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Title: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 24, 2009, 07:54:34 AM
...is 'SMiLE', Unsurpassed Masters, #16. None of us heard it either, of course. So: everything is much OK. But: what is the consensus on that one?

I like it a lot, for its clear, uncluttered sound. The few quibbles I do have sink into oblivion compared to the joy it gives me. Over to you. Be brave.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: The Shift on April 24, 2009, 08:27:33 AM
Are you talking about the CD version, or the LP version (neither of which I have...)?


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 24, 2009, 08:31:18 AM
Are you talking about the CD version, or the LP version (neither of which I have...)?

I don't have the CD.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: ? on April 24, 2009, 10:18:08 AM
 I like the cd quite a bit.  The record is cool to have, but man it's noisy.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: The Shift on April 24, 2009, 10:43:47 AM
If I had the CD, which I don't, but if I did, I'd have to say that one thing that struck me after listening to BWPS was how close the track listing was to that of the CD which I don't have.

I don't just mean the tracks on the album, I mean the actual running order in several places.

I read, possibly on this very board, that Darian Sahanaja was a long-term SMiLE fan and reckon it's safe to assume that he, like us, didn't have this CD. I wonder therefore if its playing order was any influence on him when he sat down with Brian and introduced him to the wonders of iTunes playlists, of GarageBand or whatever it was.

Another thought I had about the boot was that it was a shame they'd had to use some legit-released stuff on it to recreate a SMiLE album.  Not a great believer in bootleggers using legit-released stuff, and that was the CD's one weakness.  I hear.

The fact that they also used a version of Child that wasn't on Vol 17 of USM made me wonder whether they had any other leftovers they could have treated us to -  though it would never have been a treat as we none of us know how to source such treats.

By the way, thread title should be "A Record None Of Us Has...". "None" is an abbreviation of "no-one", which implies singular.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: MBE on April 24, 2009, 02:27:10 PM
I like the cd quite a bit.  The record is cool to have, but man it's noisy.
It is a little but to hear the In The Cantina bit on vinyl just gives it a whole new feel. I am glad it "doesn't" exist.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: Alf64 on April 24, 2009, 02:45:57 PM
 ;D What do you mean "none of us have"? I have it. As a folder of files. I haven't made a CD with it yet. I have all of the UM series. Maybe I should master them and make CDs out of each?
   I prefer the original Beach Boys versions of the songs as well. Since it was "fresh" then. Coming back to a project after such a long time doesn't have the same "vibe" or youthfulness.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 25, 2009, 12:50:08 AM
If I had the CD, which I don't, but if I did, I'd have to say that one thing that struck me after listening to BWPS was how close the track listing was to that of the CD which I don't have.

I don't just mean the tracks on the album, I mean the actual running order in several places.

I read, possibly on this very board, that Darian Sahanaja was a long-term SMiLE fan and reckon it's safe to assume that he, like us, didn't have this CD. I wonder therefore if its playing order was any influence on him when he sat down with Brian and introduced him to the wonders of iTunes playlists, of GarageBand or whatever it was.

Another thought I had about the boot was that it was a shame they'd had to use some legit-released stuff on it to recreate a SMiLE album.  Not a great believer in bootleggers using legit-released stuff, and that was the CD's one weakness.  I hear.

The fact that they also used a version of Child that wasn't on Vol 17 of USM made me wonder whether they had any other leftovers they could have treated us to -  though it would never have been a treat as we none of us know how to source such treats.

By the way, thread title should be "A Record None Of Us Has...". "None" is an abbreviation of "no-one", which implies singular.

 :police: As a firm custodian of the law, I must say, chap/m'lady, that this is one of the funniest and most consequent/consistent posts I have read in ages... :lol


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: Dove Nested Towers on April 25, 2009, 01:10:07 AM
If a CD that nobody has is played when no one is listening, does it make a noise? ??? ;D


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 25, 2009, 01:26:50 AM
If a CD that nobody has is played when no one is listening, does it make a noise? ??? ;D

I would refer you to the works of that eminent philospher Bishop George Berkeley. Read his 'Three Dialogues', for instance. The central question is: does something exist when no one is perceiving it?

His answer: yes, it does, because God is always perceiving it.

