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Just checked iTunes this morning (Netherlands version) and That Lucky Old Sun is now available to preorder for €9.99.

There are 2 bonus tracks - 'Oh Mi Amor', and 'Message Man', as well as a video - 'Midnight's Another Day/Lucky Old Sun Reprise', and a digital booklet. All except the booklet are available for previewing.

Nice to see the folks responsible have put together an appealing digital-bundle.

It's available on the US store for $11.99. There's also a nice looking pre-order page.

Bonus tracks!  I nearly made water in my pants!  Definitely wasn't expecting this...

They both sound great, especially "Message Man".  That bass sounds killer.  Honestly, itunes just might be the way to go for Brian.  Every few months or so, just upload some demos as a mini EP.  If only he wasn't so out of touch technology-wise; imagine Brian with a synth and a laptop, crankin' out little slice of Bri-Life tunes.  Who cares if they're polished or not!

Back to the bonus tracks, anybody know anything about the origins of said tracks?

Geoff

Not sure, but maybe they are the ones that Brian wanted to add to That Lucky Old Sun but due to a lack of time to rehearse the songs it prevented them from being added? Or maybe they are the ones he wrote in Oz? :shrug

Wow I just checked those two bonus cuts and judging from the short 30 second clips they are really good!! What a shame they aren't on the regular CD/Vinyl releases.

Yeah and presumably you won't be able to buy these bonus tracks as standalones from Itunes, you'll have to get the whole album. That is a clever move by Itunes.

Is Messageman, anything to do with the track Beatleman, that BW said he'd wrote in his creative spree?

I sure hope not as I've already ordered the album (I would of regardless as I like to have the physical CD in my hands) and I don't want to buy it all again. I know it says "Full album only" but maybe that is just while it is only available as a pre-order? So hopefully when it is officially released on iTunes then they will allow you to buy each individual track?

Oh Mi Amor sounds great, wish it made the abum.

Oh Mi Amor sounds like it could be on Imagination, even Brian's voice. I think you are going to have to buy the whole album in order to get these songs, though. :(

I bought Alice Cooper's new album on CD a couple of weeks ago, and then paid €2 on iTunes for their exclusive bonus tracks.

Well, I just checked, and with Along Came a Spider, you can buy each track separately. You can't do that with TLOS.

There will also be 2 bonus tracks with Carol King on the Best Buy CD Only version. 

The bonus tracks thing is starting to be really irritating.  I have pre-ordered the vinyl & CD/DVD version, and will not have any of the 4 bonus tracks that are available out there.

I know that I will probably be able to find them, or get someone to rip them and email them to me, but is it any wonder that fans want to download the stuff for free so that they don't have to buy 4 versions of a single album to get all the songs.

The bonus tracks are meant to drive people to the stores -- or to the iTunes store, too. The latest McCartney album had some of this, too. There was a different bonus track for each of like four or five retailers.

I think it's foolish of artists to have different agreements for bonus tracks with different retailers: even esteemed artists are asking for illegal file-sharing by doing that. I'd bet most real fans of artists will shell out extra bucks for an album version with bonus material ... but three, four? That's asking a lot. (Kind of like Bob Dylan asking an extra $100 for his upcoming rarities/unreleased album because of a live disc and a book.) Regarding those named bonus songs, by the way, I believe both titles were given back when Brian's camp initially announced a new album, pre-TLOS announcement but after or during his and Scott's writing sessions. There was at that time mention of a ballad to be sung in Spanish.

They don't do bonus tracks so you'll buy several albums.  They do bonus tracks to persuade you that THAT's the best place to get the album.

For instance, Best Buy probably promised him that they'll put his cd featured in their weekly mailer that week, they'll place it on the new release rack, and they'll order x amount of copies if he'll let them have two bonus tracks nobody else has. 

It makes complete sense for artists to do that.  They get extra promotion out of it from some of the biggest retailers in the world, and Best Buy gets the opportunity to have an exclusive package that will keep people from buying the cd at wal mart. 

It makes great sense to cut such a deal with one retailer. But different deals with different bonus tracks with different retailers is ridiculous.

Hang on, am I missing something? I thought there was just the two bonus tracks that were available at the iTunes store? There isn't any others are there? Where does it say this? I'm confused ???

I believe the proper spelling is confussed...  :lol  As for multiple versions, I wasn't referring specifically to Brian. Claymcc said McCartney had done different bonus tracks with different retailers. Although with Brian, we have seen two titles for bonus tracks on iTunes, and heard there are two tracks with Carole King on the Best Buy version. Are they the same two bonus tracks? I don't know.

