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I don't know if anyone else ever thinks this way, but I sometimes imagine an alternate universe where Beach Boys history goes a little different than in "real life" (i.e. SMiLE came out in '67). I felt like making an alternate universe Beach Boys discography, starting from the beginning. The early albums (most of them, anyway) follow the 14-song format used on the UK versions of Beatles albums.

Surfin' Safari (1962)
Produced by Nik Venet

Side 1:
Surfin' Safari
County Fair
Ten Little Indians
Chug-A-Lug
Land Ahoy
Little Girl (You're My Miss America)
409

Side 2:
Surfin'
Punchline
Heads You Win, Tails I Lose
Summertime Blues
Cuckoo Clock
Moon Dawg
The Shift


Surfin' USA (1963)
Produced by Nik Venet

Side 1:
Surfin' USA
Farmer's Daughter
Misirlou
Stoked
Lonely Sea
The Baker Man
Shut Down

Side 2:
Noble Surfer
Honky Tonk
Lana
Surf Jam
Things We Did Last Summer
Let's Go Trippin'
Finders Keepers

Surfer Girl (1963)
Produced by Brian Wilson

Side 1:
Surfer Girl
Catch A Wave
The Surfer Moon
South Bay Surfer
The Rocking Surfer
Back Home
Little Deuce Coupe

Side 2:
In My Room
Hawaii
Surfers Rule
Our Car Club
Your Summer Dream
Boogie Woodie
I Do

Little Deuce Coupe (1963)
Produced by Brian Wilson
Side 1:
Little Deuce Coupe
Ballad Of Ole' Betsy
Be True To Your School
The Beginning of the End
Car Crazy Cutie
Cherry Cherry Coupe
409

Side 2:
Shut Down
Spirit of America
Our Car Club
No-Go Showboat
A Young Man Is Gone
The Little Old Lady From Pasadena
Custom Machine

Shut Down Vol. 2 (1964)
Produced by Brian Wilson
Side 1:
Fun Fun Fun
Don't Worry Baby
In The Parkin' Lot
Ganz Allein
The Warmth of the Sun
This Car of Mine
Thank Him

Side 2:
Why Do Fools Fall In Love?
Their Hearts Were Full of Spring
Pom Pom Play Girl
Keep and Eye On Summer
Shut Down Part II
Louie Louie
Denny's Drums

All Summer Long (1964)
Produced by Brian Wilson
Side 1:
All Summer Long
I Get Around
Hushabye
Little Honda
We'll Run Away
All Dressed Up For School
Carl's Big Chance

Side 2:
Wendy
Do You Remember?
Girls On The Beach
Drive-In
Don't Back Down
Little Surfer Girl
After The Game

The Beach Boys Today! (1965)
Produced by Brian Wilson
Side 1:
Do You Wanna Dance?
Good To My Baby
Don't Hurt My Little Sister
When I Grow Up
Help Me, Ronda
Dance, Dance, Dance

Side 2:
Please Let Me Wonder
I'm So Young
Kiss Me Baby
She Knows Me Too Well
In The Back Of My Mind

Summer Days (and Summer Nights!!!) (1965)
Produced by Brian Wilson
Side 1:
The Little Girl I Once Knew
The Girl From New York City
Amusement Parks USA
Then I Kissed Her
Salt Lake City
Girl Don't Tell Me
Help Me, Rhonda

Side 2:
California Girls
Let Him Run Wild
Sandy, She Needs Me
You're So Good To Me
Summer Means New Love
I'm Bugged at My Old Man
And Your Dream Comes True

Pet Sounds (1966)
Produced by Brian Wilson
Side 1:
Wouldn't It Be Nice
You Still Believe In Me
That's Not Me
Don't Talk
I'm Waiting For The Day
Let's Go Away For Awhile
Guess I'm Dumb

Side 2:
Sloop John B
Tombone Dixie
God Only Knows
Let Go Of Your Ego
I Just Wasn't Made For These Times
Run James, Run (Pet Sounds)
Caroline, No

Live at the University of Michigan (1966)

