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Title: Hello/random question Post by: Nicole on June 05, 2009, 05:21:21 PM This is my first post here, so I decided not to spam up the forum with an "I'm new" thread and just introduce myself while asking a relevant question at the same time :P I'm Nicole and have been a Beach Boys fan since I was about 6 and my stepdad bought the Pet Sounds box set. I have a vivid memory of sitting on the counter and listening to the backing track of God Only Knows while my stepdad tried to explain to me what the song meant, and not long after that I was singing along to any BB song he played. I've been reading here for a few days and am impressed with all the discussion and information. Look forward to chatting with you all :D
My question iiiiis...on the Today!/Summer Days (and Summer Nights) CD, what are they talking about on the track titled Bull Session With The "Big Daddy"? Something about eating and there was a lamb at the table, "they didn't even burn the hair off of it..." LOL. Just a bunch of random talking? Sorry if it's common knowledge, I just haven't figured this all out yet, lol. I'm fascinated by those tracks where it's just them talking about stuff...I'd love to find more like that. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Shady on June 05, 2009, 05:31:35 PM Hey!
The Bull session track is exactly just a bunch of random talking about the tour, recording and all that stuff, I don't even recall the lamb thing, gotta listen to it again ::) But if you do like the talking tracks and stuff, there's an extended bull sessions track that goes on for like 20 minutes that somebody can hook you up with if you haven't heard it already, it's pretty funny Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Jason on June 05, 2009, 05:45:47 PM "I don't like the French but I like their bread." - Brian Wilson
The unedited track is a LOT of fun to hear even if you only listen once. DICK RISING! Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Dove Nested Towers on June 05, 2009, 11:04:03 PM "I don't like the French but I like their bread." - Brian Wilson The unedited track is a LOT of fun to hear even if you only listen once. DICK RISING! Inimitable Dennis. "One of the greatest guys I've ever met in my life." Someone else: (Carl?) "He sent us a telegram". What wonderfully irreverent and carefree humor. (or just juvenile, depending on your POV. "Earl Tree! Hi Fig!". :-D Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Shane on June 05, 2009, 11:44:10 PM Bull Session is a staged conversation between the Beach Boys and their friend (and I believe press writer) Earl Leaf. They are reminiscing about their then-recent 1964 European Tour. The story about cooking the lamb happened on the tour, as well as the French Bread experiences.
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: mikeyj on June 06, 2009, 12:25:25 AM Bull Session is a staged conversation between the Beach Boys and their friend (and I believe press writer) Earl Leaf. They are reminiscing about their then-recent 1964 European Tour. The story about cooking the lamb happened on the tour, as well as the French Bread experiences. I wouldn't call him a friend, there is a session for Dance, Dance, Dance where he gets mentioned. Here is the summary thanks to c-man (see here (http://www.towerwebsites.com/custommusic/beachboysarchives.pdf)): "Dennis asks "Is Earl Leaf still going with us again?". When told that he is, Dennis disparagingly comments "Oh f**k". Carl responds "Oh come on, he's a great guy", but either Al or Brian (it's hard to tell which) says "He's a f**king jerk"." By the way, wasn't Dick Reising a real guy who worked for Capitol? Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Pretty Funky on June 06, 2009, 02:50:21 AM Yes!
http://norimuster.com/history/capitolpeople.html Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Aegir on June 06, 2009, 11:04:55 PM That website is pretty much the only mention of Dick Rising on the internet besides Beach Boys message boards questioning if he's real.
Therefore, we don't have enough proof. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Bicyclerider on June 07, 2009, 12:36:01 PM Earl Leaf was a hollywood press agent and wrote a column about music in Teen magazine - he gave lots of column space to the Beach Boys and it was in their interest to befriend him.
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 07, 2009, 02:08:51 PM That website is pretty much the only mention of Dick Rising on the internet besides Beach Boys message boards questioning if he's real. Therefore, we don't have enough proof. Excuse me ? There's a recent interview with someone who remembers him, and his place in the Capitol hierachy in the 50s, with a photo, and that's not enough ? There isn't that much documentary proof for the existence of Jesus. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Pretty Funky on June 07, 2009, 02:54:49 PM The picture was taken in 57-58 and the guy looks late 30s-early 40s which meant he was probably named around 1920 and 'Richard' at that.
