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talking about it on the blueboard....link to the topic on another board

www.brianwilson-fans.com/forum/index.php?topic=1837.210

Wooohoooo!!!

The new SMiLE!

Speculation starts here:

1. Which bandmember hates the lyrics?
2. Which (prescribed) drugs are causing Brian's lack of focus?
3. Which other band has already "done it"?
4. Are there enough studios in LA to be able to record TLOS?
5. Are the "vibrations" and "astroligical signs" wrong?

FYI: I plan to put my copy of the Sydney Festival Sampler with Midnights Another Day on it up for sale on EBay starting at US$2000 - it might be your only chance to ever have an "official" TLOS recording!!!  Bidding starts now!!! :lol ::) ;) [insert sarcasim smiley here]

Ah, geez. I don't think we can afford to wait 38 years this time...

 :-D

I have no doubt it's all absolutely true because Beach Boys and Brian Wilson fans aren't the type to deal in rumoUrs and speculation.

And I don't think it's true, because Brian Wilson is not the type to be flakey and unpredictable.

We should be on Point/Counterpoint.

You can be Tucker Carlson and wear the bowtie.

Oh buoy snaps, if this this true I am going to cry I swear, I hope Brian  AND his band hear that  :'(

(end of dramatic effect)


I realized if it comes out 37 years from now, I will be a senior citizen. Ewwwwwwwwwwww  :ahh

if it comes out 37 years from now, Brian will be older than Moses
Carly

This is quite the disappointment.

C'mon Brian, I know you can, I know you can!

If this really *is* 1967 all over again, expect a new album called "Unlucky Young Moon" to be released in its place in September.

more like "The Luck of the Sun"

... or The Lack Of The Sun.  :)

:lol

Lucky-esque Lucky Old Sun?

Hopefully it's been shelved in favor of the inevitable BB reunion gig.  I'm sure the lawyer$ are workin' round the clock to make it happen (even though many BB fans are not interested in a reunion gig).

'Luckily Lucky'...?

And the follow-up will be a back to basics rock and roll record dominated by an out of tune piano, and named after a sweet sticky substance that refuses to be tame, and it will only be available in mono.  ;) :lol

 :-D Fantastic

I know I shouldn't bother trying to continue this line of thought, but I think the album will be entitled "That Luckier Old Sunnier Sun" and consist of stripped-down demo versions of the tracks (hey, I guess it's already in the can then!).

You keep thinkin' Butch, that's what you're good at.  8)

Urge to make tasteless joke....rising...must...resist...

Can't wait too long...

Yep -- and by my logic (see avatar), it will be Brian's best solo effort ever!  ;D

 :o

Let's just hope its just a minor problem and not the end of the Brian Wilson Team.....

without the band, I don't think we would have had all the great experiences we've gotten from Brian over the last 5 years...

I checked the link and it appeared to be an old thread.  Nothing about post-poning the recording of the album.  So what is the scoop on all this?

Much stranger things have happened in the BB world. And make sure you bring your fork and spoon to the show.....

I thought that 2008 was panning out too well.

POB and new Brian Wilson?  ...perhaps we're simply not allowed both!

Yeah, im not seeing anything from that link....
hmm

Brian is playing a three-night gig at the Hollywood Bowl in September (complete with fireworks).  Maybe he's postponing recording it in order to debut it there, either as a kick-off to promote it, or to get interest for someone else to fund it and release it?  Considering all the real estate he's been trying to sell lately, how hard real estate is to sell right now, and the fact he's trying to open a restaurant chain, maybe the money isn't there to record it the way he wants it.

It looks like the post has been deleted. Makes you wonder...

 :o  those posts are GONE........hmmmm...wonder why............................

Odd...

On a related subject, MOD and FSBMSG are no longer available as free preview links on the Blue Board.

Of course, on the other hand, the Hollywood Bowl gig is advertised as being "summer classics."  Maybe they've given up on Brian having a recording career for new material, at least for the time being.  Or Brian himself has.

Dear God I hope not...

Does AGD's MIND GANGSTERS have anything to do with this??

Nope.

Well I would highly doubt it (unless it's Brian himself who has made the decision, which is possible) as that would just be stupid. I mean Brian releases GIOMH which is on the whole re-recordings/re-hashed Brian material and then of course we had BWPS which Brian had very little to do with (meaning that most of it was done in the 60's and what was created for BWPS was basically the work of others from what I've read)..