SMiLE (1967)
Produced by Brian Wilson

Side 1:
Our Prayer
Heroes and Villains
The Barnyard Suite
Do You Dig Worms?
Cabin Essence
Child Is The Father Of The Man
Wonderful

Side 2:
Good Vibrations
Holidays
The Elements
   I. Earth-Vega-Tables
   II. Air-Wind Chimes
   III. Fire-Mrs. O'Leary's Cow
   IV. The Cool Down-I Wanna Be Around
   V. Water-I Love To Say Da Da
Surf's Up

The Beach Boys Live at the Monterrey Pop Festival (1967)

Lei'd In Hawaii (1967)

Time To Get Alone (1968)
Produced by Brian Wilson/The Beach Boys
Disc 1:
Side 1:
Busy Doin' Nothin'
Wake The World
Be Here In The Morning
Little Pad
With Me Tonight
Let The Wind Blow
Darlin'

Side 2:
Gettin' Hungry
Be Still
Country Air
Wild Honey
I'd Love Just Once To See You
How She Boogalooed It
Can't Wait Too Long

Disc 2:
Side 1:
Time To Get Alone
Little Bird
A Thing or Two
I Was Made To Love Her
Aren't You Glad
I Went To Sleep
Lonely Days/With A Little Help From My Friends Medley

Side 2:
The Letter
Friends
Passing By
Anna Lee, The Healer
Diamond Head
Mona Kanai
Do It Again

Break Away (1969)
Produced by The Beach Boys
Side 1:
Break Away
Bluebirds Over The Mountain
Be With Me
I Can Hear Music
All I Want To Do
Celebrate The News
The Nearest Faraway Place

Side 2:
Walk On By
Cotton Fields
We're Together Again
Never Learn Not To Love (Cease To Exist)
A Time To Live In Dreams
Old Man River
Sail Plane Song

Add Some Music (1970)
Produced by The Beach Boys
Side 1:
Slip On Through
This Whole World
Add Some Music
H.E.L.P. Is On The Way
Got To Know The Woman
Dierdre

Side 2:
It's About Time
Tears In The Morning
All I Wanna Do
Forever
Good Time
At My Window

Landlocked (1971)
Produced by The Beach Boys
Side 1:
Don't Go Near The Water
Long Promised Road
Sound of Free
Take A Load Off Your Feet
4th of July

Side 2:
Feel Flows
Lady (Fallin' In Love)
Lookin' At Tomorrow
A Day In The Life of A Tree
'Til I Die
Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again

Carl and The Passions: So Tough (1972)
Produced by The Beach Boys
Side 1:
Out In The Country
You Need A Mess of Help To Stand Alone
Here She Comes
He Come Down
Marcella

Side 2:
Hold On Dear Brother
Make It Good
Games Two Can Play
All This Is That
Cuddle Up (Old Movie)

Holland (1973)
Produced By The Beach Boys
Side 1:
Sail On Sailor
Steamboat
Carry Me Home
California Saga:
   Big Sur
   Beaks of Eagles
   Sunny Californ-a-a

Side 2:
The Trader
Leaving This Town
We Got Love
Only With You
Hard Times
Funky Pretty

Plus: Mt. Vernon and Fairway (A Fairy Tale)

California Feelin' (1976)
Produced by The Beach Boys
Side 1:
River Song
Rollin' Up To Heaven
Good Timin'
Rainbows
It's OK
Had To Phone Ya

Side 2:
California Feelin'
Thoughts of You
I've Got A Friend
Child Of Winter
Susie Cincinnatti
Farewell My Friend

Adult/Child (1978)
Produced by Brian Wilson
Side 1:
Life Is For The Living
New England Waltz
Deep Purple
Hey Little Tomboy
It's Over Now
Everybody Wants To Live

Side 2:
Shortenin' Bread
Lines
Sea Cruise
Shake, Rattle, and Roll
It's Trying To Say
Still I Dream of It

Angel Come Home (1979)
Produced by The Beach Boys and Jim Guercio
Side 1:
Full Sail
Winds Of Change
Lookin' Down The Coast
Lady Lynda
Angel Come Home
Love Surrounds Me

Side 2:
Baby Blue
Goin' South
Sweet Sunday
I'll Bet He's Nice
Almost Summer
My Diane

Heaven (1981)
Produced by The Beach Boys
Side 1:
Keepin' The Summer Alive
Wild Situation
School Girl
He's A Bum
All Alone
Don't Fight The Sea

Side 2:
Stevie
Lazy Lizzie
Endless Harmony
Marilyn Rovell
Heaven

Chasin' The Sky (1985)
Produced by The Beach Boys, Steve Levine, and Stephen Proffer
Side 1:
Male Ego
City Blues
Chasin' The Sky
Maybe I Don't Know
She Believes In Love Again
It's Just A Matter of Time

Side 2:
I Do Love You
It's Gettin' Late
I'm So Lonely
Getcha Back
Where I Belong
Oh Lord

Brian Wilson (1988)

Somewhere Near Japan (1990)
Produced by The Beach Boys and Terry Melcher
Side 1:
Somewhere Near Japan
California Dreamin'
Kokomo
Wipe Out
Make It Big
Rock and Roll To The Rescue

Side 2:
Happy Endings
Island Girl
Let's Go To Heaven In My Car
Problem Child
Crocodile Rock
Spirit of Rock and Roll

Brian Wilson-Sweet Insanity (1990)

Summer In Paradise (1992)

Brian Wilson and VDP-Orange Crate Art (1995)

Soul Searchin' (1998)
Produced by Don Was, Andy Paley, and Brian Wilson
Side 1:
Proud Mary
Gettin' In Over My Head
I Wish For You
You're Still A Mystery
Marketplace
Frankie Avalon

Side 2:
Dancin' The Night Away
Soul Searchin'
Lay Down Burden
Run, Don't Walk
I'm Broke
Slightly American Music

Brian Wilson-Imagination (1999)

Brian Wilson-Live at the Roxy (2000)

Brian Wilson-Pet Sounds Live (2003)

Brian Wilson-SMiLE Live (2004)

Brian Wilson-What I Want For Christmas (2005)

Brian Wilson-That Lucky Old Sun (2008)

i've thought about this sort of thing before too. then it occured to me that the universe we're in is probably not the normal one. this is probably the weird universe that the beach boys fans of another dimension are hypothesising about. "what if smile never came out?"

Do you really think all those post-Smile albums would've happened if Smile had come out? If Smile came out on time Brian wouldn't've retreated from the band as much.

Superb exercise -  and I love the fact that we'd never have had to listen to Student Demonstration Time!

I don't think Summer In Paradise would have happened if the earlier albums you fantasise had come about [ things would never have got some bad.

yeah I do this sort of thing sometimes too but not as comprehensively as you have done... well done  :thumbsup

The only thing I would add (off the top of my head) would be to add Guess I'm Dumb to Today!, because you didn't replace Bull Session with anything. I love how you added things like Live at the Monterey Pop Festival etc..

I threw Guess I'm Dumb onto Pet Sounds. I don't think it was recorded until after Today.



Well, I had to incorporate all of the good post-SMiLE stuff somehow. And Brian may still have retreated from the group if SMiLE came out on time...the voices and depression would've caught up with Brian eventually no matter what else happened.

Ah righteo, fair enough... I obviously missed seeing it on Pet Sounds... but I am pretty sure it was started in '64 actually... could be wrong though... and even if it was after Today!, it's possible it could've been written a lot earlier and if so then they could've recorded a version... ah well, I guess this is the "alternate universe" anyway, so anything is possible in this case ;D

By the way, you accidentally called the first two albums both "Surfin' Safari"

Fixed!

Where's "Battle Hymn of the Republic" on Holland? Actually, once I actually got to hear that song, it wasn't nearly as bad as I expected it to be based on most fans' reactions to it. Sounds like a typical Brian Wilson song from the time, which means just ****ing out there, like he made it during a week long coke binge. Would've made a good b-side to "Child of Winter".

True.

I do like the essay that was posted on Susan's site, where Brian still has a breakdown, makes a comeback, and then meets Mark David Chapman....

