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Title: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on February 13, 2008, 07:54:21 PM Not sure why, but I made a list of the biggest BB 'classics' &/or hits that Mike did not contribute lyrics to. I'll share it with the class:
Surfer Girl Surfin' USA In My Room Little Deuce Coupe Don't Worry Baby The Little Girl I Once Knew Sloop John B. God Only Knows Heroes And Villains Surf's Up Sail On, Sailor Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on February 16, 2008, 09:29:49 AM I guess some people might also add:
The Girls On The Beach Surfer Moon The Lonely Sea Girl Don't Tell Me Surf's Up Vegetables The Night Was So Young . . . Interesting to notice how many titles on the original list that Mike still sings at every show. Casual fans probably assume he wrote every word he's singing. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: endofposts on February 16, 2008, 10:07:56 AM I think medium-casual fans know that Mike didn't write all the words, at least if they look on the labels and covers. Brian had more than one main-man lyric contributor over the years. I think Mike's main problem with Brian's collaborators were when he felt they weren't commercial. I'm not sure how much of a problem he had with Gary Usher or Roger Christian, other than being a little hurt, maybe.
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: c-man on February 16, 2008, 11:00:03 AM I'd put "Til I Die" in there.
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on February 16, 2008, 12:07:47 PM I'd put "Til I Die" in there. Yep, I agree! Not to mention most of the SMILE album... & most of the entire PET SOUNDS album... I think the only lyric Mike contributed to "Wouldn't It Be Nice" was "good night, baby, sleep tight." Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Beach Boy on February 16, 2008, 12:54:45 PM He wrote a bit of the bridge too.
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on February 16, 2008, 01:17:11 PM He wrote a bit of the bridge too. You mean some lyrics? Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Beach Boy on February 16, 2008, 03:20:31 PM I think so. At least, he said that. ;D
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Jay on February 16, 2008, 11:08:28 PM To be fair, Brian didn't write Sloop John B. None of the Beach Boys did. The arrangement maybe, but not the words.
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Pretty Funky on February 17, 2008, 12:00:11 PM Can I throw in a song I believe Mike did not sing on as a 'no Love' ?
The disco version of 'Here Comes The Night' I recall reading Mike (I think) refusing to sing on as he was anti disco. Ironic considering his willingness to milk any fad going at the time. ie 'Roller Skating Child', 'Brians Back' Any actual 'hits' with no Love vocal? (or should I go through 101 pages of The definitive vocals thread? :thud) Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Chris Brown on February 17, 2008, 04:23:39 PM Any actual 'hits' with no Love vocal? "God Only Knows" is the only one that springs to mind. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on February 17, 2008, 06:58:33 PM To be fair, Brian didn't write Sloop John B. None of the Beach Boys did. The arrangement maybe, but not the words. Weren't new words & music added to the traditional tune? Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on February 17, 2008, 07:20:40 PM Some more B-Boys hits/classics with lyrics not written by Mike:
Barbara Ann Breakaway Do You Wanna Dance? Then I Kissed Her Come Go With Me I Can Hear Music Disney Girls Rock And Roll Music Forever California Dreamin' The Trader This Whole World Why Do Fools Fall In Love? Long Promised Road Bluebirds Over The Mountain Cottonfields Peggy Sue Honkin' Down The Highway Feel Flows Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on February 17, 2008, 09:22:21 PM Any actual 'hits' with no Love vocal? "God Only Knows" is the only one that springs to mind. I always thought Mike was singing the bop bop bop part Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Aegir on February 17, 2008, 09:58:57 PM Mike sings that part live, but I think only Carl, Brian, and Bruce appear on the recording. I think.
To be fair, Brian didn't write Sloop John B. None of the Beach Boys did. The arrangement maybe, but not the words. Weren't new words & music added to the traditional tune? Johnny Cash released a version in 1959 called "I Want to Go Home", changed a few words around, and the song was credited only to Johnny Cash! Not even Traditional arr. Cash. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Chris Brown on February 17, 2008, 10:35:54 PM Quote Mike sings that part live, but I think only Carl, Brian, and Bruce appear on the recording. I think. Yeah I'm pretty sure that's right, I don't hear Mike anywhere on that recording. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: shelter on February 18, 2008, 05:45:19 AM The disco version of 'Here Comes The Night' I recall reading Mike (I think) refusing to sing on as he was anti disco. Ironic considering his willingness to milk any fad going at the time. ie 'Roller Skating Child', 'Brians Back' How about Celebration's "Disco Celebration" album then? I know Dennis refused to sing on it though... Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: mikeyj on February 18, 2008, 07:07:14 AM Quote Mike sings that part live, but I think only Carl, Brian, and Bruce appear on the recording. I think. Yeah I'm pretty sure that's right, I don't hear Mike anywhere on that recording. Yeah according to Bruce in the Pet Sounds Sessions little green book he says that it's just the three voices on the record. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on February 18, 2008, 10:53:24 AM I always thought Mike was singing the bop bop bop part "Bop bop bop" -- Tony Asher's finest moment as a lyricist! :lol Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on February 24, 2008, 09:02:21 AM OK, so here's my list thus far -- any additions?
