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Title: Carl's Grave
Post by: sherryluvsbrian on December 18, 2007, 01:18:37 AM
I seen a photo of Carl's grave, at the bottom it said ( The worlds a far lesser place without you) Is this the real grave of carl wilson and if so, is this where the wilson's are buried, I know dennis was buried at sea but what about murry and audree. It looked like an average cemetery.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 01:37:55 AM
I seen a photo of Carl's grave, at the bottom it said ( The worlds a far lesser place without you) Is this the real grave of carl wilson and if so, is this where the wilson's are buried, I know dennis was buried at sea but what about murry and audree. It looked like an average cemetery.

Carl is buried in Westwood Memorial Park. Other famous internees are James Coburn, Burt Lancaster, Roy Orbison & Minnie Ripperton. Audree is also buried there: Murry has an unmarked grave in Inglewood Park Cemetary.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: sherryluvsbrian on December 18, 2007, 02:02:06 AM
I seen a photo of Carl's grave, at the bottom it said ( The worlds a far lesser place without you) Is this the real grave of carl wilson and if so, is this where the wilson's are buried, I know dennis was buried at sea but what about murry and audree. It looked like an average cemetery.

Carl is buried in Westwood Memorial Park. Other famous internees are James Coburn, Burt Lancaster, Roy Orbison & Minnie Ripperton. Audree is also buried there: Murry has an unmarked grave in Inglewood Park Cemetary.



I wonder why murry's grave is unmarked, no stone at all or just a blank one.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 02:09:15 AM
Unmarked means just that - no marker, no stone. Just a plot.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Boiled Egg on December 18, 2007, 04:29:06 AM
that's a grim state of affairs.  any idea, agd, whether anything is implied by the lack of identifying factors on murry's resting place?  (if it's sour grapes, they're particularly sour...)

ps - minnie riperton?  dead?  where have i been?


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: c-man on December 18, 2007, 05:12:41 AM
that's a grim state of affairs.  any idea, agd, whether anything is implied by the lack of identifying factors on murry's resting place?  (if it's sour grapes, they're particularly sour...)

ps - minnie riperton?  dead?  where have i been?

Minnie Riperton, sadly, has been dead since 1979.  Her other-wordly performance of "Loving You" is truly one of the greatest recorded vocals ever!  She is eternal.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: The Shift on December 18, 2007, 05:29:03 AM
that's a grim state of affairs.  any idea, agd, whether anything is implied by the lack of identifying factors on murry's resting place?  (if it's sour grapes, they're particularly sour...)

ps - minnie riperton?  dead?  where have i been?

Know what you're getting at but not everyone marks their final resting plot - Quaker graves are unmarked for example. Not that I'm thinking Murray was a Quaker, just that sour grapes ain't necessarily the reason for not marking his plot spot.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 18, 2007, 05:47:59 AM
Westwood Memorial is possibly the most sought-after final resting place in LA - check out this map:

http://www.seeing-stars.com/Maps/PierceBrosMap.shtml (http://www.seeing-stars.com/Maps/PierceBrosMap.shtml)


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: donald on December 18, 2007, 06:27:23 AM
Carl looks to be near Dean Martin.  Coincidence?

Also, Lemmon near Mathau.

And some I didn't know were gone.


Also..............a mere 2 months before the 10th aniversary of Carl's passing.       Seems like a couple of years to me.  Where does the time go?


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: pixletwin on December 18, 2007, 09:21:08 AM
I would assume it is unmarked to prevent it being a point of graffiti on the cemetery grounds.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: 8o8o on December 18, 2007, 09:58:12 AM
Carl's grave is next to that of Minnie Riperton.

Two angelic voices.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: 49ersphil on December 18, 2007, 08:58:53 PM

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Minnie Riperton, sadly, has been dead since 1979.  Her other-wordly performance of "Loving You" is truly one of the greatest recorded vocals ever!  She is eternal.
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Check out "Inside my Love" if you;ve not heard it already  8)


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: sherryluvsbrian on December 21, 2007, 12:45:03 AM
I wonder if Brian or his family visit carl's grave.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: harrisonjon on July 12, 2015, 02:30:06 PM
These are the "find-a-grave" entries for:

Carl:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=2491

Murry:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=6005911&ref=acom

Audree:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=5450

William C Wilson

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=62676509

Emily Glee Wilson Love:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=109759833

Confession:  I spent 10 minutes trying to find Dennis's grave on the site before the penny dropped

 :-[


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: sea of tunes on July 12, 2015, 02:44:36 PM
that's a grim state of affairs.  any idea, agd, whether anything is implied by the lack of identifying factors on murry's resting place?  (if it's sour grapes, they're particularly sour...)

ps - minnie riperton?  dead?  where have i been?

Minnie Riperton, sadly, has been dead since 1979.  Her other-wordly performance of "Loving You" is truly one of the greatest recorded vocals ever!  She is eternal.

