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Which song/songs is he on?

He played in a gig during encore in 72-73, but he's not appeared on this album.

Hmmm, but I'm sure I've read somewhere that he's on every album from Summer Days to present except MIU.

I heard it was every *studio* album.??

Ah-hah!  Still, I have a nagging suspicion that I've read that he's on it.  AGD?

He wasn't because the show he played during that era wasn't used. Brian was on it too and it would of made sense for them to be guests on the album. It certainly was the last time Brian could have sang his original parts on stage.

Let's hope the Carnegie show is officially released soon -ish.

Though tapes may exist from 1971-72 shows, the specific Concert album was recorded mostly in the Summer and early Fall of 1972. Bruce had left the live band in April 1972 and I believe he made no guest appearances at live dates during the following Summer or Fall. So there was no opportunity for him to be there. As for Brian-other than a short app at the show in Long Beach on Dec 3 1971, he seems to have made no concert apps in 1971 or 1972- so zero chance that he'd be on that album

C-man corrected me- I meant to say that the album was taped in 1973-mostly at August and Sept 1973 shows. Brian and Bruce guested at only one show that I know of that there and I don't think it was recorded

I just remembered something I've been trying to remember for days:

I know a fella that attended the Beach Boys Hollywood Palladium show in April '73.  The photo used on the front cover of the In Concert album is from that show, and my friend Rob is pictured in the audience.  That's one of the shows where Bruce joined the band onstage.  Brian was in the audience but I don't believe he was onstage at all, especially since a reporter ended his piece on the show by asking "Brian, where are you?".  Not sure if any recordings from that show were used on the album, but that photo was...

My friend recounts going up onstage after the show...the roadies where loading the gear out, and Bruce sat at the grand piano playing a new song (either "Ten Years Harmony" or "I Write The Songs", I don't remember which).  Out in the parking lot, Dennis was changing a flat on Audree's car and Rob helped him out.  Murry was there, possibly the last time he saw his Boys in concert.

Brian was onstage at the end-I have multiple reviews of the show-The LA Times article from  Jun 17 1973 mentions that Brian was convinced by Danny Hutton to appear onstage for the last of multiple encores to that show. Said Carl "They were just messing around. I think what he was really doing was checking the audience out. He wanted to come out and see what all the fuss was about"  Afterwards "Brian spoke energetically with friends, his face beaded with sweat, his hands shaking after a rare onstage appearance" It is funny that the Sounds article doesn't mention it-but it is possible that the reporter didn't stay for that last encore or just didn't notice the shy guy onstage at the very end.

After my friend Rob helped Dennis with Audree's flat tire, and they drove off, Dennis looked back at Rob and said "Hey, have a great sex life!".

I was at Palladium show.. that is where the pic is taken = my girlfriend + I are also on cover...Dennis sang Rhonda..1st song..BW was out for last encore.. wearing big double breasted pea coat.. Met him + marilyn after show.. He was VERY NERVOUS.... Met al + blondie  also.. Marilyn was REAL nice...!!!

What did Brian look like at the time. Had he gotten real heavy or gotten the beard yet?

For us trivia fans. ;D

Just had a look at the wiki Palladium site. According to that, this clip from a certain well known film was shot there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NpdCnoiZJ0

Nice to read my friend Craig's comments about my attendance at the April 20 (originally scheduled for March 16) 1973 BB concert at the Hollywood Palladium.  Bruce came out on stage for the last few songs (the beginning of the encores), playing guitar and singing, but I don't recall Brian getting up on stage until the last song, and even then I think he was mainly standing there clapping along -- I'm not sure if he was singing into a live mic.  I did talk to BW and Marilyn back stage after the concert, and then spent time on stage with Bruce and a few other fans as Bruce sang and played (on the piano) Deirdre and Ten Years of Harmony.

The incident where a few other fans and I helped Dennis change Audrey's flat tire occurred seven months later in the parking lot of the Anaheim Convention Center on Nov 16, 1973.

My buddy Ralph (who attended the 4-73 Hollywood Palladium concert with me) and I made a tape the following day discussing our recollections of the concert.  I attended the 11-73 Anaheim Convention Center concert with my friend Julie, and I sent a letter to Ralph (which he later gave back to me) giving details of the concert as well as helping Dennis with the flat tire after the concert. 