Surfer Girl Surfin' USA In My Room Little Deuce Coupe Don't Worry Baby Barbara Ann The Little Girl I Once Knew Sloop John B. God Only Knows Wouldn't It Be Nice? Heroes And Villains Surf's Up Sail On, Sailor The Girls On The Beach Surfer Moon The Lonely Sea Girl Don't Tell Me Vegetables 'Til I Die The Night Was So Young Breakaway Do You Wanna Dance? Then I Kissed Her Come Go With Me I Can Hear Music Disney Girls Lady Lynda Rock And Roll Music Forever California Dreamin' The Trader This Whole World Why Do Fools Fall In Love? Long Promised Road Bluebirds Over The Mountain Cottonfields Peggy Sue Honkin' Down The Highway Feel Flows Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Aegir on February 24, 2008, 08:13:02 PM Wasn't Lady Lynda a hit single somewhere in Europe?
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on February 24, 2008, 11:55:43 PM Wasn't Lady Lynda a hit single somewhere in Europe? Ah yes, you're right. It's hard to know where to draw the line with some of these... Maybe "Johnny B. Good" should be added too? I'm looking at the song lists for the Best Ofs, live albums, box sets, etc. ... Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: smile-holland on February 25, 2008, 01:34:25 AM Wasn't Lady Lynda a hit single somewhere in Europe? top 10 in the UK. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on March 07, 2008, 07:23:29 AM Here's a couple more:
"Friends" "Spirit Of America" Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 25, 2008, 02:53:31 AM Ok, this is a mean topic!
AND, we're looking to be dragged into court here! The Beach Boys were never really a traditional, who wrote what, played what insturment, band. Above all, they were a vocal group whos incredible blend of voices was/is beyond magical. Even if Mike didn't write the lyrics to all the listed songs, so what? He still sang all over most of those songs and helped "sell" them as so wonderful. C'mon, why not keep this up and make a list of songs that Dennis contributed nothing to whatsoever!!! I mean, why not? Quit hating on Mike. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Mark H. on March 25, 2008, 04:39:11 AM Ok, this is a mean topic! AND, we're looking to be dragged into court here! The Beach Boys were never really a traditional, who wrote what, played what insturment, band. Above all, they were a vocal group whos incredible blend of voices was/is beyond magical. Even if Mike didn't write the lyrics to all the listed songs, so what? He still sang all over most of those songs and helped "sell" them as so wonderful. C'mon, why not keep this up and make a list of songs that Dennis contributed nothing to whatsoever!!! I mean, why not? Quit hating on Mike. Hating Mike has been a hobby of mine for the last 30 years....don't ask me to give it up now! :p Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on March 25, 2008, 10:46:32 AM Ok, this is a mean topic! AND, we're looking to be dragged into court here! The Beach Boys were never really a traditional, who wrote what, played what insturment, band. Above all, they were a vocal group whos incredible blend of voices was/is beyond magical. Even if Mike didn't write the lyrics to all the listed songs, so what? He still sang all over most of those songs and helped "sell" them as so wonderful. C'mon, why not keep this up and make a list of songs that Dennis contributed nothing to whatsoever!!! I mean, why not? Quit hating on Mike. I started this thread -- & my motivation has nothing to do with being 'mean' to, nor with 'hating on' Mike. Instead, I was thinking about how the general perception seems to be: 'Brian wrote the music, & Mike wrote the lyrics.' So I thought it would be interesting to see a list of titles with lyrics NOT by Mike -- the exceptions to the rule, so to speak. I, in fact, give it up to Mike for some great lyrics for some of the biggest hits & coolest tunes (Get Around, Rhonda, Warmth Of The Sun, etc.) I don't hate Love. Oh, & BTW, we can make a list of non-Dennis songs if you'd like, but it doesn't make as much sense to me because Dennis doesn't have the reputation as the band's main lyrics-writer, dig? Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: PongHit on March 25, 2008, 10:53:43 AM P.S. For me, the B-Boys are *NOT* 'above all' a vocal group... In fact, what got me hooked originally were all the instrumental takes on the PET SOUNDS boxed set... I listened to tons of B-Boy music with NO VOCALS (Stack O'Tracks album, etc.) long before I moved into the vocal stuff. What keeps me in orbit of this music year after year is not the vocal performances (altho they are often amazing), but the structure of the compositions.
