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From what I understand, there are at least two recordings from the Austrailian tour that are circulating. There are also at least two films that exist. Only one is circulating. I have a few questions about them. There is one concert that is being traded with I believe the label of "Perth, Februrary 14 1978". This recording is almost the complete concert. "Country Pie" cuts in a few seconds after the start. During this concert, Carl is pretty obviously drunk/stoned. But he does rather well considering his condition. There is also a recording that is being traded, but most people seem to have only two songs from that particular show. On this recording, Carl is VERY drunk/stoned, and sings quite poorly. Out of the two recordings I just mentioned, the best way to identify them is by the version of "Good Vibrations". On the recording where Carl is VERY drunk/stoned, he drags out the "audience participation" section for quite some time. Brian then attempts to bring the song back into cohesion by doing the "hum be da" chant. On most copies of this tape, GV fades out while it's still being played. Now, there is also a film that is circulating, that is clearly not either of the two shows I mentioned above. My questions are, is there any way we can DIFINITIVELY date each of these recordings/films? Is the recording where Carl is VERY drunk circulating as the complete concert? Do only two songs from this show exist on tape?

Oh wow, Brian singing the "hum be da" part in 1978? I'd like to hear that.

I believe that the film footage that makes the rounds and is on Youtube (in parts) was filmed in Melbourne-where the group played on March 8 and 9 1978- prior to Perth. Not sure which night was filmed though.  As you can see-Carl had problems that whole ill-fated tour.  After Melbourne, the group played in Adelaide-then Perth for two nights (14, 15) and then two shows in Sydney (18 and 19).  Carl held a press conf in Perth after that infamous show and apologized to the Australian fans.

I have a set of homemade audio CDs that (supposedly) feature three complete Australian shows.  One of them has a part between songs where Carl apologizes to the audience about his drunken condition on a previous night... though he still sounds sloshed even as he apologizes.  The three shows are identified on the covers (keep in mind these dates could be very very wrong)

1.  Perth, Western Australia Cricket Ground, Feb 14 1978.
2.  Brisbane, March 3 1978.
3.  Melbourne, 1978, no specific date given.

Those dates are wrong mostly- All my dates are correct I think (I had to go to the library and look through a bunch of Australian newspapers to get them). Basic tour details- Feb 26 1978 BBs in Auckland (I think this was the first date of the tour- they were in Vegas on Feb 17). Feb 28 in Christchurch.
March 2 1978-The BBs arrived in Australia and held a big press conference-I have a very long article about this- Brian stayed about 10 minutes and then split.  March 3-7 the BBs played in Brisbane-5 concerts. I have a few articles about this and a concert review.  Mar 8 and 9 Melbourne. Positively no doubt. Have copy of concert poster.  Mar 12-Adelaide (not sure if they played any other nights there). Perth was indeed March 14 and 15-without any doubt.  Carl's public apology was in the Sydney papers on March 16. The show organizers returned 2,000 dollars to upset fans.  Carl promised it wouldn't happen again.  Sydney was the 18th- supposed to be the tour-ender, but due to demand they added a day show on Mar 19.  I have reviews of both shows.   The BBs then left Australia and played in Hawaii on Mar 20 and 21.  The next tour-a USA south-west tour started on Apr 14 1978

First up BIG THANKS to Stephen McParland for his assistance in putting the following information together - especially concerning the concert dates. 1978 Australian tour dates:

1st March 1978: Arrived in Sydney.
2nd March 1978: National News Conference, Boulevade Hotel Sydney.
3rd March 1978: Depart Sydney.
5th March 1978: Brisbane Concert
8th March 1978: Melbourne Concert. Myer Music Bowl.
9th March 1978: Melbourne Concert. Myer Music Bowl.
12th March 1978: Adelaide Concert.
14th March 1978: Perth Concert. Perth Entertainment Centre
15th March 1978: Perth Concert. Perth Entertainment Centre
16th March 1978: Arrive back in Sydney.
17th March 1978: Gold Record Presentation at Sebel Townhouse
18th March 1978: Sydney Concert. Sydney Sporstground.
19th March 1978: Sydney Concert. Sydney Sportsground.

10th May 1978: Broadcast on the Seven Network of a section of the March 9th Melbourne show.

Prior to the arrival of the Beach Boys in Australia they played a couple of concerts in New Zealand.

NOTE: Somebody please finally record this information for posterity (I will send info the Eric Anniversario).

