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Title: Any outtakes from "KTSA" ever released? Post by: coco1997 on May 29, 2009, 01:38:20 PM Hey everyone, I was recently looking through a BB recording history and a few unfamiliar titles popped up as I was looking through the recording sessions for "Keepin' the Summer Alive." They include "I'll Always Love You," "Surfer Suzie," "Why Didn't I Tell You," "Smokey Places" and "Boys & Girls." Has anyone ever heard these songs? If so, are they available via bootleg or otherwise? I'm not asking for the songs per se, but it would be nice to know whether or not they're actually "out there" somewhere. ;) Thanks!
P.S. Is is true the BB re-recorded "Been Way Too Long" late in the "KTSA" sessions? Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 29, 2009, 02:43:44 PM "Why Didn't I Tell You" became "Goin' On" - thankfully minus the bizarre drum solo. "Surfin' Suzie" is an Ed Carter song, not at all bad. Anoher outtake is "Goin' To The Beach", again, not that bad.
As for "CWTL", some work was done on overdubbing the original tapes, rather than a complete re-recording. Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Jason on May 29, 2009, 03:24:27 PM Da Doo Ron Ron and Little Girl are also from these sessions and both are booted. The latter was produced by BW and has a Carl scratch vocal. The former is a group vocal with Carl on lead, and it really sucks.
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: MBE on May 29, 2009, 03:41:19 PM Why Didn't I Tell You and an early Oh Darlin with Brian on lead is around :police:
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Jason on May 29, 2009, 05:25:05 PM There are several Brian/Mike and solo Brian recordings from around the KTSA period as well. Brian and Mike did a long session in mid-80 that resulted in about seven songs IIRC. Three have been booted but all exist. The booted three are River Deep Mountain High with unfinished vocals, Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love with Brian and Mike on lead and backing vox, and Be My Baby with Mike on lead - this latter was the basis for the version on Looking Back With Love. Brian also did versions of My Solution and Shortenin' Bread with no vocals around the same time.
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 30, 2009, 02:50:38 AM The Wilson/Love sessions were a week in June 1980, at Mike's house in Santa Barbara:
Be My Baby* River Deep Mountain High* Greenback Dollar Why Don't They Let Us Fall In Love ?* Bucks (ML song) Children Of The Night (ML song) I'm A Man* (BW, not the Spencer Davis song) [* vocals recorded] Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 30, 2009, 02:52:18 AM There are several Brian/Mike and solo Brian recordings from around the KTSA period as well. Errr... KTSA had been released for three months by the time of these recordings. ::) Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: the captain on May 30, 2009, 07:53:43 AM Greenback Dollar I love that song! Has anyone heard this recording, and did they do a decent job of it? Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: MBE on May 30, 2009, 07:30:20 PM Never heard that one. River Deep is rough but had potential.
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: coco1997 on May 30, 2009, 10:27:39 PM Anyone know if "I'm a Man," "I'll Always Love You," "Surfin' Suzie," or "Little Girl" have ever been released on bootleg or otherwise?
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 30, 2009, 11:52:58 PM "Little Girl" has been booted: Desper played me "Suzie" more years ago than I care to admit - it's retro, but in no way objectionable, and would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it.
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: The Shift on May 31, 2009, 03:13:35 AM "Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it. Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given? I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album. How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years? Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Loaf on May 31, 2009, 07:13:18 AM "Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it. Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given? Perhaps divided up among some "contributors" in the way that Love/Melcher "co-wrote" Kokomo "with" John Phillips & Scott MacKenzie, or the way Mike gets 50% of the lyric royalties for Good Vibrations. Mike: "Surfer Suzie...she's a real doozy" - where's my 50%, Eddie? Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 31, 2009, 07:17:11 AM "Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it. Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given? I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album. How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years? Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. ::) Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Malc on May 31, 2009, 09:27:20 AM How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years? Another prime example being : http://www.pipeline-operaglass.moonfruit.com/#/its-about-time/4517958509 :smokin Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: adamghost on May 31, 2009, 03:10:36 PM "I Will Always Love You" I don't think has ever been booted but it's been played in public before -- at the Carl Wilson Foundation show for one (I think as part of the Carl doc) and not putting it out to me was really dumb if they were looking for a hit...it would have been a perfect A/C radio hit in 1980. It may have been too "mature" for the record, or they may not have wanted to go with outside writers, but it's more commercial in the pure radio sense than anything on KTSA.
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: hypehat on May 31, 2009, 03:32:06 PM "Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it. Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given? I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album. How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years? Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. ::) Oh you tease, with your rolly eyes and all ;D Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: The Shift on May 31, 2009, 04:30:12 PM "Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it. Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given? I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album. How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years? Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. ::) That might be open to misinterpretation, given that so many members/former members of the band are releasing stuff at the moment. ::) I guess we know which member you're talking about - can we assume this is another example of mismanagement? Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Loaf on June 01, 2009, 01:49:56 AM I presume we're not talking Hallmark releases here?
