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Hello all!  I hate to start a thread with my first post, but oh well here I am.  If this is in the wrong forum, i apologize and feel free to move it accordingly.

I was wondering if i could get some info on making a good Smile mix.  I have and love the 2004 Brian Wilson version, but i want to hear the rest of the songs and the songs with all the Beach Boys from 66 and 67.  I do have one Beach Boys Smile version, though i have no idea where i got it.  I was hoping some of you all could tell me what i am missing and where to get it.  I dont know much about Smile, but i suspect the sequencing on this sucks.

Anyway, here is what i do have. Please critque/provide info

Smile (its labeled "Millennium Edition")

1. Cabinessence - 4:39 (length) - with banjo intro and "Doing Doing Doing" at the beginning
2. Child is Father of Man - 3:36
3. Do You Like Worms? - 4:07 - with "Biciycle Rider" thing in the middle of the song
4. Good Vibrations - 3:33
5. Heroes & Villians (Barnyard Suite) - 11:00 - Bunch of crazy stuff going on in this song, including the Barnyard stuff and the "Im in great shape" part.  (Sorry for the vagueness i am not really knowledgeable about the Smile sessions).
6. The Old Master Painter - 2:12
7. Our Prayer - 1:08
8. Surf's Up - 6:02 - Brian singing (i think). The first 2 or so minutes are instrumental.
9. Vegetables - 3:26 - with "mama says" in the middle. I swear this sounds like Brian singing.  Did he ever do a take of "Vegetables"?
10. Vegetables (Reprise) - 2:45 - with "mama says" at the beginning
11. Wind Chimes - 2:25
12. With Me Tonight - 2:43
13. Wonderful - 4:32 - Random "Hey pretty baby..." part in the middle, then later ended by the singer (Carl i think?) almost whispering "won, won, wonderful.."

Ultimately i just want get everything from the Smile sessions in order to make my own Smile, but some info on what i have and what im missing would be great.  Thanks a lot!

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I'm NOT mentioning any specific boots, just listing names of recordings that exist.

These are all the songs and other SMiLE tidbits I know of that are available legally and illegally that were recorded during the SMiLE era.
Our Prayer
Gee
Heroes and Villains
I'm In Great Shape
Barnyard
Do You Like Worms
The Old Master Painter/You Were My Sunshine
Cabin Essence
Wonderful
Look
Child Is The Father Of The Man
Good Vibrations
Surf's Up
Vega-Tables
Wind Chimes
Holidays
Fire (Mrs O'Leary's Cow)
Water Chant
I Love To Say Da Da
I Wanna Be Around/Workshop
Tones
With Me Tonight
rock with me Henry version of wonderful
My Little Red Book
All Day
Indian Wisdom
George Fell Into His French Horn
Vegetable Arguments
Dirty Jokes
Psychedelic Sounds Reel
Smog
Bob Gordon's Real Trip
Taxi Driver Conversation
Basketball Game sounds
SMiLE promo ad
Cool Cool Water
Can't Wait Too Long
EDIT: whoops, forgot He Gives Speeches

Songs that have not seen the light of day...
I Don't Know
Crack the Whip
Jazz
...plus some other that I can't remember the names of.

Indian Wisdom is written on a tape box. It's also given to a track going around, a weirdo instrumental with organ, acoustic guitar, and what might be a bouzouki. George Fell Into His French Horn isn't a song, it's a Surf's Up session. Cool Cool Water is a Wild Honey-era track. Can't Wait Too Long is Wild Honey/Friends-era. I Don't Know is a Dennis solo session from 1/16/67. Crack The Whip is not a BBs recording but a Jasper Dailey (photographer) recording. Jazz is what was recorded before I Wanna Be Around/Friday Night was put down.

There's also one called Mona Kanai, which sounds like it might be a SMiLE song, but is actually a Dennis song from the Freinds era.

Recorded 11/15/68, so 20/20.

To add to Ascordin's "hasn't see the light of day" list, the air element of "The Elements."

I would once again recommend the Project Smile CD-ROM.  It's got most everything assembled in one neat little package, and you can assemble your own Smile mix.  I don't know if I should post the link to the Yahoo group where you can find it, but it should be easy enough to locate.

Wind Chimes? Holidays?   
....I remember once reading Country Air was the air element.

According to Lewis Shiner it was FreeFall and it sounded like a Brian Eno song, but that was nothing more than glorified fan fiction.

could you PM it perhaps?

I PM'd you the link this morning.

Brian's described it as a short spanish sounding piano piece.