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 26, 2008, 02:29:10 AM Props on the musical composition quote. I just meant that the Beach Boys vocals and harmonic blend have always been their bread and butter. Just my opinion. But then again, how many bands can go and release backing tracks with no vocals and have people lap it all up with glee? So, you have a major point there.
As for needing to tear down Mike for being perceived as having written all the lyrics!!! I don't know where or when he's ever been perceived that way anywhere beyond 1964. (but then even in the early days he was denied credit for lyrics he did indeed write) Ask almost anyone and Mike is written off as a no talent asshole who's main goal in life is to leech off Brian's genius. Tony Asher and Van Dyke Parks, and to a lesser extent Gary Usher, are all considered lyrical geniuses, but the guy who wrote the lyrics to what is widely considered the greatest pop single of all-time, as well as several songs that have come to define the California mythos to the rest of the world, is considered garbage. Sure, Mike's attitude has gone a long way to making people simply want to hate him, but if any of us were in his shoes we'd probably behave in even worse ways. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 26, 2008, 02:37:57 AM P.S. For me, the B-Boys are *NOT* 'above all' a vocal group... In fact, what got me hooked originally were all the instrumental takes on the PET SOUNDS boxed set... I listened to tons of B-Boy music with NO VOCALS (Stack O'Tracks album, etc.) long before I moved into the vocal stuff. What keeps me in orbit of this music year after year is not the vocal performances (altho they are often amazing), but the structure of the compositions. i just wanted to clarify. I simply meant that the Beach Boys ARE different from almost any other band because we don't necessarily attach and affix each member to a respective insturment but rather what they contributed writing-wise and vocal vise.... as well as insturmentaly. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: mikeyj on March 26, 2008, 04:20:44 AM Tony Asher and Van Dyke Parks, and to a lesser extent Gary Usher, are all considered lyrical geniuses I don't know if those guys are considered "lyrical geniuses", but yeah I agree Mike does receive very little credit in comparison from a lot of people. I honestly do appreciate Mike's contribution a lot more these days, but he honestly has brought a lot of this "Mike hating" on himself. but the guy who wrote the lyrics to what is widely considered the greatest pop single of all-time, as well as several songs that have come to define the California mythos to the rest of the world, is considered garbage. I'm assuming you are referring to Good Vibrations? You might disagree but as far as I'm concerned, the lyrics have very little to do with it being hailed as the greatest single of all time. Mike Love was capable of FAR better lyrics. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Mark H. on March 26, 2008, 05:31:29 AM Sure, Mike's attitude has gone a long way to making people simply want to hate him, but if any of us were in his shoes we'd probably behave in even worse ways. We might not on the other hand! :smokin Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 26, 2008, 05:41:17 AM sure..... well..... and yeah..... but...... none of use were in the Beach Boys for 40 years. Mike was.
Ever had a spat/disagreement/feud/money issue with a family member or close friend.... No? Oh, ok, then Mike must be the only one. Ever been in a band? If so, have you ever had an issue/argument/credit disagreement/money issue with any former or current band members? No? Must just be Mike. If the answer to any of the above questions is a yes.... none of us know about it or care/have an opinion about it because you didn't have to go through any of it in public. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 26, 2008, 05:53:33 AM "I'm assuming you are referring to Good Vibrations? You might disagree but as far as I'm concerned, the lyrics have very little to do with it being hailed as the greatest single of all time. Mike Love was capable of FAR better lyrics."
