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Title: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: chris.metcalfe on April 07, 2009, 09:39:40 AM
The Beatles Official Newsletter

7th April 2009

We are delighted to announce the release of the original Beatles
catalogue, which has been digitally re-mastered for the first time, for
worldwide CD release on Wednesday, September 9, 2009 (09-09-09), the same
date as the release of the widely anticipated "The Beatles: Rock Band"
video game.

Each of the CDs is packaged with replicated original UK album art,
including expanded booklets containing original and newly written liner
notes and rare photos. For a limited period, each CD will also be
embedded with a brief documentary film about the album. On the same
date, two new Beatles boxed CD collections will also be released.

The albums have been re-mastered by a dedicated team of engineers at
EMI's Abbey Road Studios in London over a four year period utilising
state of the art recording technology alongside vintage studio
equipment, carefully maintaining the authenticity and integrity of the
original analogue recordings. The result of this painstaking process is
the highest fidelity the catalogue has seen since its original release.

The collection comprises all 12 Beatles albums in stereo, with track
listings and artwork as originally released in the UK, and 'Magical
Mystery Tour,' which became part of The Beatles' core catalogue when the
CDs were first released in 1987. In addition, the collections 'Past
Masters Vol. I and II' are now combined as one title, for a total of 14
titles over 16 discs. This will mark the first time that the first four
Beatles albums will be available in stereo in their entirety on compact
disc. These 14 albums, along with a DVD collection of the documentaries,
will also be available for purchase together in a stereo boxed set.

Within each CD's new packaging, booklets include detailed historical
notes along with informative recording notes. With the exception of the
'Past Masters' set, newly produced mini-documentaries on the making of
each album, directed by Bob Smeaton, are included as QuickTime files on
each album. The documentaries contain archival footage, rare photographs
and never-before-heard studio chat from The Beatles, offering a unique
and very personal insight into the studio atmosphere.

A second boxed set has been created with the collector in mind. 'The
Beatles in Mono' gathers together, in one place, all of the Beatles
recordings that were mixed for a mono release. It will contain 10 of the
albums with their original mono mixes, plus two further discs of mono
masters (covering similar ground to the stereo tracks on 'Past
Masters'). As an added bonus, the mono "Help!" and "Rubber Soul" discs
also include the original 1965 stereo mixes, which have not been
previously released on CD. These albums will be packaged in mini-vinyl
CD replicas of the original sleeves with all original inserts and label
designs retained.

Discussions regarding the digital distribution of the catalogue will
continue. There is no further information available at this time.

© Apple Corps 2009 .


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: SG7 on April 07, 2009, 09:45:34 AM
About freaking time!!!!!


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on April 07, 2009, 10:13:52 AM
So now i know what i'm going to be listening to in september, october, november..... ::)


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Fun Is In on April 07, 2009, 10:27:38 AM
Lots of tantalizing product to look forward to.  Definitely about time.

I hope it's closer to "Yellow Sub Songtrack" than to the soul-less "Let It Be....Nuked" (pun intended).


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Dr. Tim on April 07, 2009, 10:29:57 AM
If I read this right, one of the "ten albums" originally issued in mono is the White Album, which came out in mono in Europe and for years was a hard-to-find piece of vinyl.   Assuming it's to be included in the "mono box set", that will be a great addition to the digital world, as the mono mix is strikingly different in many ways from the version everyone's heard over the years.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: The Shift on April 07, 2009, 10:52:21 AM
Veeery surprised to see they're coming out on CD only. With the advent of Blu-Ray, I expected to see a Blu-Ray release akin to Neil Young's Archives series (if that ever arrives!).

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The result of this painstaking process is the highest fidelity the catalogue has seen since its original release
... says the release. But it would appear the sound could be even better with Blu-Ray.

Anyone expert enough to offer enlightenment? Maybe there'll be a Blu-Ray release a few months later?


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: P.J. on April 07, 2009, 11:08:27 AM
Veeery surprised to see they're coming out on CD only. With the advent of Blu-Ray, I expected to see a Blu-Ray release akin to Neil Young's Archives series (if that ever arrives!).

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The result of this painstaking process is the highest fidelity the catalogue has seen since its original release
... says the release. But it would appear the sound could be even better with Blu-Ray.

Anyone expert enough to offer enlightenment? Maybe there'll be a Blu-Ray release a few months later?
!Sarcasm Alert! So what are you trying to say?  ;D



Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Bean Bag on April 07, 2009, 12:51:46 PM
This sounds awesome!  The packaging looks dynamite!!  Congrats to all involved.  Looks beautiful.  Hopefully they sound good.  (I was very happy with the American-version boxsets).

I'd re-buy all the Beach Boys albums if they were done like this.  Each album in a nice, true-to-the-original package.  Similar to POB.  No plastic.  And two discs...bonus disc would include new/different/stereo mixes, single mixes, other bonus material.

Each album...Surfin' Safari, Surfin USA, Surfer Girl....each one two discs.  No more twofers.  ...straight through BB'85.  I'd buy 'em.  Good mastering.... F-yeah.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Awesoman on April 07, 2009, 01:13:21 PM
This sounds awesome!  The packaging looks dynamite!!  Congrats to all involved.  Looks beautiful.  Hopefully they sound good.  (I was very happy with the American-version boxsets).