Well yes I am a bit confussed :P But only because I am a bit annoyed that I bought the album (with the DVD) and then I found out there are all of  these different versions with bonus tracks!! I was just confused because I went to the Best Buy CD only version and it said nothing about Carole King (as far as I could see) but it did have a "Best Buy Exclusive" mentioned on the page. So I was just wondering where it says anything about Carole King?

About half a dozen posts up in this thread is where I saw anything re King (other than previous word of them working together).

Okay thanks Luther, I will wait and see if anyone else can find anything in regards to these King tracks. I was thinking that maybe people got confused and the user above who mentioned these King bonus tracks just meant that there was bonus tracks on a Carole King CD? I know they said "2 bonus tracks with Carol King" but maybe they were just being confusing? ;)

I think one of the Carole King tracks will surely be the original version of "Good Kind of Love".

How is it rediculous?  If I were Brian, I'd cut dozens of deals with different retailers.  Every single one of them is going to sweeten the deal and give him something in return that will ultimately help the album be successful.  How can you complain as a fan that he's putting out even more music?  Is your position honestly that you'd prefer him to only give away 2 bonus tracks as compared to 6 or 8 or however many he's done?  The more the merrier!

I never understood why people preorder anyways.  Especially stuff like this... all you have to do is the day it comes out, drive to the store and buy one.  It's not going to sell out the first day.  There's always extra stuff if you buy it at certain stores... so why preorder?  It's even cheaper to buy it at best buy than to order it. 

Now the Vinyl I can kind of understand, it might be hard to find, etc etc but a cd?  They're everywhere!

Well in Australia a lot of stuff ain't out in stores when it first comes out. The Dennis CD was only available if you ordered it in for example.

Yeah, I guess I could see it for countries outside the U.S., but over here everything is everywhere as soon as it comes out.  Actually, with Brian and others it's kind of a fun little game.  When the tuesday comes around that the c.d. comes out on, I go to best buy (usually) because they're usually pretty cheap, and sometimes have extra stuff.  When you get in there, they always have the newest rap cds out on the displays, and maybe even some of the big country acts... but Brian is usually hiding somewhere.  So you have to walk around looking for him.  I usually find him on a cart of the 'lesser' cd's that they haven't put out yet, but are working on.  It's kind of like Christmas. 

If you go to Wal mart, they always have them too but they're still in Cardboard boxes, so you usually have to read the labels on the side of the box to see which box he's in this time.  LOL

It is rediculous because I don't want to have to buy 4 versions of the same album to get all the tracks.  If I could buy just the bonus tracks from somewhere, then it wouldn't be an issue.  It makes me want to not buy any version and just wait for the album to be posted somewhere for me to download.  Although I will still get the CD/DVD & Vinyl versions.  I am going to hope that I can find someone to get me the other 4 songs.  I don't want to spend +$80 for a total of 22 tracks.

Jean Sievers posted on the Imagination mailing list that the Best Buy bonus tracks are different from the iTunes bonus tracks, and are with Carol King.  Many people have assumed that these 2 tracks would be the ones that were written about several years ago, "Good Kind Of Love" with Carol singing Taylor's part, and "I'm Into Something Good," a cover of the Herman's Hermits song.

Well, I'm DEFINATELY getting the Best Buy version now.  The admin over at Brian's board just posted what the tracks are.

"Good Kind Of Love" featuring Carole King
"I'm Into Something Good" featuring Carole King (was a hit for the Herman's Hermits back in the 60s and written by Goffin/King) and
"Just Like Me And You" which was written by Brian solo.


I've always loved "I'm into something good" and I think Brian could do a great job with it.  Who thinks Brian's next album might be an album of cover songs?  Isn't that the hip thing to do when you become an old and established artist?

Wow, thanks for that Ron. I'm even more excited for this release now with all these bonus tracks. And I like your suggestion of a covers album. While some people might find it dull, I think it would be cool for Brian to cover his favourite songs.

It does piss me off that these different versions of albums are released to entice is to buy the same stuff over and over again.  I've posted on the Blueboard to try get the Admin there to let us know what's coming out where as the news is fragmented and frustrating.  I don't expect a reply there though -  that site's for fans and it's getting harder to see how much respect is left for fans.

The Live at the Roxy CD, way back when, was at the time the worst example of ripping fans off to date. I have no fewer that five versions -  the four CD versions each have different track line-up; three were expansions of the original "only available online" release. The final (Japanese) version had six bonus tracks over and above the original.

