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Title: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 03, 2008, 08:15:48 PM I was looking at Eric's Beach Boys Setlist Archive website today, and I noticed something. For the 9/1/77 Central Park show, there is a message after Surfer Girl that says "Massacred by Brian". I was just wondering, does anybody here know what he did?
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 03, 2008, 09:51:04 PM There's an excellent quality tape, taken from a stereo FM broadcast. Let's just say... not Brian's best-ever rendition of the song.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jon Stebbins on December 03, 2008, 09:51:36 PM He sang it horribly, which he would often do during those days. In My Room could be even worse.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Dutchie on December 04, 2008, 12:18:27 PM yea just listning. He really srews up. Singing it like a doo wop song :lol and he seems to think its funny because he laughs a lot ;)
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: c-man on December 04, 2008, 06:47:19 PM yea just listning. He really srews up. Singing it like a doo wop song :lol and he seems to think its funny because he laughs a lot ;) I like when he would sing "God Only Knows" in a Mickey Mouse voice. Or when he would bellow his way through "Sloop John B." like a very bad cabaret singer. And when I say I "like" it, that doesn't mean I think it was good...if you know what I mean... Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Sheriff John Stone on December 04, 2008, 07:18:07 PM When I hear the Central Park show, I hear a band that so much wanted Brian to contribute, to be a vital part of the show, to succeed. Brian lost some weight, had his hair cut, and played bass for some of the songs. He has a few leads, including some Love You-performed songs. And Brian does sound somewhat enthused. I'm assuming the guys were disappointed, but couldn't show it, and, perhaps traded the diminished quality of the performance for just having Brian "back".
By the way, we all know what happened right after that show.... Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 04, 2008, 07:18:53 PM Looking at the notes written for each of the 1977 shows, it seems as thought Brian's performances from that period were very erratic, at best. It almost seems like he was a different person from day to day.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 04, 2008, 07:27:22 PM Quote from: Sheriff John Stone link=topic=6475.msg104203#msg104203 date=1228447087 By the way, we all know what happened right after that show.... [/quote Everybody, it seems, but me. What happened? Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Sheriff John Stone on December 04, 2008, 07:52:19 PM Quote from: Sheriff John Stone link=topic=6475.msg104203#msg104203 date=1228447087 By the way, we all know what happened right after that show.... [/quote Everybody, it seems, but me. What happened? This is from memory, from some book I read years ago, so don't quote me.... :) After the concert, at the airport, as the jets were ready to take off (back to California?), an argument broke out between Dennis and Mike & Al. There was literally a tug-of-war over Brian, and which airplane (and group) he would travel with. Dennis wanted Brian to travel with he and Carl; Mike wanted Brian with he and Al. There was a lot of shouting and insults flung, and, in the end, I guess Brian ended up with Mike and Al. Dennis, who was infuriated, said something like, and I'm paraphrasing, "Today is the day The Beach Boys broke up. And I'll remember this day, because it happened on Al Jardine's birthday". Unfortunately, there was a Rolling Stone reporter hanging around, who reported the whole mess in the next edition of the magazine. Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 04, 2008, 08:05:51 PM I've read that too. I think it came from the Heroes and Villians book. I didn't realise that the group were touring at the time. I thought that they were just landing, with a tour being a few days/weeks away. I wonder how much of their anger was coming from a poor performance?
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: MBE on December 04, 2008, 08:42:30 PM It was a night or two after the Central Park show.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 15, 2009, 01:46:01 AM I thought I would bring this topic back, since I happen to be listening to this very show right now. Yes, Brian's performance isn't that great. But Carl's is even worse. Feel Flows is performed very vell, musically, but I don't think Carl sang a single sentence of correct lyric. ;D He seems fairly tanked. Not as bad as he would get the next year, but getting there.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Rocker on December 15, 2009, 04:53:57 AM Does anybody have that Rolling Stone-article?
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: KokoMoses on December 16, 2009, 04:31:42 PM I have a soundboard of the show and yeah, all the above comments are correct, but the Love You stuff really rocks!
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: urbanite on December 16, 2009, 08:26:15 PM I think this show was around 8/16/77 and was broadcast live by WNEW and introed by Pete Fornatela. Wasn't that the day Elvis died?
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 16, 2009, 08:36:05 PM I have a soundboard of the show and yeah, all the above comments are correct, but the Love You stuff really rocks! Back Home, Roller Skating Child, and It's Ok really kicked butt live! ;D I wish they had kept them in the set list longer. Especially since Brian went back to occasionally playing bass and being more up front in around 1983. Back Home would have been a nice change of pace. It's still a generic blues/rock song, but it's fun. :)Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: KokoMoses on December 16, 2009, 09:12:49 PM Yeah, Brian's out front, going apemerda on the bass period was a blast!
Come to think of it, who needs a Mike Love or a Mick Jagger when you've got this master showman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLx5Y5zRww Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: GLarson432 on December 16, 2009, 09:55:44 PM "I think this show was around 8/16/77 and was broadcast live by WNEW and introed by Pete Fornatela. Wasn't that the day Elvis died?"
Yes it was. 1/8/35 (Tupelo) to 8/16/77 (on the throne). Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 17, 2009, 08:25:35 PM Yeah, Brian's out front, going apemerda on the bass period was a blast! You mean this guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsqqBvge4DU&feature=relatedCome to think of it, who needs a Mike Love or a Mick Jagger when you've got this master showman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbLx5Y5zRww Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Eric Aniversario on December 18, 2009, 02:26:01 AM Carl was totally lost and confused during Feel Flows...