I'd re-buy all the Beach Boys albums if they were done like this.  Each album in a nice, true-to-the-original package.  Similar to POB.  No plastic.  And two discs...bonus disc would include new/different/stereo mixes, single mixes, other bonus material.

Each album...Surfin' Safari, Surfin USA, Surfer Girl....each one two discs.  No more twofers.  ...straight through BB'85.  I'd buy 'em.  Good mastering.... F-yeah.


I'd love to see this too, but it seems very unlikely this will happen for the Beach Boys.  Maybe a couple of albums could get this treatment.  The Lord knows with all the endless Pet Sounds releases they certainly could spend a little time on the group's other work. 


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: The Shift on April 07, 2009, 01:44:23 PM
Veeery surprised to see they're coming out on CD only. With the advent of Blu-Ray, I expected to see a Blu-Ray release akin to Neil Young's Archives series (if that ever arrives!).

Quote
The result of this painstaking process is the highest fidelity the catalogue has seen since its original release
... says the release. But it would appear the sound could be even better with Blu-Ray.

Anyone expert enough to offer enlightenment? Maybe there'll be a Blu-Ray release a few months later?
!Sarcasm Alert! So what are you trying to say?  ;D


No real sarcasm intended, just surprised that they've elected to use yesterday's technology. I'm not a Blu-Ray advocate, can't afford it yet. But only one format? No Blu-Ray, not even DVD-A, or  SACD? I am genuinely surprised.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: donald on April 07, 2009, 02:10:37 PM
This works out well for me in terms of timing.  I was  about to replace a few of my Beatles CD's due to wear over the many years.  I can wait till fall and replace the whole lot!


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: chris.metcalfe on April 08, 2009, 02:18:47 AM
Veeery surprised to see they're coming out on CD only. With the advent of Blu-Ray, I expected to see a Blu-Ray release akin to Neil Young's Archives series (if that ever arrives!).

Quote
The result of this painstaking process is the highest fidelity the catalogue has seen since its original release
... says the release. But it would appear the sound could be even better with Blu-Ray.

Anyone expert enough to offer enlightenment? Maybe there'll be a Blu-Ray release a few months later?

I'm not an 'expert', but I'll give my view.

They will have been remastered in at least 24/96 - the same level used for the last tranche of BBs CDs, though one might expect the transfers to CD to be better. Taking the Love project as a guide, they will have gone back and probably remixed from the original multi-tracks. Expect the quality to be of the level of the Love album, without the collages.

On the thorny topic of 'other formats than CD', the signs are that EMI/Beatles.com etc have been waiting for a new, possibly online, format to finally take over from CD. For example, some specialist hifi/CD companies are selling USB sticks with 24/96 hi-res files, which can be plugged into suitably enabled hifi equipment, or played via a laptop; and similar files can be downloaded and played via a streamer to the hifi. As far as alternative hi-definition disc formats goes, DVD-A was taken up by Warners and flopped; SACD has been quite successful in the specialist classical and jazz markets, but again not widespread. Bluray is the third generation if you like, and again the interest seems almost entirely AV-orientated, not music. There simply hasn't been any major sea-change in purchasing - apart from MP3, which as we all know is compressed and below CD standard.

Apple were supposed to link up with the Beatles (irony) to provide a download platform, but, and I don't know the details, the deal seems to have fallen through in some way. Beatles / EMI presumably have finally seen sense and decided to finally just put it all out on CD - before their main target audience either dies or goes deaf - with the proviso that other digital formats will follow.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: grillo on April 08, 2009, 07:35:55 AM


They will have been remastered in at least 24/96 - the same level used for the last tranche of BBs CDs, though one might expect the transfers to CD to be better. Taking the Love project as a guide, they will have gone back and probably remixed from the original multi-tracks. Expect the quality to be of the level of the Love album, without the collages.

I'm no Beatles expert or fan. particularly, but I thought there was some deal where NOBODY could EVER remix any of their original albums. Am I wrong again?! :P


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Dr. Tim on April 09, 2009, 11:38:00 AM
These would be remasters of already finished mixes, not a complete remixing from the multi-tracks, so that rule would not be violated here.

Though there have been recent exceptions to the no-remix rule:  for the "Love" mashup discs, new versions of, among other things, "Walrus", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", and a drier "A Day In the Life" were remixed, with cross-talk, count-ins, etc.  And on the reissued Yellow Submarine soundtrack, virtually every song was remixed, and a brand-new stereo mix created for "Only A Northern Song" (sounds good!)


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: paulisdead on April 16, 2009, 09:05:04 AM
Veeery surprised to see they're coming out on CD only. With the advent of Blu-Ray, I expected to see a Blu-Ray release akin to Neil Young's Archives series (if that ever arrives!).

Quote
The result of this painstaking process is the highest fidelity the catalogue has seen since its original release
... says the release. But it would appear the sound could be even better with Blu-Ray.