I do add bonus tracks onto pre-existing albums; it's the easiest way to keep track of them, actually. I've thought about alternate universe albums(wouldn't it have been better if...)...I think that this is an almost unique phenomenom with Beach Boys fans--they had so much good music; and tended to present it...somewhat badly, actually.

Time To Get Alone would have been a corker, probably should have turned the BB into the biggest band on earth. From the point of view of this universe, I like Friends being a separate album, including TM.

Time To Get Alone (1968) as the Beach Boys double-album equivalent to the White Album... hmm... like that.

Ascrodin: in that timeline, would the BB have outbeaten the Beatles again with SMiLE being released before Sgt Pepper, and TTGA being released before the White Album?


I do wonder about that as well... but I think that - even if Brian had been able to (capable of) finishing SMiLE, then I still wonder if his mental state would've gone into the right direction again. In real life SMiLE turned out to be the breaking point. But it could've happened a year earlier (now what if he hadn't been able to finish Pet Sounds!!) or later as well. Seems like it was a matter of time. But trying to imagine what kind of music Brian and the Beach Boys would have created if Brian hadn't used certain substances or if Brian wouldn't have had his emotional/psychological problems from 1964 onwards... we'll never know. Could very well that his musical output from 1964-early 1967 wouldn't have been half as good if he hadn't gone through so much inner struggles in that time of his life.

I would put 'Little girl..', 'Guess I'm Dumb' and 'Sherry' onto Summer Days, that would make it a corker. I've thought before that Friends/Wild Honey should have been a double then they should have made Sunflower a double too!

I've thought about this a bit, and using stuff that was fairly strictly recorded at the right time - three tracks from Concert are actually from late 1963, so could fit on Shut Down Vol. 2, here's my list:


SURFIN' SAFARI:

Surfin' Safari / County Fair / Ten Little Indians / Chug-A-Lug / Little Girl (You're My Miss America) / Cindy Oh Cindy / Land Ahoy

409 / Surfin' / Heads You Win, Tails I Lose / Cuckoo Clock / Summertime Blues / Moon Dawg / The Shift


SURFIN' USA:

Surfin' USA / Farmers Daughter / Miserlou / Stoked / Lonely Sea / Noble Surfer / The Baker Man

Shut Down / Honky Tonk / Lana / Punchline / Let's Go Trippin' / Surf Jam / Finders Keepers


SURFER GIRL:

Surf Side:
Surfer Girl / Catch A Wave / The Surfer Moon / The Rocking Surfer / Hawaii / Surfers Rule / Your Summer Dream

Drag Side:
Little Deuce Coupe / Car Crazy Cutie / Ballad of Ol' Betsy / No Go Showboat / Our Car Club / No Go Showboat / Boogie Woodie

with In My Room as a Double-A Side with Be True To Your School.

CUSTOM MACHINE E.P:

Custom Machine / Spirit Of America

Cherry Cherry Coupe / A Young Man Is Gone


SHUT DOWN VOL. 2:

Fun, Fun, Fun / Warmth Of The Sun / This Car Of Mine / "Cassius" Love vs. "Sonny" Wilson / Why Do Fools Fall In Love? / Shut Down Part II / Long Tall Texan (Live)

Don't Worry Baby / Pom Pom Playgirl / Keep An Eye On Summer / Louie Louie / In The Parkin' Lot / Denny's Drums / Johnny B. Goode (Live)


ALL SUMMER LONG:

I Get Around / All Summer Long / Hushabye / Little Honda / We'll Run Away / Do You Remember? / Carl's Big Chance

Wendy / Drive-In / Girls On The Beach / Our Favourite Recording Sessions / Don't Back Down / What'd I Say (Live)


CONCERT:

Fun, Fun, Fun / Little Old Lady From Pasadena / Little Honda / Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow / Surfer Girl / Be True To Your School / Surfin USA

Monster Mash / The Wanderer / Let's Go Trippin' / In My Room / Hawaii / Graduation Day / I Get Around


TODAY!:

Do You Wanna Dance / Good To My Baby / Don't Hurt My Little Sister / When I Grow Up (To Be A Man) / Help Me Ronda / All Dressed Up For School / Dance, Dance, Dance