Perfectly innocent for the time. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Aegir on June 07, 2009, 11:35:13 PM That website is pretty much the only mention of Dick Rising on the internet besides Beach Boys message boards questioning if he's real. Therefore, we don't have enough proof. Excuse me ? There's a recent interview with someone who remembers him, and his place in the Capitol hierachy in the 50s, with a photo, and that's not enough ? There isn't that much documentary proof for the existence of Jesus. It's one website, one person. The photo doesn't say his name is Dick Rising, that's just a caption on the website. None of that is proof, it could've easily been fabricated. Not saying that it is fabricated, but you should never use just one random website as definite proof of anything. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 08, 2009, 10:39:39 AM That website is pretty much the only mention of Dick Rising on the internet besides Beach Boys message boards questioning if he's real. Therefore, we don't have enough proof. Excuse me ? There's a recent interview with someone who remembers him, and his place in the Capitol hierachy in the 50s, with a photo, and that's not enough ? There isn't that much documentary proof for the existence of Jesus. It's one website, one person. The photo doesn't say his name is Dick Rising, that's just a caption on the website. None of that is proof, it could've easily been fabricated. Not saying that it is fabricated, but you should never use just one random website as definite proof of anything. And I bet you believe the Apollo landings were all faked too, and that Brian Wilson writes every single note of his recent releases. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeesus ! Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: SG7 on June 08, 2009, 12:00:12 PM I remember hearing that for the first time Nicole and being like "WTF???"
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Aegir on June 09, 2009, 05:53:50 AM That website is pretty much the only mention of Dick Rising on the internet besides Beach Boys message boards questioning if he's real. Therefore, we don't have enough proof. Excuse me ? There's a recent interview with someone who remembers him, and his place in the Capitol hierachy in the 50s, with a photo, and that's not enough ? There isn't that much documentary proof for the existence of Jesus. It's one website, one person. The photo doesn't say his name is Dick Rising, that's just a caption on the website. None of that is proof, it could've easily been fabricated. Not saying that it is fabricated, but you should never use just one random website as definite proof of anything. And I bet you believe the Apollo landings were all faked too, and that Brian Wilson writes every single note of his recent releases. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeesus ! I don't even know if you're trying to imply that I'm really skeptical or really gullible. I mean, the website is probably true, but one falsehood is all it takes on the internet for bad information to spread. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 09, 2009, 10:17:25 AM one falsehood is all it takes... for bad information to spread. That pretty much describes the MO of every major belief system since time began. The Donation of Constantine, anyone ? Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: holeypeacoat on June 09, 2009, 11:34:20 AM imo your comparisons to support your point are a bit of a stretch man. carly denise prefers a bit more evidence to substantiate the claim than yourself. so what?
talk about my way or the hwy..jeez. ::) Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 09, 2009, 01:20:14 PM If other people remember him, how can he not exist?!
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 09, 2009, 02:19:49 PM Check out the rest of that website - there are letters to and from Rising.
Ah, silly me - they're faked, of course. In fact, the whole website is a hoax - there never was any Capitol Records. ;D This internet thing is just shameless, isn't it ? Actually, I don't exist either. :o Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Wilsonista on June 09, 2009, 03:43:43 PM Actually until about 1995 when I joined the Pet Sounds Mailing List, I never thought Dick Reising was a "naughty " name. Of course until I joined said list, I thought Hey Little Tomboy was innocent.
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Pretty Funky on June 09, 2009, 05:16:15 PM http://www.richardreising.com/
Another Dick? It happens...Getoverit!!! Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: holeypeacoat on June 09, 2009, 06:17:15 PM Check out the rest of that website - there are letters to and from Rising. Ah, silly me - they're faked, of course. In fact, the whole website is a hoax - there never was any Capitol Records. ;D This internet thing is just shameless, isn't it ? Actually, I don't exist either. :o i really have respect for your years of information gathering and knowledge andrew - make no mistake. gents like yourself have done a massive amount for the factual (as opposed to the yards and yards of fantasy) BB legacy. i know you're a fella who checks his facts twice. so being the information gathering sultan you are it should take no less than a wave of your hand to produce something in the vein of a birth certificate, a tombstone photograph or a photo of you, Dick and Murry (all sporting a thumbs up) to bring this long pondered question to a peaceful and gentlemanly close. The ball is in your court sir. :P what? ho! holeypeacoat Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 10, 2009, 10:10:51 AM OK, then.