yeah, the actual words aren't the greatest ever written, but man, when the chorus kicks in and the bass drops down to that low note right in synch with the "I'm pickin up good vibtrations" line...... !!!!!! Pure genius! Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Jason on March 26, 2008, 08:06:06 PM Sure, Mike's attitude has gone a long way to making people simply want to hate him, but if any of us were in his shoes we'd probably behave in even worse ways. I'm a Mike supporter, hell, I have this handle, but that is by far one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. If I were in Mike's shoes I'd behave WORSE?!? Come on, dude......don't f*** with the formula. Mike's a person, we're all people here. We'll all make mistakes. Ok, I'll put myself in Michael's shoes. Multimillionaire frontman to one of the most acclaimed bands ever. Married several times. Several children. Everybody hates me, nobody likes me, I think I'll go eat dirt. RIGHT. Michael isn't the evil guy that everyone makes him out to be. He's just a businessman who happens to front the Beach Boys. Everyone here had better give him and Carl props for keeping the band going as long as it did without Brian's creative input. And remember the biggest, most nausea-inducing truth (to the blind and closed-minded) of them all - Brian Wilson's biggest fan is Michael E. Love. Learn it. Know it. Live it. You'll feel MUCH better. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Ian Mansfield on March 26, 2008, 08:09:15 PM All of you lack the clear intelligence to understand that with out Mike, Brian was a composer! He was the George Gerswhin of pop music in the 60's if he didnt have Mike to help him put those words to the songs. Yeah I'm gonna take alot of heat for this post but I hope all of you realize they were a team! Alot of you brian fans never seem to realize this, They were both GREAT at what they did! Stop hating on Mike, and stop singing his lyrics that you sing everyday and you know you do it!
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Chris Brown on March 26, 2008, 08:18:22 PM All of you lack the clear intelligence to understand that with out Mike, Brian was a composer! He was the George Gerswhin of pop music in the 60's if he didnt have Mike to help him put those words to the songs. Yeah I'm gonna take alot of heat for this post but I hope all of you realize they were a team! Alot of you brian fans never seem to realize this, They were both GREAT at what they did! Stop hating on Mike, and stop singing his lyrics that you sing everyday and you know you do it! I agree with you to a point...Brian and Mike did some excellent work together, no doubt about it. Its just that when Brian started moving in a more artistic/less commercial direction, Mike wasn't the right person to write with anymore. Brian did fantastic work with a number of lyricists, not just Mike. His work with Tony Asher and Van Dyke Parks is among the most celebrated of his career. Its not as if Mike was the only way Brian could achieve musical greatness (that's not to say that Mike and Brian didn't do some excellent work together too). As a side note, what exactly do you mean by "you Brian fans"? Is that meant to imply that you are not a "Brian fan" or are you referring to those commonly known as "Brianistas"? Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Jason on March 26, 2008, 08:23:19 PM I don't think it is so black and white. Both Brian and Mike had their ideas and their input. Credit them both. They were and are great at what they did. While I'm not a Brianista supporter (feelin' blueeeeeeeeeeeee), this very right-wing Mike post by Mr. Mansfield is a wee bit condescending.
You can make an argument for Michael without having to diss the whole of Briandom. But in the end it won't change many minds. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Mark H. on March 26, 2008, 08:40:27 PM THE THREAD!!!
Live it, love it, get over it! Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Jason on March 26, 2008, 08:45:20 PM THE THREAD!!! Live it, love it, get over it! That's probably a jab at me but it's very true. I still don't know why we bicker over Mike and Brian, this and that, Smile or Kokomo......can't we just listen to the music? Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Mark H. on March 26, 2008, 08:52:22 PM Not a jab....just a reality in the world of the BBs.
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Jason on March 26, 2008, 08:57:19 PM I firmly believe that this forum should have subforums for all of the band members. All of the Beach Boys deserve proper discussions, not "who did this" and "that jerk did that" stuff that seems to go around. Constructive discussions about the MUSIC, their techniques, the MUSIC, their playing, and did I mention the MUSIC?!?
Seriously.....Joe, Klaas, Billy, Chuck - consider this idea. Subforums for each of the members, while keeping this General forum for band discussions and such. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Mark H. on March 26, 2008, 09:00:55 PM Wouldn't feel like a family if there wasn't some bickering going on....man don't seperate anything!
Love him or hate him....all roads to the Beach Boys travel through Mr. Love. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: the captain on March 26, 2008, 09:02:56 PM I firmly believe that this forum should have subforums for all of the band members. All of the Beach Boys deserve proper discussions, not "who did this" and "that jerk did that" stuff that seems to go around. Constructive discussions about the MUSIC, their techniques, the MUSIC, their playing, and did I mention the MUSIC?!? Seriously.....Joe, Klaas, Billy, Chuck - consider this idea. Subforums for each of the members, while keeping this General forum for band discussions and such. You'd have every "band" discussion becoming a convo about the individuals, and every convo about the individuals becoming one about the band. The subjects aren't clear-cut enough to keep separate. Hell, most of the people around here seem to struggle separating Beach Boys general discussions, things like youtube links, and non-Beach Boys general music discussions. I'd hate to see the cross pollination your suggestion would create. Let everyone bicker a little. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Jason on March 26, 2008, 09:04:32 PM I guess that's probably best.....as long as we keep to the music.
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 26, 2008, 10:59:49 PM Wouldn't feel like a family if there wasn't some bickering going on....man don't seperate anything! Love him or hate him....all roads to the Beach Boys travel through Mr. Love. as much as I disagree with you, that is a genius quote!!! Oh, and if you're gonna hate Mike for having spats/disagreements with Brian, it's probably best not to have a picture of George up there I mean, he had a deep seething HATRED for Paul during MOST of the Beatle's career, so, why not go hate George?..... Uh, must correct myself. We're not on a Beatle's board, are we? ;p Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 26, 2008, 11:13:43 PM I would love to just stick to the music, but all this Mike/Brian BS is just too entrenched in the grooves, so to speak, and it will never be resolved.
Someone on this board mentioned elsewhere that people are constantly trying to separate Brian from the Beach Boys, and it's true. The "Brian Nazis" (my term, I'll accept any and all punches) seem to want history to be Brian writing, recording, playing, singing, performing everything all by himself, and this kind of thing admittedly annoys Brian even. People like David Leaf will fawn over Dennis but will still treat him and the other BBs as if their thoughts, opinions, contributions, performances, LIVES, were mere afterthoughts/obstacles to Brians accomplishments. It sucks and it's the main reason why The Beach Boys are frequently written off as second rate Beatles wannabes in the rock history books, not Mike's horrendous yellow sportcoats.... it's also irritating how people constantly slam Mike and Bruce for touring and for somehow being a mere nostalgia wagon. Now, why on earth should they NOT be touring? The material they tour around is damm powerfull stuff. Even the early hits are earth-shattering as far as the impact they've had on western culture. If you'd written/co-written/sang/played/performed, or had any hand at all in such material's creation, you'd perform it too every chance you got and you'd be damm proud of it!!! Title: Mr. The Real Beach Boy!!! Post by: Ian Mansfield on March 27, 2008, 12:26:02 AM Your lucky your a friend of mine lol, no I did not mean to be or come off as condescending in anyway, though those that know me know i have slight bit of preference towards Dr. Love, I will never ever in a million years discredit Brian in anyway for his contributions to The Beach Boys while he was in the Beach Boys. There will always be a Mike and Brian debate, while it does always seem to get old sometimes there is just no other s h i t to talk about. And getting back to the original idea of this thread brian did have some great songs that Mike did not write on, but i find the list to extremely skewed as alot of those songs brian did not write and the band covered, this would be open for better debate if songs like fools, john b, then i kissed her, were not included on the list. And Mr. Beach Boy do the briansta's know that you have adopted a pro Mike Love alter ego?? Bluebird would go nuts if she found out!
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: carl r on March 27, 2008, 01:50:21 AM IThe material they tour around is damm powerfull stuff. Even the early hits are earth-shattering as far as the impact they've had on western culture. If you'd written/co-written/sang/played/performed, or had any hand at all in such material's creation, you'd perform it too every chance you got and you'd be damm proud of it!!! Yes the material is powerful stuff there's no doubt about that. The setlist looks good to me. Set against that, lets take the canned synth sound, the singing-over-playback, John Stamos, the corporate nature of the Beach Boys from the late 70s onwards, Bruce. So Mike Love's "End of the Pier" Beach Boys - they're a good laugh, but not for everybody, especially if you like Brian's songs from 66 onwards. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 27, 2008, 02:47:37 AM IThe material they tour around is damm powerfull stuff. Even the early hits are earth-shattering as far as the impact they've had on western culture. If you'd written/co-written/sang/played/performed, or had any hand at all in such material's creation, you'd perform it too every chance you got and you'd be damm proud of it!!! Yes the material is powerful stuff there's no doubt about that. The setlist looks good to me. Set against that, lets take the canned synth sound, the singing-over-playback, John Stamos, the corporate nature of the Beach Boys from the late 70s onwards, Bruce. So Mike Love's "End of the Pier" Beach Boys - they're a good laugh, but not for everybody, especially if you like Brian's songs from 66 onwards. Ok, well, if you don't care for Mike/Bruce's act, go see Brian and enjoy living in a free country. And I'm not defending whatever silly trappings come along with Mike/Bruce's thing, just their right to do it. And let's just see how cool me and you are when we're 65 years old. Think about it. The Beach Boys were never hip to begin with so, why should Mike care about any of that garbage? I've seen Brian several times in recent years, and while wonderful, it's just not the same without hearing ALL FIVE of the Beach Boys voices blending. Same thing with Mike/Bruce. But, you can't go back in time, so I'll take the wondermints and Brian, and I'll take Mike/Bruce. They're all just keeping this wonderful music alive. We're talking 40 years down the line here. Give these guys, and not just Brian, a break! And on the subject of Brian's songs from 66 onward, you must only be talking about Smile cause Mike's all over the BBs output 66 and beyond, as well as before, but don't let me burst any bubbles here. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: carl r on March 27, 2008, 03:21:46 AM Can I add "Time To Get Alone" ?