Please Let Me Wonder / I'm So Young / Guess I'm Dumb (with Brian vocal) / Kiss Me, Baby / She Knows Me Too Well / In The Back Of My Mind / Bull Session With Big Daddy


SUMMER DAYS (AND SUMMER NIGHTS!!):

The Girl From New York City / Amusement Parks USA / Then I Kissed Her / Salt Lake City / Girl Don't Tell Me / You're So Good To Me / Help Me, Rhonda

California Girls / Let Him Run Wild / Sherri, She Needs Me (w/ 1965 vocals) / Summer Means New Love / I'm Bugged At My Ol' Man / Graduation Day / And Your Dream Comes True

PARTY!:

Hully Gully / I Should Have Known Better / Tell Me Why / Papa-Oom-Mow-Mow / Mountain Of Love / You've Got To Hide Your Love Away / Devoted To You

Alley Oop / Ruby Baby / There's No Other (Like My Baby) / I Get Around - Little Deuce Coupe / Smokey Joe's Cafe (complete version) / The Times They Are A-Changin' / Barbara-Ann

Pet Sounds as usual, and if SMiLE had come out, it's impossible to say what the Post-SMiLE stuff would've been like.

This just drives home the point that the BeachBoys have a hugh catalogue and the majority of it consists of great songs.  So many songs that as one focuses on one part of their career, one loses focus or forgets about another time in their career.   

I've made numerous compilations over the years (personal use only of course) and the problem is always the same; what to include/exclude,  how to sequence, and how many discs to use.

I spent hours just trying to edit my Carl Wilson comp down to 80 minutes.

I realize I'm  off topic but doing this alternate universe just underscores the vast wealth of material created by the band and it's members over the decades..

I'm thinking of doing a hippie era comp starting with Pet Sounds and ending with Holland.  Hope I can keep it under 160 minutes!  Beginning with Thats Not Me and ending with Sail on Sailor.

I'd like to see it if you have time...

Awesome idea!

Surfin' Safari-Concert: Same

Today!
Side 1:
Do You Wanna Dance?
Dance, Dance, Dance
Don't Hurt My Little Sister
When I Grow Up (To be a Man)
All Dressed Up for School (Mono version with handclaps)
Guess I'm Dumb (Beach Boys version. I think I put Brian on the lead.)

Side 2:
Please Let me Wonder
I'm So Young (Alternate mono version)
Kiss me Baby
She Knows me Too Well
In the Back of my Mind (Instrumental)
Sandy (Brian on lead.)

Summer Days:
Same but I get rid of "Bugged" and make it an 11 track LP.

Party stays the same.

Pet Sounds:
Replace I Know there's an Answer with Hang on to your ego.

SMiLE (Comes out June 1967)-Now the fun really begins:
Side 1:
Our Prayer/Gee
Heroes and Villains
Old Master Painter/You are my Sunshine
Do You Like Worms?
Wonderful
Child is Father of the Man
Cabinessence

Side 2:
Good Vibrations
Wind Chimes
Vega-Tables
The Elements:
Fire-H+V Intro/Fire
Earth-I Wanna be Around/Workshop
Air-Last part of Hollidays (with the Whispering Winds melody.)
Water-I Love to Say Da-Da (includes Water chant at the end.)
Surf's Up

Wild Honey-
Side 1:
Wild Honey
Aren't You Glad
Country Air
Lonely Days (Completed of course.)
A Thing or Two

Side 2:
Darlin'
Here Comes the Night
Let the Wind Blow
How She Boogalooed it
Whistle In (With a jazzier arrangement, perhaps even a full blown song with a sax solo in the middle.)

Circus of Fools (December 1969)
Here's my most ambitious idea. Hear it out:

After the smash hit success of SMiLE, Brian decides to take about a year long break. Eventually, he is offered to do a movie featuring new and old music by the band. Brian knows the Beatles are doing something similar so he accepts it. The movie is part Yellow Submarine/part Rolling Stones rock and Roll Circus. Brian is the main character as he plays a trippy ringleader who mainifests his acid trips into circus events (not revealed until the end though.)

