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Title: Al Jardine Post by: KokoMoses on July 28, 2008, 02:52:09 PM I think Al doesn't get enough props as a singer. Too much of the Beach Boys is all about who wrote what and who sucks and who's a genius when too often, the pure pleasure of these guys voices hardly gets any attention.
As far as singers go, Brian and Dennis both swallowed a toad or 2 along the way, Carl's voice got deeper, more soulfull, Mike got more nasal, Bruce.... was Bruce, but Al's voice has stayed the same in the best possible way. I think he rules Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Shady on July 28, 2008, 04:14:53 PM Oh man no doubt.
I feel Al without a doubt had the most commercial voice In the BB. And he was a great rhythm guitar player. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Amanda Hart on July 28, 2008, 04:35:34 PM I totally love Al's voice. He sounds great in the blend or with a lead.
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: oldsurferdude on July 28, 2008, 07:36:07 PM I totally love Al's voice. He sounds great in the blend or with a lead. [/quote Shame he's not with Brian anymore. And Mr. Positivity is apparently brain dead to the fact that Al would vastly improve the sound of his tribute band while giving it added legitimacy. :smokin Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Loaf on July 29, 2008, 12:55:00 AM They tried adding Al to the band...it didn't work out. Brian had an on-stage episode. Too many bad memories? Exit Al. End of story.
It's a shame, i'd love to see Al back in there, his voice was like pure crystal, but it doesn't look likely. Hopefully this also means the end to any possible BB reunions. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on July 30, 2008, 07:20:49 AM They tried adding Al to the band...it didn't work out. Brian had an on-stage episode. Too many bad memories? Exit Al. End of story. What specifically happened? Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 30, 2008, 02:52:32 PM It is my impression, from what I read and heard, that Al's appearances were kinda casual and unofficial. Don't think Al was getting paid, and Brian's 'team' never invited Al to be a part of the band.. So maybe it's just the bottom line - money; same with Al not touring with Mike and Bruce. Their share of the $ would have to be reduced to pay AL. Mike and Bruce; and Brian, would have more legitimate bands with Al. But they wouldn't make more money with Al, so thus, no Al Jardine. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Bicyclerider on July 30, 2008, 02:58:16 PM Yeah, but why does everyone (at least several people on this board, that counts as everyone, doesn't it?) seem to link Brian's sitting down/fainting episode with Al being "disinvited" to appear with Brian on the Pet Sounds one more time tour? Does anyone really think Al did something to make Brian feel faint? If someone has inside knowledge on this, let us in on it - but it sounds to me like they are two completely separate issues. On the other hand, according to Mike Love's many lawsuits, Al has mental health issues and a bad temper . . .
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Dave in KC on July 30, 2008, 05:35:17 PM Oh for sure, Mike says Alan has mental health issues. He should know since he was once in under treatment himself. Like most things, it's a money issue. Gheez, maybe the Eagles can cut TBS loose!
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: roll plymouth rock on July 30, 2008, 05:38:34 PM Keepin' it clean with Al Jardine ;D
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 30, 2008, 05:50:23 PM Oh for sure, Mike says Alan has mental health issues. He should know since he was once in under treatment himself. Was he "under treatment"? What can you tell me about that? Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Wilsonista on July 30, 2008, 08:32:01 PM Mike was hospitalized in 1970 after a stressful TM fast, Fred Vail relays the story in Heroes and Villains,
Mike missed some BB shows - Brian was drafted in to replace him (the 1970 Seatle show was during this run of shows). And SJS, shouldn't you have already known that? Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 30, 2008, 08:59:26 PM Mike was hospitalized in 1970 after a stressful TM fast, Fred Vail relays the story in Heroes and Villains, Mike missed some BB shows - Brian was drafted in to replace him (the 1970 Seatle show was during this run of shows). And SJS, shouldn't you have already known that? Yeah, Rob, I did know it. I gotta stop my sarcastic, rhetorical questions. People aren't getting them - it's my fault. When the poster stated that Mike was "under treatment himself", I took exception to it. Again, I thought it was an unfair shot at Mike Love. Mike was hospitalized for what, a few days, after a fasting period. I view it as more of a physical problem than a mental one. And, yes, I read about the straightjacket. But I still don't view it as "under treatment", as if he had a psychological problem that needed treatment in the form of prescribed medication, therapy, and/or extended hospitalization. And maybe the poster didn't mean that either. But a couple of shows missed in 47 years, "under treatment", come on.... Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: tpesky on July 30, 2008, 09:12:46 PM I think, if I remember , they had decided Al's run was done before Brian fainted during 1 show. I don't think that had anything to do with it. I'm not sure what did. Shame too, they put on a great show in NYC. If it made Brian upset, why would he go to Red Barn and sing on Al's album?
