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What's the deal with this rumour going around about a 5th of may release of POB? I'm assuming it's rubbish. I know I wont believe it until it is physically in my hands. But does anyone know if this rumour has ANY truth to it at all?

I for one hope it's true!

And if it is, I guess we'll hear more about it in a month or two.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but not keeping my hopes TOO high.

This is where the rumors started I believe:
 http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=131131&page=4

It's weird that jon stebbins or AGD didn't show up here or in the Shut Down board to kill the rumours. I think the ball IS rolling, but as many things Beach Boys, this release date is "tentative".

I hope so. I would love to own a copy of POB (legally, that is).  >:D

THIS is an intelligent post.

If I'm not mistaken, May 5, 2008 falls on a Monday.  In the US, new albums are released on Tuesdays.  So, unless the 5/5/08 release date is for the UK (where new albums come out on Mondays) this date is bogus.

If this happens, is it going to be cd only? Or can we get our hands on a vinyl copy as well?

I hope not. Why does all the good stuff only get released in the UK? :p

Yes please do a vinyl with bonus cuts!!!

I think it would be cool to do a  three cd set. Disc one would be "POB", disc two would be "Bamboo"(or a version as complete as possible, ala "Smile"), and disc three would be a mix of POB/Bamboo outtakes.  8)

let's have a "what is complete/incomplete" discussion on Bamboo, much like others like to do with smile (67)...if i'm not mistaken, i'd say more than half the album was done...i'd love if they released that newer version of San Miguel from those sessions

The ball has been rolling for quite a few years... and I concur with Jon - when was the last time any BB product was released as announced ? Though hopefully it won't be another 37 years.

Seriously, when is, to a degree, unimportant: what matters is that it comes out and that the package is worthy of the music. I'm inclined to think JWG will see Dennis right on both counts. Of course, sooner would be better.  :)

As for killing rumors - not my style. I'm a nuts and bolts, facts man.

Thanks for that link. That sort of makes me doubt it more so now. I had just read the rumours on the Shut Down board and the Blue Bamboo board. But now that I have seen where the rumours started and have read through the posts I am not as optimistic anymore (wasn't that optimistic to begin with). I mean these people saying "it will be released on 5th of may, blah blah blah", I mean who are they? I mean I could just start spreading rumours too, "gee guess what everyone a SMiLE box set is to be released containing every second of the SMiLE sessions and Brian Wilson himself has told me"... Besides even when people who do have some credibility (and please correct me if any of these people on that Hoffman board do) say things like "SMiLE is coming out soon", it can never been taken as a 100% guarantee.

Maby these people do know some "insiders" (boy do I hope so) but I highly doubt it.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Well atleast there is a promised date so that we can know exactly when to expect it if it does come out. And of course IF this rumour is true and the date is correct then surely it will be announced officially well beforehand to that date that Pacific Ocean Blue will be coming out.

I know people are saying "I want outtakes and Bamboo tracks etc.." and obviously we all want that (unless you hate POB and Denny's work). But to be honest I would still be happy with just Pacific Ocean Blue. I mean atleast then it would be out there for more people to enjoy (who have heard about it and have never actually heard it) and more people to discover a true masterpiece.

It's been announced as a double CD. Assuming it happens, and that they haven't put each side of the original vinyl release of one CD, I'd say outtakes are very likely, wouldn't you think ?

And should it be released as part of the 'Legacy Edition' (as is rumoured) series, who knows maybe even an additional DVD'll be included.

We'll see what happens.......

That'd be the greatest thing since, well, ever .

Any thoughts on the difficulties of releasing songs recorded by "The Beach Boys" on a Dennis Wilson album?

Is there any other band in the world that has as much good unrealesed material as the Beach Boys? Not only that, but alot of the stuff that they decide to release is a bunch of garbage! 15 Big Ones, MIU, etc...

Insuperable.

So, providing this album does get released as described, the odds of it containing such songs as 4th of July, WIBNTLA, Love Surrounds Me, Baby Blue, basically anything containing Beach Boys vocals... are quite poor.

A double CD?  Great news! Got to have bonus tracks of some kind.

 Let's just wait and see what is being released before we pick it apart.

My hope is that any 'Bamboo' material and other outakes get a 'proper' mix.

Would that require some sort of a Brother Records officer vote to do any tracks besides POB?  That could get a little dicey maybe with Al being the swing vote??

Speaking hypothetically, as "4th" & "(WIBNT)LA" are BB recordings, no way will they be part of the package, any more than "Cuddle Up" or "Make It Good" would be (and besides, they are nothing to do with POB - this isn't a DW box but a reissue of a specific album). As for the other two titles you mentioned, it's entirely possible that the original recordings could be part of the package, as they were part of Dennis' solo sessions.

That, coming from the guy who's addicted to only the hardest, purest evidence, makes me pretty wildly confident!  Who's done and/or helped with the liner notes/tracklisting?
 ;)

Not making any claims to know anything, just cautiously optimistic. Call it a hunch, a gut feeling.

I just listened to POB again today.  I liked it much more this time than I did the first time I heard it.

It's not the most commercial sounding album in the world, but it's definitely a cool, creative, adventurous, interesting album, with a lot of effort and energy in it.

In my humble opinion, with the exception of BRIAN WILSON PRESENTS SMiLE, it's cooler, hipper, and more creative than any of Brian's solo stuff.

I know what you're saying Andrew and I know that IF this does come out as promised then there will be outtakes etc. All I was trying to say in my post was that even IF (note that word if) that idea was scrapped and just the album came out then I wouldn't be complaining because atleast the album would finally be released!! I already own the album on vinyl (which I absolutely love) but I would like a CD copy too.

It DID come out on CD as remastered for a short time. I have the CD as released by Caribou Records. I bought mine in 1989 in a record store in the Poconos on my honeymoon.

Yeah I know it's been released on CD but not for a long time!!

I so hope this happens!! I am feeling more optimistic at the moment, more in hope than anything though.

I know this has been answered before by our experts, but as far as outakes go of POB or Bamboo.  Does Jimmy Guercio have rights to those too or do the Beach Boys have the rights to those??

maybe they're not involved if it is happening.

I believe Jon did chime in already.  His post was 'coyly positive'

(It's weird that jon stebbins or AGD didn't show up here or in the Shut Down board to kill the rumours. I think the ball IS rolling, but as many things Beach Boys, this release date is "tentative".

THIS is an intelligent post.)

Sounds to me that it IS happening but my guess is that Jon is waiting until everything is offical and finalized.

I hope, if it happens, it coinsides with the rerelease of Jon's book on Denny.

The rights issue was settled some years ago - they currently reside with JWG.

Thanks for your help AGD!

I'm wondering what the odds are that the album will be remixed. I know there are fans who feel the original Stephen Moffitt mix was poorly done and I can see their point.

A couple of tracks from that original mix may sound a bit muddy ("Moonshine", "Rainbows", maybe "River Song"), but some of the tracks are just fine IMO...like "Dreamer", "Time", and "You And I".  I suspect a decent remaster would help loads. 

Odds are too big to call. It's 100% certain that the album will be remixed.

[edit]: Duh ! Ifn I had a brain, i'd be dangerous. What I should have said was that any bonus tracks would be remixed (or likely mixed for the first time). Mea culpa. Whatever that means.

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but Legacy has NO current plans to release POB in '08.  This is per a source at Legacy/Sony/BMG. It's only a project that is being "researched on the A+R front."  That's it.  The May 5, 2008 date is pure wishful thinking.  Perhaps another label is going to release it, but I doubt it, if Legacy is still looking into it.

In my opinion, POB will be re-issued, eventually, on some label, but it's going to be awhile.

Interesting.

My understanding is that balls have been rolling for some time, but how far and how fast 'til it reaches the bottom of the hill, and how many places to get caught in between?  That I don't know.

No bubble bursting here. I never believe a release date unless its announced by the label and then its still tentative until its in my hands. But...if your source is saying this is not happening at all...then Your source is either out of the loop or or purposely giving you bad info. I can verify the ball is rolling nicely and if anything the business suits are "trying" to make the ball roll faster. Of course its all speculation regarding release date and even label affiliation...I would think nothing is absolutely set in stone. However, there is no doubt that the actual work of creating a releasable product is well underway...and the bubble has not burst. If it does I'll know immediately...and as of now I don't see that happening.

I wonder what the hell they're waiting for... The sooner the better.

I mean, CD sales are lower every year, the average hardcore BB fanatic isn't getting any younger and the release of BWPS or the BB rooftop reunion, both of which got the BB quite some publicity, would've been perfect occasions to release anything BB related. Anyone with a brain can see that a few years ago would've been better than now and that now will be better than next year or the year after that.