Circus of Fools soundtrack:
Side 1:
Wake the World (Opens up the film.)
Carnival/Over the Waves
Sail Plane Song (Brian sings song on the dock of a beach after one of his shows.)
I Just Got Paid (Brian flashing back to his younger days. A medley of Beach Boys' songs plays before this.)
Can't Wait Too Long (Sung by Brain yearning for his love, who he left behind to join the circus.)
Celebrate the News (This ends the first act.)

Side 2:
Tones (Instrumental break that plays through the intermission.)
Holidays (With lyrics and band singing the Whispering winds section. Sung while Brian leaves the circus after witnessing the death of a performer.)
Wind Chimes (SMiLE arrangement done a little differently.)
Little Pad (Concludes the film. Brian wakes up from his trip with a modified version of the ending. It gets all warped and then we hear the woo woo woo from Heroes. Brian jolts out of bad, stares at the camera for about a minute...fin.)

Beautiful!!

I like it!  Coulda worked!  I was very young in the late '60s, but I've always believed that around that time in music, anything was possible.

How come nobody has Soulful Old Man Sunshine? I figure that along with Celbrate the News, Loop de Loop and Breakaway would help make 20/20 a good album.

I also had a double album:
Side A
Sail On Sailor
Marcella
Hold On Dear Brother
Trader
Cuddle Up

Side B
Funky Pretty
Here She Comes
A Mess of Help
Leaving this Town
Carry Me Home

Side C
California Sega: Big Sur
                          Beaks of Eagles
                          California
Steamboat
All This is That
Fourth of July

Side D
Mount Vernon and Fairway

OK, I'll take a shot at this.

In the releases from 1974-1977, Beach Boys' fans got their money's worth. Endless Summer and Spirit Of America were both double albums at a budget price. 15 Big Ones had 15 songs, and Love You had 14 songs. Then, MIU dipped to just 12 songs. Many fans criticize MIU for the material; I like the material, and feel MIU could've been improved one full grade just by adding two songs . Here is my alternate MIU:

Side A

1. She's Got Rhythm
2. Peggy Sue
3. Wontcha Come Out Tonight
4. My Diane
5. Come Go With Me
6. Hey Little Tomboy
7. Sweet Sunday Kind Of Love

Side B

1. Good Timin'
2. Kona Coast
3. Belles Of Paris
4. Pitter Patter
5. Matchpoint Of Our Love
6. Winds Of Change
7. Our Team

I had a 1969-only Sunflower featuring just those:

Side One:

Slip On Through / This Whole World / All I Wanna Do / Got To Know The Woman / San Miguel / Loop-De-Loop (Flip Flyin' In An Airplane) / Break Away

Side Two:

Celebrate The News / Soulful Old Man Sunshine / Games Two Can Play / Forever / At My Window / Cottonfields (The Cotton Song)

I love the Circus of Fools idea, very cool stuff!

Here's a hypothetical for you:  to cash in on Endless Summer and further promote the re-release of "Sail On Sailor", in 1975 Warners decides to release a best-of colllection of recent Beach Boys tracks, aimed at the same sun-n-fun market.  Call it "Summer of '75" or "Five Years' Harmony" or whatever...  basically a best-of with room for a couple of tracks from the vaults that they didn't give to Capitol.  Maybe with room for a couple of "Til I Die"s, but ya gotta think commercial, baby.

Whadaya put on it?

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Side A
Soulful Old Man Sunshine
Celbrate the News
San Miguel
This Whole World
Add Some Music

Side B
Its About Time
Forever
Long Promised Road
Student Demonstration Time
Til I Die

Side C
Sound of Free
Marcella
Hold On Dear Brother
All This is That
Cuddle Up

Side D
Sail On Sailor
California
Funky Pretty
River Song
California Feeling

How about Proto-Love You, late 1970 release by the Beach Boys (assuming some BW songs were withheld from release).

Side A
This Whole World
I Just Got My Pay
Good Time
H.E.L.P is on the Way
Games Two Can Play
Cotton Fields (Brian Wilson version)
Add Some Music

Side B
All I Wanna Do
When Girls Get Together
Time to Get Alone
Loop De Loop
At My Window
I Went to Sleep
A Day in the Life of a Tree
Til I Die