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Perhaps we can discuss VDP's work a bit here too?

I am a huge, huge fan of his own 'solo' work. From 'Song Cycle' right through 'Moonlighting', it's fantastic. I am not really qualified to write reviews of each album, because I would run out of superlatives rather quickly. Let me only say that, when hearing 'Song Cycle' via headphones when I was 16 (in 1975, that is), I nearly asphyxiated, so breathless was I about the sheer inventiveness, the audacity, the arrangements and Lenny Waronker's production work. 'Discover America': ditto. Entirely different album, entirely same values. VDP was and is an enigma.

Out now is Inara George's CD 'An Invitation' (she's Lowell's daughter, by the way, and a friend of the Parks family). VDP did the arrangements, and going by the reviews, it's beautiful intimate chamber pop. Can't wait to hear it.
VDP also contributed to the new Clare And The Reasons album. Want to hear that too.
And I dearly like the soundtrack for the movie 'Popeye', another gem; Harry Nilsson and VDP are responsible for that one too.

I won't give away everything... there's a lot to enjoy at www.vandykeparks.com, a wonderful site approved by VDP, and run by German Jan Janssen.
Have fun!

I love his work. I thought Joanna Newsom's Ys sounded like it could just as well have been a VDP album with her lyrics--she clearly loves him. And his arrangements are always amazing. An Invitation is fantastic. It's a shame he doesn't have any money behind him to do his own work on a larger scale or more often.

Nice call, tks. I was so fortunate to see him twice live in concert: one time in 1996, with a large string orchestra behind him (around 20 people, I think, including a big harp); and the second time with a string quartet. Needless to say both events were magical and magisterial. The man's also a wonderful raconteur, he comes over as a slightly eccentrical, wonderfully educated professor in literature, politics, history and music.

Collecting VDP is quite a job- just counted over 50 album, 120 CD und about 20 45s in my collection and it's far from complete.

I'm glad I'm not a completist: if I don't like an artist he's working for, I don't feel the need to get it. I blow enough money on things I like to buy Rufus Wainright, U2 and Silverchair albums.

I suspect Van Dyke is in some regards similar to Randy Newman -- if forces come together to enable a solo album (and if he has songs he likes) he'll record it. If not, he's content to do arrangements and film scoring, etc. He's not young enough to record a string of solo albums for indie labels and tour smoky bars -- although that would be cool.

only a rumour or was there really a 45 release of "Riverboat" (WB 7632?)?

I really like VDP. I think I am one of the few that hates Song Cycle. I mean don't get me wrong, I love Jump, Toyko Rose, Clang of the Yankee Reaper, the stuff he did with Indra from Bird & The Bee (I think it is FANTASTIC!!) and Black Sheep from the Walk Hard movie. Just can't get into Song Cycle though for some reason.

Hiya Surfergirl7 -

I am not that surprised. After 'Song Cycle', VDP worked in more traditional song structures. Perhaps that is what you mean to express. SC is more 'experimental', more echo-y; it's definitely one of a kind and unrepeatable.

I think "traditional music" has become more and more important to him, he's trying to keep the "heritage of Americana" alive. Just check as an example the wonderful "Spooked" album by Marley's Ghost, which he produced 2006. The credit given by the band goes like this:
"Very special thanks to our skipper Van Dyke Parks, who, with humour and insight, guided us on a marvelous adventure to explore uncharted musical places"
and Ed Littlefield puts it in verse:
"Our prodigious producer Van Dyke
Told Dan, Jon, Ed and Mike
'More Chi-chi for you!'
And the parts grew and grew
Into amazing recordings we like

Now a band at hard work must be fed
Or they tire and grow weak in the head
With Van dyke in the kitchen
To create meals mas bitchin'
Is a most elegant way to break bread"

another example for unearthing old stuff is his interpretation of "Greenland Whale Fisheries" on Hal Willner's "Rogue's Gallery" project (2006).