What about a definitive, for-the-hardcore-fans, brianwilson.com-only TLOS release that includes all the album plus the bonus tracks in one package?

Are they scared the album won't sell enough otherwise?

Like Parks Asher, I don't want to shell out for all these scattered extras. It used to be fun, going to great lengths,  tracking down obscure releases in stores and way-off websites,  but now they just wave them at as we approach the till. Having been a BBs?BW fan for almost 40 years, this is the first time I'm started to feel trampled on.

What are the differences between those Live At The Roxy versions? I have the version here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_at_the_Roxy_Theatre with those three bonus tracks. And of course there is the DVD-Audio version but what are the other bonus tracks on the other ones?

Web only -  original 13 tracks

US stores release - + Sloop, Barbara Ann, Interview

Europe release - those + Wouldn't It Be Nice & Help Me Rhonda

Japanese release - all those + Fun Fun Fun.

In each case the interview was bumped to be the final track.

Thanks for that Wee Helper, I didn't realise there was so many versions!!

I'm just excited to be getting all this extra BW music.

Five new tracks?
Three new Brian comps?

Hot damn!

And now the TLOS debacle:

iTunes bonus tracks:
Oh Mi Amor & Message Man, video for MAD + digital booklet.

Best Buy Bonus Tracks:
Good Kind Of Love featuring Carole King
I'm Into Something Good featuring Carole King
Just LIke Me And You, Brian solo.

And apparently different track listings

Best Buy (18 tracks listed):
1. That Lucky Old Sun
2. Morning Beat
3. Narrative: Room With a View
4. Good Kind of Love
5. Forever My Surfer Girl
6. Narrative: Venice Beach
7. Live Let Live
8. Mexican Girl
9. Narrative: Cinco De Mayo
10. California Role
11. Narrative: Between Pictures
12. Oxygen
13. Can't Wait Too Long
14. Midnight's Another Day
15. Lucky Old Sun [Reprise]
16. Going Home
17. Southern California
18. Roll-Around Heaven [Reprise]

Capitol (16 tracks listed):
1. That Lucky Old Sun
2. Morning Beat
3. That Lucky Old Sun (narrative)
4. Good Kind Of Love
5. Forever My Surfer Girl
6. That Lucky Old Sun (narrative)
7. Live Let Live
8. Mexican Girl
9. That Lucky Old Sun (narrative)
10. California Role
11. That Lucky Old Sun (narrative)
12. Oxygen
13. Can’t Wait Too Long (vocal excerpt)
14. Midnight’s Another Day
15. Going Home
16. Southern California

Amazon (17 tracks listed):
1. That Lucky Old Sun
2. Morning Beat
3. Room With A View
4. Good Kind Of Love
5. Forever She'll Be My Surfer Girl
6. Venice Beach
7. Live Let Live/That Lucky Old Sun
8. Mexican Girl
9. Cinco De Mayo
10. California Role/That Lucky Old Sun
11. Between Pictures
12. Oxygen To The Brain
13. Can't Wait Too Long
14. Midnight's Another Day
15. That Lucky Old Sun
16. Going Home
17. Southern California


I know, I know, I'm having as moan.

But it's all inconsistent, frustrating and a rather amateurish on someone's part, not to mention a kick in the balls for UK fans who can't buy the Best Buy version.

Don't forget us Australian fans!! But I agree with you, this does seem kinda strange that each website lists different track listings for the album? Why couldn't they just have included all of the tracks on the one release and charged us an extra 3 or 4 dollars for the album?

That would have suited me down to the ground. And I think most fans, the world over!

It's because TLOS is a piece. With a beginning and end. The bonus tracks should not be part of the main issue.

That being said, it would be nice if they could be separately purchased on a bonus EP or something. Actually, my guess is that Capitol reissues the album next year in a super-deluxe edition with all the bonus tracks and a full concert DVD. Bet you anything.

As for the different track listings (16, 17 or 18 tracks) those are all the same album. Bet you anything. Some of the brief snippets are being listed in different ways.

"I can't have it all, so I don't want ANY OF IT!!!!"

How childish.  How about you just pick one, and be happy with it?  We all know you'll just download the extra tracks anyways, is it really a big deal? 

Hey, here's a clue... he's got 100's of unreleased tracks as well.  Would you rather he just keep a few of these unreleased?  What's with all the greed of wanting it ALL.  Nobody says you have to buy every album.  I won't. 

