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I'm not sure if you guys have seen this, but I just stumbled across this on youtube tonight.  Its silent footage of a 1963 show featuring both Al and David Marks on stage... evidently this is one of those early shows where Brian was not present.  Any ideas on who the female singer might be?  Interesting stuff!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgGKC3xYFYk

That's pretty cool stuff!  Not sure who the female singer is...could it be Ginger Blake?  It's too blurry to tell.

Jackie De Shannon.

Some of this was in American band, right?

If that from 63 then why do I see a copy of the Hard Day's Night soundtrack?  :-D

"If that from 63 then why do I see a copy of the Hard Day's Night soundtrack?"


My thoughts exactly.  I guess maybe the "in the house" footage at the end of the film was shot months after the concert?  I wonder if that's Murry's living room.   ;D

That video has been floating around for years.. there is much more..Mostly some weird funny stuff of David goofin around

These are David's home movies taken over a period around '63 - '64 - beginning with the Beach Boys and ending with the Marksmen.  The records and rig are his...laid out in his parent's living room.  David's father, Elmer Marks, was the band's first road manager for their shows outside of California and he shot the footage from Hawaii.

I forgot to add how cool I think it is to see footage available on YouTube of David and Al on stage together in 1963, 1995, 1997 and 2007.  For two guys often portrayed as each other's replacements, there seems to be a decent amount of video of them ontstage together.

Wow, thanks for the info!  I'm really glad I found this footage last night, as I had no idea it even existed.

This has me wondering what a 1963 gig with David and Al minus Brian would have sounded like. If only silent films weren't silent.   ;D

Mrs. Marks, thank you for sharing that info with us. And may I say I find it very positive to hear from you you're actually happy to see that footage on YouTube, a media that lately has had a lot of criticism because of copyright-issues. I would very well understand if you (and/or David) weren't happy with personal material like this floating around publically.

Btw, I read about footage of David and Al together live with the BB in "The Lost Beach Boy" (I'm not much of a reader, but I finished that book in a week!). And I admit I hadn't expect these to be circulating. Makes me curious how that happened...or are these specific recordings made by someone else and different from what's mentioned in the book?

Cool!  1995?  I think that's the only one I haven't seen.  Does anyone have a link to that?

Smile-Holland,

Well, don’t put me in with the “cool with copyright infringement” crowd just yet…its actually something I take VERY seriously, both as a Libra who hates to sit back and witness something that isn’t ‘right’ AND as someone who’s family has felt the financial affects of the shift from a culture that pays for music to one that feels entitled to steal it. 

I figure since the video is out there anyway, I’d rather everyone be able to see it on YouTube from a link from David’s website than have some random person making a profit off selling illegal copies.  I try to avoid getting riled up if possible and since I was planning on uploading the footage anyway, I will focus on the positive -  that this person saved me some time, rather than the fact they had no right to take a copy of someone’s home movies and make them public. So, I’m going to restrain myself from going into lecture-mode on how bad stealing intellectual property is…but maybe in another thread if someone wants to start one.

To get to your questions:  Yes, this is the same video that is mentioned in the book.  In the foreword, Darian talks about hearing the Marksmen for the first time set as backgrounds to these videos and I think Jon mentions them, too.   David sold the reels to the same guy who is currently auctioning off his Pendelton as being Brian’s on Ebay for $55,000.  Bootleg copies have been floating around for about 20 years....its not that rare among collectors.

Eric,

The Baywatch footage is from 1995. 

Thanks for answering my questions!



And you're completely right on that. In that case it's even more admirable that you accept the situation as it is and can turn it to a positive thing. I do hope that it will help ending some myths on the Al replaces David story. And I also hope one day this footage gets the proper official release it deserves...I'll be the first to order it!!

How can you let someone commit such horrible fraud like that? You should report him to eBay.

Oh!  OK, thanks...I saw that when it first aired.  I forgot that both Dave and Al were present.

The heading is deceptive but the fine print in the listing is accurate so there's nothing I can really do about it.  No one shirt belonged to one guy...they each had one but didn't keep track of which one was theirs by putting names on them or anything like that. The seller is claiming there is evidence of Brian and Mike wearing this particular Pendelton based on plaid patterns in photos.  Even if you can ignore the fact it was David's shirt that he had hanging in a closet for 25 years until he sold it to this guy, where it starts getting sleazy is...if Brian and Mike each wore it once, why is it Brian's and not Mike's. 

However, I think anyone willing to drop that kinda cash on memorabilia is going to read the entire listing so I don't think they'll be surprised when their certificate of authenticity is an old album cover and proof it belonged to David Marks. 

Cause if ya say it was Mike"s the price would go down.. It belonging to David or Brian + hangin in a closet for ever..Now theres a colectors item..!!!

A collector's item, certainly...but will it fetch 55,000 clams?  I doubt it...