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: MBE on December 18, 2009, 05:05:29 AM I wanted your guys opinion but to me Carl and Dennis last seem (relatively) sober during the MSG shows. Do you all hear any oddness yet? The 1-77 tapes are the first that sound reall wonky to me. Of course Carl was in prtty good shape again by the LA Light tour.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 18, 2009, 06:44:28 PM Dennis seemed fairly together. He even sang "lead" on In My Room, wich is quite odd to hear. He seemed pretty up-beat and happy. In my opinion, Carl didn't do such a great job at this show. I don't know whether he was high/drunk, or just having a bad day. Listen to Darlin' from this show. He seems to be having trouble hitting some notes, which was odd for him at this point in time. Maybe his voice was just a little worn out.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jason on December 20, 2009, 07:23:12 AM It was mid-1977 - Carl was well into his heroin and cocaine addiction at the time, and his drinking didn't help matters either. He was equally loopy in Largo in January of 1977.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 20, 2009, 11:51:56 PM Carl was totally lost and confused during Feel Flows... I often wonder why they put that song in the set list. Some of the longer Bob Dylan songs have easier lyrics to remember. ;D You have to admire their guts though, to even attempt it.Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Autotune on December 21, 2009, 09:23:37 AM Does anybody have that Rolling Stone-article? Someone posted a transcript of it in another thread. Look for it. Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Eric Aniversario on December 21, 2009, 04:05:38 PM Carl was totally lost and confused during Feel Flows... I often wonder why they put that song in the set list. Some of the longer Bob Dylan songs have easier lyrics to remember. ;D You have to admire their guts though, to even attempt it.Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Sheriff John Stone on December 21, 2009, 04:24:52 PM Carl was totally lost and confused during Feel Flows... I often wonder why they put that song in the set list. I haven't listened to my tape for awhile, but wasn't Charles Lloyd on stage with them? I seem to recall Mike making some onstage comment about "taking advantage of having Charles Lloyd with them". And, the number of BB songs with Charles Lloyd are limited. I was just thinking....maybe around that time Charles was working (in the studio) with Mike Love & Celebration on some of the Almost Summer songs. Maybe? Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: TdHabib on December 21, 2009, 04:49:24 PM I've never heard them but apparantley there are shows were Carl apologizes for the "bad" lyrics on "Feel Flows." Personally, I love them, even if they essentially mean nothing at all.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: tpesky on December 21, 2009, 05:44:16 PM I have heard a recording where he does apologize for the bad lyrics to Feel Flows.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: the captain on December 21, 2009, 05:52:08 PM Always bears revisitation. (Apparently) Rieley says of the song (and lyric):
Quote As for Feel Flows, the song was composed, written and recorded under seriously powdered conditions. Carl and I worked on it for days at Bellagio, often getting trapped in laughing jags that seemed unending and thus made the sessions more fun / exciting and the music more daring. The guitar solo is Carl's best in his life. The lyric came to me in the studio early one summer evening just after the solo was recorded. Trapped with Carl in another laugh riot, I somehow managed to overcome the effects and drive over to Carl & Annie's place on Coldwater to write in peace. Half way and numerous lines through the lyric Annie and I got still deeper into one of those laugh jags. I couldn't stop until going out back, stripping off my clothes, jumping into their pool and swimming for a long while, still strongly under the influence. When I came out of the water it was to find that Annie had taken my clothes and hidden them inside the house. Prude me slightly freaked and pouted until I got them back. By then the idea for the lyric changed somewhat and all the lines I feel good about began popping into the song. The middle part, with Carl's unfuckinbelievable solo followed by the synth and flute, is the sound of orgasm, plain and simple. My favorite things on the song are Carl's "ah-yeaahhh-yeah-yeah" rounds during the solo and my "aaaah" exclamation. It's all about orgasm, dewdz. Angelic Carl. So sweet. Such a deep and meaningful song. http://smileysmile.net/index.php/jack_rieley_speaks_part_oneTitle: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 21, 2009, 06:21:37 PM I somehow think that there is more to those words. I've always loved Feel Flows. I think the Jack Rieley period is very underrated. Some people think that the words are overblown and too "out there", but Feel Flows, and The Trader, sound quite poetic to me.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jonathan Blum on December 21, 2009, 07:24:07 PM It was mid-1977 - Carl was well into his heroin and cocaine addiction at the time, and his drinking didn't help matters either. He was equally loopy in Largo in January of 1977. Hang on, that's a bit of chronology I didn't quite have straight. Are you saying Carl got into heroin *before* Dennis did? (I seem to remember the story being that Karen got Dennis into it in the later half of '77...) Cheers, Jon Blum Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Jay on December 21, 2009, 08:45:55 PM It was mid-1977 - Carl was well into his heroin and cocaine addiction at the time, and his drinking didn't help matters either. He was equally loopy in Largo in January of 1977. Hang on, that's a bit of chronology I didn't quite have straight. Are you saying Carl got into heroin *before* Dennis did? (I seem to remember the story being that Karen got Dennis into it in the later half of '77...) Cheers, Jon Blum Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: MBE on December 21, 2009, 09:14:02 PM I think New Years eve 1977 is right for Dennis. Carl who knows but it could of just been drink and downers in early 1977.
Title: Re: Central Park 1977 Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 24, 2009, 02:24:48 PM It was mid-1977 - Carl was well into his heroin and cocaine addiction at the time, and his drinking didn't help matters either. He was equally loopy in Largo in January of 1977. Hang on, that's a bit of chronology I didn't quite have straight. Are you saying Carl got into heroin *before* Dennis did? (I seem to remember the story being that Karen got Dennis into it in the later half of '77...) Cheers, Jon Blum Largo is in Maryland. |