To clarify the original question:

The two tracks of God Only Knows and Good Vibration where Carl is very "drunk" were from the March 14 Perth show. These two tracks were booted on the Lei'd In Hawaii (Vigotone) boot in 1994 but the tracks were mistakenly listed as "Live in Sydney February 13 1978".

The full concert where Carl is still "under the weather" is from the March 15 Perth Show at the Perth Entertainmnet Centre. The show was booted on the "Surfin' Down Under" boot on Rock Calendar Records in 1993 - On the boot the show is again mistakenly credited as "Live in Perth, Western Australia Cricket Ground. February 14 1978" - venue and date are both incorrect.

The TV footage is from the March 9th show from the Myer Nusic Bowl show in Melbourne. The footage was aired on Australian TV on the Seven Network on May 10 1978.

The March 5 Brisbane Show as far as I know has not been "officially booted" but copies are doing the collectors circuit.

Hey Ian - looks like you and I were cross checking facts and posting away at the same time - I was unaware that there were so many concerts in Brisbane - seems unusual that there were 5 and I certainly don't recall that from the time - still happy to be wrong if we can finally confirm dates and put it all to rest. I attended the two Sydney shows.

I have a cassette tape of the 1978 Australian tour with all the news reports of the Perth debacle and the press conferences - including a very long interview with Dennis where he discuss with the editor of Tracks surfing magazine about surfing and music - really interesting. Ill try to get copies made in the next few weeks and start circulating them.

Anyhow - good to see we are in general agreement about dates!!! Finally!!!

I would love to hear that, and also read scans of the articles. This tour has always fascinated me.

Thanks a lot Ian and TonyW!  ;D Ian, would you be willing to "transcribe" that article about the March 2nd press conference, and post it? I would love to read it.

This is the recording I'm the most curios about. This was the show where Carl "passed out", right? Are there any songs besides the two mentioned above that are circulating? I'd LOVE to hear more.  ;)

Yes the two tracks from the Perth show on the 14th are from the show where Carl "passed out" - fell into the drums if I recall correctly.

I have not heard any more from the actual March 14th show - I have seen people post that they have heard the March 14 show - however this could be confusion caused by the Surfin Down Under boot having the March 14 date when it actually the March 15 show.

There may be copies of the Match 14 show in circulation and if anybody has actually A & B'ed the March 14 and 15 shows and can confirm they are different shows then that would be good. Please speak up and clear the confusion!!

I recall either reading or being told that Carl fell into the drumset during "Darlin'". I've always assumed that this was different from when he "passed out" though. I have read that at one point during the show, the rest of the band made Carl leave the stage. But, Carl sang Good Vibrations at the show, so I don't know if that story is true or not.

Can anybody help me out with this?

Inquries are currently being made to try to get a first hand account of what happened. Excuse the Australianisim but "it's 30 bloody years ago!" and back then Perth wan't exactly a bloody big town!

My recollection from media reports at the time - and I was in Sydney - was that Carl did not "pass out" more just that he was pretty "farked up".

Also keep in mind that on that tour band members came and went from the stage during the show at a rapid rate and that "Carl was made to leave the stage by the band members" could well have been just an uninformed journalists interpretation of what was a pretty strange time for the band.

Wheels are in motion to try to get some answers.

 

Okay, we have found somebody who was at both Perth shows. Richard Marr (AKA Zac) has emailed me with some details - hopefull Richard will be registered on the board in a short while and will be able to join the discussion himself - finally SOMEBODY WHO WAS THERE!!

Here is the body of Zac's email to me:

"Yeah, I was there. Carl said on the TV news the next night apologetically that he must have had too many Mai Tais before the concert!!!!!!

I saw three concerts and they were all great to me. That’s the year my son was born and I remember it really well. About 10% of the audience (wowsers) left. There were 15 musicians on stage and covered the mistakes of Carl well. Brian was at that stage where he just wandered around on and off the stage, especially during an extended version of “All This Is That”.

I remember “Country Pie” and “Lady Linda” particularly.

Even before the lights came on Carl was  audible and I suspected that he was “not normal ie pissed! Or stoned."

Tony- I'll check my articles-but I am pretty positive that thje group played multiple nights in Brisbane- making it their base till they went to Melbourne-

Tony-I found a poster that advertised the BBs at Festival Hall in Brisbane on Friday March 3 1978 and Saturday March 4 1978. It's possible that more shows were added after the poster was printed- but that is at least two nights

Hi Ian - we have a case of mistaken identity here! I thought the Ian posting on this thread was Ian Parsons from Brisbane - D'oh!