Anyone notice that Mike's stage routine is about the same.  I bet he uses the same jokes! ;D

Glad to see you active on the board again Carrie!!  Care to comment on whether or not David's vocals appear anywhere on the new album?   Can't seem to get a definitive answer anywhere....

Regards and hope you're havin fun with the big reunion!!!!  Tell Dave we love him and we'll see him this Saturday night in Phoenix!!!

I can tell you that the real crime here is the fact that the owner of the film chose to have it transfered to video by an amatuer. I've transferred over a million feet of 8mm, super 8 and 16mm film over the last 25 years and I don't mind saying that this You Tube Beach Boys footage is completely shoddy and obviously done by a novice or someone in their kitchen. For shame.

And the rest of you better get hip. The same people who are orchestrating what Carrie refers to as 'the shift from a culture that pays for music to one that feels entitled to steal it.'..you can bet it's the same 'social justice' people that are rapidly shifting our culture from producers to consumers - from givers to takers.

As if there is some grand sinister plan.

this thread is from 2007.

Drats!  Wish somebody would answer up on the subject...

ha ha!, yeah. 
I liked the film in that it showed al playing bass

I saw some old footage at a Beach Boys fan convention in the 80's and haven't seen it since. David was dressed up in Army fatigues or whatever it was and jumping over the sofa in the living room.  Think he had a gun or guitar in his hands. There was some other stuff on the film (maybe the rare footage on YouTube) but I've never seen this particular footage on YouTube. Jon knows what I'm talking about.

Good memory Mikie.  Those films were shown at the 1985   BB convention in Oakland.  Amazing then and still amazing now.

Thanks to you for organizing those conventions, Les.   We heard and saw some great stuff back then.

Carrie Marks,
I hope you will permit me to throw my voice in with many of  our colleagues here who so cherish David's work and every aspect of his historical contribution to the BB, which evolves as each new day passes.  As you can see in our postings, for many of us Davis IS the reunion.  After years and years of dreaming that "one day" I might see him on stage with the BB, I can now say I have done so three times.  I listen (we all do) to the album over and over trying to discern and cherish each of his rhythm parts and that unique crisp sound that drives many of the new songs, including very prominently the title track.  (We are sure he is singing too, however un-credited. . . . .).

I am sure David knows it: he has countless adoring fans who respect him as a person and as an artist and will follow his work loyally. If the boys do another album, we have all been insisting on some rockers, with David leading the way as no other man, save his dear friend Carl, could do. I offer my respect and thanks to you and your family.

The Professor

What's even weird about this is I ran into an old acquaintance of mine last week and our conversation drifted to the Beach Boys.  During the conversation, he himself claimed to be the legal owner of Dave's old home movies, and that they were being used without HIS permission....

I never understood people who buy the life photos and films of total strangers.  For example, when I read the Steven Gaines' book on the Beach Boys, it's full of personal family and high school photos that were used "by permission" from some guy who turned out to be just a fan who had bought the photos for himself years before, which made him entitled to have the rights on them.  Even though he was absolutely no relation to the Beach Boys, not a friend, etc.  I just find it pretty, well, weird to be that obsessed with entertainers that you'd buy and own things so personal, no matter how much you were able to afford them.  There's something a little strange about a system that lets you "own" pieces of another person's personal life that others have to ask your permission to use them.

I wouldn't call it grand.  :-\ But it is fairly sinister.

Unless your old acquaintance is Elmer Marks (David's dead father) then i doubt he has any legal standing regarding the footage. As you know, my buddy Lance Robison had the original multi-track to "Don't Worry Baby" in his possession since 1966. The Beach Boys discarded them, someone recovered them, and Lance bought them for 15 bucks in 1966.  Everyone seemed to agree that Lance owned those physical tapes...but no one would ever think that he owned the material that was on them.  Even though he owned the physical source, he did not own the recordings on them...of course. David may have lost possession of the master reel of the footage that he and his dad shot in 1963 and 1964, but the rights to releasing and distributing the material that's on them would legally remain with David and his family. That's a no brainer.

You're talking about Peter Reum, who is a regular poster on this board and a great guy who collected an important BB's archive that fans and historians have enjoyed and learned from for years. He would always respect the family's claims on anything I'm sure.

Well, it's good to know he had the approval of the family.  I just find it a little odd, but there are fans of many bands that get into bidding wars for things like old high school yearbooks and personal memorabilia.  I just wish I'd gone to school or knew someone who got famous so that I could sell my old yearbooks or photos to their fans.

So then it would be OK for theses people to buy the stuff, as long as you made $$?  
Different strokes for different folks,  I say.  Myself, I think it's cool to collect this "stuff" and have no problem with anyone else doing it.
Wish I'd  had Peter's collection. Brian's bowling shoes!! 

Note I just said what was claimed.  I didn't take any position as to the veracity of the claim.

it's a concert video...