Brian over the last couple of years has basically just turned out a couple of songs every so often (eg: the new christmas songs he wrote) I mean why would the the band or whoever give up on Brian recording new material? It's the first time in a long time that he's come up with one cohesive complete work with a few pieces here and there that have been taken from old works but it appears (from most people's opinions and reviews etc..) that this is his best work in years, why would they just "give up" on Brian? I know you were only saying it as a possibility but I just don't think its very likely.

I'm looking forward to hearing a released version as well, but I don't think it's Brian's health or willingness to do the album which is the source of the delay.

The music industry seems to be in a crisis. As people have said before, Brian and his management have to consider whether it will be possible to promote and manufacture an album in a worthwhile way without the backing of a major. The fact he appeared on a Target CD as part of a compilation previously would seem to indicate that Brian's career is being affected by the harsh economic realities. In the sense of having a keen following, but not a large following, he is more of a "cult" artist

As well as that, I'm not absolutely sure the set of songs are entirely finished.

So it sounds to me, as a hunch, that economic reasons are behind this. At some point, I'd at least like a DVD from a live/tweaked performance released. Maybe it would be enough?

To me it doesn't look like anything to freak out over. Pacific Ocean Blue is coming out. Brian is going to give it a chance to breathe a bit (as it were) before releasing TLOS.

Thats how this fool sees things anyhoo.  :hat

I'd be very surprised if Brian, or anyone in his team, knew much (if anything) about the POB/Bambu project.

The only logical reasons for the sessions to be postponed:

1) The material, songwriting-wise, is not complete according to Brian.

2) There is a scheduling conflict between Brian and other band members.

3) Brian wishes to devote his time to something other than recording.

4) Ill health.


I really don't think money would be an issue as far as holding the sessions. Since TLOS has already been rehearsed and performed, Brian, the band and the Stockholm Strings and Horns should be able to knock out the backing tracks in a matter of days with another couple of weeks for vocals and mixing. I think Brian could afford that out of his own pocket.

Just because the record industry is in bad shape or PACIFIC OCEAN BLUE is being reissued should not be a reason to postpone the recording of an album, only the eventual release of it.

Huh.

Well all I can add to this is Darian asked for his glockenspeil, which I had borrowed several months ago, for a BW session about three weeks ago.  It got postponed at the last minute, but we returned the glock anyway, last week, assuming he'd need it sooner or later.  Wish I'd read this thread first...I really liked having that glock around!!!!  ;)

1) No.

2) No.

3) No.

4) Not that I'm aware.

Maybe the new sessions have been cancelled because Brian/The Band realised that the demos are good enough to be released?

I like the minimal productions we've been hearing recently. Maybe a couple of 'sweetening' vocal sessions are required and then it's done...?

Ya think ?  ::)

Oh man Andrew, you and your insider-ness is so confusing to me sometimes.

Either Loaf's right, or my theory is that Melinda got in a fight with Scott Bennet, and that's why TLOS isn't going to be released.

Since when did "postponed" turn into "isn't going to be released"? On the blueboard someone said it's because they want to release a live DVD and can't find a backer.

Tucker Carlson   >:D

Me    :angel:

Doesn't work. You can be Tucker Carlson. And we'll bring in Jon Stewart for good measure.

Not finding a backer for a live DVD would not prevent the album from being recorded (unless they want somebody like Martin Scorsese to shoot behind-the-scenes footage of the sessions!).

I don't want to be Tucker Carlson, either. Maybe we'll just have Counterpoint/Counterpoint.

Scorsese!  "We need to re-shoot this whole thing! Where's Brian? ....Brian?"
Conceivably, they might have stopped recording (an expense) if they realized they couldn't release the project as originally intended.

If it is released as is, that shouldn't be a problem, providing that the rest of the demos sound as good as what's been posted already on bw.com.  I do hope that Live Let Live isn't the Artic Tale version, but a re-recording using the lyrics from the live show, as not only are the lyrics clunky, but Brian's vocal is kinda...meh. The vocals on the live versions IMHO sound better.

AGD is either cagey or quiet.. He knows + cant say.. Back up  + BREATHE..!!,,,!!1 Some strange stuff comin down... A new masterpiece might bite the dust..!!..???...Or press intervention..??.. Either way im NOT holdin my breath.. Got the boots..Its not dead..Just in a holding pattern,,CROSS FINGERS..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...Paul

One thing I've learned in the 13 years since I first became a fan is to never assume anything, good bad or in between. I'm at the point now where nothing would surprise me.