I think my previous message was pretty clear.  Legacy has not set release date, the 5/5/08 release date is false, and Legacy is looking into releasing it.  That's it.  I did not, and do not, make any other claims.  Whether "wheels are in motion" on other fronts is beyong my knowledge; I made no statements in those regards.

As for bursting bubbles, the "bubble" I was referring to was the 5/5/08 release date and the claim that Legacy would be releasing POB.  It was that "announcement" on another message board that seems to have raised the fever level surrounding the release of POB and which began this thread.

How does any of this contradict in any substantial regard what you wrote?  You stated yourself that, "nothing is absolutely set in stone."

In the end, I'll only believe that the re-issue of POB is a fact when I have a copy in my hands.

Anyone with a brain would be aware that a few years ago, the rights hadn't been sorted out, thus making any reissues impossible.  8)

Heed Jon's words. And be patient.

DJ M...I don't want to make you feel defensive by any means. I just want to share the truth with DW's fans as best I can without saying more than I'm allowed at this point. You stated the following three things which I can address with full knowledge. 1)"Legacy has not set release date" -This is true, it would be impossible as the product has not yet been finalized and delivered. I can say that part of the process is entering the home stretch. 2) "the 5/5/08 release date is false" - It would have to be either a projection or false as of today because the product has not been completed and delivered. 3)"Legacy is looking into releasing it" - They were "looking" into it a long time ago...things are in an entirely different phase now. There is an expectation and a deadline. However, as we've both stated...nothing is absolute until the retail version is in our hands. But regarding the POB/Bamboo reissue saga, this is the closest we've ever been by far...and I'm encouraged. And yet there is still some of the hill to climb, no doubt.

It is being remastered?  Has it been remastered?  Or is that confidential info?  I'm also curious as to what would have held up the rights, the label or some other parties involved. 

Jon can give you the chapter & verse on this but, essentially, dennis recorded in such a fashion that no-one seemed clear as to who held the rights for the material as regards a reissue. BRI said they did... Sony said they did... I think Dennis' estate put in a claim... and I'm pretty sure that JWG thought he held the rights as former boss of Caribou. Now you can see why it took literally years to sort out (with some impressive horse trading thrown in for good measure).

I actually find it amusing that the chaos surrounding Dennis lives on 24 years after his death!

Sounds good to me.  I've got my fingers crossed!

So would Dennis, I'd think!

Is that one slice of humble pie or two, sir ?  ::)

never mind

Three to start, please; I've got a big appetite.

What can I say?  I just passed on the info I was given by someone who works in the PR dept. of the label.  Perhaps I read too much into what little I was told, and my statement was too emphatic in its pessimism.  But, hey, when I'm wrong, I'll admit it, as I am here.

In my defense, I will say that I was right that the May 5, 2008 release date was false.  (yes, that's a VERY minor point considering the "official" release date is now May 13, 2008.)  And I did temper my position in a later post in reply to Jon Stebbins. 

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,4832.msg79297.html#msg79297

Also, for what it's worth, I believe I was the 1st one to post the full press release from the label, which, by the way, I got from the same person who told me that POB was just being "researched on the A+R front."

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5001.msg80894.html#msg80894

On this one, I'm happy to be wrong b/c it means that we're all going to get POB/Bambu sooner, rather than later!

Amen to that. Can't wait!!!

Looking at the likely May date, I'm gobsmacked - great BBs product is only ever released when I'm about as far away from civilisation as I can get. BWpSMiLE (and GIOMH come to that) came out when I was half-way across California in a tent; this time I'll be half-way across Scotland. also in a tent.

I keep telling you, you guys should PAY me to go away. How about I make plans for the Sierra High Route, and you start speculating on a SMiLE 66/67 box?

PM me for details of where to send the cheques!!!!

Dear Wee Helper - I have a ticket for a 12 month stay in Antarctica just waiting for you!

Okay guys - It looks like we have found a way to get that SMiLE Box Set we have always craved!!

I think the Green Bay Packers franchise is run by the fans. I wish their was someway the fans could own the Beach Boys music through stock! Then we could release whatever we wanted.

As if there's any less of a fractured, dysfunctional relationship within the fan community than the band... In 15 years, instead of everyone wondering why Carl sided with Mike on whatever, it would be a matter of why AGD sided with Surfer Girl. And everyone would still bitch, just like they do now.

Yeah...it's called "human nature", and it's unavoidable.