Title: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Empire Of Love on May 18, 2008, 08:00:04 PM www.brianwilson.com
It will be on Capitol, I am reading the release now. Front page of the official site. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Aegir on May 18, 2008, 08:07:15 PM I won't believe it 'til it's in stores. TLOS is the 21st century's Smile.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Jay on May 18, 2008, 08:19:50 PM This could quite possibly be Brian's best year since 1966. ;D
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Pretty Funky on May 18, 2008, 09:16:21 PM ;D ;D ;D
From BW.com... BRIAN WILSON RETURNS TO CAPITOL RECORDS / EMI, HIS ORIGINAL LABEL HOME NEW STUDIO ALBUM, ‘THAT LUCKY OLD SUN,’ TO BE RELEASED SEPTEMBER 2 ON CD, DELUXE CD/DVD, LIMITED EDITION VINYL & DIGITALLY “You don’t have to climb the Capitol tower, or play the Hollywood Bowl, if there’s a roll in your heart, and a rock in your soul…” (lyrics from That Lucky Old Sun’s “California Role”) Hollywood, California – May 19, 2008 - He is one of popular music’s most deeply revered figures, a legendary writer, producer, arranger and performer of some of the most cherished music in rock history. Indeed, it is no exaggeration to call Brian Wilson one of the most gifted and influential pop composers of the last 50 years. Today, Wilson announces his return to Capitol Records / EMI, his original label home. Wilson’s new studio recording, That Lucky Old Sun, will be released by Capitol/EMI on CD, CD/DVD, limited edition vinyl and digitally on September 2 (September 1 internationally). Brian Wilson’s return to Capitol Records / EMI, where The Beach Boys caught their first hit wave with the 1962 classic, “Surfin’ Safari/409,” is a triumphant homecoming for one of the world’s most gifted and beloved musical talents. “I’m thrilled to be back home with Capitol, and I’m looking forward to sharing That Lucky Old Sun with everyone,” says Brian Wilson. “This music is really special to me.” "We are delighted to be working with Brian Wilson for his new album, That Lucky Old Sun,” says Guy Hands, Executive Chairman of EMI Music. “We all remember the feeling we got when we first heard The Beach Boys’ music. My particular favorite classic is 'Surfer Girl.' It always reminds me of driving an open top car down the Pacific Coast Highway from Santa Barbara to Malibu. Brian Wilson is an iconic talent with enormous musical influence all over the world and we are very proud to be representing him.” A musical love letter from Southern California, That Lucky Old Sun shimmers with sun-dappled choruses and arrangements that swell and swirl as if carried by the Pacific tides. One of the songs, “Midnight’s Another Day,” has been described by MOJO magazine as “glorious.” The album is narrated in transitional interludes spoken by Wilson as ‘That Lucky Old Sun,’ the storyteller. The narratives, cameos on life and the heartbeat of Los Angeles, propel the album’s musical story. Last summer, Wilson found himself singing the 1949 classic song, “That Lucky Old Sun,” which became the inspiration for a unique approach to what would become his next studio release. He bought Louis Armstrong’s version of the track and was inspired to collaborate lyrically with his band mate Scott Bennett, and with Van Dyke Parks, his old ‘sidekick,’ to create vibrant spoken narratives. Wilson debuted That Lucky Old Sun at London’s Royal Festival Hall in September 2007 in a series of six sold-out and critically-acclaimed concert performances celebrating the theatre’s restoration. Wilson describes That Lucky Old Sun as an “interwoven series of ‘rounds’ with interspersed spoken word,” and as an autobiographical travelogue of sorts. The new studio album is produced by Wilson and was created with his acclaimed band at Capitol Studios in Hollywood, where he first recorded in 1962. The new release is the dawning of a new California morning for Brian Wilson, continuing the awe-inspiring concept album journey that he first began four decades ago. Wilson’s songwriting, arranging and producing talents came together in harmonious glory for The Beach Boys’ 1966 classic, Pet Sounds, and have continued to evolve during his solo career, highlighted by his 2004 critically acclaimed Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE. Lyrically and in Wilson’s incomparably lush, evocative arrangements, That Lucky Old Sun adds a new chapter to Wilson’s conceptual presentations, reaching ever higher with his vibrant and moving autobiographical storytelling and intricate harmonies. Following numerous nominations, Wilson won a well-deserved Grammy Award for Best Rock Instrumental Performance (2004) for “Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow” and he was inducted into the UK Music Hall of Fame in 2006. Last December, he was feted as a leading cultural icon by The Kennedy Center Honors alongside Diana Ross, Martin Scorsese, Steve Martin and Leon Fleisher. Brian Wilson and his band will perform a number of his classic hits and compositions at select North American and UK concerts this summer. Brian Wilson: That Lucky Old Sun 1. That Lucky Old Sun 2. Morning Beat 3. That Lucky Old Sun (narrative) 4. Good Kind Of Love 5. Forever My Surfer Girl 6. That Lucky Old Sun (narrative) 7. Live Let Live 8. Mexican Girl 9. That Lucky Old Sun (narrative) 10. California Role 11. That Lucky Old Sun (narrative) 12. Oxygen 13. Can’t Wait Too Long (vocal excerpt) 14. Midnight’s Another Day 15. Going Home 16. Southern California Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: matt-zeus on May 18, 2008, 11:23:24 PM Blimey! With Guy Hands directly involved he'd better make a few sales or he'll be out on his ear!