Aside from when  he tries to hit the really high notes, I absolutely love the Arctic Tale version of Live Let Live, vocally and instrumentally. I like it better than Midnight's Another Day. Hell, I like it better than This Whole World. If nothing else comes of TLOS, at least we got Live Let Live.

I actually really do like it, but after hearing some of the live versions...no comparison.  And live, he actually can hit the high notes. The song itself is pretty nifty, and in parts reminds of Sail On Sailor.

Who was the producer?

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

 :thud

I just think it's a great song. I especially love the line "polarization the talk of the nation explain to me why hearts are turning to warming". And the lead guitar under the chorus (the "there is a roar coming from shore") part is just so wonderful. When I heard Live Let Live for the first time, I thought to myself, wow, Brian's back.

And then to hear the TLOS boots of the song with lines like "Perfect for fish making a wish" and "I've got a notion we come from the ocean" and that guitar line missing... man, I don't know. One of the only lyrics I like in that version is the line "I am a diver a long long survivor", but only because it reminds me of Sail On Sailor.

.

I'm with Aegir on this: the Arctic Tale version beats the TLOS version. (I'm not with him on liking it more than Midnight's Another day.)

And where do people get this "Brian hits the high notes live" stuff? I think I've heard three or four of the shows, and never has he even remotely consistently hit the high notes in that or any of the other songs. He's game, which is nice, giving it an effort. But he's very rarely hitting them. It's like somebody's mistaking effort for success.

Man, with Brian effort IS success!  ;D

True dat.

In some senses, sure; but not in terms of hitting a note. I mean, that's a pretty much Y/N question. Once there, you can discuss the timbre question. I'm all for rougher vocals in general if it means none of the slippery cheese, but for a featured note like the one in Live Let Live, you've got to be there, and if you're not, you're not. Liking that he's going for it isn't the same as him making it.

The music industry is dead.  I don't know why Brian and his "people" can't deal with that, if that's the hold-up.  It gets worse every year.  They need to take the bull by the horns and self-release.  A DVD might not be a bad idea, because it's easier to get money out of people to buy those than CD's.  Obviously, offering it as a download risks having it circulated for free.  If I were the Wilsons, I'd shoot a live DVD, then release it in both Blu-Ray and standard def.   And do it themselves while the iron is a little warm.

I prefer the Arctic Tale version compared to the TLOS version and I much prefer the song over MAD!!

Offering it as a CD or a DVD risks having it circulated for free anyway. Releasing a studio version of TLOS on the internet is definitely the way to go!

You beat me to it - i was going to say the same thing.  It's a few minutes' work to rip a CD and share it on-line; fear of file sharing should not be anybody's reason for not releasing something on-line.

If the main reason for the hold-up is indeed record label support, why can't they pull another "Live at the Roxy"?  Release it via BW.com first, and if and when it is successful release it commercially with bonus-tracks?

Self-release is the wave of the future, and I wish that BriMel would recognize that simple fact.

I posted about Internet self-release on the blueboard. I think it's a good idea too.

If making a major impact on the charts or having huge success is what they're waiting for, it might as well be forgotten. Brian Wilson's time for having anyone outside of a relatively small market care about his new work is long, long gone. It was pretty much gone by his first solo album, and that's 20 years ago now. (Oh, I know it got great reviews; I know writers were psyched, but that amounts to BW geeks, not a lot different than the sort of excitement around here.)

So if--if--some sort of concerns about getting a great deal out of the album are the hold-up, I'd say forget it and retire. That won't happen. If Smile couldn't do it, nothing will.

They ought to go the route of everyone else who isn't a 17-26-year-old star-of-the-moment with model's looks and just do it on an interested indie with a major distribution deal. The established crowd is going to buy it anyway, and some of those labels may be able to draw some new fans based on the bands they represent now who are interested (i.e., the Pitchfork set, for lack of a better term). And if there's one thing I'm certain of, it's that those labels have found some working financial model to release hard-copy discs with interesting packaging without breaking the bank. Last year's Okkervil River album, for example, on Jagujaguwar Records, came in a cardboard trifold, double-disc set. Disc 1 was the album, disc 2 was demos of the album, and it had a booklet. Of Montreal's album (Polyvinyl) had great packaging. And there are plenty of others that fit that mold, too. These labels aren't spending nearly as much on the machinery of the majors--a lot more is going into product. And it shows.