I hope that satisfies your query, at least partially.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: Dove Nested Towers on April 26, 2009, 01:20:38 AM
Unfortunately, the renowned philosopher's answer doesn't address the existential question
from a secular standpoint. :(


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 26, 2009, 02:26:52 AM
Unfortunately, the renowned philosopher's answer doesn't address the existential question
from a secular standpoint. :(

I pondered your predicament. And I did a thought experiment. Imagine an unmanned Space Shuttle, that has only a CD player and a tape recorder on board. Now, we take that CD that no one has (allegedly) and we put it in the player. We shoot the shuttle in orbit, and then, with a remote, start the player and the tape recorder simultaneously.

After the shuttle has returned to earth, we take the tape machine out, and listen to what's on the tape. And, hey presto, there is SOT 16 in all its splendour! So it DID make noise after all... does that make sense?


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: hypehat on April 26, 2009, 03:54:53 AM
Unfortunately, the renowned philosopher's answer doesn't address the existential question
from a secular standpoint. :(

I pondered your predicament. And I did a thought experiment. Imagine an unmanned Space Shuttle, that has only a CD player and a tape recorder on board. Now, we take that CD that no one has (allegedly) and we put it in the player. We shoot the shuttle in orbit, and then, with a remote, start the player and the tape recorder simultaneously.

After the shuttle has returned to earth, we take the tape machine out, and listen to what's on the tape. And, hey presto, there is SOT 16 in all its splendour! So it DID make noise after all... does that make sense?

So THATS how we get bootlegs... i wondered where i was going wrong  ;D


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Shift on April 26, 2009, 04:11:50 AM
If the tape was blank, would you ever know whether either:

a) the experiment proved that there's no sound when there's no-one around to perceive it, or

b) the remote malfunctioned?

Or whether, even, actually, USM 16 doesn't actually exist.

After all, we don't have one... and I sure NASA doesn't either.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 26, 2009, 04:18:37 AM
If the tape was blank, would you ever know whether either:

a) the experiment proved that there's no sound when there's no-one around to perceive it, or

b) the remote malfunctioned?

Or whether, even, actually, USM 16 doesn't actually exist.

After all, we don't have one... and I sure NASA doesn't either.

:smokin Cool... it actually took me a while to get the whole joke... and I am sure that NASA doesn't... although there is a planetoid named after Brian Douglas Wilson, of course...


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 26, 2009, 04:20:04 AM
Unfortunately, the renowned philosopher's answer doesn't address the existential question
from a secular standpoint. :(

I pondered your predicament. And I did a thought experiment. Imagine an unmanned Space Shuttle, that has only a CD player and a tape recorder on board. Now, we take that CD that no one has (allegedly) and we put it in the player. We shoot the shuttle in orbit, and then, with a remote, start the player and the tape recorder simultaneously.

After the shuttle has returned to earth, we take the tape machine out, and listen to what's on the tape. And, hey presto, there is SOT 16 in all its splendour! So it DID make noise after all... does that make sense?

So THATS how we get bootlegs... i wondered where i was going wrong  ;D

...and this is cool too... I wonder, which astronaut smuggled all those SOT digital videotapes with him to create that Unsurpassed Masters CD catalogue? The Russian?


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Shift on April 26, 2009, 05:05:55 AM
Have to assume you've read Lewis Shiner's Glimpses, and his fictional recreation of an album that nobody had until he went back in time via his stereo and encouraged Brian to finish it, so he could return back to the present and get a copy, essentially?


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 26, 2009, 05:19:17 AM
Have to assume you've read Lewis Shiner's Glimpses, and his fictional recreation of an album that nobody had until he went back in time via his stereo and encouraged Brian to finish it, so he could return back to the present and get a copy, essentially?

No. I know of the book, but never read it. Is it well-written?


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 26, 2009, 05:45:29 AM
The amusing part of it all is that Shiner didn't hear any of the, ah, 'archive' Smile material until after he'd written the book.  :)

The even more amusing part is that since it was published, I've seen "Free Fall" and "Grand Canyon" included in list of Smile tracks.  ;D


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Shift on April 26, 2009, 06:32:09 AM
Have to assume you've read Lewis Shiner's Glimpses, and his fictional recreation of an album that nobody had until he went back in time via his stereo and encouraged Brian to finish it, so he could return back to the present and get a copy, essentially?

No. I know of the book, but never read it. Is it well-written?

I loved it and its lovely hypothetical reconstruction of the making - and completion - of SMiLE also introduced me to the Doors' Celebration of the Lizard (and therefore the Doors catalogue) and other albums/songs that never happened.

His treatment of Brian Wilson as a person also seems very respectful...