I notice, no new songs in the album lineup...Well, that gives us a good few months for them to give Lucky Old sun that polish that is required? Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 18, 2008, 11:48:51 PM Good f*cking deal, dude. Happy to hear this is coming out.If this turns out to be Brian's last album, I can't think of a better way than to go out on the same label where he started.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 19, 2008, 01:38:02 AM September is right around the corner! ;D
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: MBE on May 19, 2008, 01:57:53 AM Glad it will be on vinyl. You know this is the first album of entirely new Brian Wilson songs for 31 years. If you discount Good Time and Ding Dang.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Aegir on May 19, 2008, 02:57:07 AM *cough* Can't Wait Too Long...
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Rocker on May 19, 2008, 03:16:10 AM Hope they'll get the promotion-machine rolling. Except for Smile it was always very poorly done the last few years....
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: GoofyJeff on May 19, 2008, 04:25:47 AM Woo-hoo!!!
Sign me up for one of each... CD, Deluxe CD/DVD and maybe even vinyl. I can't wait too long... now I just hope that it is produced properly the way it deserves to be. The last thing the world needs is TLOS given the adult-contemporary treatment. Great way to start off a Monday morning beat. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Shady on May 19, 2008, 05:25:58 AM I like the title for the news on smiley smile news, 'those lucky old fans' haha.
Anyway this is great news, Thank you Brian, and Melinda I guess ;D Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Wrightfan on May 19, 2008, 06:16:11 AM A great way to start the morning for sure.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: BiNNS on May 19, 2008, 06:29:22 AM I can't believe we're getting both Pacific Ocean Blue AND That Lucky Old Sun this year! The past 5 years have been such an exciting time to be a Brian Wilson fan.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Shady on May 19, 2008, 07:06:28 AM I can't believe we're getting both Pacific Ocean Blue AND That Lucky Old Sun this year! The past 5 years have been such an exciting time to be a Brian Wilson fan. Yeah, there has been this beautiful revival of his and BB music Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Roger Ryan on May 19, 2008, 07:29:41 AM Glad it will be on vinyl. You know this is the first album of entirely new Brian Wilson songs for 31 years. If you discount Good Time and Ding Dang. I would think BRIAN WILSON '88 qualifies. Personally, I don't care when these songs originated; they sound inspired and, with the appropriate production and arrangement, will be a suitable follow-up to BWPS. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 19, 2008, 09:41:27 AM Hate to burst your bubble, but one of the songs dates from1985. Naturally, I forgot the title just now, but I'll edit it in. I think it was called "Wondering What Wou're Up To Now"
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: GoofyJeff on May 19, 2008, 09:55:42 AM Hate to burst your bubble, but one of the songs dates from1985. Naturally, I forgot the title just now, but I'll edit it in. I think it was called "Wondering What Wou're Up To Now" I believe that was "Good Kind of Love"?? Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 19, 2008, 10:06:34 AM Hate to burst your bubble, but one of the songs dates from1985. Naturally, I forgot the title just now, but I'll edit it in. I think it was called "Wondering What Wou're Up To Now" I believe that was "Good Kind of Love"?? "California Role". "Good Kind Of Love" was written summer 2006. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 19, 2008, 10:13:49 AM Glad it will be on vinyl. You know this is the first album of entirely new Brian Wilson songs for 31 years. If you discount Good Time and Ding Dang. Parts of TLOS date back to 1967/68 ("BWTL"), 1975/6 (the "mow-mama-yama-glory-halleluja" riff from "Clangin'"), 1985 ("California Role/Wondering What You're Up To Now"), "Southern California" is a solo Scotty composition and of course a substantial proportion was back-engineered from the summer 2006 Wilson/Bennet sessions. How much was written specifically for the South Bank Center commission ? Surprisingly little. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: lance on May 19, 2008, 10:41:20 AM Solo scotty composition notwithstanding, to me it doesn't really matter when the songs were demoed, as long as music that's pretty much new to me comes out and is well-produced, I'll still be satisfied.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Bicyclerider on May 19, 2008, 11:37:04 AM I was kind of hoping he'd drop Oxygen to the brain and replace it with another song. It's pretty lame. But I like the narratives and the other songs (Mexican Girl is just OK - lots of cliched Spanish music references without much originality).