I was blown away a few years ago when I realized that Maya Rudolph was Minnie Riperton's daughter.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: the professor on July 13, 2015, 04:42:34 AM

 Oh heavens, as Andrew indicated, it is not an average cemetery but rather one of the most extraordinary in all of California . among the others buried there are Mel Torme, Buddy Rich, and Marilyn Monroe, and Natalie Wood and Peggy Lee. it is an extraordinary place and an amazing one to visit. Jim Backus is there and so is Frank Zappa in unmarked grave. I hope all these messages clarify for our board member here that Carl is buried in one of the most historical and amazing places in all of the world among some of the most famous figures and entertainment history. I'm sure that between Andrew and me we have left out many many others.






een a photo of Carl's grave, at the bottom it said ( The worlds a far lesser place without you) Is this the real grave of carl wilson and if so, is this where the wilson's are buried, I know dennis was buried at sea but what about murry and audree. It looked like an average cemetery.
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Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: harrisonjon on July 13, 2015, 06:16:31 AM
My links above show where Murry and Audree are located.

The link for Carl's grave shows how close it is to Minnie's. There's a kind of poetic grace to it: two angelic voices.

Extra info: Alan Boyd informed me by PM in 1998 that all the surviving Beach Boys were at Audree's funeral, so that might be when Carl was last present in the same place as the other 4 before his death.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 13, 2015, 07:43:44 AM
The Wikipedia entry includes an up to date list of the famous and formerly famous interred there:

Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westwood_Village_Memorial_Park_Cemetery#W)

Extra info: Alan Boyd informed me by PM in 1998 that all the surviving Beach Boys were at Audree's funeral, so that might be when Carl was last present in the same place as the other 4 before his death.

Given the funeral was very likely early/mid December 1997, that's a near certainty. Brian last saw Carl when they both watched the 1998 Super Bowl at Jimmy Guercio's house, January 25th. He died nine days later.



Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: KDS on July 13, 2015, 08:02:54 AM
The Wikipedia entry includes an up to date list of the famous and formerly famous interred there:

Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westwood_Village_Memorial_Park_Cemetery#W)

Extra info: Alan Boyd informed me by PM in 1998 that all the surviving Beach Boys were at Audree's funeral, so that might be when Carl was last present in the same place as the other 4 before his death.

Given the funeral was very likely early/mid December 1997, that's a near certainty. Brian last saw Carl when they both watched the 1998 Super Bowl at Jimmy Guercio's house, January 25th. He died nine days later.



Didn't The Beach Boys play the pregame of that Super Bowl?  If so, what was the lineup?  Mike, Bruce, David, and Al?


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 13, 2015, 08:16:20 AM
The Wikipedia entry includes an up to date list of the famous and formerly famous interred there:

Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westwood_Village_Memorial_Park_Cemetery#W)

Extra info: Alan Boyd informed me by PM in 1998 that all the surviving Beach Boys were at Audree's funeral, so that might be when Carl was last present in the same place as the other 4 before his death.

Given the funeral was very likely early/mid December 1997, that's a near certainty. Brian last saw Carl when they both watched the 1998 Super Bowl at Jimmy Guercio's house, January 25th. He died nine days later.



Didn't The Beach Boys play the pregame of that Super Bowl?  If so, what was the lineup?  Mike, Bruce, David, and Al?

Not... exactly. Footnote from the page for the 1998 concerts & sessions, from the utterly outstanding Bellagio 10452 website:

"Although generally regarded as the first time the phrase "America's Band" was used in relation to a quasi-beach Boys line-up, the official billing of the band for this show was (deep breath) "A Tribute To The Beach Boys Featuring Mike Love, Bruce Johnston, David Marks, Glen Campbell, Dean Torrance, and John Stamos". Reportedly, the first Alan knew of this was when he saw it on the Super Bowl broadcast. Twilight Zone time:not only did Alan watch the game, but so did Brian & Carl, when the former was visiting the latter. It was the last time Brian saw his brother alive."

Dear lord, I've just realised that Christmas Eve next year, 10452 will be fifteen years old. My boy done grew up.  ;D


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: KDS on July 13, 2015, 08:24:29 AM
Andrew,

Thanks for the info.  

Now that you mention it, I do remember hearing the story of Al watching the game, but I didn't realize that the act wasn't billed as "The Beach Boys."  


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: J.G. Dev on July 13, 2015, 09:03:57 AM
I've visited this cemetery with the specific reason on paying respects to Carl but as many have said there are A LOT of stars buried there and you can spend quite a bit of time there. If I recall correctly, I had a very hard time finding the place even with a GPS as it's literally sandwiched between office buildings and a neighborhood. While not a pleasant thought, with his mother and brother buried there, I wonder if Brian has plans for this to also be his final resting place as well.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Gee on July 13, 2015, 10:08:16 AM
These are the "find-a-grave" entries for:

Etc.


Find a graaaaaaaaave, find a graaaaaaaaave, in the sun-sun-summetimeeee


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: chaki on July 13, 2015, 11:56:47 AM
Westwood Memorial is possibly the most sought-after final resting place in LA - check out this map:

http://www.seeing-stars.com/Maps/PierceBrosMap.shtml (http://www.seeing-stars.com/Maps/PierceBrosMap.shtml)

Hollywood Forever and Burbank Forrest Lawn are much more sought after.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: stack-o-tracks on July 13, 2015, 10:50:15 PM

I hope all these messages clarify for our board member here that Carl is buried in one of the most historical and amazing places in all of the world among some of the most famous figures and entertainment history. I'm sure that between Andrew and me we have left out many many others.