That's the point I was making that you obviously missed earlier: by cutting these deals, you are enticing very few people to actually buy multiple versions. You are mostly just inviting people to illegally download the tracks from the other versions they didn't buy. And so it barely (if at all) helps in terms of getting people to buy multiple copies, and it creates bad will among fans who feel shat upon by being asked to buy three or four versions.

Even though I ordered the Best Buy version, the CD/DVD version, and will download the iTunes version, in addition to the vinyl that should be in my hands tomorrow or Friday....  the version I'll listen to most is just the regular ol standard CD issue.  Why?  Because, like SMiLE, TLOS is a song-cycle unto itself.  From "That Lucky Old Sun" to "Southern California" and the "Rollin Round Heaven" reprise, it is one complete thought. No bonus tracks needed.  Your mileage may vary.

As to the bonus tracks issue... I posted the following to BW.com and emailed Jean Sievers as well

I fully understand the premise of certain retailers wanting "exclusive" bonus tracks. However how long is the "exclusive" period?

I would like to see a new, BW.com only CD release that consists of:

Live Let Live (Arctic Tale version)
Midnight's Another Day (demo version from website)
Forever My Surfer Girl (demo version with extra verse from website)
Heaven (from website)
Oh Mi Amor
Message Man
Good Kind Of Love (with Carole King)
I'm Into Something Good (with Carole King)
Just Like Me And You
that Spanish ballad mentioned in interviews a while back

I think this would be a nice gesture to the most dedicated of Brian's fans.

Jeff -- I bet that "Oh Mi Amor" is the Spanish ballad.

Unless he went on a Spanish-language ballad streak for a while and has an album's worth of them lying about.

I wouldn't put it past him, that's the funny thing.

The 30-second iTunes preview for Oh Mi Amor is completely in English.

You're out by a mile. Of COURSE I'll buy the album; I just want to maximise what I get for my pounds. I don't have many left and there's a wean on the way that's pretty soon going to demand that I spend money on him/her instead of these CDs/DVDs.

And I don't download available released music, on principle. Don't mind downloading otherwise-unavailable boots from time to time, but not the stuff that's in stores.

As a fan for many, many years I want to hear as much BW/BBs material as possible -  I love it, I'm interested. Maybe addicted.  Just not sure how much longer I can afford to buy it.

Another special edition:

http://www.newburycomics.com/rel/v2_home.php?storenr=103&deptnr=594

Not too worried about missing out on this one though!  ::)  :lol

he's not trying to get people to buy multiple copies.  AGAIN, if you would open your mind a little bit you'd see that this is the result of the companies that want the exclusives on these albums.  Brian doesnt' have a damn thing to do with it.  He gives Best Buy 3 extra tracks because they gave him a sweet deal.  Same thing with Amazon and a million others if it makes sense to Brian.  It isn't so everybody will buy several, it's so people will pick 1, and buy IT because it's a better CD than the others.  You're the only one talking about buying several.  I didn't make your point, you missed mine. 

You still are missing my point entirely. And I know you think I'm missing yours, but you're wrong in that. However, if it will please you, feel free to write it again in all caps. I appreciate the suggestion of me opening my mind, however. I'll really look into it. I will. Because you asked me to.

Well, as I discussed, I am annoyed by the various versions with differing bonus tracks, so I cancelled my Best Buy order today for the vinyl and CD/DVD.
 
I just got back from a local record store after buying the vinyl.  It sounds amazing!!!!! !!!!  I am pumped.  I am ripping it to CD as I listen to it for the first time so I can listen to it at work tomorrow as well.
 
The album artwork looks really cool on the big vinyl jacket.  California Role is just starting, and so far this is by far Brian's best solo album.  For those that care, all songs are Wilson/Bennett except for Live Let Live is Wilson/Parks.  Can't Wait Too Long & Good Kind Of Love is Wilson only.  Oh, and the narratives are all Wilson/Parks.
 
I am loving this album! As a big Brian fan I want the DVD and bonus tracks.  But I do not want to have to pay 11.99 to get the 2 bonus tracks at iTunes, or 14.99 to get the 3 bonus tracks at Best Buy.   And as someone that before I was married and had kids probably would have just bought them all, it is insulting to put those various versions out there and expect someone to pay $80 to get everything that is being released, when 90% of it is duplicated.

The track listings appear to be the same content, aside from whether they split out the "Lucky Old Sun / Roll Around Heaven" reprises as separate tracks or not.

One less thing to moan about...

Cheers,
Jon Blum