If anyone is interested, I can dig those out and post the comments on the tape and text in the letter as they relate to those classic concerts, back when interest in the Beach Boys (which hit an incredible low in the US just a few years after the release of Good Vibes) was on a definite upward swing, but before it exploded the following year with the release of Endless Summer.

Rob

WOW - an exact date for the picture. THAT'S the kind of info that makes my own website all the more enjoyable ... I shall have to insert such fine detail ASAP - www.pipeline-operaglass.moonfruit.com - Thanks C-Man and C-Machine ..!

I would love it !

Wow...I'm a man, but Rob's a MACHINE?  Doesn't seem fair...   :p

for whatever it's worth...i found this...

"According to Bruce, he has been on every BB album since Summer Days (and In Concert). I think that the front cover of the "In Concert" LP was taken at a 1973 concert at the Hollywood Palladium. Bruce was backstage during the show, and joined the band with an electric bass for the encore. Brian Wilson and David Sandler (who had worked with Brian on the Spring LP) were in the Palladium lounge before the show. Brian did not appear onstage."

here....

http://www.mountvernonandfairway.de/answer2.htm

That sounds like what I half remembered.  Thanks.

For some historic insight into The Beach Boys concert at the Hollywood Palladium on Friday, April 20, 1973, here’s a transcript of a tape my friend Ralph and I made almost 35 years ago, on Sunday, April 22, 1973, two days after the concert.  I drove up to LA from San Diego and Ralph flew down from San Francisco.  Why is there a tape of our reaction to and recollections of the concert?  When we were kids my friend moved to New Jersey in 1963, so we started writing letters, followed by “visit tapes” whenever we got together.  What follows is the dialog on the tape that pertains to the Beach Boys concert.