... if only it had all happened that way!


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 26, 2009, 06:44:30 AM
Have to assume you've read Lewis Shiner's Glimpses, and his fictional recreation of an album that nobody had until he went back in time via his stereo and encouraged Brian to finish it, so he could return back to the present and get a copy, essentially?

No. I know of the book, but never read it. Is it well-written?

I loved it and its lovely hypothetical reconstruction of the making - and completion - of SMiLE also introduced me to the Doors' Celebration of the Lizard (and therefore the Doors catalogue) and other albums/songs that never happened.

His treatment of Brian Wilson as a person also seems very respectful...

... if only it had all happened that way!

Well... do you know the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Physics?


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Song Of The Grange on April 26, 2009, 07:51:44 AM
Have to assume you've read Lewis Shiner's Glimpses, and his fictional recreation of an album that nobody had until he went back in time via his stereo and encouraged Brian to finish it, so he could return back to the present and get a copy, essentially?

I thought Shiner actually had some pretty good ideas about the finished Smile.  There is a H&V track floating around on the world wide inter webs (which I never had) that seems to try to replicate Shiner's layout for H&V, starting with the sound of a bicycle and so on.  It threw me off for a long time, I thought it was an authentic mix.  There are things that give it away though, like the use of vocal parts from the Wild Honey versions of Mama Says.  Funny how much I know about this track that has never been in my collection.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Shift on April 26, 2009, 08:32:33 AM
There is a H&V track floating around on the world wide inter webs (which I never had) that seems to try to replicate Shiner's layout for H&V, starting with the sound of a bicycle and so on. ...  Funny how much I know about this track that has never been in my collection.

Sounds fascinating - like just the sort of thing I hope I don't ever have in my collection.

If I'd never had it in my collection, I'd know what you were talking about but I never have so I probably never will. And never might, unless someone who definitely didn't have it could see their way to making sure I don't get it... 

PM, maybe?    ;D


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: Boiled Egg on April 26, 2009, 01:06:08 PM
If a CD that nobody has is played when no one is listening, does it make a noise? ??? ;D

yes, when a 'best of UM16' gets released in january 1967.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Have...
Post by: Dove Nested Towers on April 26, 2009, 11:00:33 PM
If a CD that nobody has is played when no one is listening, does it make a noise? ??? ;D

yes, when a 'best of UM16' gets released in january 1967.

O.K., who's going to volunteer to go back and make it happen? I guess whoever it is would
have to possess the unique empathic and other gifts that Shiner's protagonist possessed (it's been a while since I read it). Never mind.... :-\


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: Dove Nested Towers on April 26, 2009, 11:11:52 PM
If the tape was blank, would you ever know whether either:

a) the experiment proved that there's no sound when there's no-one around to perceive it, or

b) the remote malfunctioned?

Or whether, even, actually, USM 16 doesn't actually exist.

After all, we don't have one... and I sure NASA doesn't either.


With regard to c), whatever is is we're discussing here, the existence of which is questionable,
was, in the original hypothesis, somehow "put into the CD player" aboard the ship. A) or b) are
unquantifiable, but c) would appear to be undeniable, except that how can we be sure of pre-
cisely what "CD", extant or non-, was intended by the experiment to be the source (or non-
source) of the prospective sound reproduction?

Do I have too much time on my hands? Yes. :P


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 26, 2009, 11:43:49 PM
If the tape was blank, would you ever know whether either:

a) the experiment proved that there's no sound when there's no-one around to perceive it, or

b) the remote malfunctioned?

Or whether, even, actually, USM 16 doesn't actually exist.

After all, we don't have one... and I sure NASA doesn't either.


With regard to c), whatever is is we're discussing here, the existence of which is questionable,
was, in the original hypothesis, somehow "put into the CD player" aboard the ship. A) or b) are
unquantifiable, but c) would appear to be undeniable, except that how can we be sure of pre-
cisely what "CD", extant or non-, was intended by the experiment to be the source (or non-
source) of the prospective sound reproduction?

Do I have too much time on my hands? Yes. :P

Since I don't possess said record, which is sad, I can't make any definite statement on the matter. Last night, however, I had a dream. In that dream, I looked into my CD cabinet, and experienced a brief jolt... there, lo and behold, was a CD with a very nice layout, and it called itself: The Beach Boys, SMiLE. It was on some mythical record label, Unsurpassed Masters a.k.a. Sea Of Tunes, and its catalogue number was #16. Now, '16' happens to be my birthday, so the plot thickened. The track listing was quite true to what Brian once intended for his SMiLE project.