Ian Parsons will be a good source of what happened in Brisbane so i will get in contact with him and see if he can clarify shows and dates.

FYI: In 1978 the three biggest cities in Oz were Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane - even then in the late 70s Sydney and Melbourne were quite urban cities but Brisbane was still a big country town - it has since transformed into Bris Vegas. At the time the venue capacity in each city where the Boys played were:

Sydney Sports Ground - capacity 30,000
Myer Music Bowl Melbourne - capacity 30,000
Festival Hall Brisbane - capacity 4,000

So yes it is quite possible Brisbane had to add extra shows to meet demand because the Festival Hall venue was so small. I'll conract Ian P and see what he has - Ian's a collector so I'm sure he'll have the info at his finger tips.

Also for your info - the Sydney show on Sunday, March 19 at the Sydney Sports Ground was a mess as it poured rain - I mean it poured rain in a biblical sense - "get the Ark!!".

Hi Tony- I went and looked thru my materials- a Full page article in the Sydney paper on March 11 1978 mentioned that Brian caught a flu bug in New Zealand-and only played two full shows of the five Brisbane shows (he only played part of the Saturday Brisbane show that was reviewed in the Sydney papers). So the article states that the group played 5 shows there. Based on the poster I have-which was probably made before their visit-they initially were to play on Mar 3 and 4. If three more shows were added-then they probably played on Mar 5, 6 and 7th as well. This would tie in well-with their next attested apps-in Melbourne on Mar 8 and 9- for which again I have posters.  I know abou the Mar 19 rainy show-I have a review of it from the Sydney papers.

Thanks a lot for the info!  ;D So, the recording of "God Only Knows", and "Good Vibrations" where Carl is REALLY out of it are from the 14th show? I'm still curios, do any more songs exist on tape besides these two songs? The two songs mentioned above usually took place at very different points during Beach Boys concerts. For only these two songs to exist is pretty odd.

Wait a minute. Carl's "apology press conference" was actually broadcast on tv? I hope somebody has a copy.

More than just Mai Tais, unless they started making them with heroin.


They were already performing Lady Lynda by that point, despite LA Light not coming out until the following year? Can someone please confirm?

Confirmed - most definately played Lady Linda. Heard it with my own ears, saw it with my own eyes and its on the Surfin' Down Under boot to prove it!!

Also - and this really has been overlooked for years - this was the tour where, as far as I know, the Good Vibrations hum de dahs version was played live for the first time (at all shows).

... cough, cough ...

... ummm ... this was 1979 ... Fred Flinstone's monkey couldn't chip away at the moving rock quick enough to record it ...

... in other words unless you owned a TV station is Australia in '79 you didn't own a video tape recorder. So check with Rupert Murdoch, he might have a copy gathering dust in the back of an old cupboard!!

That's pretty cool. How did it sound at the show, and how did a (then-) unreleased song go over with the rest of the crowd?

They did it on the CBS 1977 show too. It sounded pretty good then a little less polished.

Mike would give Lady Linda a big introduction - rap on about Bach and how AJ had updated it - by the time the song started the crowd were ready for it. The 78 Tour set list included a couple of obscurities, for example at most shows the Boys played a 4 song set kicking off with Lady Linda, followed by Everyones In Love With You, All This Is That and then Country Pie - everyone of those tracks would have been unknown to the Endless Summer fans who made up the majority of the crowd.

The newer material was well received, I can vividly remember how All This Is That went over big time with the Sydney crowds.

That is so freaking cool...

They already did the hum de dah's in Seattle, December 1977.

"Lady Lynda" from Melbourne is on YouTube BTW.

What about that other concert that was discovered about a year ago? Someone who works for a Australian TV station posted about it on BeachBoysBritain. Was that for real?

Yes, I realised after I had posted my message that the chances of a copy surviving are very slim. Maybe somebody was lucky enough to get a low quality clip on 8mm taped in front of the tv set.

Really? I used to have that show too. Guessed I missed out on it.  ;D

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say much, but there is at least one other Austrailian 1978 show on film. About 60 minutes of the show was taped.

There are two main differences between the 1977/78 Lady Lynda performances, and the album and 1980+ performances. On the early performances, the Bach intro was much longer. The whole "pattern" was played on piano about three times, if I recall correctly. The other thing is that on the early performances, the ending was played with the full band. By 1980 they were doing an acapella ending.