Rob:  We saw the Beach Boys concert (April 20, 1973).  Ralph flew down to the Hollywood-Burbank airport on Friday.  Went and saw The Beach Boys, in concert, which was just fantastic.
Ralph:  A complete groove.
Rob:  Also, Thursday night …
Ralph:  I saw ‘em in San Francisco.  They did the exact same show.   It was outtasite!
Rob:  We’ve got Beach Boys shirts on now.  Ralph wore his Beach Boys shirt to the concert.
Ralph:  About 20 people asked me where I got it.
Rob:  Real good reaction.  On the tape later we’ll tell ya about after the concert.  We talked to Brian Wilson,
Ralph:  Al Jardine,
Rob:  Bruce Johnston, and met some real Beach Boy fans out there.
Ralph:  Rob’s cat’s here on the floor, Rhonda.  Beach Boys opened both concerts with “Help Me, Rhonda.”
(Help Me Rhonda starts playing on the stereo.)
Ralph:  Hot mercy!  It was Friday night, the 20th of April, man,
Rob:   1973, that we saw The Beach Boys at the Hollywood Palladium, presented by KDAY and Pacific Presentations.  It was sold out.
Ralph:  All the seating was on the floor, except for the balconies.  It was jam packed.
Rob:  Yeah, and really fantastic.  We got some pretty good seats.
Ralph:  Or rather on the floor, man.
Rob:  When we went to the concert we stood in line, we  got there about 4:45 initially, and there was already a line of hard core fanatics in line.
Ralph:  So then we got into the Palladium about 7 o’clock and people were like asking me where I got the shirt and everything, and besides that I was telling them about the concert I saw the night before, April 19th at Winterland.  A full house up there the night before, fantastic concert.
Rob:  The first group to play was Mason Proffit.   After that, Jesse Colin Young, who we talked to afterwards, then, of course, The Beach Boys came on.
Ralph:  And they opened with “Help Me Rhonda.”
Rob:  They played for about an hour and 45 minutes with two encores.  Why don’t you read off the list, Ralph, of what they played.  This is not in the exact order that they played in, but it’s sorta close to it.
Ralph:  Help Me Rhonda, Funky Pretty, Darlin’, Heroes and Villains, Caroline No, California, Surfin’ USA, Wild Honey, Do It Again, Don’t Worry Baby, Marcella, Sail On Sailor, Wouldn’t It Be Nice, Good Vibes.  Then they came back with their first encore and did I Get Around, Sloop John B, Fun Fun Fun, Jumpin Jack Flash, and Surfer Girl.  Then they came on again and did California Girls, and closed with Ba-ba-ba-ba  Barbara Ann.  It was fantastic, man.  So, anyway, after the concert we hung around.
Rob:  We went to the back stage.  We hung around for a minute, and then we sorta went back, not back stage, but sorta back in the area where you just get out of the stage there, and saw Al Jardine there, and we sat around and just looked inconspicuous,  and we were inconspicuous for quite a while, so finally a guy asked us to go outside a little farther and Mike and his brother were out there and I turned around and all of a sudden we noticed Brian and his wife Marilyn, so we went over and started talking to them.  They were really friendly.  Talked about the new Spring album that will come out on Columbia.
(Funky Pretty begins playing on the stereo.)
Rob:  One of the songs they played (referring to Funky Pretty).  Got good reception at the concert.
Ralph:  And while we were waiting outside, Al Jardine was out there.   Carl walked by but Rob didn’t see him.
Rob:  Right.  We didn’t see Dennis.  Then Brian and his wife left, said goodbye to everybody.
Ralph:  And we met this guy who was a super Beach Boy fan.
Rob:  This guy, and his girlfriend, or his wife, and then a friend of his.  All big Beach Boy fans.  The guy was going to law school.  Said like they used to hang out at Brother Records.  He said their next album coming out will be a double live album.  And he and his chick had worked, was it three days or three weeks that they’d worked on that tape?
Ralph:  Three weeks, at least.
Rob:  A tape utilizing Beach Boys songs and lines.
Ralph:  It mentioned 36 Beach Boys songs.
Rob:  That they gave to The Beach Boys.  So we were talkin’ about Bruce Johnston’s solo album that’s supposed to come out, and they said the thing had fell through with Bruce and Dean Torrence and Terry Melcher.  So we went backstage and talked to Jesse Colin Young, who Ralph talked to about Marin County.  Then we found Bruce, the other guy there found Bruce.  What was that guy’s name, do you remember, or did we ever find out?  His friend’s name was Nick.  So we found Bruce, and we just sorta sat around and talked with him awhile.  He was there with his woman, and playing a few songs.
Ralph:  On the piano, including one he’d evidently just written about The Beach Boys.
Rob:  So, we finally got out of there about 1:15 and drove back to San Diego, and as soon as morning was breaking, about 5 o’clock, we had some Jack Daniels and Seven Up and finally went to bed.
(Barbara Ann, from The Beach Boys Live in London starts playing on stereo.)
Rob:  This was the last song of the concert, and also the song that’s famous at our parties, with double and triple recordings of it.
Ralph:  The reaction to the concert was so fantastic, they sounded so good.  They had as much as five or six different musicians backing them up besides the regular compliment of Blondie, Ricky, Al, Mike, Dennis, and Carl.  This song really was fantastic in San Francisco and LA.  This one chick at the concert kept asking me if they were gonna play Barbara Ann, she kept singing it.  All through the concert you could hear different people were singing different Beach Boys songs.

Later that day:
(Got to Know the Woman is blasting out on the stereo.)
Rob:   Allright.  We got to know the woman, and here we are on the night of April 22nd,
Ralph:  1973.
Rob:  It’s almost 11 o’clock and Got to Know the Woman is on.  Bruce Johnston is comin up, so I guess we can turn it down a little bit.
Ralph:  He played it the other night, remember, he started to play it.
Rob:  Right, he started to play ol’ Deirdre, for a girl that he said was his best friend, he met, wise, and very dear.
(Deirdre begins playing on stereo, as we mention drinking beer and Jack Daniels.)
(It’s About Time begins playing on the stereo.)

Additional notes:

This was an absolutely wonderful time to see the Beach Boys in concert, as the group was still making relevant new music, plus there was a rapidly growing appreciation for their both their old and new recordings.  Bruce Johnston joined the band on stage, playing guitar and singing, for both encores.  Brian Wilson appeared on stage for the last encore, but I’m not certain if he actually sang into a mic. ( I had used up all my film except for one picture by the time Brian came on, and his face is obscured by the overhead hands of a fan in front of me.  This is the only photo I got of Brian on stage.) 

The outside area we mention backstage was truly outside, but was enclosed and was next to the main backstage entrance.  As people were talking and milling around in this area, Al spent some time meditating.  We noticed Audree and Murry there when Audree, who was walking with another woman, shouted ahead to Murry to wait up for them.  This was most likely the last Beach Boys concert Murry attended. 

When we mention sitting around with Bruce playing the piano, it was on the stage after the concert, as the roadies were removing cords and stage equipment around us.   Bruce’s song we refer to about The Beach Boys was “Ten Years of Harmony”, which we had never heard of until he played it that night.  Bruce was in a very reflective mood as he talked and sang, and I sensed that he really missed being a member of the group.  And, for years I have wondered if the guy going to law school that we spoke with after the concert (and who made the tape with his girlfriend) is still a major fan. 

Dennis was not drumming at the time, due to his hand injury, and he spent a lot of time holding the mic stand in the phallic manner depicted on the cover of The Beach Boys in Concert.  The audience reactred with laughs and cheers.  When I bought The Beach Boys in Concert album that November I instantly recognized the venue as the Hollywood Palladium with its hanging chandeliers.  Ralph and I can both be seen on the album cover, although we are far enough back that no one would recognize either of us without being shown exactly where we were.

Sometimes I really hate that I've only been a Beach Boys fan for 5 years.

Thanks so much Custom Machine ! Great report!


If you care to post it, go ahead...

Do you have any more on this? Like every word! :police:

Seriously, what was Brian's demeanor, how did he look, was he "with it"?

There's a really good picture of Bruce (with bass guitar) joining the Boys onstage in Los Angeles, 1973.   It's probably from the same concert.  Left-to-Right, Dennis, Blondie, Bruce, Al, Carl (partially obscured by Al), Mike, and Billy.  It's on pages 8-9 of "The Beach Boys - A Biography in Words & Pictures" by Ken Barnes, published early 1976 (before 15 Big Ones). 

I'd post it, but my scanner won't scan these days...

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k154/dorphas/scan0080.jpg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k154/dorphas/scan0081.jpg)

Would be interested to see the Brian photo too, because he changed so much from 72-75 it would be interesting to see where he was at. As I said earlier if he did sing it would be the last time he could have done his old parts.

Great pic Steve ! Thank you !

Wow, what a great thread! :thumbsup

The photos are on slides.  Just got out my old slide projector (for the first time in years) to check them out, but discovered it doesn't work.  Anyway, when I get around to scanning the slides, I'll post a few here.

Thank you so much like I said pictures of Brian at the time are highly valued.

Unfortunately, as I had mentioned before, I had used up all but one photo by the time Brian appeared on stage.  Since I was in the audience, and fans were clapping like mad, it turned out that a fan's overhead hands obscured Brian's face.  Also, he was one of many on stage.  But, I will post the photo, as well as a few others from the concert, after I get the slides scanned.

How was Brian at the Palladium 4-20-73?  He came across as upbeat and totally normal.  Then again, although I considered him an eccentric genius, responsible for composing some of the most incredibly wonderful music I had ever had the pleasure of listening to, in the spring of 1973 I had absolutely no idea of the true extent of Brian’s mental issues and drug abuse. 

I had the opportunity to talk briefly with Brian on four other occasions after that.  On 4-23-81, at Carl Wilson’s Roxy concert, Brian was once again with Marilyn.  He was upbeat, happy, and, with a huge grin and great exuberance, made a point of reminding Marilyn and showing others at his table that Carnie was pictured on the cover of the Sunflower album with him.  But, it’s entirely possible that “self medicating” with drugs was responsible for the upbeat behavior I witnessed in both 73 and 81.