Great post, dogear! I recall VDP in a TV documentary (in which Randy Newman also figures), wearing a cook's skirt (is that the expression) and making some sort of African soup or something... and I must check out that Willner project. VDP did a great job on a Willner LP from 1985 or so, with songs by Kurt Weill, notably the Johnny Jonson Medley, with singer Kathy Dalton. If I remember correctly, he also was present on the Willner project with Walt Disney music.
(...and I bought a Peter Case 12" once, 'Small Town Spree', because VDP arranged the strings on it).
Great musician, great person.

My favorite part about song cycle is that track 6 is "Van Dyke Parks" composed by "Public Domain" and track 7 is "Public Domain" composed by "Van Dyke Parks".

 :) Perhaps his next album will have as track 6 'Van Dyke Parks' composed by 'Trad Arr', and as track 7: 'Trad Arr', by 'Van Dyke Parks'?

Song Cycle was the glue that tied it together for me, in terms of getting into Smile. I bought Song Cycle in a 99 Cents store back in 1991. The cover looked cryptic, and kind of reminded me of, say, an XTC album jacket. Pastoral, dandy and slightly sardonic. I fell in love with that album, and as a teenager, no one, especially my girlfriend at the time, understood what I heard in it.

When I saw him interviewed on the B&W Brian Wilson documentary from 1995, I about crapped my pants. I thought no one in the world even knew who he was, let alone that he wrote lyrics with Brian Wilson. I always loved Brian's sweet falsetto voice on "Don't Worry Baby," but never thought in a million years that that voice would have been applied to far-out lyrics, like Van Dyke offered. It was like Christmas. Subconsciously, I always wanted to hear something that had Brian's voice and Van Dyke's lyrics, but I didn't think it would have existed. I thought I had Van Dyke all to myself. Like he was some great lost discovery.

Song Cycle is such an utter delight and gem!

I remember being turned on to it around the time of the release of the first edition of Domenic Priore's Smile book. It was a little inaccessible at first, but
after repeated listenings cemented itself into my brain in a marvelous way.

The delicate and ethereal quality of the music and sophisticated poetry of the lyrics is captivating and appeals to both the intellect and the musical spirit of the listener.

I also particularly love Discover America, the title track of Clang of the Yankee Reaper, Jump and the Moonlighting at the Ash Grove live album.

Long live Van Dyke Parks, and thanks for being so loyal and motivational to Brian through the years, and his participation in the original composition of Smile
and the dream come true of its recent completion and release.

Lovely post. I agree with the sentiments expressed. 'Clang Of The Yankee Reaper' is one of the finest things I know... melancholy, ethereal, beautifully used synths (a rarity), and, as so often is the case with VDP, those female choruses... I think the women sing something like 'Sun In The Moon', or words to that effect, in an oriental fashion; and indeed, I saw things like this as a personal treasure for many a year. Not that anyone in high school understood anything about it, mind. All other kids were into Genesis, ELP, that kind of stuff.
Another personal favourite: 'Ode To Tobago', off of 'Discover America'. The slightly delayed female voices (again!) never fail to bring me into a somewhat orgiastic state, because they remind me of the erotic paintings of Paul Gauguin (his Tahiti period).
Since you sing his praise here so directly, allow me to chime in. Many, may thanks to mr. Van Dyke Parks for his utmost loyalty to Brian Wilson (how I wish I'd seen the London première of SMiLE... because he was there. We opted for the fourth show in 2004, at the Royal Festival Hall, because it was initially the last one, the 'finale' so to speak. But of course, we had a miraculous time nevertheless!).

I think my favorite VDP album is actually his Moonlighting: Live at Ash Grove. His material sounds best to me on natural instruments and outside a studio environment. Too often those things get in the way, I think, painting it with the limitations of his finances (i.e. programmed orchestral instruments when he can't afford real ones) or just the annoyances of an era's style. Plus, the snippets of his conversation crack me up. That reading of "Orange Crate Art is my favorite (with the BW and VDP at the piano version from the BW doc IJWMFTT).

I too quite like Moonlighting, just a terrific album and good song selection. The versions of the OCA songs are just as good, as well as a fantastic version of "FDR In Trinidad."

I'm also a keen fan of his work on Rufus Wainwright's first album, lovely album all in all really.