So who's the name left out of the credits? Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Naive Teen Idol on June 01, 2009, 04:58:54 AM What about the video? I'm not sure where I saw it, but I read that the guys had the KTSA sessions videotaped b/c they had a feeling this was the last time they'd have Brian in the studio running the show. I've seen the Goin' Platinum stuff with the "Goin' to the Beach' rehearsal (which is awesome, btw) -- but that's all. Is there more?
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: phirnis on June 01, 2009, 05:43:40 AM "Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it. Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given? I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album. How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years? Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. ::) So the TLOS lyrics are all Mike Love's? Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Emdeeh on June 01, 2009, 09:09:05 AM Quote from: adamghost "I Will Always Love You" I don't think has ever been booted but it's been played in public before -- at the Carl Wilson Foundation show for one (I think as part of the Carl doc) Yes, it was part of the Carl doc shown at the CWF show. I'm with Adam -- I'd love to see an official release of this particular Carl song! Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: coco1997 on June 01, 2009, 10:41:45 AM Quote from: adamghost "I Will Always Love You" I don't think has ever been booted but it's been played in public before -- at the Carl Wilson Foundation show for one (I think as part of the Carl doc) Yes, it was part of the Carl doc shown at the CWF show. I'm with Adam -- I'd love to see an official release of this particular Carl song! Can this song be heard anywhere? Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Emdeeh on June 01, 2009, 10:52:01 AM Only if the Carl Wilson Foundation has another concert and plays the video again there.
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: LeeDempsey on June 01, 2009, 02:33:25 PM "Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it. Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given? I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album. How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years? Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. ::) A very wise observation indeed Andrew! Lee Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Naive Teen Idol on June 01, 2009, 02:43:56 PM Just to repeat so it doesn't get buried upthread: has anyone seen the extensive film that was supposedly shot during the KTSA sessions? I found the Goin' Platinum bits to be totally fascinating, but wanted much, much more...
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: mtaber on June 01, 2009, 07:43:10 PM "I'll Always Love You" was the Barry Mann song, correct?
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 01, 2009, 07:53:22 PM has anyone seen the extensive film that was supposedly shot during the KTSA sessions? I found the Goin' Platinum bits to be totally fascinating, but wanted much, much more... I saw the "Goin' Platinum" special; it was very entertaining. I found Brian to be very lucid and down right funny at times. Actually, I'll go out on a limb and say it was the most "normal" that Brian appeared during the 1976-1981 period. Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Emdeeh on June 01, 2009, 09:10:56 PM "I'll Always Love You" was the Barry Mann song, correct? I think it's a Carl original -- I didn't recognize it from anything I'd heard before. Perhaps Adam or Alan could shed more light on this song. Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: MBE on June 01, 2009, 10:51:02 PM "I'll Always Love You" was the Barry Mann song, correct? I think it's a Carl original -- I didn't recognize it from anything I'd heard before. Perhaps Adam or Alan could shed more light on this song. Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Beach Head on June 02, 2009, 12:49:43 AM "I'll Always Love You" was the Barry Mann song, correct? Bruce and I discussed it on BBB. It is the Barry Mann song. And Bruce certainly would know! The song originally appeared on Mann's Survivor album, released on RCA in 1975, co-produced by Mann and Bruce himself! Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Loaf on June 03, 2009, 01:36:29 PM "Suzie" ...would have been on KTSA had Eddie agreed to relinquish his credit on it. Erm, and to whom would credit have then been given? I don't quite follow the band's thinking on that, given that they hardly needed the royalties, and that they covered Chuck Berry's "School Days (Ring Ring Goes the Bell)" on the same album. How many others songs might they have similarly stolen... I mean, appropriated ... from other musicians, composers and lyricists over the years? Well, in the case of a recent release by a member of The Beach Boys, some of the credits are, shall we say, less than entirely accurate, which might have something to do with a name being notably absent from the "thanks" section of the liners. Allegedly. ::) Andy Paley? Wasn't Goin Home from the Wilson-Paley Sessions, or was that a different Goin Home? Either Paley, or A.G.Doe. Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 03, 2009, 01:39:15 PM Andy Paley ? Who he ? ::)
Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 03, 2009, 01:41:06 PM Andy Paley? Wasn't Goin Home from the Wilson-Paley Sessions, or was that a different Goin Home? Either Paley, or A.G.Doe. Different song with same title. :) Title: Re: Any outtakes from \ Post by: Wirestone on June 03, 2009, 06:19:19 PM Well, given that the entire band is thanked in the liner notes to TLOS, I think we can assume it's not that record.
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