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: HeyJude on July 30, 2008, 09:50:24 PM They tried adding Al to the band...it didn't work out. Brian had an on-stage episode. Too many bad memories? Exit Al. End of story. It's a shame, i'd love to see Al back in there, his voice was like pure crystal, but it doesn't look likely. Hopefully this also means the end to any possible BB reunions. I was at the show where Brian had that "episode." June 11th, 2007 at The Mountain Winery in Saratoga, CA. There is no evidence, and I saw nothing that indicated his "episode" had anything to do with Al. Al showed concern when it happened and was asking Brian if he was okay, etc. It was in fact Al who sort of took charge and called for an intermission. But that whole thing sort of got skewed and overblown, mostly by people that weren't even at the show. But that can all be re-traced by going back on the various boards to last year and reading the various posts. As someone else pointed out, whatever the reason was for Al dropping out of the European tour dates, that decision had been made prior to this show. Al came out and did the show apparently even though he knew he wasn't going to be going on the European tour. Al hadn't even been advertised as being part of the Saratoga show. Further, I don't even think it's really accuate to say that Al stopped touring with Brian's band as if it was a permanent thing that now will never happen again, because in the instances where Al joined Brian's shows, it wasn't advertised or touted as a permanent thing. If Al had done that European tour, I don't think he would have then permanently started touring with Brian. In fact, even when he was slated to do the European tour, I believe it was put around that he wouldn't be at the shows later in the year for "That Lucky Old Sun." Also, while I'm not holding my breath, it certainly doesn't seem totally impossible that Al might sit in with Brian again at some point. Al in total only did like 10 or 11 shows with Brian by my count. I consider myself lucky that I got to see two of those, including to date the last show they did together. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 31, 2008, 12:57:28 AM I was at the show where Brian had that "episode." June 11th, 2007 at The Mountain Winery in Saratoga, CA. There is no evidence, and I saw nothing that indicated his "episode" had anything to do with Al. Al showed concern when it happened and was asking Brian if he was okay, etc. It was in fact Al who sort of took charge and called for an intermission. But that whole thing sort of got skewed and overblown, mostly by people that weren't even at the show. But that can all be re-traced by going back on the various boards to last year and reading the various posts. As someone else pointed out, whatever the reason was for Al dropping out of the European tour dates, that decision had been made prior to this show. Al came out and did the show apparently even though he knew he wasn't going to be going on the European tour. Al hadn't even been advertised as being part of the Saratoga show. Further, I don't even think it's really accuate to say that Al stopped touring with Brian's band as if it was a permanent thing that now will never happen again, because in the instances where Al joined Brian's shows, it wasn't advertised or touted as a permanent thing. If Al had done that European tour, I don't think he would have then permanently started touring with Brian. In fact, even when he was slated to do the European tour, I believe it was put around that he wouldn't be at the shows later in the year for "That Lucky Old Sun." Also, while I'm not holding my breath, it certainly doesn't seem totally impossible that Al might sit in with Brian again at some point. Al in total only did like 10 or 11 shows with Brian by my count. I consider myself lucky that I got to see two of those, including to date the last show they did together. I agree with the above; from what I read, Brian's "episode" had nothing to do with Al not touring Europe with Brian. Can see Al singing with Brian again in future. After all, Brian was there in court with Al the week Mike Love's latest lawsuit was settled. Weren't they singing together at some point while waiting for a late Mike Love to arrive? (HEY, WE'VE NEVER HEARD ANY DETAILS OF THAT SETTLEMENT. ANYBODY?) What I was trying to say was that Al's appearances with Brian were somewhat informal. Just like an offer from Brian to show up and play some gigs - and give Al Jardine some good exposure. And, from what I read between the lines, that there was no financial offer from BRIMEL for Al to tour Europe with Brian. Just typical Beach Boy 'loosy goosy' management and planning. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Pretty Funky on August 03, 2008, 03:08:05 PM To me the 'Al has to finish his album' line was a quickly thrown together line of b/s that only leads to speculation about the real reason.
