined. 200k in 77, 100k re-release.

I know, I'm just curios about what the last BB's album that sold that well is.

Still Cruisin' I believe sold 700,000. It went gold fairly quick, since everyone just HAD to have Kokomo on an LP. Then Summer In Paradise hit the ball out of the park with all 1000 it sold.

I've heard rumors that as little as 250-500 copies of SIP were sold. The rest were either given away or sent to an "unknown location".  ;D

Guantanamo Bay?

I just was doing some research on Still Cruisin and it has sold over a million now and is Platinum certified. Crazy world huh?

Certified Platinum 9/30/2003.  :)

That piece of crap has gone platinum?!?!?!?!?! :o :o Unbelievable, considering how poorly the brilliant Sunflower sold, there is no justice or logic to this crazy world!

Yes, "Kokomo" made it possible.
Sorry to bore you again with more facts, but there are countries were STILL CRUISIN' was one of their top-charting (and selling) albums, right up there with PARTY! (no joke). Crazy world indeed.

"Kokomo" and, probably, "Wipeout" as well.  "Wipeout" was a Number 2 hit in the U.K. and Number 12 in the U.S.  The video was huge on MTV.  Until "Still Cruisin'", it had only appeared on a Fat Boys full-length LP.  Having their two recent (within two years) hits on one album with a handful of new tracks and three "golden oldies" was apparently too much for the general public to resist!

Then I must have been mistaken (easy there, Jon, easy...).  :-)

I thought torture techniques had been outlawed at Guantanamo, even before it was closed (it has been closed, right? I forget and don't feel like checking Google before posting). Heavily insulated underground storage facility, perhaps? :)

Interesting.  I wouldn't have thought that "Still Cruisin'" would have still been in print and selling copies in '03.

Nope, Guantanamo is very much still open & in business. Barack and his buddies can't figure out how to close it.