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: phirnis on May 19, 2008, 12:17:17 PM Really looking forward to the record. I don't care if some of it was written years ago as That Lucky Old Sun as a whole seems like such a coherent and spirited piece of work to me. Dick Reising and the guys at Capitol seem to feel that way too.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: pixletwin on May 19, 2008, 12:21:49 PM I will take the CD/DVD deluxe version please! ;D
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: the captain on May 19, 2008, 01:41:29 PM Glad it will be on vinyl. You know this is the first album of entirely new Brian Wilson songs for 31 years. If you discount Good Time and Ding Dang. Parts of TLOS date back to 1967/68 ("BWTL"), 1975/6 (the "mow-mama-yama-glory-halleluja" riff from "Clangin'"), 1985 ("California Role/Wondering What You're Up To Now"), "Southern California" is a solo Scotty composition and of course a substantial proportion was back-engineered from the summer 2006 Wilson/Bennet sessions. How much was written specifically for the South Bank Center commission ? Surprisingly little. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Amy B. on May 19, 2008, 03:04:23 PM If Brian had been actively writing music in the 50s, he probably would have released old 50s compositions during his mid-60s heyday. He doesn't care. He just puts it out there, whenever. And I don't care. It's new to me, and I like it.
Is Midnight's Another Day new? That, I'd be curious to know. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: BJL on May 19, 2008, 06:00:16 PM Really looking forward to the record. I don't care if some of it was written years ago as That Lucky Old Sun as a whole seems like such a coherent and spirited piece of work to me. Dick Reising and the guys at Capitol seem to feel that way too. Is this the Dick Reising of Bull Sessions fame? I always thought that was a joke... or are you joking yourself? Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Wirestone on May 19, 2008, 06:09:45 PM Virtually all the BW songs in TLOS are new, as in written since the release of Smile in 04. As I understand it.
Breaks down like such: That Lucky Old Sun (cover version, newly arranged by BW 06-07) Morning Beat (new, although certainly based on the Shortnin' Bread riff. Includes the Hallalujah riff from the 70s). Good Kind of Love (summer 06, I believe AGD mentioned this was worked on with Carole King) Forever My Surfer Girl (new) Live Let Live (new; has so far featured two distinct sets of lyrics -- I also recall hearing that this has been recorded as a duet with Carole King) Mexican Girl (new) California Role (written in the mid-80s as "Wondering What You're Up to Now." Obviously rewritten with new lyrics) Been Way Too Long (mid 60s, of course) Oxygen (This was written soon after Smile was released -- I read an interview with Brian from 04 or 05 in which he mentioned this song). Midnight's Another Day (from the summer 06 sessions -- apparently Scott helped rework this from a rock song that Brian was working on) Going Home (new, not to be confused with the Paley sessions tune of the same title. Shortnin' Bread again.) Southern California (apparently a Scott tune, although clearly written with BW in mind). Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Aegir on May 19, 2008, 06:22:57 PM MAD was originally a rock song? I'm trying to imagine it twice as fast and with electric guitars... I think it's better the way it is.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: RickD on May 19, 2008, 08:40:55 PM apparently Scott helped rework this from a rock song that Brian was working on) to say the least!! 8) Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: smile-holland on May 20, 2008, 02:08:26 AM Virtually all the BW songs in TLOS are new, as in written since the release of Smile in 04. As I understand it. Breaks down like such: Morning Beat (new, although certainly based on the Shortnin' Bread riff. Includes the Hallalujah riff from the 70s). Going Home (new, not to be confused with the Paley sessions tune of the same title. Shortnin' Bread again.) Morning Beat strongly reminds me of an outtake/demo from the early 70-ies (Sunflower outtake) called "Walkin' ", the similarities are obiously there. A mid-80ies version of (I'm) Goin' Home is floating around as well, but was changed significantly for TLOS. O, and isn't "Oxygen..." a typical 80 healthy-themed song a la "Too Much Sugar" and "He Couldn't Get His Poor Old Body To Move"? But even if some songs originate from a while back, I still consider them new as they finally got a worthy treatment and - to me - finally sound "finished". Or to say it differently: "God Only Knows" took half an hour to write, "Morning Beat" took 37 years.... I don't mind that at all. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: carl r on May 20, 2008, 02:53:02 AM It's great news, I look forward to hearing it (and watching any DVD release).
There's one small qualification. I do like the idea behind something like "Rio Grande" rather than every aspect of the execution. If Brian is still writing in "feels" then I'd like a more abstract-sounding track every now and then, something which sounds like psychedelic rock and combines a few of these feels in an atmospheric way. May not always work, but parts of Rio Grande are great, for example. Maybe this aspect is missing at the moment? Still, looking forward to hearing this. Maybe he'll let some "heads" remix it at some point. Panda Bear ? Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: MBE on May 20, 2008, 03:08:44 AM The 88 is from different eras but only Little Children really feels out of place so 88 is close. I overlooked some details, but again this feels more like a whole then bits and pieces. It's a complete concept.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: buddhahat on May 20, 2008, 03:39:49 AM Glad it will be on vinyl. You know this is the first album of entirely new Brian Wilson songs for 31 years. If you discount Good Time and Ding Dang. Parts of TLOS date back to 1967/68 ("BWTL"), 1975/6 (the "mow-mama-yama-glory-halleluja" riff from "Clangin'"), 1985 ("California Role/Wondering What You're Up To Now"), "Southern California" is a solo Scotty composition and of course a substantial proportion was back-engineered from the summer 2006 Wilson/Bennet sessions. How much was written specifically for the South Bank Center commission ? Surprisingly little. I might be wrong but your statement sort of implies that TLOS is weaker because not much of it was written specifically for the South Bank Centre, even though a lot of it was written in the preceding year. Does it matter? Are you suggesting this is another GIOMH? Presumably what's important is that BW is releasing new material that he's written a significant amount of. As I see it (TLOS cover aside) California Role is not new, obviously neither is BWTL, Southern California is not a BW composition, and there are a few recycled riffs here and there. I don't see any problem with BW plagiarising a few of his own riffs. I work as an illustrator and am constantly recycling motifs that I've used many times before - it's part of the art and I'm sure the same applies to musical composition. Even songs such as California Role have presumably been re-tweaked for this project, and as such are still valid. The only real disappointment for me is to learn that Southern California isn't a BW song, but why should BW be the sole author of every song on an album that's clearly presented as a collaboration? I'm sure if you scrutinized the writing process of many pop composers, certainly older ones like BW, you'd find they'd plagiarised their own back-catalogues a bit. For some reason though, and I imagine it's to do with the huge gulf between the capabilities of young vs old Brian, if BW recycles any earlier BW tunes it seems to undermine the authenticity of the new work, even if the recycling is very subtle. I just think this is finding fault for the sake of it and that a large part of BW's fan-base expect too much from him. If Brian knocked out God Only Knows today, there would be suspicion on these boards because, when questioned, one of the session players admitted that he'd actually contributed that staccato bit in the middle!! Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Amy B. on May 20, 2008, 04:46:28 AM Buddha, I agree with everything you posted. Another example is that Mike Love apparently wrote the music to "Let the Wind Blow," (correct me if I'm remembering wrong), Gary Usher wrote the music to "Lonely Sea" (again, that's if I recall correctly), or any of the times Tony Asher apparently suggested that a melody on Pet Sounds "go up instead of down."
Brian has always been open to collaboration/suggestions. Although he may not be 1966 Brian Wilson, to suggest that just because he recycled or received help in 2006/2007 means that it's not really his or is somehow a disappointment is ridiculous. I hope no one is really suggesting that. He is still a very gifted individual, and he does still have a few brain cells left for composing and arranging. Besides, the people Brian works with haven't exactly written their own "Smile"s in their solo careers (as good as they are), so I think we're getting the benefit of Brian's talent here too. What Brian and his collaborators have done here is much more than most 65-year-old pop musicians have pulled off. I'm not sure McCartney or any of the others are subjected to this type of scrutiny every time they release something new. And who knows how much help those guys get reworking their completed compositions in the studio? (Forgive my terrible writing this early in the morning before my coffee.) Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Ron on May 20, 2008, 05:59:59 AM Boy I'd hate to be a song writer these days. I'd be told I can't do anything with any song I ever wrote unless it was less than a year old. I'd be told I have to come up with every note every syllable myself, and if I don't know how a french horn works then dammit don't use a french horn. I'd be told i'm unallowed to change lyrics after I've written them the first time. I'd be told my albums weren't as good as the demos some idiot copied and stole from me at a record label the album didn't even come out on. Or maybe all that just applies to Brian
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Swamp Pirate on May 20, 2008, 06:43:31 AM I personally could care less when the origination of a song is. The song belong to the artist, not the bootleggers, and he/she can change it however he/she wants until he/she thinks it's ready to be presented.
The fact that it took 37 years to get a proper Smile release does not diminish anything from the finished product- it was well worth the wait. TLOS simply completes the circle. Pet Sounds- Brian's masterpiece. Smile- Brian's artistic statement. That Lucky Old Sun- Brian's personal statement and a fitting coda to his career. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: smile-holland on May 20, 2008, 06:53:14 AM Glad it will be on vinyl. You know this is the first album of entirely new Brian Wilson songs for 31 years. If you discount Good Time and Ding Dang. Parts of TLOS date back to 1967/68 ("BWTL"), 1975/6 (the "mow-mama-yama-glory-halleluja" riff from "Clangin'"), 1985 ("California Role/Wondering What You're Up To Now"), "Southern California" is a solo Scotty composition and of course a substantial proportion was back-engineered from the summer 2006 Wilson/Bennet sessions. How much was written specifically for the South Bank Center commission ? Surprisingly little. I might be wrong but your statement sort of implies that TLOS is weaker because not much of it was written specifically for the South Bank Centre, even though a lot of it was written in the preceding year. Does it matter? Are you suggesting this is another GIOMH? Reading previous posts by AGD regarding this subject I pretty much got the idea that he was very positive on TLOS. Like MBE just mentioned: it's not about the many bits and pieces and the date that is attached to it, but the project/music as a whole. That is new and - on top of that - very enjoyable to listen to with many pleasant (historical) surprises. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: GoofyJeff on May 20, 2008, 07:27:18 AM TLOS simply completes the circle. Pet Sounds- Brian's masterpiece. Smile- Brian's artistic statement. That Lucky Old Sun- Brian's personal statement and a fitting coda to his career. Couldn't agree more. TLOS is a classic example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. TLOS does indeed complete Brian's trilogy as outlined above, and will help cement his musical legacy, not only as a driving force behind 60s music with his former band (that has been established already), but also as a solo artist. Also, like Pet Sounds, it is DEEPLY autobiographical, not only in terms of the lyrics, but also musically as it progresses thru the song cycle. Morning Beat - A fun rocker in the spirit of the earliest BB songs Forever My Surfer Girl - A nice nod to Judy Bowles and remembering where it all began Oxygen - very much in the spirit of his mid 80s health songs (Just Say No, Too Much Sugar, Couldn't Get His Poor Old Body to Move, etc) Midnight's Another Day - probably the single most autobiographical song on the album Goin Home - I don't care who you are but the line "At 25 I turned out the lights" is heartbreaking Southern California - A beautiful coda to the album, and if this is the last we hear of Brian, a fitting end to a phenomenal career All in all, I cannot wait for the CD/DVD. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Rocker on May 20, 2008, 09:07:00 AM Buddha, I agree with everything you posted. Another example is that Mike Love apparently wrote the music to "Let the Wind Blow," (correct me if I'm remembering wrong), I don't know, but Mike introduced this song in the early 70s as " a prayer that Brian put music to". Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Dr. Tim on May 20, 2008, 09:37:56 AM It's unusual for one to stop by here while still digesting his plate of crow - let alone admit he's happy to be eating it.
AGD had predicted this as a sensible scenario, and while I agreed with him, my opinion was that Captiol would never do it because the dinosaurs in charge would blow that chance like all the major label execs have done with everything else. Apparently Mr. Hinds -- who knows he has to shake things up to keep the EMI brand relevant -- is willing to take a chance here, and give it an appropriate big-budget send-off. This is not just a "safe bet" to put out a legacy artist's new LP, of whatever quality. In that case he'd have re-signed Paul McCartney -- and he hasn't. BWPS is still a highly respected piece of work among the music cognoscenti, even if some folk here have problems with it. Brian is one of those handful of "old guys" who still have it, who can reach into the ether and pull back new stuff that's beyond "hip". Other members of that gang would be Neil Young and Bob Dylan. Maybe Scott Walker, who is on Mars, and Trent Reznor too, keeping in mind he too is in a different world and the jury is still out (though Ghosts I-IV is far better than one might expect from someone who has nothing to prove). There aren' t too many, and some other "legacy" guys still doing new stuff like Macca, Joni Mitchell, Paul Simon, and John Fogerty are slugging it out to join them but it's hard to say if they will get there. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Wirestone on May 20, 2008, 09:52:56 AM I stand by my outline in general.
"Mornin' Beat" does have some structural similarities to "Walkin'," but it's all more general than specific. It's not a rewrite -- more a reuse of a basic chord sequence. Oxygen does indeed hark back to the fitness songs. But that has nothing to do with whether it's new or not. And Brian was writing fitness songs in the 60s and 70s too -- see HELP is on the Way and Life if for the Living. I'm not familiar with a mid-80s demo of Goin' Home. I'm quite familiar with the mid-90s Paley tune, which is entirely different. I'd have to hear it to know. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: brianc on May 20, 2008, 10:05:55 AM You know this is the first album of entirely new Brian Wilson songs for 31 years. If you discount Good Time and Ding Dang.
Not only was the 1988 BW solo album made up of entirely new BW songs, but so was the unreleased 1994/96 Wilson/Paley sessions. When you are adding up projects of Brian's total immersion and production genius, I think it's important to mention the Paley/Wilson album right along with "Today," "Pet Sounds," "Smile," "Friends," "Love You" and the 1988 album. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: phirnis on May 20, 2008, 11:35:48 AM I don't like the idea of That Lucky Old Sun being called a "cover version". It rather is an interpretation, put in an entirely new context. Louie Louie, now that's a cover version.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Wirestone on May 20, 2008, 12:59:30 PM After somehow mysteriously hearing TLOS today (I think it was blown in on the winds), I have to say how impressed I still am by it. The whole really transcends the sum of the parts -- and MAD is spine-chilling.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Ron on May 20, 2008, 04:38:29 PM The way I took "Oxygen", was that it was a new song, meant to represent Brian in the 70's and 80's. The whole album has themes of morning/day/night, childhood/youth/beachboys/landy years/current Brian, etc. If you look at the album as representing the sun jorneying through the day, each song a little later on in the day, Oxygen comes in the afternoon, and starts with an alarm clock going off... (Brian sleeping all day, being lazy) and then the lyrics of course are about how he spent the 70's and 80's "Open up, open up, open your eyes, it's time it's time it's time to rise/o.k., lets take it slow... you ain't got no place to go" etc.
So the way I see it, and again everything is anybody's interpretation, the album is the sun looking down on California, and he sees things in different times and different years and different aspects of the city. Morning Beat is of course the morning, and it's a general song trying to show what California is all about, Good Kind of Love starts as two lovers wake up is about youthful 20 something love (perhaps Brian and Marilyn), Forever She'll be my Surfer Girl is about Surfer Girl, Marilyn or whoever, etc. and also about the early 'morning' of Brian's career. The song literally mentions several times about Brian writing his first masterpiece, etc. Live let Live is a progressive environmentally themed song that could represent the nature aspect of California but also the late 20's 'awakening' of Brian's more liberal side (smoking drugs, hanging out with poets, recording SMiLE, etc.), Mexican girl represents the hispanic population of California of course, California Role represents Hollywood, Oxygen represents Brian's insanity in the 70's and 80's, Can't Wait too long is used to set up "midnight" and also to represent wasted time (can't wait too long, been way too long), Midnight represents the evening and the sorrow that comes with the dark, and has tastes of optimism in it. It also represents the revival period Brian's been through recently, crawling out of his hole. "Goin' Home" represents Brian's current happy go lucky don't care about record sales as much anymore attitude, where he's asserting he's just trying to have fun with life, it's obvious in the lyrics. It also represents of course Brian's eventual death... "Southern California" lyrically, musically, and positionally on the album represents the summation of Brian's career, what he's thankful for, he mentions his brothers at the beginning, etc. This is his Coda to represent his life and his album. He did something very similar (in my eyes, at least) with the 04' sequence of SMiLE. GREAT album, but like with SMiLE, the casual listener isn't going to catch the references Brian makes to his own legend. The only people that will truly be moved by the album are those that are already big fans. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: MBE on May 20, 2008, 09:40:56 PM You know this is the first album of entirely new Brian Wilson songs for 31 years. If you discount Good Time and Ding Dang. Not only was the 1988 BW solo album made up of entirely new BW songs, but so was the unreleased 1994/96 Wilson/Paley sessions. When you are adding up projects of Brian's total immersion and production genius, I think it's important to mention the Paley/Wilson album right along with "Today," "Pet Sounds," "Smile," "Friends," "Love You" and the 1988 album. Well the Brian Wilson album had a number of new things but it came from various times between 1983-88. I would say that counts as being all new, but Little Children is really why I say it's not all new. That was from 1976 and re-recorded. The original demo had already been bootleged by 1988. The Paley stuff was a surge of good writing, though I know I'm Broke for one went back to 1983. The main reason I didn't mention it is because it never came out. Which to me is sad because I feel it's overall better then anything Brian has done since the seventies save for Smile. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: mikeyj on May 21, 2008, 03:09:30 AM Buddha, I agree with everything you posted. Another example is that Mike Love apparently wrote the music to "Let the Wind Blow," (correct me if I'm remembering wrong), I don't know, but Mike introduced this song in the early 70s as " a prayer that Brian put music to". Well I don't know if this means anything but Let The Wind Blow is one of the only Brian & Mike songs that credits it as "Love/Wilson". Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: mikeyj on May 21, 2008, 03:31:41 AM Buddha, I agree with everything you posted. Another example is that Mike Love apparently wrote the music to "Let the Wind Blow," (correct me if I'm remembering wrong), Gary Usher wrote the music to "Lonely Sea" (again, that's if I recall correctly), or any of the times Tony Asher apparently suggested that a melody on Pet Sounds "go up instead of down." I agree Amy. It's stupid to suggest that if it credits Brian then he did EVERYTHING and ignored any ideas given to him. And as you say, just because it doesn't have the credit "B. Wilson" attached to it, doesn't mean that it's somehow not good. I think you are right in regards to LTWB.. at least that's what I've heard. Never heard that about Lonely Sea.. that's interesting. Where did you read that? Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Roger Ryan on May 21, 2008, 06:36:20 AM My understanding is that Usher brought in the chord structure to "Lonely Sea" and Brian and him fashioned the melody and lyrics to it. But then, who knows; it's very difficult to determine what collaborators bring to a song if both write both music and lyrics.
