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Title: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: art rush on October 15, 2008, 03:46:49 AM i notice a lot of, what's the word, euphemisms?
"the beach boys band" "the beach boys touring band" "the current touring version of the beach boys" "mike and bruce's band" why all the sidestepping? Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: The Heartical Don on October 15, 2008, 05:13:52 AM Hm. Whenever I write 'The Beach Boys', I certainly don't have any line-up since 1986 in mind. I mean the band that created Pet Sounds, and all those gorgeous hits and artful non-hits. Not the band that's led by a nasal meditating body-hopper with enormous alimony obligations and even more idiotic lawsuits on his track record (and the two are connected... allegedly).
Scientific definition: Beach Boys, The: any line up of the band that includes Brian D. Wilson at the helm, and with said mr. Wilson in any state that guarantees the capacity to overrule creative decisions proposed by Michael Love. That should do the trick. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: art rush on October 15, 2008, 06:25:37 AM Not the band that's led by a nasal meditating body-hopper oh you mean that guy who sung all their hits?Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: The Heartical Don on October 15, 2008, 06:45:16 AM Not the band that's led by a nasal meditating body-hopper oh you mean that guy who sung all their hits?Yes, that's the one I have in mind. Who did you think I did? Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: art rush on October 15, 2008, 06:48:20 AM i dunno, i guess i tend to give mike more legitimacy then he usually gets. without him there is no band, for a lot of reasons. surely it's not all brian. would brian+bruce= beach boys?
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: kookadams on October 15, 2008, 07:06:11 AM Yeah when I tell people I'm going to see Mike and Bruce from the Beach Boys it's because that's what it is. Just because Mike Love litigated to use the name doesn't mean he and Bruce are the band. That's the same reason I believe that a lot of people disregard Summer In Paradise because Brian Wilson had no involvement with it. It's like the Beatles without McCartney. Even though Brian and Dennis weren't there I got to see them once with Carl when I was a kid and that's the one time I can say that I saw the Beach Boys.
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Wirestone on October 15, 2008, 07:23:34 AM All the hits, huh?
Who sang lead on Help Me Rhonda? Who sang lead on Don't Worry Baby? Who sang lead on In My Room? Who sang lead on Surfer Girl? Yeah, that Mike Love sure has some range. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: The Heartical Don on October 15, 2008, 07:33:07 AM Can't we find a compromise for the current line-up? Suggestions:
The Beach Men The Beachy Boys The Sand Boys The Coastal Sand Young Men (= litigation-proof) The Beach Pensioners Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Dancing Bear on October 15, 2008, 09:00:11 AM No Mike Love, no Beach Boys.
I consider "Mike and Bruce" to be a nice description of the current line-up. It avoids all the whining too. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: John on October 15, 2008, 09:41:15 AM If Brian, Al and Dave do something together at the CWF this weekend, that's more like "The Beach Boys" in my opinion.
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: the captain on October 15, 2008, 10:11:23 AM Was this thread just designed to start up the same old arguments? Seems that way. You can't tell me you don't know why some people prefer not to call the band that performs under the name The Beach Boys by that name. To them, the Beach Boys are a Wilson-dominated band (or at least a band that includes some Wilsons ... or at least Al); and/or the band they have in mind is a progressive band that creates new material. And it's also clear why others feel fine calling it the Beach Boys: first and maybe foremost, it is LEGALLY the Beach Boys; it's got one of the original key members, another longtime key member, and several great musicians who have been associated with them for years, and they go out and put on shows of Beach Boys music that people love. You can pick a side but there's no reason to pick a fight (unless you've got some financial interest in the whole thing, that is).
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Chris Brown on October 15, 2008, 10:36:28 AM Luther's post says it best. There are strong opinions on both sides.
For myself, it's hard to call any band without a Wilson "The Beach Boys." I think the Beach Boys died with Carl, and, as a creative entity, much earlier. Nobody is taking anything away from Mike, but for a lot of people (myself included), Brian brings more legitimacy because he was the architect of the sound. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Alex on October 15, 2008, 02:40:19 PM i notice a lot of, what's the word, euphemisms? "the beach boys band" "the beach boys touring band" "the current touring version of the beach boys" "mike and bruce's band" why all the sidestepping? Because there are no Wilson Brothers involved. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Pretty Funky on October 15, 2008, 03:25:44 PM Because it is the Beach Boys Band as their own website clearly states.
http://www.beachboysband.com/ http://www.beachboysband.net/bio.htm Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: CarCrazyCutie on October 15, 2008, 04:15:10 PM imo it's like 5 pieces of a puzzle (sorry Bruce). Each member brought something to the table. Some had more talent and creativity than the others making them a bigger piece, but they were all still a single piece. So no matter how big or small the contribution, without all of them, The Beach Boys aren't completely whole. I know it's super cheesy but I try to look at it like that to give Mike the benefit of the doubt. I think the problem with Mr. Love isn't that he didn't contribute, it's that all the negative things he did outnumber any of the good by a long haul. So the way I see it "The Beach Boys" without Brian, Dennis, or Carl would be far more wrong and unfortunate than the Beach Boys without Mike.
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Sheriff John Stone on October 15, 2008, 04:59:10 PM ....a nasal meditating body-hopper with enormous alimony obligations and even more idiotic lawsuits on his track record.... Oh, come on! Brian hasn't meditated for years. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Fun Is In on October 15, 2008, 05:05:56 PM If Paul McCartney toured with Ringo Starr or George Martin or Yoko Ono in tow, could it be billed as The Beatles?
If Apple licensed it, I suppose it could be called The Beatles. But it wouldn't be. The show currently licensed by BRI to bill itself as "The Beach Boys" is what it is. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: John on October 15, 2008, 06:16:17 PM ....a nasal meditating body-hopper with enormous alimony obligations and even more idiotic lawsuits on his track record.... Oh, come on! Brian hasn't meditated for years. Yeah, see, that WOULD work, if all the other conditions applied to Brian, but he's not particularly nasal - certainly it's not, for all his current vocal limitations, the first adjective you'd use - nor does he have enormous alimony obligations, having been married once before, etc, etc. Reasonable Mike Love defence. Foolish, kneejerk Mike Love defence: there is a difference. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: the captain on October 15, 2008, 06:39:54 PM I think SJS was joking... (tough crowd)
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Sheriff John Stone on October 15, 2008, 06:47:46 PM I think SJS was joking... (tough crowd) Yeah, I was gonna put a :-D at the end but I gave the readers more credit. Silly me... Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Pretty Funky on October 15, 2008, 07:20:11 PM If Paul McCartney toured with Ringo Starr or George Martin or Yoko Ono in tow, could it be billed as The Beatles? No. To much respect for the trademark and the legacy to even think about it. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: joe_blow on October 15, 2008, 07:20:45 PM Hey don't blame Mike 100% for doing whatever he does to the band's name. Brian and Al's camp could choose not to okay the Lovester to license the name could they not?
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Sheriff John Stone on October 15, 2008, 07:22:32 PM Hey don't blame Mike 100% for doing whatever he does to the band's name. Brian and Al's camp could choose not to okay the Lovester to license the name could they not? Yes, they could. But then there's the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Pretty Funky on October 15, 2008, 07:23:06 PM Exactly.
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: elnombre on October 15, 2008, 07:23:15 PM To call this band - i.e. Mike, Bruce and a bunch of strangers - 'The Beach Boys' when Dennis and Carl are dead, and Al and Brian no longer wish to be involved would be disrespectful to their former bandmates, as if they were negating their contribution. I think Mike & Bruce are smart and generally respectful enough of the legacy of work they achieved together as The Beach Boys to realise this.
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Aegir on October 15, 2008, 07:45:02 PM I call them "Mike and Bruce" because people would get mad at me if I called them the Beach Boys. When I talk to anyone outside of the Beach Boys fan world, I call the current touring incarnation The Beach Boys.
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: GLarson432 on October 15, 2008, 08:06:21 PM A thought...
From Heartical Don: "...with enormous alimony obligations... ". I feel quite certain that HD said this in jest, based on his other observations of the band, although many others take this to heart. Mike has, I think, been married six times and the last marriage was to Jacqui about 15 years ago. I seriously doubt that Mike has ANY alimony obligations at this stage and situation in his life. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: John on October 15, 2008, 08:14:06 PM I think SJS was joking... (tough crowd) Yeah, I was gonna put a :-D at the end but I gave the readers more credit. Silly me... Eh, I've seen plenty of just as/if not more ridiculous defences of Mike AND Brian online before, and they were serious; it's hard to tell sometimes... Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Dancing Bear on October 15, 2008, 08:47:19 PM This topic sucks.