But, as we all know, dreams are not real. Or are they?


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Shift on April 27, 2009, 03:17:44 AM
Now, '16' happens to be my birthday, so the plot thickened. The track listing was quite true to what Brian once intended for his SMiLE project.
But, as we all know, dreams are not real. Or are they?

Well, I'd like to rush in and be the first to wish you a happy 16th birthday! Now that is surreal!
 ;D



Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 27, 2009, 03:22:50 AM
Now, '16' happens to be my birthday, so the plot thickened. The track listing was quite true to what Brian once intended for his SMiLE project.
But, as we all know, dreams are not real. Or are they?

Well, I'd like to rush in and be the first to wish you a happy 16th birthday! Now that is surreal!
 ;D



If you look anything like your avatar, you may rush in anytime, darling, whether in fine garments, or in the nude...


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Shift on April 27, 2009, 11:29:36 AM
If that was me in the avatar, honey, I'd be around 120 years old and post-op.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: Dove Nested Towers on April 27, 2009, 01:29:14 PM
If the tape was blank, would you ever know whether either:

a) the experiment proved that there's no sound when there's no-one around to perceive it, or

b) the remote malfunctioned?

Or whether, even, actually, USM 16 doesn't actually exist.

After all, we don't have one... and I sure NASA doesn't either.


With regard to c), whatever is is we're discussing here, the existence of which is questionable,
was, in the original hypothesis, somehow "put into the CD player" aboard the ship. A) or b) are
unquantifiable, but c) would appear to be undeniable, except that how can we be sure of pre-
cisely what "CD", extant or non-, was intended by the experiment to be the source (or non-
source) of the prospective sound reproduction?

Do I have too much time on my hands? Yes. :P

Since I don't possess said record, which is sad, I can't make any definite statement on the matter. Last night, however, I had a dream. In that dream, I looked into my CD cabinet, and experienced a brief jolt... there, lo and behold, was a CD with a very nice layout, and it called itself: The Beach Boys, SMiLE. It was on some mythical record label, Unsurpassed Masters a.k.a. Sea Of Tunes, and its catalogue number was #16. Now, '16' happens to be my birthday, so the plot thickened. The track listing was quite true to what Brian once intended for his SMiLE project.

But, as we all know, dreams are not real. Or are they?

I'm assuming that your birthday falls ON the 16th, Heartical, or are you just precocious? Lucid dreaming
is a precious gift, the realism is just amazing.... :o


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 27, 2009, 11:45:13 PM
If the tape was blank, would you ever know whether either:

a) the experiment proved that there's no sound when there's no-one around to perceive it, or

b) the remote malfunctioned?

Or whether, even, actually, USM 16 doesn't actually exist.

After all, we don't have one... and I sure NASA doesn't either.


With regard to c), whatever is is we're discussing here, the existence of which is questionable,
was, in the original hypothesis, somehow "put into the CD player" aboard the ship. A) or b) are
unquantifiable, but c) would appear to be undeniable, except that how can we be sure of pre-
cisely what "CD", extant or non-, was intended by the experiment to be the source (or non-
source) of the prospective sound reproduction?

Do I have too much time on my hands? Yes. :P

Since I don't possess said record, which is sad, I can't make any definite statement on the matter. Last night, however, I had a dream. In that dream, I looked into my CD cabinet, and experienced a brief jolt... there, lo and behold, was a CD with a very nice layout, and it called itself: The Beach Boys, SMiLE. It was on some mythical record label, Unsurpassed Masters a.k.a. Sea Of Tunes, and its catalogue number was #16. Now, '16' happens to be my birthday, so the plot thickened. The track listing was quite true to what Brian once intended for his SMiLE project.

But, as we all know, dreams are not real. Or are they?

I'm assuming that your birthday falls ON the 16th, Heartical, or are you just precocious? Lucid dreaming
is a precious gift, the realism is just amazing.... :o

Yes, dear friend. Although I wish that I could be 16 again, it is indeed the case that my bday falls on the 16th of January, to be precise. Oh, and yes, my dreams always are quite lucid. I often dreamt about Beach Boys music and heard unknown stuff in my brain, but after waking up I could not for the life of me hum again what I heard in my sleep.
Strangest dream: I am on a beach, alone. Then, out of the sky, Van Morrison comes along, in a giant air balloon. He lands, says nothing, but throws an orange basketball in my direction. And then he disappears again.