I could even suggest that Brian had a hand in writing the new "Southern California" if one counts the bit of "Passing By" that made it into the melody. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Amy B. on May 21, 2008, 07:11:22 AM I think you are right in regards to LTWB.. at least that's what I've heard. Never heard that about Lonely Sea.. that's interesting. Where did you read that? You know, I can't remember. Was it AGD's book? I might have been thinking of a different song, though. Anyway, the point still stands-- Brian didn't write every note in his catalog, even during his heyday. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Alex on May 21, 2008, 12:45:27 PM I'm totally stoked for this! 2008 is going to be an awesome year for BB releases. That Lucky Old Sun, Pacific Ocean Blue, AND Postcard from California! Are Dave Marks or Mike and Bruce going to release anything this year?
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: GoofyJeff on May 21, 2008, 01:09:01 PM I'm totally stoked for this! 2008 is going to be an awesome year for BB releases. That Lucky Old Sun, Pacific Ocean Blue, AND Postcard from California! Are Dave Marks or Mike and Bruce going to release anything this year? Don't forget the singles box set (insanely expensive as it is...) Was the 3-disc David Marks set released this year or was that late last year? I haven't picked up any of his stuff yet, but fully intend to shortly. As for Mike and Bruce, they aren't allowed to record anything using the BB name, so don't hold your breath. Mike does have his "Unleash the Love/Mike Love Not War" album that he could put out if he wanted to.... Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: GoofyJeff on May 21, 2008, 02:18:37 PM there's a new splash page over at BW.com promoting TLOS complete with video footage of the press conference and the band performing songs... FYI 8)
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Chris Brown on May 21, 2008, 03:43:34 PM My understanding is that Usher brought in the chord structure to "Lonely Sea" and Brian and him fashioned the melody and lyrics to it. But then, who knows; it's very difficult to determine what collaborators bring to a song if both write both music and lyrics. I wouldn't be surprised if that one was true...the chord sequence is very basic and simple really, so I can imagine Usher just playing those 4 chords and Brian coming up with a melody. As for "Let the Wind Blow", there is no way that Mike wrote all the music to that. Maybe I underestimate his musical skills a bit, but come on. Those chord changes and modulations are pure Brian Wilson. Maybe he helped with some of the music, but Brian had to have been involved as well. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: c-man on May 21, 2008, 07:55:06 PM Byron Preiss had this to say about the creation of "Let The Wind Blow":
"...one of Mike's most beautiful compositions. Written while in his car, Mike took it to Brian, who changed the melody line, gave it a different beat, and went into the studio to record". Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: carl r on May 22, 2008, 01:02:00 AM Glad it will be on vinyl. You know this is the first album of entirely new Brian Wilson songs for 31 years. If you discount Good Time and Ding Dang. Parts of TLOS date back to 1967/68 ("BWTL"), 1975/6 (the "mow-mama-yama-glory-halleluja" riff from "Clangin'"), 1985 ("California Role/Wondering What You're Up To Now"), "Southern California" is a solo Scotty composition and of course a substantial proportion was back-engineered from the summer 2006 Wilson/Bennet sessions. How much was written specifically for the South Bank Center commission ? Surprisingly little. I might be wrong but your statement sort of implies that TLOS is weaker because not much of it was written specifically for the South Bank Centre, even though a lot of it was written in the preceding year. Does it matter? Are you suggesting this is another GIOMH? Reading previous posts by AGD regarding this subject I pretty much got the idea that he was very positive on TLOS. Like MBE just mentioned: it's not about the many bits and pieces and the date that is attached to it, but the project/music as a whole. That is new and - on top of that - very enjoyable to listen to with many pleasant (historical) surprises. ..I'd agree with this... just noticed today that the second-to-last part of "Fairy Tale" (I guess this is also known Mount Vernon and Fairway) sounds really like the verse melody in "Southern California" - interesting, as Brian apparently didn't write this song ! Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: c-man on May 22, 2008, 04:59:34 AM As far as Brian not writing "Southern California"...I'm wondering if he or Scotty have gone on record as saying that, or if that's an assumption made by hearing the demo, on which Scotty reportedly sings the lead. Reason I wonder this is because Scotty also reportedly sings lead on all of the "California Role" demo, even though we know Brian wrote the music to that. Just wondering.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: TimeToGetAlone on May 22, 2008, 05:34:04 AM Glad it will be on vinyl. You know this is the first album of entirely new Brian Wilson songs for 31 years. If you discount Good Time and Ding Dang. Parts of TLOS date back to 1967/68 ("BWTL"), 1975/6 (the "mow-mama-yama-glory-halleluja" riff from "Clangin'"), 1985 ("California Role/Wondering What You're Up To Now"), "Southern California" is a solo Scotty composition and of course a substantial proportion was back-engineered from the summer 2006 Wilson/Bennet sessions. How much was written specifically for the South Bank Center commission ? Surprisingly little. I might be wrong but your statement sort of implies that TLOS is weaker because not much of it was written specifically for the South Bank Centre, even though a lot of it was written in the preceding year. Does it matter? Are you suggesting this is another GIOMH? Reading previous posts by AGD regarding this subject I pretty much got the idea that he was very positive on TLOS. Like MBE just mentioned: it's not about the many bits and pieces and the date that is attached to it, but the project/music as a whole. That is new and - on top of that - very enjoyable to listen to with many pleasant (historical) surprises. ..I'd agree with this... just noticed today that the second-to-last part of "Fairy Tale" (I guess this is also known Mount Vernon and Fairway) sounds really like the verse melody in "Southern California" - interesting, as Brian apparently didn't write this song ! Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Wirestone on May 22, 2008, 09:20:22 AM For what it's worth, you can definitely hear BW doing backing vocals in California Role's demo, while he doesn't seem to be on the Southern California recording.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Amy B. on May 22, 2008, 11:12:33 AM Didn't Scott also sing the What Love Can Do demo? Did he have anything to do with the writing of that?