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 27, 2008, 03:41:41 AM what's the point of any of this? Mike still sang on all of these songs except for maybe a couple.
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 27, 2008, 03:45:41 AM What if I took "Get back" by The Beatles and used it as an example to somehow knock Lennon because he didn't write the lyrics? That would be beyond silly. He still contributed the lead guitar part, the song was released by The Beatles, and he was in The Beatles. End of story!
This is moronic and it just feeds peoples snideness toward the The Beach Boys in general. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: carl r on March 27, 2008, 05:13:22 AM Sorry, I am not totally serious about this, but to misquote Lloyd Bentsen, "Mike Love, you're no John Lennon."
Or is "Mike Love Not War" really, really as good as "Imagine" or "Plastic Ono" ? If so, then OK... When a band fragments, we only have solo output to say what kind of things were contributed by the various band members. So we can say that the Beatles had 3 great songwriters when they split. Not having broken up, the Beach Boys individual output is a bit more murky, you could make a case for Dennis, perhaps a lesser case for Carl's solo output, some people like Bruce's songs, but no-one seems to think Mike Love has done too much. Anyway, I don't think people are knocking the lovester, just trying to pick a way through the venomously anti-Love agenda and blind worship for someone who seems a bit flawed in various ways. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 27, 2008, 05:45:15 AM "When a band fragments, we only have solo output to say what kind of things were contributed by the various band members."
that's as absurd a statement as I've ever heard. bands aren't solo careers. bands are collaborative situations no matter what the lable credits read. It all comes down to chemistry and how the members different sensebilities/strengths/weaknessess play off each other..... I shouldn't have to be explaining this. And I'd count Ringo as a pretty damm great songwriter as well. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Dancing Bear on March 27, 2008, 07:14:29 AM Not having broken up, the Beach Boys individual output is a bit more murky, you could make a case for Dennis, perhaps a lesser case for Carl's solo output, some people like Bruce's songs, but no-one seems to think Mike Love has done too much. I'll take Mike's best of Celebration/First Love/LBWL over Carl's two solo albums anyday. Now there's a War of Titans for you. :) But it's unfair. If Carl had released a solo album in 1976 or 1978, the odds are that it would have sounded much better than the ones he recorded in 1981 and 1983. Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: carl r on March 27, 2008, 09:40:08 AM Without becoming self-righteous, I actually think writing, whether it is music or books, is an individual, often solitary affair. Maybe, when it comes to recording, the band can suggest and adapt, as actors might suggest additions or changes to a film script. My understanding of Brian's process was that he directly collaborated sometimes, other times just gave out a tape and said "think of some words." Even when directly collaborating, the tunes resulted from hours of bashing at the piano. So no, generally I don't think music creation is normally a group effort, but it can be 2 people bashing ideas off each other. Does anyone really dispute who had more ideas in a Love/Wilson composition? Maybe it doesn't matter, but it seems that the Beach Boys have had loads of issues with this, probably because of Murry, originally.
Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: Mark H. on March 27, 2008, 10:24:14 AM I shouldn't have to be explaining this. Why? Quote And I'd count Ringo as a pretty damm great songwriter as well. Really? hmmm.....ok Title: Re: Songs with NO Love Post by: KokoMoses on March 27, 2008, 11:03:48 PM why?..... I'll just let you sit there and wonder
Ringo a great songwriter? why? should I not be able to think that? are you really a music fan? |