Anyone expert enough to offer enlightenment? Maybe there'll be a Blu-Ray release a few months later?

I'm not an 'expert', but I'll give my view.

They will have been remastered in at least 24/96 - the same level used for the last tranche of BBs CDs, though one might expect the transfers to CD to be better. Taking the Love project as a guide, they will have gone back and probably remixed from the original multi-tracks. Expect the quality to be of the level of the Love album, without the collages.

Dude! They went one better. Theve been remastered at 24/192!!!!!! (compared to the 16bit/48k of the 1987 digital masters)


This is form the examiner:

"The re-mastering process commenced with an extensive period conducting tests before finally copying the analogue master tapes into the digital medium. When this was completed, the transfer was achieved using a Pro Tools workstation operating at 24 bit 192 kHz resolution via a Prism A-D converter. Transferring was a lengthy procedure done a track at a time. Although EMI tape does not suffer the oxide loss associated with some later analogue tapes, there was nevertheless a slight build up of dust, which was removed from the tape machine heads between each title."

http://www.examiner.com/x-2082-Beatles-Examiner~y2009m4d7-BREAKING-NEWS-EMI-announces-Beatles-remasters-to-be-released-in-September (http://www.examiner.com/x-2082-Beatles-Examiner~y2009m4d7-BREAKING-NEWS-EMI-announces-Beatles-remasters-to-be-released-in-September)

My only major con is that we don't get the "Get Back" book that came with the 'Let It Be' boxset back in 1970. But that's a minor quipple considering we get both Mono and Stereo mixes!!!



Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Bean Bag on May 11, 2009, 07:53:31 AM
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But that's a minor quipple considering we get both Mono and Stereo mixes!!!

I'm not sure, but it looks like the only way to get the original MONO mixes is to get MONO-Box...right?   :o


I hope not...I'd much rather have the mono-mixes-but I don't want to buy all their albums.  I just want Revolver, Abby, Pepper, MM Tour.  Maybe White Album.  The Beatles US Capitol albums box set-series includes both the Stereo AND the Mono on each disc.  I think I might prefer to just stay with that series -- rather than these new remasters.  The Capitol box sets sounds AWESOME (I only have Vol 2).  I just wish they'd release Vol 3.  That's their best stuff, to me.  I can do with out HELP! and that crap.  I want Revolver, etc.

Plus this is the way us Yanks heard the Beatles.  Why convert now?!   ;D


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Seaside Woman on June 30, 2009, 02:56:44 PM
Are there any clues to price for this set?


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Music Machine on July 02, 2009, 07:24:13 PM
I'm not overly happy with the prices for the remasters boxed sets I've seen so far. On the Canadian Amazon site the stereo set is nearly $250 and the mono set is nearly $300.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: cptracks on August 19, 2009, 12:30:06 PM
WHOA! Is this for real?! Finally an official re-release but really it's really going  to cost that much?!  ::) damn are you guys going to buy rockband too? That'll be cool but I don't own rockband only wii lol


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Alex on August 21, 2009, 05:18:01 PM
WHOA! Is this for real?! Finally an official re-release but really it's really going  to cost that much?!  ::) damn are you guys going to buy rockband too? That'll be cool but I don't own rockband only wii lol

I'll buy it when they put out Rock Band: Beach Boys!! For now I'll try (and sometimes fail) at learning BBs songs on a real guitar.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Mahalo on August 21, 2009, 09:30:26 PM
WHOA! Is this for real?! Finally an official re-release but really it's really going  to cost that much?!  ::) damn are you guys going to buy rockband too? That'll be cool but I don't own rockband only wii lol

I'll buy it when they put out Rock Band: Beach Boys!! For now I'll try (and sometimes fail) at learning BBs songs on a real guitar.

video games will be obsolete by the time they even consider that...


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: GoofyJeff on August 27, 2009, 11:53:31 AM
As someone who only really knows the Beatles from the hits played on Oldies stations, I am psyched to get my box sets!    Got a Stereo box on order from Amazon, and Mono on order from Best Buy.   Also have the Anthology DVDs in my Netflix queue.    Less than 2 weeks until Beatles Day!!


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: The Heartical Don on August 28, 2009, 03:46:22 AM
I'd never pay money to obtain music from Beatles Band.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Music Machine on August 31, 2009, 12:13:39 PM
If the Beach Boys were to have any video game tie in it would probably be a Beach Boys edition of Singstar. They could include an expanded edition of Stack-O- Tracks with the game.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Too Much Sugar on September 08, 2009, 03:01:45 AM
So, somehow, a local record store of mine actually had the remastered CD's along with the stereo box set already available, which about stunned me and, not only that, but made me giddy beyond words.  So I went and bought the stereo box set yesterday (9-7-09), and got a pretty cool t-shirt with the Beatles logo and "9-9-09" under it.  Unfortunately, due to other plans, wasn't able to get right down to listening (utter torture, by the way!), but now that I am, I have gone through the first two albums and currently listening to "A Hard Day's Night."  The sound quality really is quite good and, overall, I'm impressed, though, for me, the fun seems to really begin around "A Hard Day's Night" ("And I Love Her" is just utterly beautiful...).  I think some of the reason for that is that the first two albums are mixed to where all the instruments are panned left and the vocals right and I'm having issues trying to get past that, but the actual sound is really good.  Everything is quite clear and pristine and it really does seem as if someone has unmasked these songs, much in the same way it was when I first heard "Pet Sounds" in stereo. 