In 2002 he arranged and conducted Rufus Wainwright's version of "It's only a Paper Moon". It was released on the soundtrack album "Stormy Weather - The Music of Harold Arlen" (SonyClassical).
Another highlight is his arrangement for "Ev'ry Time We Say Goodbye" on Carly Simon's "Film Noir" album (1997).

This is going to get me yelled at, but I'll say it anyway.  :p Am I the only one who watches the VDP interview in "Beautiful Dreamer" and thinks to himself "closet homosexual"?  There is this quote VDP makes to Brian's band in one scene. I can't remember it exactly, but I think he says something about them being "old hens". ;D

Generally, if someone is gay and in the closet, they wouldn't be so friggin' obvious. (And I say that as a gay guy.)

Whoa....Van Dyke Parks.

I love everything the man does.  It's unreal to look at a list of all the people he's worked with.  He's like a superhero or something, or a robot.  I love his solo albums the most though.  In fact, if I had to, I would trade my entire music collection to keep my VDP albums.  I'm serious.

Like a lot of people, it all started with "Song Cycle" for me.  I've never in my life reacted to music the way I did with that album.  It is my favourite album of all time.  "By The People" is my favourite.  It has no rules.

Then I looked into all he's done and realized that my whole life I've been in love with his work, but didn't know it (like that time when I was 11 and someone was buying Ry Cooder's debut album at a store and I ran up to him and started to talk about the string arrangement on "One Meat Ball"...turns out he just likes Ry Cooder's guitar playing....).  I quickly bought all VDP's albums and I love all of them to death.  I can't choose a favourite.  It's probably Tokyo Rose, actually.  "Manzanar"....whoa.  It sounds timeless.  And it's a very smart record too.  WHO writes such a beautiful song about a camp where they held Japanese Americans during WWII?  VDP's who.

And don't even get me started on Jump....  actually, this album is probably my favourite.

Err, as you can see, I can't even choose my favourite VDP album, but I can easily say that he is my fave rave. 

Have you seen this?  It's great:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=123pGTWPHAw

Overalls are awesome...

Ohhhhh yeah, and the Moonlighting album - Wings of a Dove blows my head off!  The piano, then the kick of the drum to start it off.  Whoa.

Q magazine (list #63 at: http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/q150lists.htm) claims Song Cycle
is the 4th most expensive album ever (a claim repeated in Wikipedia) at 218,000 pounds
in today's money ($48k then?).

But the gap between VDP and the top 3 is absurdly wide, so I don't find this credible at all--
surely many big albums have cost more than $300,000 US?
http://futureboy.homeip.net/fsp/dollar.fsp?quantity=48000&currency=dollars&fromYear=1968

Intriguing call. I sometimes wonder how long it took VDP to realize Song Cycle. Because modern 'superbands' look very lazy to me. They rake in millions with touring and take years to make an album. Surely that must be very costly? But then, they can even afford losing money on a CD, because of those ugly ticket prices they demand nowadays for a stadium seat about 5 miles away from the stage... >:(

http://www.heavysugarradio.com/2008/09/van-dyke-parks-song-cycle-1968-ryko.html

There is no question that things moved more quickly then than now. Clearly, the corporate world--and let's not kid ourselves, while it was getting there then, it is nothing but that now--has a certain machinery that includes project planning. focus groups, marketing plans and the like. Everything is slow. Everything includes consultants. Everything costs money. I believe that Song Cycle was ridiculously expensive, but I have serious questions that it remains the fourth most expensive album ever, all things considered. Mr. W. Axl Rose is STILL racking up costs on an album that's nearing what, 15 years overdue? For Parks to hire real, live musicians and actually paying someone to write out their parts was undoubtedly expensive. But really, I doubt it's anywhere near fourth all-time anymore. I question the list. Just off the top of my head, Zappa's London Symphony Orchestra albums HAD to be at least equally expensive.

But isn't 'Chinese Democracy' a word pun, about something that won't happen anyway? I'd think that if I wanted to fool people, I could come up with something like this too...

 If you do, share some of the wealth with me.

OF COURSE!!!!!

I don't know why I never thought of that. Damn that Axl Rose, trying to trick us like that. Pfft.