Billboard, August 2nd 1952, carried a special supplement celebrating the 10th anniversary of Capitol Records, and on page 77 of same there's a rundown of the branches of the company. In the Dallas entry is this: "The promotional interest is reflected in the background of the present branch manager, Richard Rising. Tho' trained as an accountant, he became a New Orleans radio announcer in 1947, then manager of a wired music service. He went on to do promotional work, and eventually selling, for the Capitol distributor in New Orleans before taking the Dallas managership in 1952". ;D Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 10, 2009, 10:38:24 AM Careful...now people may want DNA testing so they can trace the paper that the Billboard magazine was printed on back to the original tree from which it was made...
:lol There hasn't been this much fuss about "Dick" since my honeymoon. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 10, 2009, 10:46:14 AM TMI, Billy - TMI... 8)
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: holeypeacoat on June 10, 2009, 10:52:02 AM OK, then. Billboard, August 2nd 1952, carried a special supplement celebrating the 10th anniversary of Capitol Records, and on page 77 of same there's a rundown of the branches of the company. In the Dallas entry is this: "The promotional interest is reflected in the background of the present branch manager, Richard Rising. Tho' trained as an accountant, he became a New Orleans radio announcer in 1947, then manager of a wired music service. He went on to do promotional work, and eventually selling, for the Capitol distributor in New Orleans before taking the Dallas managership in 1952". ;D I knew you would pull through. I think the question of Mr. Rising has been laid to rest. Now Andrew, how about the where abouts of Mr. Mojo Rising? >:D taley ho! Archibald Cavendish (Esq.) Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 10, 2009, 10:55:22 AM OK, then. Billboard, August 2nd 1952, carried a special supplement celebrating the 10th anniversary of Capitol Records, and on page 77 of same there's a rundown of the branches of the company. In the Dallas entry is this: "The promotional interest is reflected in the background of the present branch manager, Richard Rising. Tho' trained as an accountant, he became a New Orleans radio announcer in 1947, then manager of a wired music service. He went on to do promotional work, and eventually selling, for the Capitol distributor in New Orleans before taking the Dallas managership in 1952". ;D I knew you would pull through. I think the question of Mr. Rising has been laid to rest. Now Andrew, how about the where abouts of Mr. Mojo Rising? >:D taley ho! Archibald Cavendish (Esq.) Funny you should ask - I spoke to Herve Muller about Jimbo, oh, over 25 years ago. His reply was "there's no mystery about him being dead - he is... the real mystery is how he died". And it's "tally ho", old bean. Pip pip, what ? :) Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Pretty Funky on June 10, 2009, 03:51:06 PM I think this whole Dick Rising is limp . It's hard to provde proof that stands up! The subject has climaxed and can now be inserted into the laid to rest file.
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 10, 2009, 04:29:49 PM Now Andrew, how about the where abouts of Mr. Mojo Rising? >:D Funny you should ask - I spoke to Herve Muller about Jimbo, oh, over 25 years ago. His reply was "there's no mystery about him being dead - he is... the real mystery is how he died". And that is.....how? Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Jason on June 10, 2009, 04:54:43 PM I knew you would pull through. I think the question of Mr. Rising has been laid to rest. Now Andrew, how about the where abouts of Mr. Mojo Rising? >:D taley ho! Archibald Cavendish (Esq.) HEY! Only I can refer to myself as Esquire, as I was, long ago, Dr. UNH (Esq). :) Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 10, 2009, 11:40:40 PM Now Andrew, how about the where abouts of Mr. Mojo Rising? >:D Funny you should ask - I spoke to Herve Muller about Jimbo, oh, over 25 years ago. His reply was "there's no mystery about him being dead - he is... the real mystery is how he died". And that is.....how? Not in the hotel bath - not in the hotel, period. It's old news now, but back then, went totally against the prevailing wisdom. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: adamghost on June 11, 2009, 12:38:44 AM I found the Dick Rising thread to be, in the whole, a most penetrating one. I've enjoyed the thrust of the discussion.
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 11, 2009, 01:19:29 AM I found the Dick Rising thread to be, in the whole, a most penetrating one. I've enjoyed the thrust of the discussion. Especially when brought to a satisfactory climax. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Surfer Joe on June 11, 2009, 01:50:36 AM This internet thing is just shameless, isn't it ? Actually, I don't exist either. :o I was never sure 'til now, because no one has claimed responsibility for you, although Mike Love says the hat was his idea. On the other hand, I hear there was this album called Remember The Zoo.... :lol Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Nicole on June 11, 2009, 03:29:15 AM LOL, well this thread took an interesting turn.