We have some that have a short piano piece (Holidays and the middle eight to Wind Chimes) and something that sounds Spanish inspired (Indian Wisdom) but no piece having both.

thanks!

On the American band video.. When they talk about the "AIR " section of SMILE... There is a piano piece.. Without vocals.. It is IMPLIED it is a part of the "AIR" section of Smile..

Interesting! I've got to find that video now.

hmm interesting im curious to hear this now anyone has it yet lol so im guessing the earth element wasn't even started and smile was already dead they just barely made a wind section. I wonder how the elements would be a one song instrumental piece were all the sections fire,water, wind, earth all seque into each other?

Vega-Tables was the Earth element, according to Frank Holmes' drawings anyway. Air may have been Holidays and/or Wind Chimes, or could've been a song that wasn't written or recorded. Fire was Mrs. O'Leary's Cow. Water was I Love To Say Da Da. I have no idea if they would've segued into each other in '67, but they do segue on BWPS.

i doubt that winds chimes or vegatables are part of the elements suite since there is a small piano track thats supposed to be the air section and in recordings of wind chimes or vegatables they didn't say the elements part 3 like with fire and i love to say da-da recordings that were part 1 and 2 of the elements. I always imagined the elements as an instrumental suite with some chanting here and their like fire.

I agree to some point but I doubt water would've been part 2. It was most likely mean to be at one point (Brian's original plan was to have just water and fire) but I think water sounds better at the end of the elements (especially if Surf's Up was to be the last track.) As for earth, I've always thought that I Wanna Be Around/Workshop would work well for that.

We'll never know for sure but it's a hell of a lot of fun to guess  ;D

I've also read somewhere, probably on this board, that Country Air was supposed to be the Air part. Unless that was one of the lies from the "Bellagio Insider".

If I had to guess, I doubt it. I think "The Elements" would've been mostly instrumental (save for the water element.)

Wrightfan, I know your current SMiLE mix is a work in progress, but would you mind sharing what you're using right now - just the list, not the actual mp3s. I'm interested in your sequencing, or anyone else who is into SMiLE mixes....

Sure:

Side 1:
1. Heroes and Villians-Starts with Our Prayer (It was described as an intro to the album during the session.) Then Gee, then the alternate H+V from the GV box set arranged a bit differently:
1. Backing track will be put to the a capella section after the verses
2. The "woo woo woo's" have been put at the end of the catina section.
3. The section that goes "dum dum dum" has been replaced with the "decending ahh's."
4. False barnyard replcaced with the "Western theme" section. Ends with the flutter tone.

2. Old master Painter/You are my Sunshine.

3. Do You Like Worms?-The same as the GV box set except:
-The "hum be do da's" are placed over the second half of each verse (just like BWPS)
-Bicycle rider vocals is restored at the second Bicycle rider section only.
-Ends earlier.

4. Wonderful

5. Child is the Father of the Man.

6. Cabinessence. End of "Side 1."

Total running time: Little under 17 minutes

Side 2:
1. Good Vibrations

2. Wind Chimes. GV box set version with a few BWPS twists:
-Silence is eliminated before the chorus. Verse goes into the chorus asap.
-Piano section doesn't go on forever. Chorus repeated a second time.
-Bass and electric section is in here. I believe this is called the "submarine" section or something like that.
-Chorus repeated a third time, backwards. Ends with that guitar twang.

3. Vega-Tables. GV box set with a BWPS arrangement:
-Ba-ba-ba-ba-doitdo-doitdo" vocals are moved to the "burst into laughter" section.
-Brian's "I know you feel better..." part ends it, at least that's what were planning. Can anyone confirm that this was recorded in April 67?

4. The Elements. 4 parts representing:
Fire-"H+V intro" combined with the fire track. Complete with real crackling fire! (Even though Brian said he would'nt have left it in, I believe he would have if the sessions didn's scare the crap out of him  :-D)
Earth-I Wanna be Around/Workshop. I like the way the hammering of wood represents the earth. I Wanna be Around also has an earthy vibe to it.
Air-We don't have the track available to us so I used the tag to Hollidays. You can sing the "Whispering winds" vocals right over it.
Water-I Love to Say Da-Da/Water chant

5 Surf's Up. Brian's demo vocal over the backing track. Ends with the 1971 ending because I believe most of it was recorded in 1967 sans Al's vocal. Again, can someone confirm.

Total side 2 time: About 19-20 minutes

Total time: 36-37 minutes. Sounds about right for a 1967 LP.

Very nice, Wrightfan; well thought out. Looks like you put a lot of work into it.

I found your Elements suite interesting, particularly the sequencing. I'm used to seeing the water segment used to "put out" the fire, then followed by "Workshop" to rebuild.

I also noticed you have "Dada" BEFORE the water chant. But it does segue nicely into "Surf's Up". I agree with closing with "Surf's Up". I still have a hard time including it with the "childhood" theme, in the middle, like BWPS. Very interesting, thanks for sharing it....     

Here's My Current SMiLE Mix

Side 1

1. Our Prayer
2. Gee - Heroes And Villains (2004 Arrangement)
3. Do You Like Worms? (2004 Arrangement)
4. He Gives Speeches (Mok Version Sped up)
5. Wonderful (Box Set Version)
6. With Me Tonight (Slow Version into Fast Version)
7. Child Is the Father Of The Man (Piano Intro into lengthy version based on Brian's Backing track)
8. CabinEssence (Box Set Version)

Running Time 24:48

Side 2
1. Good Vibrations (Single Mix with Hum-Be-Dums and Fast Section dropped in the middle)
2. I'm In Great Shape (Swedish Frog into Great Shape with tape explosion into Barnyard then into Do-A-Lot into Vega-Tables fade)
3. Wind Chimes (Sections edited into 2004 Arrangement)
4. The Elements (Fire Intro into Fire into Holidays ending with Whispering Winds section into Water Chant into Dada with Brian's Coolin so coolin synched to it into Workshop)
5. Vega-Tables (Mono Version Edited from SOT 17)
6. Surf's Up (Purple Chick Mix for the first part with bygones into 1971 version)
7. Old Master Painter - You Are My Sunshine (With False Barnyard fade)
8. You're Welcome

Running Time 26:53

Total Running Time 51:40

Brian's described it as a short spanish sounding piano piece.

We have some that have a short piano piece (Holidays and the middle eight to Wind Chimes) and something that sounds Spanish inspired (Indian Wisdom) but no piece having both.
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Brian did not describe it as a spanish sounding piece - he said it was a piano piece that was never finished.  "Indian Wisdom" wouldn't fit that bill at all.  Speaking of which, what tape box had Indian Wisdom on it?  This is the first I've heard of that.  If so, the tape box would have to have been empty, as Alan hasn't found any tape corresponding to an Indian Wisdom.

Brian did not describe it as a spanish sounding piece - he said it was a piano piece that was never finished.  "Indian Wisdom" wouldn't fit that bill at all.  Speaking of which, what tape box had Indian Wisdom on it?  This is the first I've heard of that.  If so, the tape box would have to have been empty, as Alan hasn't found any tape corresponding to an Indian Wisdom.
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Are you sure? I could've sworn he said there was a spanish influence to it.

Has anyone ever considered that "All Day" was the "piano piece" for Air that wasn't finished? For some reason this seems to make the most sense, unless....

.....it's a piano track on a Heroes and Villains session from 1966 which appeared on a little-circulated bootleg which has been going around, albeit, a little.

Yes and no.
First, I don't think that piano piece ever existed and that it was just one of Brian's many 'who cares' interview answers.
On the other hand, "All Day" was rerecorded with air instruments in May 1967 during the "Love To Say Dada" sessions. So, "All Day" became an air-song, although the water arrangement is more known of course.
Piano piece could also be the "Long, long ago" / "Whisperin’ winds" parts before "Wind Chimes".

What about the Dada session that moves into a CIFOTM-style piano piece before breaking down after about 5 seconds.? I posted about it here before and someone suggested it actually was part 3 of Dada that Brian was intending to record but obviously the entire smile project went t**s up before the session. Maybe this part 3 was air?!! It is certainly another paino piece and is as viable (or unlikely) as any of the other options imo.

Well, here's a funny thing regarding Da Da.

The second version (or second "day) of Da Da is subtitled "Air Da Da".

That's the one with the chirping bird sounds right? Wouldn't be surprised if that was it. The only thingthough is that I feel something more then the water chant would have comprised the water element.

To buddhahat, that's a good suggestion as well. The third version of Da-Da does seem to end too quick.

Yes! I've been doing the same. Just tack "Child Is Father Of The Man" right onto the trailing bass of "With Me Tonight" (from Hawthorne). It works perfectly. And with Brian speaking in the background of the track (when he says "Sing that with a SMiLE"), it adds a little personality to the mix...

As previously noted, All Day became I Love To Say Da Da, which became Cool Cool Water. To my own ears All Day also sounds like the piano intro to Aren't You Glad from Wild Honey.