If BW goes that route, he'll get the usual established rock press attention because he's Brian Wilson. He might get some hipster interest because he's an aging legend (hell, p4k even interviewed Macca on his last release). Sales will be mediocre (relative to his past) regardless, but at least he can get another respected, respectable album out there (and likely turn a little profit).

Hell, he's better off than most musicians. At least he doesn't have to go back to a day job between albums and tours like most of the bands I listen to these days. 

Hey AGD, obviously if you can't reveal info then you can't reveal info.  But do you actually know why That Lucky Old Sun has been delayed/scrapped?

No.

:p

Interesting that someone who doesn't know me at all well has such intimate knowledge of my sources of information in the BB/BW world.

Ignore the man behind the curtain.

I suspect it's because the information's source is unattributed and, regrettably, therefore inadmissible. Tantalising, as ever, but inadmissible.

Ah, so not giving the name of my source(s) makes my information (and by association, me) unreliable. Thanks for the vote of confidence in my honesty and veracity.

Andrew,

I have it on very good authority* that you are honest and vivacious and would never intentionally imply otherwise.

I just think it's important to credit sources - I mean to say, Keith Badman failed to do so, and look at the criticisms he got!

                                           :hat


* I can't say on whose authority -  you'll just have to take my word for it!  ;D

It's not like AGD threw us a stinky conspiracy theory about Brian's recording career. In fact, he only denied some reasons that Roger Ryan gave, gamely, for the postponement.

Just playing ping pong, no harm intended.  :)

I was under the impression that Badman was motly criticised for inaccurate and/or misleading information as well as using other people's writings without due credit.

If somebody is told something in confidence, they have every right to withhold their source. The truth will come out eventually. Really, what we should be thankful for is that at least we know the postponement , such as it is, isn't due to bad health on Brian's part.

I don't care at this rate why it isn't out. All I know is when it comes out, I will probably buy it and do this  :listening, this :banana, and especially this  :drunks

Same here! :lol

I much prefer the whimsical, happy, idealistic lyrics of the TLOS version of Live Let Live than the self-important cause-song lyrics of the Artic Tale version.  Sorry, just my opinion.  I don't really like hearing a lecture from a Beach Boy song, but if Brian wants to sing about how nice the environment is I'm cool with that.  LOL

Hmm... it's not a Beach Boy song though, it's Brian and Van Dyke Parks, and that combination is normally guaranteed to offend certain people, whilst sending others into orbit. They are anti-war pro-environment lyrics which work very well for me.

I'm disappointed as this has the potential to be Brians best solo work by far but will wait patiently for it to come out. This is the world of the Beach Boys so delays and no-shows are inevitable!

... but apparently not for Brian since he dumped 'em and replaced them with the far superior TLOS lyrics!

Yes, I guess TLOS is more autobiographical so VDP's lyrics maybe wouldn't have fitted.

I do find this whole thread bizarre in a way, Brian has a website, surely someone in his management team can field questions from fans and put the answers online. A lot is guesswork and leaks. This isn't Brian's fault, but it makes sense for the fans to be updated every now and then, about the what where and why... unless some of those people around are ultra-protective of their own insider status?

I agree about the strange way that this has come about.  The mysterious disappearance of the thread on the brianwilsonfans website (that Dutch one, not the bloo), like some sort of government secret was being exposed.  Just tell us, ferchristssake.  Brian doesn't want to do it anymore, the band is busy with other projects, they're putting out a DVD instead, they don't quite know what they want to do yet, whatever.  Just tell us, the folks who really do have an interest in Brian's work, what's going on with this composition.   

It is strange how news hasn't come out from the official sources, but this happens a lot. Remember when they announced that Brian was going to premiere TLOS and someone spoke to Darian, who knew nothing about it at the time? Then everyone started questioning whether TLOS was real or a publicity thing to pressure Brian into working?
And it turned out that TLOS was real.

The pattern is that news comes from one of the band members, who was having a casual conversation. The person who was speaking to the band member leaks the information. Then everyone starts speculating and wondering why Brian's camp is keeping quiet. Then an insider (like AGD) throws in a few cryptic hints but can't say anything outright.

You wonder why Brian's camp doesn't say anything, but the other side is, why should they? Maybe the band members should be careful who they talk to.

I doubt that it's some traumatic, awful thing, given Brian's obvious good spirits at the Was (not Was) show. That said, if it's _not_ a traumatic, awful thing, why can't Brian's camp just put out some news?

Hey, how can you expect such infos from a team that doesn't even announce their own concerts?