Thanks for the replies, guys! Do tell me more about this 20 minute bull sessions track :o If it's not against the rules, that is. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: No. Fourteen on June 11, 2009, 07:03:09 AM Isn't the Bull Sessions segment from TODAY! not actually contained in the 20 minute segment from Unsurpassed Masters?
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: mikeyj on June 11, 2009, 07:30:26 AM Isn't the Bull Sessions segment from TODAY! not actually contained in the 20 minute segment from Unsurpassed Masters? Correct! Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Alf64 on June 11, 2009, 09:35:31 AM :grouphug I have the 20 minute version of the "bull session" on one CD. Sounded odd at first to hear the guys swear. :o But I realized they are just like us.
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: No. Fourteen on June 11, 2009, 10:41:14 AM Isn't the Bull Sessions segment from TODAY! not actually contained in the 20 minute segment from Unsurpassed Masters? Correct! The new Beach Boys "Holy Grail": THE COMPLETE BULL SESSIONS! :-D Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: holeypeacoat on June 11, 2009, 11:13:23 AM Quote And it's "tally ho", old bean. Pip pip, what ? :) ::) There you go again.. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Aegir on June 11, 2009, 12:09:06 PM I remember reading (this might not be true) that they took pieces of the full recording Bull Sessions for the album, and what remains of it is what's on UM.
Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Surfer Joe on June 11, 2009, 04:59:47 PM For those of you with kids, I think it's best that you don't tell them about Andrew. In times like these, children need something to believe in.
Besides, he's real in our hearts. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: The Shift on June 12, 2009, 12:30:02 AM For those of you with kids, I think it's best that you don't tell them about Andrew. In times like these, children need something to believe in. Besides, he's real in our hearts. I sometimes tell my daughter that if she doesn't behave the AGD will come along in the night and disprove her existence. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Dove Nested Towers on June 12, 2009, 01:03:49 AM Isn't the Bull Sessions segment from TODAY! not actually contained in the 20 minute segment from Unsurpassed Masters? Correct! The new Beach Boys "Holy Grail": THE COMPLETE BULL SESSIONS! :-D The "Cassius" Love & "Sonny" Wilson vs. Big Daddy sessions, that would be the real mother lode/Holy Grail. We would all stand erected if that was ever dug up from the vaults. :o Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Shady on June 12, 2009, 09:21:32 AM too many puns :o
;D Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: donald on June 12, 2009, 01:49:31 PM We interrupt this thread for an important message;
Every time this comes up (damn those puns) I recall a discussion of double phallic. ultramacho, or just plain silly suggestive names. Real people of note; Dick Trickle Woody Johnson Peter O'Toole Dick Army Dick Hyman Peter Gunn Peter Boyle Peter D. Beter (look it up, he ran for governor of WV back in the 60's) Red Peters (broadcaster) Harry Bush (artist and illustrator) Harry Johnson (a very common name) Peter North and of course, the one and only Seymore Butz :p and now, back to the discussion of the bull session.... Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: TdHabib on June 12, 2009, 03:38:12 PM We interrupt this thread for an important message; I knew---no joke--a Texus oilman by the name of Richard Mann...and you know what he went by?Every time this comes up (damn those puns) I recall a discussion of double phallic. ultramacho, or just plain silly suggestive names. Real people of note; Dick Trickle Woody Johnson Peter O'Toole Dick Army Dick Hyman Peter Gunn Peter Boyle Peter D. Beter (look it up, he ran for governor of WV back in the 60's) Red Peters (broadcaster) Harry Bush (artist and illustrator) Harry Johnson (a very common name) Peter North and of course, the one and only Seymore Butz :p Pause for laughter. Title: Re: Hello/random question Post by: Dove Nested Towers on June 13, 2009, 12:07:29 AM Dick Cavett used to tell how Groucho Marx, a celebrated correspondent as well as great comedian, would often add irreverent postscripts to his letters, and once added a P.S. at
the end of one letter "Did you ever notice that Peter O'Toole is a double phallic name?" A little redundant after the last post, but funny at the time. :) Still hoping for those complete Big Daddy Bull Session sessions to surface. :-\ |