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Aegir on May 23, 2008, 11:35:45 AM Byron Preiss had this to say about the creation of "Let The Wind Blow": I never remember where I read these things, but from my understanding, Mike had written it as an upbeat R&B-styled track, which Brian then took and morphed it into what it was on the album. If Mike gets a composer's credit for arranging Mama Says, then Brian gets one for arranging Let the Wind Blow."...one of Mike's most beautiful compositions. Written while in his car, Mike took it to Brian, who changed the melody line, gave it a different beat, and went into the studio to record". And the chords are pretty standard, I think. It's a lot less musically complicated than, say, Big Sur or Sumahama. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: the captain on May 23, 2008, 12:29:55 PM Less complicated than Big Sur? I don't know about that. Not that it's complicated, but isn't Big Sur just walking down (and up) a C chord? Without listening at the moment, I'm guessing it's just C, G/B, Am, G/B, etc. Also, to Amy's point (sorry it's not a new paragraph here, but you'd be surprised at what merlot does to a laptop's keyboard functionality), I don't think Scott sang the WLCD demo. I dont' recall who did, but I thought I recalled it being some name I didn't know, that it was just some hired singer.
Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Wrightfan on May 23, 2008, 12:49:45 PM Less complicated than Big Sur? I don't know about that. Not that it's complicated, but isn't Big Sur just walking down (and up) a C chord? Without listening at the moment, I'm guessing it's just C, G/B, Am, G/B, etc. Also, to Amy's point (sorry it's not a new paragraph here, but you'd be surprised at what merlot does to a laptop's keyboard functionality), I don't think Scott sang the WLCD demo. I dont' recall who did, but I thought I recalled it being some name I didn't know, that it was just some hired singer. Actually, after fooling around my keyboard a bit, I think it's C, G/B, AM, C/G and then it's repeated. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Wirestone on May 23, 2008, 01:24:19 PM What Love Can Do is credited to Brian, Burt Bacharach, and Bacharach lyricist Steve Krikorkian.
And no, I didn't think it was Scott on the demo either. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Chris Brown on May 23, 2008, 02:07:30 PM Byron Preiss had this to say about the creation of "Let The Wind Blow": I never remember where I read these things, but from my understanding, Mike had written it as an upbeat R&B-styled track, which Brian then took and morphed it into what it was on the album. If Mike gets a composer's credit for arranging Mama Says, then Brian gets one for arranging Let the Wind Blow."...one of Mike's most beautiful compositions. Written while in his car, Mike took it to Brian, who changed the melody line, gave it a different beat, and went into the studio to record". And the chords are pretty standard, I think. It's a lot less musically complicated than, say, Big Sur or Sumahama. I don't know about that...most of it is pretty simple, but like I said, that key change in the bridge where it ends with Eb as the tonic then goes back to Ab isn't something your average songwriter would come up with, let alone Mike Love (who as far as I know hadn't written any music for the BB at that point). It just doesn't make sense, unless maybe Mike came up with the main verse music but Brian did the bridge...that I might be able to buy. Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: Aegir on May 23, 2008, 07:32:00 PM I don't have the best ear for these things, but to me, Let the Wind Blow, is G7, C, C7 and Dm, Am for most of the song then Dm, G and Em, Bm and Em7, D/A for the bridge.
Maybe we need to start a definitive chord progression thread... Title: Re: Announcement posted - TLOS by Sept. 2nd! Post by: mikeyj on May 23, 2008, 07:48:08 PM I don't know about that...most of it is pretty simple, but like I said, that key change in the bridge where it ends with Eb as the tonic then goes back to Ab isn't something your average songwriter would come up with, let alone Mike Love (who as far as I know hadn't written any music for the BB at that point). It just doesn't make sense, unless maybe Mike came up with the main verse music but Brian did the bridge...that I might be able to buy. I do remember hearing - perhaps even from AGD - on one of the boards that Mike wrote the verse and Brian wrote the bridge. But, who knows? |