What am I to make of that?


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Shift on April 28, 2009, 02:37:19 AM
That Van the Man is carried by hot air, but only delivers balls*?

I used to dream of walking into a shop to find hundreds of BBs' albums I'd not seen before. I always awoke before I got to the check-out so don't know how I managed to afford them.


* This is not a personal opinion, merely one of many possible interpretations of a dream.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 28, 2009, 03:10:02 AM
That Van the Man is carried by hot air, but only delivers balls*?

I used to dream of walking into a shop to find hundreds of BBs' albums I'd not seen before. I always awoke before I got to the check-out so don't know how I managed to afford them.


* This is not a personal opinion, merely one of many possible interpretations of a dream.

That is a lovely dream! Reminds me of a comic strip I have. It is about a fan of TinTin (I am one too, BTW) who thinks he knows all there is... and then in a secondhand book store finds a copy of 'TinTin And The Green Emerald' (which does not exist in reality, of course). Immediately he sees it is a genuine Hergé book...


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: buddhahat on April 28, 2009, 04:50:09 AM
I am not listening to UM 16 RIGHT NOW (on account of placing it in a forest near a falling tree and then running away very fast).

From what I can only imagine is playing - the sound is very clear, and there are some weird mixes of the tracks. Presumably the CIFOTM mix is a fan edit. I love that weird sort of staccato Child bridge. Wish there was a Brian 66 mix of Child that featured it.

The other thing that I've always pondered is what the deal is with the different sax riff at the end of OMP. The UM16 version has a longer more fiddly version than the more well known one. I wonder which is the version that Brian planned to use?


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 28, 2009, 06:12:36 AM
I am not listening to UM 16 RIGHT NOW (on account of placing it in a forest near a falling tree and then running away very fast).

From what I can only imagine is playing - the sound is very clear, and there are some weird mixes of the tracks. Presumably the CIFOTM mix is a fan edit. I love that weird sort of staccato Child bridge. Wish there was a Brian 66 mix of Child that featured it.

The other thing that I've always pondered is what the deal is with the different sax riff at the end of OMP. The UM16 version has a longer more fiddly version than the more well known one. I wonder which is the version that Brian planned to use?

Good call. On several occasions, whilst not playing said CD, I wondered about these things myself, but you make me pay more attention. Tonight, when I am not playing that record, I won't scrutinize it carefully for these non-topics.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Shift on April 28, 2009, 06:31:40 AM
The other thing that I've always pondered is what the deal is with the different sax riff at the end of OMP. The UM16 version has a longer more fiddly version than the more well known one. I wonder which is the version that Brian planned to use?

I reckon Brian's choice would have been for the version we knew before USM didn't come out. Not sure, but wasn't that older version from an acetate that married it with YAMS and False Barnyard?

I love SMiLE as much as the next middle-aged beer-bellied bloke in a Hawaiian shirt but could never call myself a knowledgeable scholar with regards to its intricacies and the sources of the various versions.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 28, 2009, 06:35:40 AM
The other thing that I've always pondered is what the deal is with the different sax riff at the end of OMP. The UM16 version has a longer more fiddly version than the more well known one. I wonder which is the version that Brian planned to use?

I reckon Brian's choice would have been for the version we knew before USM didn't come out. Not sure, but wasn't that older version from an acetate that married it with YAMS and False Barnyard?

I love SMiLE as much as the next middle-aged beer-bellied bloke in a Hawaiian shirt but could never call myself a knowledgeable scholar with regards to its intricacies and the sources of the various versions.

Must you mention me in every post?


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Shift on April 28, 2009, 06:48:48 AM
The other thing that I've always pondered is what the deal is with the different sax riff at the end of OMP. The UM16 version has a longer more fiddly version than the more well known one. I wonder which is the version that Brian planned to use?

I reckon Brian's choice would have been for the version we knew before USM didn't come out. Not sure, but wasn't that older version from an acetate that married it with YAMS and False Barnyard?

I love SMiLE as much as the next middle-aged beer-bellied bloke in a Hawaiian shirt but could never call myself a knowledgeable scholar with regards to its intricacies and the sources of the various versions.

Must you mention me in every post?

As Ringo once sang:

"You're 16, you're Heartical, and you're a middle-aged beer-bellied bloke in an Hawaiian shirt..."




Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 28, 2009, 07:02:38 AM
The other thing that I've always pondered is what the deal is with the different sax riff at the end of OMP. The UM16 version has a longer more fiddly version than the more well known one. I wonder which is the version that Brian planned to use?

I reckon Brian's choice would have been for the version we knew before USM didn't come out. Not sure, but wasn't that older version from an acetate that married it with YAMS and False Barnyard?

I love SMiLE as much as the next middle-aged beer-bellied bloke in a Hawaiian shirt but could never call myself a knowledgeable scholar with regards to its intricacies and the sources of the various versions.

Must you mention me in every post?

As Ringo once sang:

"You're 16, you're Heartical, and you're a middle-aged beer-bellied bloke in an Hawaiian shirt..."




 :hat --->  :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Shift on April 28, 2009, 07:20:25 AM
AN APOLOGY...

Can I just apologise to the folks who have very kindly offered to burn me a copy of USM 16. I'm sure the Don might have had similar offers for which he is similarly grateful.

Just to clarify: I am not in need of a copy of USM/SoT 16.

The Don and I are very aware that when speaking about such unofficial releases, it's important to make it understood to the people from the official world of BBs' and BW, who might drop by this board from time to time, that we do not condone the existence of such naughty products, released by unofficial means and similarly we don't condone their ownership.

This is, effectively us talking in disguise. While we claim not to have such discs, we might. Obviously we don't, but in claiming not to have, it doesn't mean that we do not. Not necessarily. Chances are that we might, but to all intents and purposes, for the purposes of communicating on this board, we don't.

Let's face it, the Don's a mere lad of 16 and is barely old enough to remember the USMs being released. I'm a middle-aged beer-bellied bloke in a Hawaiian shirt and though I am old enough to remember them coming out – the excitement of opening the Royal Mail posting parcels, taking them out one by one (all 57 discs, you know what I mean?) opening the cases to see which number of the limited edition I had, fondling the slip-cases before heading for my hi-fi CD player and slipping into ecstasy as that unbelievable music came out of the speakers – I don't, obviously, because I wouldn't condone such behaviour and certainly wouldn't allude to it on a public forum such as this.

I hope that's cleared things up, but in such a veiled manner as to keep the Feds and BRI off my back for a while.


Title: Re: A Record None Of Us Has...
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 28, 2009, 07:36:15 AM
AN APOLOGY...

Can I just apologise to the folks who have very kindly offered to burn me a copy of USM 16. I'm sure the Don might have had similar offers for which he is similarly grateful.

Just to clarify: I am not in need of a copy of USM/SoT 16.

The Don and I are very aware that when speaking about such unofficial releases, it's important to make it understood to the people from the official world of BBs' and BW, who might drop by this board from time to time, that we do not condone the existence of such naughty products, released by unofficial means and similarly we don't condone their ownership.

This is, effectively us talking in disguise. While we claim not to have such discs, we might. Obviously we don't, but in claiming not to have, it doesn't mean that we do not. Not necessarily. Chances are that we might, but to all intents and purposes, for the purposes of communicating on this board, we don't.

Let's face it, the Don's a mere lad of 16 and is barely old enough to remember the USMs being released; while I'm a middle-aged beer-bellied bloke in a Hawaiian shirt, I am old enough to remember them coming out – the excitement of opening the Royal Mail posting parcels, taking them out one by one (all 57 discs, you know what I mean?) opening the cases to see which number of the limited edition I had, fondling the slip-cases before heading for my hi-fi CD player and slipping into ecstasy as that unbelievable music came out of the speakers – I don't obviously, because I wouldn't condone such behaviour and certainly wouldn't allude to it on a public forum such as this.

I hope that's cleared things up, but in such a veiled manner as to keep the Feds and BRI off my back for a while.


It is a good thing that there still are such upright and law-abiding citizens around as Wee Helper. I mean - where would the world go if anyone just produced or bought illicit recorded material of artists much in demand? As much as I would like to hear every single split second ever sung by my all time heroes, there's this angel whispering in my ear... 'don't do dat, Don!'.

But I found a way out of the dilemma at hand. Before going to sleep, I meditate and levitate. I pray that the desired music will pop up in my dreams. And hey presto! My sleep, my dreams have become an alternate reality, in which I can saunter to my CD racks, and grab just any beautiful slightly unreal record off the shelf and play it to my heart's content.

So there: it IS possible to discuss records that I don't have and never bought...