Eh, it's amazing historically, but visually, it's an average-slightly-below-average cemetery.


There's this one cemetery in the foothills of my old town that's full of turn of the century and older graves of people who built this town, and the setting is simply AMAZING for a cemetery.


The cemetery where Carl Wilson is buried is pretty unspectacular in a visual sense, especially when you factor in the fact that a lot of people buried there should have tons of money to waste on extravagant graves in a breathtaking location.....




here's a vid of Carl Wilson's grave, probably taken by a current or former SmileySmile.net board member: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAywCht7k1U
Here


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Alex on July 13, 2015, 11:18:19 PM
Apparently Brian, Carl, and Dennis' Great-great-great grandfather Henry Wilson was born about 45 minutes from my hometown.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=63735212


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: halblaineisgood on July 14, 2015, 02:54:28 AM
I forgot that I was gonna never post again 'cause I liked the post count of '2020' .  


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 14, 2015, 11:24:28 PM
Apparently Brian, Carl, and Dennis' Great-great-great grandfather Henry Wilson was born about 45 minutes from my hometown.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=63735212

A seriously distant ancestor of Brian's was killed at the Battle of Flodden in 1513.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: BriansBack on September 16, 2015, 08:18:55 PM
Visited the park earlier this summer and was really blown away with all the big names. Don Knotts had a great plaque with a beautifully etched plaque with all his famous characters portrayed. Rodney Dangerfield was prominent and can just picture him picking this spot as one last up yours to all those that stood in his way they out his zany life.

Carl's grave is positioned in he back left corner, under the shade of a beautiful tree. Very peaceful vibes at this place, I must say.



Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: J.G. Dev on September 17, 2015, 03:59:50 AM
Visited the park earlier this summer and was really blown away with all the big names. Don Knotts had a great plaque with a beautifully etched plaque with all his famous characters portrayed. Rodney Dangerfield was prominent and can just picture him picking this spot as one last up yours to all those that stood in his way they out his zany life.

Carl's grave is positioned in he back left corner, under the shade of a beautiful tree. Very peaceful vibes at this place, I must say.


The funny thing about Don Knotts stone is that when I visited there about 6 years ago I sought his grave out as I'm a big fan of his. The marker that you describe was not the one on his grave then. It was a very small stone with just his name and dates on it. Very plain for such an accomplished man. It must have been a temporary one as I've seen the one you are talking about in pics and it's very cool. Also, if I remember correctly Rodney Dangerfields stone has an inscription that says "here goes the neighborhood".


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on September 17, 2015, 06:03:25 AM
You can go back several generations of Wilsons to their ancestors who lived in the 1700's on the find a grave site.

Geneology is a hobby of mine so I find this  pretty cool. Ive added some of my relatives to the site over the last few years.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: chaki on September 17, 2015, 09:13:22 AM
(http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_250/MI0002/053/MI0002053477.jpg)


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Jay on September 18, 2015, 01:15:57 AM
The Wikipedia entry includes an up to date list of the famous and formerly famous interred there:

Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westwood_Village_Memorial_Park_Cemetery#W)

Extra info: Alan Boyd informed me by PM in 1998 that all the surviving Beach Boys were at Audree's funeral, so that might be when Carl was last present in the same place as the other 4 before his death.

Given the funeral was very likely early/mid December 1997, that's a near certainty. Brian last saw Carl when they both watched the 1998 Super Bowl at Jimmy Guercio's house, January 25th. He died nine days later.


Do any pictures exist of them at Audree's funeral?


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Juice Brohnston on September 19, 2015, 03:51:33 PM
Slightly off topic, but I assume Carl's estate was in relatively good shaped when he passed?


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Komera on September 23, 2015, 09:23:54 PM
that's a grim state of affairs.  any idea, agd, whether anything is implied by the lack of identifying factors on murry's resting place?  (if it's sour grapes, they're particularly sour...)

ps - minnie riperton?  dead?  where have i been?

Minnie Riperton, sadly, has been dead since 1979.  Her other-wordly performance of "Loving You" is truly one of the greatest recorded vocals ever!  She is eternal.

Who?

(I was one year old for most of 1979.)


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: wilojarston on September 26, 2015, 09:41:17 PM
Not sure Brian would want to be buried there when that day comes.  That cemetary is just blocks away from where Dr. Landy's office was during the late '80s while Brian was working on his first solo album!


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: Junkstar on October 14, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
I just visited Carl's grave a few days ago. Strange as it may seem, I do it whenever I travel to LA. That quote gets me every time too. I get the feeling he was not just deeply talented, but a kind soul as well.


Title: Re: Carl's Grave
Post by: bonnie bella on October 15, 2015, 11:45:49 AM
Seeing this thread was what made me decide to become a member here.  Carl's grave looks like a beautiful spot.

If anybody else goes there, say 'hi' from bonnie.  :)