Okay, confusion now - the Melbourne March 9th show which was taped and aired on May 10th is the 60 minute show - see this link: http://www.giginjapan.com/scan128/beach-boys-78melbourne.htm

I am not aware of any full show video - if their is another out there I'd love to see it. 

There is a video on youtube of the Beach Boys doing Surfer Girl in 1978 in Australia. What struck me is how Dennis and Brian seemed fairly sobre while Carl was pretty drunk/stoned.  Carl begins to talk about POB and how he got himself a copy. Dennis said that Carl got it for free. Carl says thats BS! Dennis then pulls a Mike (acts offended-I know he probably wasn't). Carl then appologizes for swearing on tv. Then looks to his left and tells somebody to shut up.

This is all by memory, but I found this to be kind of humorous and sad at the same time.

I have heard that by this time, all three Wilson brothers were not doing very well. But from what I can tell on this video, Dennis and Brian seem fairly sobre. Any thoughts?

It is that same Melbourne show and demonstrates that Carl was having problems on that tour and that these problems reached a climax in Perth- but that he was in bad shape the previous week as well. Gaines "Heroes and Villains" while full of sensationalism and gossip-seems to have told a pretty accurate account of this tour.  Who can forget the famous story in Gaines of Carl being punched out by Rocky Pamplin at a backstage meeting with Sir David Frost

Ya after Surfer Girl at that show, Al had walked over to take his normal bow with Carl and Dennis. Carl takes a bow and and basically almost falls over. Dennis and Al have to pull him up .  I think I remember hearing  that punching incident upset Al quite a bit and he didn't have much use for the Love brothers and Rocky after that.

That is interesting. But I thought he didn't switch factions til a few years later. I'm sure it was somewhat gradual, though.

My question to Rocky and the Love brothers is, what good does it do to punch a drunk person? Wouldn't it be better to tell him to be sobre or he can't go on stage? Same thing with Dennis Wilson.

Did they ever punch Brian?

The one I mentioned is not circulating. I was told that the one that is not circulating is from Brisbane. It's a completely different film than the one you just mentioned.

I remember seeing that on YouTube. It sounds like Carl says "Aw, shut up Bill".

Dennis is looks wise past his prime but he is fairly with it at this show. Last time you see him that way really. Brian doesn't seem ok to me. His stare is vacant during his solo Surfer Girl he's putting on weight and he sits down on stage. Maybe better then he would be in 81-82 but not healthy.

I always thought that Dennis looked great at this concert.  :lol

I believe the Christchurch NZ show was filmed and broadcast at a later date on TV but I am unable to locate any info.

It sounds like we need to get AGD or Ian on this.  ;)

Perhaps for the era but if you go back to even the 15 Big Ones special he looks far better. That's just me though as I think he looked pretty rough from 1977 on except for a brief period in 77 when he was clean shaven. I think even by the Love You photo session he was looking like something was wrong.  I have never seen a good picture of him from 1979 on at all Again this is all my peception.

Yes- the New Zealand show was filmed and aired on TV. Since nobody in New Zealand had a VCR in 1978 the TV studio had the only copy of the show.  A fan happened to visit the TV station about 15 years ago and the tape was still there molding away- but no copy has ever surfaced to my knowledge

Hmmm.. do you know where the TV station is situated Ian? I may have to pay a visit to New Zealand ;)

Is there anything known about the TV broadcast? Was it the full show? Was it supposed to be a "make up" show after the Austrailian disaster?

Jay - if you are reffering to the NZ TV show being some sort of "make up" after the Oz shows then no way. New Zealand and Australia are two seperate countries - the Kiwis couldn't have given a toss if the Boys screwed up the Aussie leg of the tour. FYI the Australia/New Zealand relationship is a bit like the USA/Canada relationaship (they all speak funny!!)

Besides the NZ part of the tour was before Australia.

As has already been stated- BBs arrived in New Zealand by Feb 26 1978. They played on Feb 26 and 28. They were In Australia by Mar 3 and played shows in Brisbane, than Melbourne and Adelaide. Famous shows in Perth were March 14 and 15 1978. Tour ended with shows in Sydney on the 18th and 19th. The BBs then headed to Hawaii for 2 shows.  Full lineup with all 5 original members was there

http://tvnz.co.nz/