Most of us here are out of the loop so do not know why, but I think we do care about these guys enough to be concerned. It would be very sad to think Brian and Al have fallen out. Other reasons...Money (Al wanted it), Pushed out by Brians management (Al's singing made Brian look shabby), Al wanted more leads, Billing, Musical control, Al seeing what it was like for Brian on the road, Mental issues (Brian or Al) While not concerned if they get together in the future musically, it would be sad if they are no longer friends. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Sheriff John Stone on August 03, 2008, 03:31:16 PM Other reasons...Money (Al wanted it)... While nothing Al does or (especially) says would surprise me, I hope it wasn't about money. It would be pretty sad if Al, a 66 year old multi-millionaire, who has had very little exciting going for him over the last decade, would stop touring with his friend, Brian, and that amazing band, because of a dispute over money. Al isn't the most in-demand artist going these days. He should offer to perform for free! But, again, nothing Al does surprises me.... Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on August 03, 2008, 04:59:31 PM Other reasons...Money (Al wanted it)... While nothing Al does or (especially) says would surprise me, I hope it wasn't about money. It would be pretty sad if Al, a 66 year old multi-millionaire, who has had very little exciting going for him over the last decade, would stop touring with his friend, Brian, and that amazing band, because of a dispute over money. Al isn't the most in-demand artist going these days. He should offer to perform for free! But, again, nothing Al does surprises me.... Well, if they weren't paying Al at all, why go to Europe on his own dime? It's not like he hasn't done it all before. Yes, he doesn't need the money but why deal with the hastle, and pay for it. If he had more leads, a bigger role, maybe it might have happened. But Brian did sing on Al's album, they hung out in court; I'd say thinks are fine between Brian and Al. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Sheriff John Stone on August 03, 2008, 05:14:31 PM What if Al would've gone to Brian and said, "Hey, would it be OK if I handled another lead vocal or two. What do you think?" Who would've objected to that? Don't answer that...
If Al said, "Hey, Brian, is it possible to go along to Europe with you, and maybe you could write off my fare and room there, how about that"? Who would've objected to that? Don't answer that... I still think Al should've played for free! What else does he have to do? Don't answer that... Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on August 03, 2008, 05:25:26 PM What if Al would've gone to Brian and said, "Hey, would it be OK if I handled another lead vocal or two. What do you think?" Who would've objected to that? Don't answer that... If Al said, "Hey, Brian, is it possible to go along to Europe with you, and maybe you could write off my fare and room there, how about that"? Who would've objected to that? Don't answer that... I still think Al should've played for free! What else does he have to do? Don't answer that... Oh, I agree Sheriff. I was way bummed when Al dropped out. I am just trying to make sense out of it. Just wish we'd get the real truth instead of the usual propaganda. Al still has that great voice. I was really hoping Al would sing on TLOS. I can only imagine how much better it would be with selected guest vocals featuring Al, Mike, Bruce and David. David would be great on ' California role'. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: XY on August 04, 2008, 12:49:38 AM I think Al was looking towards a Beach Boys reunion. He did the 40 years Pet Sounds gigs with Brian, but a European Greatest Hits tour without an upfront role, what's the point? "Brian does his own thing" or something to that extent was Al's explanation why he didn't make the trip.
I speculate that there just wasn't enough motivation. Brian's management didn't want a reunion, just a background role with a few lead vocals, and yes, perhaps not a satisfying wage for touring the hits without really wanting to. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Aegir on August 04, 2008, 01:33:07 AM The thing is, would Al really be asking Brian? Or would he be asking "his management"?
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Sheriff John Stone on August 04, 2008, 06:25:23 AM I think Al was looking towards a Beach Boys reunion. Yes, I think so, too. Maybe Al thought he could be the mediator, the healer, or the "link" between the two bands. He was kind of in the role in the late 70's when he produced MIU (he was in the middle), and when the band started to retreat to his barn to record. I still think the barn would be a good place to have a Beach Boys' reunion... Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Wirestone on August 04, 2008, 09:55:17 AM All I can say is that I saw a Brian-n-Al show, and it was excellent. It was clear that Brian feels a little competitive with Al up there, but it makes the show better. The band also stepped up -- they played California, for goodness' sake, with Brian's lead-in vocal. It was cool!
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: phirnis on August 04, 2008, 12:09:24 PM I would have loved to see some of the shows with Al. Sadly, just weeks before they were going to come to Germany, Al quit the touring and so it was just Brian at Mainz. Still quite an enjoyable performance, of course, yet probably nowhere near the magic they could have pulled off together. California was gone from the set immediately, of course. Too bad, as it's always such a treat to see Brian performing some of the real hidden treasures. That song is probably even among my very favorite Beach Boys tunes, though some might (rightly) call it a re-write.
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: KokoMoses on August 04, 2008, 10:41:56 PM Is Al really a multimillionaire?
Brian and Mike are the only ones with their names on any huge hits. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Aegir on August 04, 2008, 11:23:25 PM Al gets money for every Beach Boys song sold, though, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: KokoMoses on August 04, 2008, 11:50:04 PM Depends on how things break down on the royalty statements, I think.