I next saw Brian at the 7-28-90 ESQ Beach Boys Convention in San Diego.  Overall he was significantly much more subdued than he had been in 73 and 81.  After his performance, BW was seated at a table signing autographs.  My third time thru the line I decided to ask Brian to sign a bootleg Smile CD.  I was one of the last people in line at this time, and upon seeing the CD, with the original Smile cover, Brian had absolutely no reaction to it, other than to sign it while announcing in a loud voice to a couple of his/Landy’s assistants, “This is my last guy, I gotta pee!”  It was a typical comment that one would only expect from a celebrity with the reputation, at the time, of Brian Wilson, or today, from Britney Spears.  (And please clam down if that corollary seems unjustified, but both individuals, as totally different as they are, especially as far as artistic merit is concerned, have earned well-deserved reputations for “unusual” behavior.)

A little over a year later, on 11-3-91, Brain appeared at the UCSD bookstore to autograph copies of his new (and now infamous) book.  When I got to the table, I told Brian that my two favorite Beach Boys songs were his song, “God Only Knows,” and Dennis’s song, “Forever.”  He leaned back in his chair, briefly closed his eyes, shook his head wistfully, and said, “Oh, Forever is such a beautiful, pretty song.”  I then told him I loved his vocals at the end of the song, and he said, “You know, I didn’t really plan it that way, it just happened, the inspiration just struck that way.”  I thanked him.  He said, “You’re welcome,” then put his head down as if in deep thought.  Not sure what to do, as Brian’s head was still down as if in deep thought, I picked up the album (my original copy of Pet Sounds from ’66) and the book he had signed, and started to walk away.  After a few steps, I heard Brian yell, “Hey!”  I turned around, and as he motioned the next person in line to step aside, he said, “Thank you!  Thank you very much!”

After BW’s 4-8-00 concert at the Roxy, I had short conversation with him after he had been presented with a platinum record award for Pet Sounds,  He came across as totally normal, confident, and at ease. 

Back to the original question - as far as what other fans and I discussed with Brian and Marilyn on 4-20-73, the only thing I can specifically recall, 35 years later, was talking about the previously released Spring album and plans for a second Spring album (which, other than a single release, never saw fruition).  I’m sure we asked about his forthcoming plans with the Beach Boys, but, 35 years later, I don’t recall the details. 

You do hear interviews as late as 1981 where he seems normal. The one I heard and the several I read from 1973 he seems pretty much his old self if a little muddled. Do you remember what he looked like in 73? Did he have the beard yet? Had he gotten real heavy yet?

Brian did not have a beard at the 4-20-73 concert.  He was wearing a long black coat with white shirt, so his weight wasn't real easy to ascertain, but, yes, he was definitely getting heavier, but not as heavy as he would become. 

Got a new bulb for my slide projector and discovered that Bruce actually played the keyboard at the beginning of the encore, switching to guitar later.  (Looks like either Carli Munoz or Billy Hinsche on keyboards after Bruce switches to guitar.)  As for my only photo of Brian during the encore, it was not a fan's hands obscuring Brian's face, as I had stated previously, but rather Dennis clapping hands (after he had removed his shirt, following Mike's lead) that obscure Brian's face. 

When I scan the slides I'll post a few here, but it's important to remember that they are 1973 quality, with 1973 consumer technology.  Way back then, the highest speed film (at least that I knew of) was Kodak's High Speed Ektachrome slide film at 160 asa/iso.  But, if you purchased a Kodak ESP-1 push-processing mailer, you could shoot at 320 asa/iso, which would at least give a half way decent result in the available light of a concert.  I used my girlfriend's Yashica Electro 35cc camera, which had no zoom lens, and the 320 asa/iso available light setting on a 35mm compact camera often resulted in rather blurry or overexposed subjects.  Still, looking at the pixs this evening, they were a cool piece of BB history.  The last photo, which includes Brian, was actually slide number 39, three past the general limit of 36, and as a result is only 2/3rds of a photo, with the last 1/3 consisting of the adhesive material that's on the end of the film roll.

Very cool info. I bet Brian looked a lot like he did on the back of Holland.

I just thought I'd bring this topic back up. I'd like to see that 1973 Brian photo too.  ;)

So what was this clip?  It's been taken down claiming 'copyrighted by NBC'....

Does anyone know how the decision to have just Dennis on the album cover came about? I can't imagine the rest of teh band, especially Mike approving this.

"Hey, let's put the guy all the chicks dig on the cover, with none of the rest of us. And let's make it look like he's peeing on the audience!"

My question is...who wouldn't agree to that???