It's also great to hear Ringo finally really be brought to life on a lot of these songs, where the drums actually sound like drums, as opposed to some noise in the background and it's also pretty cool to hear Paul's bass brought to life on these early albums.  Lots of good things to say here and some pretty interesting surprises in the mix that I don't recall on the other editions, such as Lennon's vocal on the first verse of "If I Fell" being double tracked and other cool, subtle things. 

Sorry for the haphazard review, and I do hope to say a lot more later, but I think, based so far, these remasters will be well received and I can't wait to listen to the other albums.  I also plan to purchase the mono box set and, for those also inclined, I suggest to do it as soon as possible, as I hear that it's going to be a limited edition. 


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 08, 2009, 04:49:17 AM
So, somehow, a local record store of mine actually had the remastered CD's along with the stereo box set already available, which about stunned me and, not only that, but made me giddy beyond words.  So I went and bought the stereo box set yesterday (9-7-09), and got a pretty cool t-shirt with the Beatles logo and "9-9-09" under it.  Unfortunately, due to other plans, wasn't able to get right down to listening (utter torture, by the way!), but now that I am, I have gone through the first two albums and currently listening to "A Hard Day's Night."  The sound quality really is quite good and, overall, I'm impressed, though, for me, the fun seems to really begin around "A Hard Day's Night" ("And I Love Her" is just utterly beautiful...).  I think some of the reason for that is that the first two albums are mixed to where all the instruments are panned left and the vocals right and I'm having issues trying to get past that, but the actual sound is really good.  Everything is quite clear and pristine and it really does seem as if someone has unmasked these songs, much in the same way it was when I first heard "Pet Sounds" in stereo. 

It's also great to hear Ringo finally really be brought to life on a lot of these songs, where the drums actually sound like drums, as opposed to some noise in the background and it's also pretty cool to hear Paul's bass brought to life on these early albums.  Lots of good things to say here and some pretty interesting surprises in the mix that I don't recall on the other editions, such as Lennon's vocal on the first verse of "If I Fell" being double tracked and other cool, subtle things. 

Sorry for the haphazard review, and I do hope to say a lot more later, but I think, based so far, these remasters will be well received and I can't wait to listen to the other albums.  I also plan to purchase the mono box set and, for those also inclined, I suggest to do it as soon as possible, as I hear that it's going to be a limited edition. 

That's good to hear, i'm getting the stereo box later this week.... apparently the instruments-left/vox-right thing is to do with the fact they only recorded them on two track, so that's the only way you'll get a stereo mix out of it :(


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: DSamore on September 08, 2009, 10:39:32 AM
Can't wait to buy these tonight at midnight!  ;D


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Aegir on September 08, 2009, 09:19:33 PM
Geeze, you guys are only hearing the Beatles songs in stereo for the first time? All of their early American releases had a stereo mix, which have been available on CD for a few years now with the Capitol Albums boxsets.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 09, 2009, 04:41:47 AM
Geeze, you guys are only hearing the Beatles songs in stereo for the first time? All of their early American releases had a stereo mix, which have been available on CD for a few years now with the Capitol Albums boxsets.

I'm not sure what you're on about - you could only buy stereo mixes of Beatles stuff (maybe not the early stuff, but certainly everything else) on cd before this, and before the Capitol boxset. Or is it different in the US? (I'm based in Britain).


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Aegir on September 09, 2009, 08:08:44 AM
Until today, Please Please Me, With the Beatles, A Hard Day's Night (UK), and Beatles for Sale were only available on CD in mono.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: pixletwin on September 09, 2009, 08:59:49 AM
Its true many of these albums have been available in stereo since 1990. But these particular new versions have been remastered.. which the 1990 releases weren't.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 09, 2009, 10:21:58 AM
Until today, Please Please Me, With the Beatles, A Hard Day's Night (UK), and Beatles for Sale were only available on CD in mono.

Okay. You did kind of imply that we'd never heard any beatles songs before in stereo, which is a very strange thing to imply.
Those Capitol Albums boxsets seemed to me like a bit of a rip-off, for some reason. Especially since quite a lot of them are duophonic, right?


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: punkinhead on September 09, 2009, 12:51:40 PM
With everything sounding great obviously, I have another compliment which goes with the White Album, some of the tracks now have intros to the songs that used to be the outros to others....like the little guitar lick at the end of Wild Honey Pie is now at the begining of Bungalow Bill...the 'hey all' heard right at the begining of While My Guitar gently Weeps is edited...The begining of Don't Pass Me By has the intro with the wierd piano sound attached to it. Revolution 9 now starts with the conversation heard at the end with Cry Baby Cry (after the 'can you take me back' section which is a little louder).


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 09, 2009, 01:44:36 PM
the 'hey all' heard right at the begining of While My Guitar gently Weeps is edited...

you mean that's gone? i love that!


