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Is there any evidence as to when it was recorded - at least which year? 

Is it even clear that this is in fact a BB/BW Smile-era recording?  To my ears, it really doesn't sound like anything else he or they ever put to tape, for Smile or otherwise. 

All I know is that I've heard the track called by two names: "Doves of Free" and "Indian Wisdom"

Nothing is known save what can be deduced from the tape itself. I believe that the only reason for linking it to Smile at all is that it originally surfaced on the same tape as the 'cornucopia' "Vega-Tables".

... and of course, "Indian Wisdom" as a legit Smile track or title is right up there in the credibility stakes alongside Remember The Zoo.  ;D

Maybe it's in the same category as "Here Come de Honey Man."

What is this track? I'm sure I have it somewhere. Can someone describe it please?!

It's got Spanish/Middle Eastern-style guitar and organ.

I thought that was a Carl song...? Maybe one of the things he and Denny were working on for the revamped SMiLE of late '67? All conjecture of course.

Carl did Tones, which is on Secret SMiLE, and Dennis did I Don't Know, which is not in circulation.

Tones is superb! Wasn't Mona Kani Dennis' contribution?

Mon Kani is a 20/20 outtake.

It sounds like a SMiLE piece to me. The only Smiley Smile song that it resembles is "Gettin' Hungry". Whatever it is, I like it. Let's ask Brian what it is. :o

I've been looking for a download of this song. Thanks for the tip.  ;)

According to, I believe, Alan Boyd, the "unknown instrumental" is actually a Friends recording.

Wasn't that "Here Come de Honeydew Man" an atmospheric Miles Davis fragment that masqueraded as a Smile track (Holidays) on the earliest boot from the mid-eighties? ???

that makes sense

That's what I've read.  It's actually "Honey Man,"  though.  No "dew."

It was. Actually it's 'Here Come De Honey Man' from Davis' 'Porgy And Bess', which he did with arranger Gil Evans. It is a superb orchestral jazz album, and available for silly money. I think that many a 'SMiLE' fan would love 'Miles Ahead' from the same period too. Pure gold. Get the remastered versions with bonus tracks and have your mind blown, whatever.

Can you point out which disc this is on? I've several Unknown Instrumentals or Untitled Instrumentals in my collection and aren't sure which is being referred to here.

I think that Miles Davis song was also the "Untitled Instrumental" from Get the Boot 2.

I think it's on Secret Smile, and probably at least one or two others.

It sounds like it could be from the movie Dr. Zhivago. Whatever the name of the instrument in that movie is called. I'm pretty sure it isn't a Carl or Dennis track, because it sounds like Brian counting in at the beginning. I don't know where Doves of Free title comes from  ???

I'm pretty sure that I just heard the track being discussed in this thread. It's the one with the keyboard sounding instrument doing a scale-like progression, right? Is it just me, or is this basically the melody for Stevie? Listen to the instrumental track, and sing the first verse of Stevie, syncopated.

So this spanish guitar instrumental appears on the March Vegetables tape?  The March comp reel includes the “cornucopia” track(Secret Smile), a piano and group vocal Child is Father of the Man section(SOT), and the March 3 a capella “I know that you’ll feel better” ending. This tape was in the BB archive during the Boyd vault search.  I thought Alan never could locate the spanish guitar instrumental though.

Or was this "leaked" along with the cornucopia Vegetables, and we don't know if they are from the same source tape or not?

If it was on the March tape, it seems likely it was recorded either for Heroes, Vegetables, or a Bside to one of those since those two were the single condidates at the time.

No, I meant it first appeared in the collector's world on the same tape, not it was on the same comp reel.

I have very good reason to believe that the track in question was recorded 3/26/68, during the Friends sessions.

The board's very own Sherlock Holmes solves yet another one!  ;D

With a considerable assist from a good friend.

Dr. Watson? Elementary!

Anybody know what Friend's songs, if any, they were working on that day?

Darn it, now I have to find a new intro to "Heroes And Villains" for my SMiLE mix....

Same session as "Even Steven". According to a certain website.  ::)

'Tones' on Secret Smile sounds vaguely Friends-orientated to me. But I guess this is definitely a Smile track. (?)

Ditto

Actually, it's definitely not a Smile track.  It was a Carl production that has no known connection to Smile except the time period.