I finally have seen something I want to respond to here, and VDP is my prime candidate for a very limited edition boxed set that would collect the best of his tracks from his albums. and some other tracks, such as those from the early Loss Leader albums that are worth using. We could start with the Steeltown Two and work forward to the present day.

Hi Peter, greetings from Germany. Good idea, but I thinks there are far too many songs with VDP participation - they would fill several boxed sets.

Box 1 VDP as  producer
Box 2 VDP as  arranger
Box 3 VDP as  player

hey dogear - your collection sounds cool! what would you say your favorite vdp 45s are? i collect 45s too and wouldn't mind some vdp tips ;)

"Come to the sunshine/Farther Along" MGM K13570 and
"Number Nine (partly sung in German)/Do What You Wanta" MGM K13441 are a must - they're from the pre-Smile era. (1965/66)

Mojo Men: "Sit Down I Think I Love You" Reprise 0539 great VDP arrangement (1967)
George Washington Brown (=VDP) "Donovan's Colours" WB 7026 (1967)
"The eagle and Me/On the rolling Sea" (Both non-LP) WB 7409 (1970)
"Ocapella/Ode to Tobago" WB7609
"John Jones/Riverboat" WB 7632 (never seen this one) both from Discover America (1972) -
last 45 release in the US,
there is a German "Opportunity For Two/Many a Mile to go" WB 9292647 (1984) though.

If you like Steel Band Music other 45 which he produced are worth a mention:
Esso Trinidad Steelband: Superstar/Singer man WB 7532 (1971)
Goldie Hawn: Pitta Patta Reprise 1126 (1972)
Dino Martin: Sitting in Limbo Reprise 1129 (1972)

Oddity: Frank Stallone (Rocky's brother) "A Case Of You/Sea Song" produced By Nilsson, arrangements and accordion by VDP Scotti Brothers 11613 (European Release 1980)

Fresh from 2006: Matthew Sweet & Susanna Hoffs The Pillowcase EP, VDP plays piano on "The Village Green Preservation Society" Parasol/Shout Factory 038

Seconced, thirded, fourthed, and fifthed. There must be lots of hidden gems out there... somewhere I have the commercial for Datsun cars he did. It is so... weirdly beautiful, with those nymphs chanting the name of the car. Really, it exists outside of time. Ahead of time, or very backwards, or left or right or everywhere.
Say, Peter, can you make that a limited+1 box set edition (just in case)?

fyi (from bbb):
It has been brought to our attention that Van Dyke Parks is appearing in concert, along with Imara George (daughter of Little Feat's Lowell George) on Sunday, November 23rd at:

The Jazz Cafe
Camden Town
London

Tickets for "Standing Room Only" =
Tel 0870 0603777

Tickets for Restaurant Area =
Tel: 0207 768 88899

Please check out the Jazz Cafe website, for more information:

jazzcafe.co.uk


The gig has been described as "An Intimate Evening with Van Dyke Parks and Imara George".

That's Inara George. They released an album together earlier this year, An Invitation, on Everloving Records.

Watch this:
www.kcrw.com/music/programs/mb/mb080912inara_george_and_van (http://www.kcrw.com/music/programs/mb/mb080912inara_george_and_van)

Great! How can one record this onto CD or DVD? Is there such thing as a programme? And: thanks!

if I were a TV exec I would give VDP his own show, an hour every few weeks, and say "just do what the hell you want"

I'm sure it would be extremely entertaining, and often educational.

I agree. There is a Dutch documentary where he and Randy Newman are together, having a nice chat. If you are in the mood you'll wet your pants laughing all the way through.

Would kill to see this man perform near me!!

Ditto. I'm straight and gay marriage is illegal here, but I'd probably propose to him anyway. A word-nerd who plays a mean piano? Yes, please.

Hey Jay, whatcha mean by VDP's "two hens" quote?

To hear these songs with traditional instrumentation is so... weird. I think part of the appeal of the CD is the weirdness of the disconnect of the vocals from the rest of what's going on. But here they all go together.

true

Two more advantages. He loves his red wine, and allegedly he is a great cook (does exotic African soups, for instance). Yes. He'd make a great wife. Luther, go for it!

Well I love red wine and also to cook. Maybe I'd make the great wife. In fact ... are VDP and I a lesbian couple? wtf?

 ;D brilliant...

Can I get the sloppy VDP seconds?

Back of the line, bro'.  However for those also interested in his music as well as his cooking, the Japanese reissue of "Song Cycle" is the version to get; totally remastered, apparently. Though you may all know this, thought I'd mention it.

One of my favorites from his oeuvre has to be the Trinidad Steel Band album. I love Discover America and to have yet another album consisting of the very same sound is just purely amazing.

Can you, um, transfer said album onto some kind of clay tablet and shoot that clay tablet with a cannon into the general direction of Europe?

I second this sentiment wholeheartedly! Esso Trinidad's LP is definitely one of those records that was worth the effort in tracking down and puts me in a wonderful mood everytime I throw it on and hear those grooves and rhythms bursting from the LP! Definitely recommended for all VDP fans..



Another one of my favorite Van Dyke Parks songs, High Coin from the 2nd Harpers Bizarre album. A great little psychedelic number

some non-LP Steelband stuff:
Esso Trinidad...: Cecilia WB 7447
Esso Trinidad...: Superstar WB 7537
Trinidad Tripoli...: Apeman WB 7476
They're all VDP productions I've been told. Everbody got those??

I can't really understand why Jump! hasn't entered the popular consciousness yet. It's very accessible and catchy - universal appeal, especially but not exclusively to children - and I guess it was a massive and very confident comeback for someone who appears to have kindof disappeared at one time in the 1970s. Actually, I'll hazard a guess - Jump! is still destined to cross through onto the pop cultural radar at one point or another. It's more about how and when, than if.

High Coin is superb. If I am right VDP himself sings on it, thought uncredited. Gorgeous melody, great production values. There is also a lovely version of this song by the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band, sort of a folk instrumental rendition.

ex-band mate (Greenwood Singers) and future Jefferson Airplane producer Rick Jarrard recorded the song on a 45 (Chattahoochee 700), he sounds like a mid-sixties Dylan produced by Phil Spector.
There's another version on 45 by a band called Fault Line on RCA 9771, but i haven't heard that one yet.

You can listen to seven diffrent versions of "High Coin" here (a.o. the version by The Fault Line):

http://philxmilstein.com/probe/index.htm

(look for session 234)

Thanks Christian, great!

Yes that is very much appreciated, cheers.

dig his songcyclish arrangement on Jackie DeShannon's version. Thanks Christian!!

anyone think song cycle would have been more succesful if say VDP had got someone like Glen Campbell to sing it?

Just a random thought that occured to me today.  I like VDPs voice but it seems to suit Discover America better and is maybe a little weedy for SC.

Harry Nilsson singing Song Cycle would have been incredible

Does the new remastering of "Song Cycle" take out some of that damned reverb?

That's what kept me from enjoying the treasures within--so much ketchup drowning the steak.

This link is still good. and GOOD!

surprised I have not seen anyone mention this yet - http://www.state.ie/news/27287-van-dyke-parks-european-tour-details

Hope they set up some kind of club/subscription to order all 5 singles.

Union Chapel tonight! eeeeeeeeeee!


Is anyone else from the board going?

No-one? A damn shame, as he was in good form! Full of joie de vivre and high spirits, and received a standing ovation. Met him afterwards, although didn't get a chance to mention the Smile box as i was in a somewhat starstruck mood.  ;D

I do enjoy Harry Nilsson's take of Vine Street on Nilsson Sings Newman

Hope people have been up to date with the new 7" singles series:

http://www.bananastan.com/singles.html

Now I'm really annoyed I skipped the London concert  >:(

Thanks!

Totally did not realize his singles were already available for download.

Also, just saw on itunes that a set called 'Arrangements Volume 1' was released May 10th on itunes - it has Come to the Sunshine, Do What You Wanta, Farther Along, and Ice Capades (which sounds like a track from A Clockwork Orange).

Sorry if this has already been talked about - I've been outta the loop for around two weeks now.

http://bananastan.com/esso.html