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: punkinhead on September 09, 2009, 02:24:31 PM
it's right before WMGGW track starts


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 09, 2009, 02:29:35 PM
Oh, i thought you meant it was edited out! On the monos, the end of Helter Skelter is gone, so i was wondering if there were more edits like that.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: paulisdead on September 10, 2009, 03:30:50 AM
So far with listening to headphones this is what I've found:

* The drop-out in the final verse of 'Day Tripper' has been "fixed".

* The crackle on John's scream in "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" has been taken out ( I thought it sounded cooler with the crackle  ).

* That little blip at the start of "Helter Skelter" is also gone.

* Overall on all the CD's the bass is fatter and has a lot more detail to it.

* Clearer sound (esp. on vocals).

* "I Am The Walrus", which must have been heavliy de-noised in 1987, has the tape hiss reinstated which brings back some of the tape bleed. This IMHO makes it sound a lot less choppy. Most of the songs have left the tape noise when a channel is silent, were as the '87 CD's cut this out, leaving dead space (intro to Strawberry Fields is a good example).

* I noticed there wasn't a lot of difference between the CD's that had the '86 remixs (Help! & Rubber Soul) other than being louder than the '87 CD's. The booklet states that they were re-mixed onto digital tape (meaning the mix masters were 44.1k/16 bit  :-[). I can't wait to crack open the mono set to compare.

* I've compared the stereo Please Please Me CD's: Dr. Ebberts with '09 Remasters.

Dr Ebberts is louder but the Remasters win out with clearer sound and better bass.

UPDATE: Another minor thing - both the German songs are now in stereo (in case you were up at nights wondering  ;D).

I'd love to hear what everyone else picks up on.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: mikeyj on September 10, 2009, 04:04:37 AM
I'd love to hear what everyone else picks up on.

Interesting stuff you point out. Things I've noticed (note: I haven't had much of a chance to listen to them) from the stereo box:

*On the title track of Please Please Me, John's first "come on" about 1:30 into the song sounds really "off". And the vocal mix sounds awful (to my ears anyway) about 1:45 into the song. So cluttered and all over the place

*I Should Have Known Better - the harmonica stops and starts in the intro. I've been informed that this is a different mix. But to me it sounds strange because I've only known the other version because my dad's old Beatles CDs are the only way I've heard the Beatles stuff before (and the vinyls but I haven't listened to them much as I mostly listen to stuff on my computer)

But generally I think the sound is a lot clearer, especially - as most people have pointed out - the bass and vocals.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Alf64 on September 10, 2009, 05:06:18 AM
OK, I just bought the Please Please Me CD last night. I am curious about a couple things.

1. Near the end of the song Please Please Me, there is echo on the vocals that wasn't there throughout the song. Was that the original intention of the sound, or an engineering "oops"? I think it would have sounded better without the echo.

2. The booklet states that the stereo versions of Love Me Do and PS I Love you were discarded and they had to use the mono version. That's odd. I have them in stereo on a CD I made a while back.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: mikeyj on September 10, 2009, 05:29:35 AM
1. Near the end of the song Please Please Me, there is echo on the vocals that wasn't there throughout the song. Was that the original intention of the sound, or an engineering "oops"? I think it would have sounded better without the echo.

Yep, that's basically my point as well - where I said "And the vocal mix sounds awful (to my ears anyway) about 1:45 into the song. So cluttered and all over the place"


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: punkinhead on September 10, 2009, 10:14:02 AM
Something I found that i actually kind of dislike is on If I Fell, you can tell John's vocals were double tracked and it sounds kinda echo-y...perhaps that's how it was on the original too, idk.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: LetHimRun on September 10, 2009, 03:41:19 PM
Something I found that i actually kind of dislike is on If I Fell, you can tell John's vocals were double tracked and it sounds kinda echo-y...perhaps that's how it was on the original too, idk.

In the original stereo mix, the vocals are double tracked, but apparently only for the opening lines until the harmonies start.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: mikeyj on September 10, 2009, 07:19:32 PM
Something I found that i actually kind of dislike is on If I Fell, you can tell John's vocals were double tracked and it sounds kinda echo-y...perhaps that's how it was on the original too, idk.

Yeah I've just listened to it now and I agree, it sounds pretty bad. I think that seems to be the problem on some of the earlier stuff - the vocals.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: paulisdead on September 10, 2009, 09:35:02 PM
...2. The booklet states that the stereo versions of Love Me Do and PS I Love you were discarded and they had to use the mono version. That's odd. I have them in stereo on a CD I made a while back.

I'm not sure which source you used (an LP?), the old stereo LMD and PSILY were in "fake" stereo (a la the '66 Pet Sounds - duophonic sound). This means they where the mono mixes that had been EQ'd differently in each stereo channel to make it look as if they were stereo. In short, the new discs are the original mixes without the junk on them.   


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 11, 2009, 03:04:04 AM
To add further confusion, there are two versions of Love Me Do - one with Ringo, and one without. Is one in stereo?


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Christian on September 11, 2009, 04:10:59 AM
To add further confusion, there are two versions of Love Me Do - one with Ringo, and one without. Is one in stereo?

Ringo Starr version: mono only

Andy White version: mono and "fake" stereo versions


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Alf64 on September 11, 2009, 04:47:53 AM
...2. The booklet states that the stereo versions of Love Me Do and PS I Love you were discarded and they had to use the mono version. That's odd. I have them in stereo on a CD I made a while back.

I'm not sure which source you used (an LP?), the old stereo LMD and PSILY were in "fake" stereo (a la the '66 Pet Sounds - duophonic sound). This means they where the mono mixes that had been EQ'd differently in each stereo channel to make it look as if they were stereo. In short, the new discs are the original mixes without the junk on them.   

I got my versions of Love Me do and PS I Love you on-line. (shh) I wanted to make a stereo CD of Beatles tunes I liked. So I deleted ones that weren't. Love me do and PS, both have the vocals in the right channel. Would that still be duophonic?


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 11, 2009, 03:54:12 PM
To add further confusion, there are two versions of Love Me Do - one with Ringo, and one without. Is one in stereo?

Ringo Starr version: mono only

Andy White version: mono and "fake" stereo versions
Ahh. I'm also guessing that a stereo mix doesn't exist on those 'capitol album' things i mentioned earlier in the thread?


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Awesoman on September 12, 2009, 02:17:29 AM
I splurged and ordered the stereo box set off of Amazon.  Came in the mail yesterday.  I'm in heaven.   ;D


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 12, 2009, 03:14:02 AM
I splurged and ordered the stereo box set off of Amazon.  Came in the mail yesterday.  I'm in heaven.   ;D
I hate you. I ordered mine off Play on monday, and it still hasn't arrived yet!  :angry >:(


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Awesoman on September 12, 2009, 02:12:45 PM
I splurged and ordered the stereo box set off of Amazon.  Came in the mail yesterday.  I'm in heaven.   ;D
I hate you. I ordered mine off Play on monday, and it still hasn't arrived yet!  :angry >:(

Well, Amazon.com can be hit or miss regarding the timeliness of the products they ship.  I've ordered stuff from them in the past and had to wait a week or two after the item came out.  This Beatles box set (surprisingly) came to me earlier than their estimated arrival date, which was 9/14.  I wasn't complainin'.


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 12, 2009, 03:15:18 PM
Aye, tis a lottery alright. It probably has something to do with the insane amount of demand.... hopefully it will be here next week, and i can catch up with you guys  :smokin


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Jay on September 13, 2009, 11:51:22 PM
I'm slightly confused. The info on the mono box set says it will have 10 of their albums. Does that mean we are not getting the complete Beatles catalouge in mono, or at least on the mono box set? Also, if you get both the mono and stereo box sets, will there be a need to still get each individual cd? I mean, will the cd's in the stereo and mono sets have the same deluxe packaging? I'm quite obsessive sometimes.... :lol


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 14, 2009, 02:16:34 AM
You don't get Abbey Road, Let It Be or Yellow Submarine in the mono boxset, because they weren't mixed in mono.... as a pittance, i think they give you the 65 stereo mixes of Help and Rubber Soul. As for packaging, i believe the contents of the stereo boxset and single cds are the same, but i cannot speak for the mono. Anyone got this? how is it?


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Jay on September 14, 2009, 07:31:43 PM
You don't get Abbey Road, Let It Be or Yellow Submarine in the mono boxset, because they weren't mixed in mono
Why wouldn't they just mix them in mono for the box set?


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Jay on September 14, 2009, 07:34:27 PM
If I read this right, one of the "ten albums" originally issued in mono is the White Album, which came out in mono in Europe and for years was a hard-to-find piece of vinyl.   Assuming it's to be included in the "mono box set", that will be a great addition to the digital world, as the mono mix is strikingly different in many ways from the version everyone's heard over the years.
I can't wait to finally have a good quality mono mix of Helter Skelter.  :)


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: hypehat on September 15, 2009, 05:35:44 AM
You don't get Abbey Road, Let It Be or Yellow Submarine in the mono boxset, because they weren't mixed in mono
Why wouldn't they just mix them in mono for the box set?

I'm not sure. I guess they want to use the vintage mono mixes for everything, but i do thinik it's a tad rich to charge £80 more for a boxset without every album.

Mine finallly arrived! Listening to Magical Mystery Tour now, it sounds great!  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: cta on September 15, 2009, 06:01:21 AM
Ordered the mono box just to have official complete monos.  That's the good stuff there. 

Heard the stereos over the weekend from a buddy.  Tell you what...the anticipation might make it seem like lobster tails, but the reality is it's a reheated frozen burger at best.  Using the 1987's to 24/96...and taking four years to do it was the red flag that did it for me.  Not even worth the plastic it's pressed on. 







Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Cal on September 16, 2009, 09:21:03 AM
I tell you, I'm just overwhelmed with the everything done to these Beatles albums. The mono box has wonderful packaging, with the CDs in cardboard sleeves with a plastic overwrap (resealable like a Dr. Ebbetts release) and they are easy to remove from the sleeves. Comes with a 40+page booklet.  The stereo discs are in beautiful digipacks with glossy booklets with new liner notes, session info, etc. Classy presentation all around.

The audio is what makes these remasters the talk of the town though. The mono discs are crisp, full of snap and punch. There are times things like a cowbell jumps out at you unexpectedly from a mono recording. Case in point: MONO MASTERS disc #1, "I Call Your Name". Whoa. How'd they do that?  SGT. PEPPER'S rocks harder. The WHITE ALBUM same thng. Stereo PAST MASTERS -  just listen to the opening part of "Thank You Girl" with the hard strumming guitars and pounding drums by Ringo. It will knock you out of your seat. Crank up "Paperback Writer" and you are enwrapped in a rock and roll song that gains power like never before. Guitar jabs on "I Me Mine" from LET IT BE pierce your ear drums. They want to bleed. ABBEY ROAD...the drums. Ringo's drums benefit as well as Paul's bass.  My speakers never heard such bass frequences before. It rattles and I have to turn the bass down! The moog synthesiser isn't muddy. The anvil on "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" feels like a lightning bolt to the brain. I've never heard bongos on "A Hard Day's Night" until I spun the stereo remaster.

This clarity and newfound power to these recordings is remarkable. A hazy layer that always masked these recordings are now gone. It's almost like hearing new mixes...but they're not! They sound like a revitalized band thanks to the wonderful and superb job done by the mastering team. Right now, I'm redescovering them, hearing new anomolies, and detail with such definition that I never expected to hear. I'm now in Abbey Road's Studio 2!

Regards,
Cal aka "Beatle Bob"
:)


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Cal on September 16, 2009, 12:54:29 PM
First week CD sales for the Beatles's remasters in US. From Billboard:

http://www.billboard.com/news/beatles-jay-z-dominate-billboard-charts-1004012340.story#/news/beatles-jay-z-dominate-billboard-charts-1004012340.story

Regards,
Cal aka "Beatle Bob"
:)


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: chris.metcalfe on September 17, 2009, 02:06:30 AM
Apparently in the UK the Beatles CDs have failed to make #1 on the LP chart because of a Best Of by a lady called Vera Lynn (of 'We'll Meet Again'/'Bluebirds over the white cliffs of Dover' fame) - released to coincide with Britain's entry into WW2, 70 years ago 3/9/39.

Shades of '67, where Engelbert Humperdinck kept Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Forever off the #1 single position (at least in the BBC chart - you know, the one that DID have Please Please Me at #1 !!)


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on September 20, 2009, 05:15:20 PM
OK, if you wanna hammer me for being obsessive, go ahead, I deserve it....

So I went to WalMart to pick up a Beatles' remastered CD. Didn't know which one, whichever one struck my fancy. I just wanted to get going on this, get in the flow. They were on sale for $12 or $13, so I was happy about that. But....

THEY COME IN CARDBOARD CASES! NO WAY! WHY??!!

I hate those cardboard sleeves, whatever they're called. They tear, bend, and FADE! What's wrong with jewel cases? Yeah, they can scratch or crack, but they preserve the product (including cover) better than those cardboard things. This is Summer In Paradise crap!. Are these remasters eventually gonna come out on jewel cases?


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Alex on September 22, 2009, 11:44:17 AM
OK, if you wanna hammer me for being obsessive, go ahead, I deserve it....

So I went to WalMart to pick up a Beatles' remastered CD. Didn't know which one, whichever one struck my fancy. I just wanted to get going on this, get in the flow. They were on sale for $12 or $13, so I was happy about that. But....

THEY COME IN CARDBOARD CASES! NO WAY! WHY??!!

I hate those cardboard sleeves, whatever they're called. They tear, bend, and FADE! What's wrong with jewel cases? Yeah, they can scratch or crack, but they preserve the product (including cover) better than those cardboard things. This is Summer In Paradise crap!. Are these remasters eventually gonna come out on jewel cases?

You mean digipaks? I didn't know SIP came in one of those...I didn't even think cardboard digipaks were used for CDs back in 1992!


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Cal on September 22, 2009, 11:54:30 AM
Apparently in the UK the Beatles CDs have failed to make #1 on the LP chart because of a Best Of by a lady called Vera Lynn (of 'We'll Meet Again'/'Bluebirds over the white cliffs of Dover' fame) - released to coincide with Britain's entry into WW2, 70 years ago 3/9/39.

Shades of '67, where Engelbert Humperdinck kept Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Forever off the #1 single position (at least in the BBC chart - you know, the one that DID have Please Please Me at #1 !!)

Yeah but many fail to point out the Beatles re-released their ENTIRE catalog of albums at once:  Stereo albums available individually and in a box set, PLUS a mono box set. I think these would tally up to more than Vera Lynn's total for her release being #1. I'm sure if the Beatles released one title at a time, each and everyone would top out at #1 in the UK and US.

Regards,
Cal aka "Beatle Bob"
:)


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: Cal on September 22, 2009, 11:58:02 AM
USA ALBUM CHARTS...BEATLEMANIA 2.0!

From Billboard:

- 626,000 units detected by Soundscan (up from 21,000 in the previous frame)

- prior to last week, The Beatles' 2009 sales total stood at 635,000

- YTD total now stands at 1,261,000. Total 2008 sales were 1,393,000

- The Beatles have never sold less than 1m per annum in the Soundscan era

Abbey Road 89,000
Sgt. Pepper 74,000
The Beatles 60,000
Rubber Soul 58,000
Revolver 46,000
Help! 39,000
Let It Be 32,000
Past Masters Vols I & II 31,000
Magical Mystery Tour 30,000
A Hard Day's Night 29,000
The Beatles in Stereo 26,000
Please Please Me 23,000
With The Beatles 22,000
Beatles For Sale 21,000
Yellow Submarine 14,000
The Beatles in Mono 12,000

Billboard 200(New Albums)Probably 2 of the Best - Charting Mega Boxes of All Time!

15 The Beatles in Stereo
40 The Beatles in Mono

Comprehensive Albums chart - Top 10(All Albums)5 Top Ten Albums!

3. Abbey Road
5. Sgt. Pepper
7. The Beatles
8. Rubber Soul
10. Revolver

Top Pop Catalog chart - Top 10(Older Albums) 9/10 Top Ten Albums!

1. Abbey Road
2. Sgt. Pepper
3. The Beatles
4. Rubber Soul
5. Revolver
7. Help!
8. Let It Be
9. Past Masters Vols I & II
10. Magical Mystery Tour

(Michael Jackson's "Number Ones" is the sole other title in the Pop Catalog top 10.)




UK ALBUM CHARTS (09-19-09)

RANK/PREVIOUS WK/ALBUM/ARTIST

1 (2) We'll Meet Again - Vera Lynn

5 (-) Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 17,830
6 (-) Abbey Road 16,507
9 (-) Revolver 14,568
10 (-) Rubber Soul 13,203
21 (-) The Beatles 8,532
24 (-) The Beatles In Stereo 7,671
29 (-) Help 6,150
31 (-) Past Masters 5,748
33 (-) Magical Mystery Tour 5,568
37 (-) A Hard Day's Night 5,528
38 (-) Please Please Me 5,106
49 (-) Let It Be 3,993
51 (-) With The Beatles 3,909
54 (99) 1 3,418
56 (-) Beatles For Sale 3,390
57 (-) The Beatles In Mono 3,305
89 (-) Yellow Submarine 2,043

126,469 ALBUMS SOLD IN 4 DAYS

16 TOP 60 ALBUMS = NEW RECORD

The BEATLES' Stereo (14 Albums) and MONO (10 Albums) Boxes were only counted as 1 sale per box (for chart purposes).
stereo box = 7671 x 14 = 107,394 albums
mono box = 3305 x 10 = 33,050 albums



Thanks to Zeus555.

UK ALBUM CHARTS 09-19-09 CONGRATULATIONS FABS!

BEATLES UK CHART RECORDS IN THE CHART OF W/E 19th SEPTEMBER:

THE FIRST GROUP TO HAVE 4 TOP 10 ALBUMS IN THE SAME CHART

1) They are the first Group - ever - to have 4 Top 10 Albums, in the same Week.
The only other Act to manage 4 - or more - was Michael Jackson - earlier in 2009.
He had 5 Top 10 Albums in the Chart of W/E 11th July. Then 6 in the W/E 18th July
Chart. Then 5 in the W/E 25th July Chart. (Until 2009, no Act had ever managed more
than 3 Top 10 Albums at once).

THE FIRST GROUP SINCE 1967 TO HAVE MORE THAN TWO TOP 10 ALBUMS AT ONCE:,

2) The last time, (by a Group), was just over 42 Years ago:,

THE MONKEES

W/E 15th July 1967

No.2 - HEADQUARTERS
No.4 - MORE OF THE MONKEES
No.6 - THE MONKEES

Only 10 Acts have ever managed it. Until now, The Beatles had yet to achieve it.

The only other Groups to manage 3 Top 10 Albums -
George Mitchell Minstrels, (3 Weeks - 1962 - 1963),
The Shadows, (9 Weeks - 1963), The Beach Boys, (2
Weeks - 1966), & The Monkees, (1 Week - 1967).

THE MOST TOP 60 ALBUMS BY THE SAME ACT

3) Elvis Presley had a record 14 Top 60 Albums in the Chart of W/E 10th September 1977.
(3 of them in the Top 10). The Beatles have now beaten that. They have 16 Albums in the
current Top 60. (Michael Jackson had 9 Top 60 Albums in the Charts of W/E 18th July,
(all Top 20), W/E 25th July, (all Top 40), W/E 1st August, (all Top 50), W/E 8th August,
(all Top 50), & W/E 15th August, (all Top 60 - 11 in the Top 75, that Week)


Regards,
Cal aka "Beatle Bob"
:)


Title: Re: Beatles remasters 09/09/09
Post by: cptracks on September 24, 2009, 09:06:24 PM
Beatles rule!!!! I love ABBEY ROAD!!!! but I hate it how there are few songs that are like less than 2 minutes long and it gets abruptly cut...it doesn't transition well to the next song  ???