I'll add one more "No Mike Love, no Beach Boys" for good measure. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: The Heartical Don on October 16, 2008, 01:30:34 AM A thought... From Heartical Don: "...with enormous alimony obligations... ". I feel quite certain that HD said this in jest, based on his other observations of the band, although many others take this to heart. Mike has, I think, been married six times and the last marriage was to Jacqui about 15 years ago. I seriously doubt that Mike has ANY alimony obligations at this stage and situation in his life. I did. Tks for pointing it out. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: PongHit on October 16, 2008, 06:20:17 AM All the hits, huh? Who sang lead on Help Me Rhonda? Who sang lead on Don't Worry Baby? Who sang lead on In My Room? Who sang lead on Surfer Girl Don't forget "Good Vibrations," "Sloop John B.," "Wouldn't It Be Nice?," "God Only Knows," & so on . . . Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: Alex on October 16, 2008, 08:20:37 AM All the hits, huh? Who sang lead on Help Me Rhonda? Who sang lead on Don't Worry Baby? Who sang lead on In My Room? Who sang lead on Surfer Girl Don't forget "Good Vibrations," "Sloop John B.," "Wouldn't It Be Nice?," "God Only Knows," & so on . . . Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: the captain on October 16, 2008, 08:36:32 AM All the hits, huh? Who sang lead on Help Me Rhonda? Who sang lead on Don't Worry Baby? Who sang lead on In My Room? Who sang lead on Surfer Girl Don't forget "Good Vibrations," "Sloop John B.," "Wouldn't It Be Nice?," "God Only Knows," & so on . . . Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: John on October 16, 2008, 08:54:11 AM Well, "Sail On, Sailor" was a minor hit. "Cottonfields", "Friends", "Come Go With Me" and "Lady Lynda" were also hits over here in the UK, right? They could count more than Sloop, WIBN, and Good Vibes, since Mike DOES sing a portion of them.
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: art rush on October 16, 2008, 10:41:10 PM mike sings lead (or a prominent part of the lead) on:
Surfin' Surfin' Safari Surfin' USA 409 Shut Down Catch a Wave Little Deuce Coupe Hawaii Fun, Fun, Fun Be True to Your School I Get Around All Summer Long Wendy Little Saint Nick When I Grow Up California Girls reads like a compilation, don't it? Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: The Heartical Don on October 17, 2008, 03:43:49 AM mike sings lead (or a prominent part of the lead) on: Surfin' Surfin' Safari Surfin' USA 409 Shut Down Catch a Wave Little Deuce Coupe Hawaii Fun, Fun, Fun Be True to Your School I Get Around All Summer Long Wendy Little Saint Nick When I Grow Up California Girls reads like a compilation, don't it? :o How odd. I have a double live set called SMiLE-Live 2004 (London Feb 24) and I could positively swear that it is Brian singing all of these in the first half of the evening... you mean to say that it was in reality Mike with a wig and a pillow under his sweater who was sitting there, around 60 ft in front of me? I am shocked! I will phone the RFH and try to get my money reimbursed! *these 'rock' vagrants... my Dad used to warn me off from ever trusting these drug users and ne'er do wells...* Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: art rush on October 17, 2008, 08:03:17 AM mike sings lead (or a prominent part of the lead) on: Surfin' Surfin' Safari Surfin' USA 409 Shut Down Catch a Wave Little Deuce Coupe Hawaii Fun, Fun, Fun Be True to Your School I Get Around All Summer Long Wendy Little Saint Nick When I Grow Up California Girls reads like a compilation, don't it? :o How odd. I have a double live set called SMiLE-Live 2004 (London Feb 24) and I could positively swear that it is Brian singing all of these in the first half of the evening... you mean to say that it was in reality Mike with a wig and a pillow under his sweater who was sitting there, around 60 ft in front of me? I am shocked! I will phone the RFH and try to get my money reimbursed! *these 'rock' vagrants... my Dad used to warn me off from ever trusting these drug users and ne'er do wells...* and doesn't he have a nerve, touring around with all those songs as if he was the original singer. how disrespectful to the legacy yada yada... Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: PongHit on October 17, 2008, 08:24:26 AM reads like a compilation, don't it? Here's another compilation for ya: Good Vibrations Help Me Rhonda God Only Knows In My Room Barbara Ann Surfer Girl Don't Worry Baby Warmth Of The Sun Do You Wanna Dance? You're So Good To Me And Then I Kissed Her Let Him Run Wild Girl Don't Tell Me Sloop John B Girls On The Beach Why Do Fools Fall In Love? Please Let Me Wonder Heroes And Villains Vegetables Wouldn't It Be Nice? Disney Girls Surfs Up Cabinessence Til I Die Darlin' This Whole World The Trader Long Promised Road Feel Flows Friends Wild Honey Sail On Sailor Forever Caroline No Good Timin' Come Go With Me Breakaway Cotton Fields I Can Hear Music Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: SG7 on October 17, 2008, 08:30:50 AM Why does no one say the beach boys? Because The Beach Boys as we know them are gone >:(
Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: John on October 17, 2008, 08:55:44 AM mike sings lead (or a prominent part of the lead) on: Surfin' Surfin' Safari Surfin' USA 409 Shut Down Catch a Wave Little Deuce Coupe Hawaii Fun, Fun, Fun Be True to Your School I Get Around All Summer Long Wendy Little Saint Nick When I Grow Up California Girls Yeah, we know. This is the board that spent months and months doing the Definitive Vocal Credits thread. Also you forgot Dance, Dance, Dance from the same era. Mind you, in the same period: Surfer Girl, In My Room, Hawaii, Little Saint Nick, Don't Worry Baby, Warmth Of The Sun, I Get Around, Wendy, Dance Dance Dance, When I Grow Up, Please Let Me Wonder, California Girls, Let Him Run Wild, You're So Good To Me, California Girls, Little Girl I Once Knew, Barbara Ann - Brian sings lead or a prominent lead part on all of these. And, unlike Mike, has a writing credit on all of them except Barbara-Ann, the cover, AND all the ones you mentioned. Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: donald on October 17, 2008, 09:28:51 AM Only those of us who are serious hard core fans are concerned about these distinctions. I wouldn't refer to the band to casual listeners as The Mike/ Bruce Beachboys....they wouldn't know (or care) what I was talking about.
A few years ago the band played at a summer festival near here. My co-worker, knowing I had ben a rabid fan asked if I would be going. I informed her that the band performing was not the BeachBoys, and why it wasn't the BeachBoys. Her reply; "Who would know the difference?"... So...I plan to go see the Mike/Bruce Orchestra next week in Kentucky and to go see the Brian Wilson Band next month in Nashville. I wonder if AL is touring the mid atlantic area this year. The real problem? None of us will ever again hear the voice of Carl Wilson or hear those original otherworldly harmonies of the Wilson Brothers and Mike Love. Lets all go out and see these guys, as they are, while we can. :police: Title: Re: why does nobody want to say The Beach Boys these days Post by: art rush on October 18, 2008, 09:34:16 AM Only those of us who are serious hard core fans are concerned about these distinctions. I wouldn't refer to the band to casual listeners as The Mike/ Bruce Beachboys....they wouldn't know (or care) what I was talking about. A few years ago the band played at a summer festival near here. My co-worker, knowing I had ben a rabid fan asked if I would be going. I informed her that the band performing was not the BeachBoys, and why it wasn't the BeachBoys. Her reply; "Who would know the difference?"... So...I plan to go see the Mike/Bruce Orchestra next week in Kentucky and to go see the Brian Wilson Band next month in Nashville. I wonder if AL is touring the mid atlantic area this year. The real problem? None of us will ever again hear the voice of Carl Wilson or hear those original otherworldly harmonies of the Wilson Brothers and Mike Love. Lets all go out and see these guys, as they are, while we can. :police: very well said! i was fortunate enough to catch the beach boys and brian wilson within 3 months of each other here in australia. i think the odds of al jardine ever coming down here are VERY slim, but we can dream ;D |