He might get nothing, actually. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on August 05, 2008, 10:39:25 AM Is Al really a multimillionaire? Brian and Mike are the only ones with their names on any huge hits. I believe that Cotton Fields and Lady Lynda were big hits in England Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 05, 2008, 10:55:46 AM Is Al really a multimillionaire? Brian and Mike are the only ones with their names on any huge hits. I believe that Cotton Fields and Lady Lynda were big hits in England This is a fearsomely complex arena, but essentially, Alan gets a royalty for any BB record he performed on, either as a musician or vocalist. If he produced and/or composed the track, he gets more. That said, I think he gets more income from his arabians. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Shady on August 05, 2008, 12:20:42 PM That 'Very Best Of The Beach Boys' sells Massively in Europe,
Lady Lynda and Cotton Fields are on that, that alone gives him a very nice payday Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: tpesky on August 05, 2008, 04:01:24 PM I can see why he would make more with horses, because most credits he shares at least 1 way. With Lynda he shares authoriship with Bach (not sure who gets paid for that) and Ron Altbach. Cottonfields was a Hudie Ludbetter song with Al producing. Come Go With Me (Al production only), Friends
(3 Wilsons and a Jardine composing I believe) are the others that show up on frequent comps and again Al never gets a full share. All That is That (shared with Carl and Mike), Peggy Sue (Al producing only) , Don't Go Near Water (shared with Mike) are others off top of my head on comps I can think of where Al has to split a probably small profit with other people. The only song that is on rarer comps is California and while thats Al solo writing, I believe he shares production with Carl. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: John on August 05, 2008, 05:14:57 PM Susie Cincinnatti is a solo Al song that's appeared on at least one compilation too.
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Pretty Funky on August 05, 2008, 05:42:39 PM Touring from the early 60s until 97 with only one divorce should have set him up ok. Of all the BBs except Bruce, I think Al would be the most careful about what he did with his money.
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Aegir on August 05, 2008, 09:59:02 PM Officially-released songs written or co-written by Al (probably not all of them):
All This is That At My Window Be Here in the Morning California Calling California Energy Blues California Saga: The Beaks of Eagles California Saga: California Crack at Your Love Don't Go Near the Water Friends Good Time He Came Down How She Boogalooed It Island Girl It's About Time Italia Kona Coast Lady Liberty Lady Lynda Lookin' at Tomorrow Loop De Loop Our Sweet Love Pitter Patter PT Cruiser Santa Ana Winds South Bay Surfer Susie Cincinnati Take a Load Off Your Feet Transcendental Meditation Wake the World When a Man Needs a Woman Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: KokoMoses on August 06, 2008, 12:58:53 AM Yup, this is a maddeningly complex and usually unfair area. it all depends on how things were broken down within the group.
With some bands, including one famous band (who will remain nameless) the writer of the song will take 98% and let the rest of the band split the remaining 2%.... Not much for 3 or 4 people to split. Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: XY on August 06, 2008, 04:42:21 AM Not that it's my beer or I would have the slightest clue, but I would guess all the first generation BRI members can lead a good life just from bank interest income.
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: shelter on August 06, 2008, 05:11:25 AM With Lynda he shares authoriship with Bach (not sure who gets paid for that) If I'm not mistaken: nobody. I believe that copyrights only last until 80 years after the day you die. And don't think Bach was even ever officially credited for 'co-writing' Lady Lynda (even though he of course very obviously did). Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: KokoMoses on August 06, 2008, 05:22:32 AM I think "Fun Fun Fun" alone is enough to have set these guys up for several lifetimes.
I wonder how rich Brian and Mike are. I'd assume they get the most money. Anyone know what the BBs calalog is worth in a ballpark estimate? Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 06, 2008, 10:20:45 AM The last figure I recall, and it was a good few years ago, was in the region of $250 mill.
Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Bean Bag on August 06, 2008, 10:28:32 AM Officially-released songs written or co-written by Al (probably not all of them): All This is That ... Crack at Your Love ... "All This is That" has to be one of the best "normal" BB songs (outside of Brian's troubled genius stuff) in the 70s for me. Not the case with "Crack at your love" however. :) Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Pretty Funky on August 06, 2008, 06:03:49 PM The last figure I recall, and it was a good few years ago, was in the region of $250 mill. So Murry was pretty close with $700 thou then? ;D Title: Re: Al Jardine Post by: Surfer Joe on August 08, 2008, 03:13:45 PM The last figure I recall, and it was a good few years ago, was in the region of $250 mill. So Murry was pretty close with $700 thou then? ;D :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol |