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Anybody heard of this?  Supposed a 9-disk set of SMILE stuff called "A Big Bag of Vegetables"...download-only, so I hear, don't know from where though.

Does anyone have this, and if so, is there anything "new" to our ears on it?

Thanks in advance!

I've never heard of it. The closest things to this I've heard of are UM 17, a 5 disc set, and ProjectSMiLE, a CD-ROM/torrent download that has tracks compiled from many different bootlegs, and has tons of writings on smile, and a session timeline with info on who played on what session, etc.
PM me if you want the project smile site.

BTW, I hope this isn't just a new rumor/hoax, like "Remember the Zoo" was.

I recieved this from a friend a month ago.Very much like the SOT discs,but more material!Nothing earth shaking,however for the collector essential.

There is another set which is called the Complete Smile Sessions which includes color session photos and a nicely sequenced set of 12 discs with audio quality as good as could be located. Again no surprises, but a collector's essential. In many cases speed correction has been made, and the whole thing follows a linear flow which has not been seen since SOT. Extremely hard to find.

I received something similar to this, but it was 12 discs.

It had all the sessions from the Smile era. Very similar to the SOTs and Project Smile, but had some pictures and stuff.

Would it be o.k. to post artwork and track list?
Or is that against forum rules?

I was told about "Big Bag..." a few years back by a serious BBs collector, after a BW SMiLE gig in Londres.   He told me that it was put together and circulated privately by a bunch of hardcore fans who each had different material in their collections, to gather it all in one place and share among each other.

I haven't got a copy and I haven't heard it... but I'd love to get me 'ands on the stuff that must be therein.

Haven't heard of the 12-disc set but it seems a logical evolution of "Big Bag..." I guess.

If posting a tracklist is out of order I guess PM-ing wouldn't be!

There exist three Beach Boys bootlegs which gather up the materials on Big Bag Of Vegetables that are not circulating on other bootlegs - these bootlegs circulated far and wide, and got the creators a nice cease and desist order tossed at them by the PTB.

Said bootlegs are "Heroes and Villains Sessions Part II", "Secret Smile" and "Psychedelic Sounds".

The first is just an hour of Heroes sessions (obviously). The second is two CDs with a grab bag of material. The third is a two-disc compilation of all spoken word recordings made during the Smile sessions, the entire first disc was on Big Bag Of Vegetables - it was the legendary "Psychedelic Sounds" party reel (coincidentally, three recordings on the second disc of this bootleg were traded among the truly hardcore, they were the famous "taxi cab recordings", the "basketball game recording" and "Bob Gordon's Real Trip").

By and large 99.5% of the material mentioned in this thread and in my post is on the Project Smile CD-ROM set. One exception - on Big Bag Of Vegetables there is an excerpt of a Mrs. O'Leary's Cow session, featuring takes 6-10. Take 6 is part of SOT 17, but takes 7-10 are unheard previously. Must have been an oversight on the part of the compilers of Project Smile. As far as it's known, it's the only unbooted circulating Smile session.

Thanks for that information, Jason.


http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,122.0.html
Reading the rules/guidelines and specifically (2), I'd conclude that sharing information on tracklists can be seen as "talking about bootlegs", which is OK. Just beware for bootleg-requests or offers...

..a trusted source shared this in another forum:

"..it was a 9CD set expanded to 10CD's, i'd
say approx 40-50% is available on other bootlegs, maybe less. A 12CD
set is rumour, if 2 more CD's have been added, it did'nt come from
the same source(s) as the original 10CD set..."


BBoV with 50 to 60% of SMiLE material which has never been released, either legally or boot, would be a goldmine--but apparently it is still only available to the higher level of collectors...

Besides Secret Smile and Psychedelic sounds there was a "Sea of Tunes source tape" bootleg which apparently duplicated a disc of BBOV and included the extra Fire outtakes and several false starts/pretake chatter/take slates not on the Sea of Tunes discs. 

Interesting. Never heard of the set but I've heard of the three that Jason talked about.

Secret Smile is probably the best one. Highlights of it include three "Tones" sessions, the backing track to the Harpsichord version of Wonderful, and a stereo version of I Love to Say Da-Da. The last two are in poor quality though.

I do know about SS, PS and the SOT Source.  I was really excited about the Tones tracks when I first heard Secret Smile.

I am hoping to see a track list from BBOV when our friend can break away from some personal business and post it.  The statement that about half the material  having  never been released blew me away. 

It may be a tired old subject, but it causes one to wonder if the rumored Durrie Parks acetates were finally copied...

What's rumored to be on those acetates anyway?

One gets the impression that they are like the Holy Grail. Something to dream of and quest for yet never really know if they exist or existed.

Perhaps one of the high-level BB experts can fill in those gaps.  But any new thing from SMiLE which hadn't been released yet causes me to wonder if that wasn't one of the sources...

Well, the holy grail notion comes from the fact that Brian apparently gave his friends and collaborators working acetates around Christmas 1966. That Durrie Parks might have what was given to Van Dyke makes it so alluring, as he, of all people, would have likely had the most complete version of the material as it stood up to December 1966. The hope being that maybe some vocals for "CITFOTM," the verses of "DYLW" and perhaps a "Barnyard"/"Great Shape" mix of "H&V." But that's all wishful thinking, at this point. Though one that is very much in the realm of possibility.

The only other major things missing, were that to be the case, would be the middle section of "SU," recorded (possibly) in january 1967, and then the other "Elements," whatever they may have been. Regardless, the former Mrs. Van Dyke Parks is holding something that should not be tossed aside as irrelevant, nor sitting around waiting for time to do its natural wear & tear.

Track List Confirmed from 12 CD "The Smile Sessions"

Disc 1:
1. H&V Verse (studio setup - oscillator query)
2. H&V verse (rehearsal)
3. H&V verse (take 1)
4. H&V verse (takes 2 & 3)
5. H&V verse (take 4)
6. H&V verse (instrumental stereo)
7. H&V verse (instrumental mono mix)
8. H&V verse (backing vocal overdub)
9. H&V verse (acetate Feb 10 1967 lead vox)
10. H&V verse (1st vocal overdub)
11. H&V verse (2nd vocal overdub)
12. H&V verse (3rd vocal overdub)
13. H&V verse (4th vocal overdub)
14. H&V verse (5th vocal overdub)
15. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 1)
16. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 2)
17. H&V verse (Mix session)
18. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 3)
19. H&V verse (test edit 1)
20. H&V verse (test edit 2)
21. H&V In the Cantina (session part 1)
22. H&V In the Cantina (session part 2)
23. H&V In the Cantina (session part 3)
24. H&V In the Cantina (take 4)
25. H&V In the Cantina (voc overdub mono)
26. H&V In the Cantina (voc overdub mono with laughs)
27. H&V In the Cantina (stereo)
28. H&V Soul Made Beautiful (session)
29. H&V Sunny Down Snuff (backing vox session)
30. H&V Sunny Down Snuff
31. H&V Sunny Down Snuff (stereo)
32. H&V Hold On (take 9 piano track)
33. H&V Gee (session)
34. H&V Gee (mix session)
35. H&V Part 2 variations
36. H&V Part 2 variations (stereo)
37. H&V Part 2 variations
38. H&V Part 2 variations (stereo)
39. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (session part 1)
40. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (session part 2)
41. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (final stereo)
42. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (final mono)
43. H&V Do alot
44. H&V Tag (takes 1 & 2)
45. H&V Tag (takes 4 - 8)
46. H&V Tag (takes 14 & 15)
47. H&V Tag (vox reverb fx mono mix)
48. H&V Tag (alternate vox)
49. H&V Tag (vox stereo mix)

Disc 2:
1. H&V Intro  (alt version)
2. H&V Tag to Part 1
3. H&V Tag to Part 1
4. H&V Tag to Part 1
5. H&V Bag of Tricks
6. H&V Bag of Tricks
7. H&V Piano rehearsals
8. H&V Piano sections
9. H&V Chorus (Baldwin organ vers)
10. H&V Fade re-record (session)
11. H&V Fade re-record (take 5)
12. H&V Intro (sessions)
13. H&V Intro (piano scale vers)
14. H&V Intro (without overdubs)
15. H&V Intro (with overdubs)
16. H&V Intro (with overdubs)
17. H&V Intro (stereo mix)
18. H&V Intro (fuzz guitar overdub stereo mix)
19. H&V Intro mono mix
20. H&V dum dum dum (session part 1)
21. H&V dum dum dum (session part 2)
22. H&V dum dum dum (session good take)
23. H&V dum dum dum (completed take)
24. H&V My Children (session version 1)
25. H&V My Children (no piano version 1)
26. H&V My Children (completed track vers 1)
27. H&V Bridge to Indians (session)
28. H&V Prelude to Fade (session part 1)
29. H&V Prelude to Fade (session part 2)
30. H&V Prelude to Fade (completed track)
31. H&V Piano demo for Humble Harv (4.11.66)
32. H&V Tag to part 1 (vers 2)
33. H&V My Children (vers 2 boys and girls vox)
34. H&V My Children (stereo mix)
35. H&V (16.2.67 mix)
36. H&V (July 45 mix)
37. H&V (45 Stereo mix)

more to come....

Disc 3:
1. Bicycle Rider (take 14)
2. Bicycle Rider (tage section)
3. Bicycle Rider (1st vox overdub)
4. Bicycle Rider (2nd vox overdub)
5. Bicycle Rider (3rd vox overdub)
6. Bicycle Rider (acetate extra vox)
7. Bicycle Rider (extra vox stereo)
8. DYLW (Part 1. takes 34 & 24)
9. DYLW (part 1, 1st vox overdub)
10. DYLW (part 1, 2nd vox overdub)
11. DYLW (part 2 rehearsal final part)
12. DYLW (part 2, 1st vox overdub)
13. DYLW (part 2, 2nd vox overdub)
14. DYLW complete track
15. DYLW (alt mix 1)
16. DYLW (alt mix 2)
17. DYLW (scratch vox)
18. DYLW full vox
19. Barnyard
20. Im in Great Shape (version 1)
21. Im in Great Shape (version 2)
22. Im in Great Shape (version 3)
23. With Me Tonight (bass similar to Vegetables)
24. With Me Tonight (fast session)
25. With Me Tonight (fast complete)
26. With Me Tonight (slow)
27. Little Red Book
28. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (takes 1&2)
29. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (take 4)
30. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (take 6&7)
31. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (take 10&11)
32. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine stereo
33. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine mono mix
34. The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine (vox and tag)
35. He Gives Speeches (unknown take)
36. He Gives Speeches (lead vox overdub)
37. He Gives Speeches (backing vox overdub)
38. He Gives Speeches (handclap overdub)
39. Prayer (session part 1)
40. Prayer (session part 2)
41. Prayer 1966 mix
42. Prayer (1968 vox overdub)
43. Prayer 1968 complete

Disc 4:
1. Tones (aka Tune X) (unknown take)
2. Tones (aka Tune X) (mix session)
3. Tones (aka Tune X) (inst overdub)
4. Look (takes 1&2)
5. Look (takes 4&5)
6. Look (takes 6 -13)
7. Look (takes 14-19)
8. Look (take 20)
9. Look comnpleted
10. Child is Father of the Man (part 1, take 1-4)
11. Child is Father of the Man (part 1, take 8)
12. Child is Father of the Man (verse, takes 1-10)
13. Child is Father of the Man (take unknown)
14. Child is Father of the Man (take unknown vox)
15. Child is Father of the Man completed
16. Child is Father of the Man (verse)
17. Child is Father of the Man (ending)
18. Child is Father of the Man (chorus take 10)
19. Child is Father of the Man (comp reel Brian mix)
20. Surf's Up (session part 1)
21. Surf's Up (session part 2)
22. Surf's Up (backing track)
23. Surf's Up (session with horn experiments aka GFIHFH)
24. Surf's Up piano demo
25. Surf's Up 1971 vox only
26. Surf's Up 1971 vers
27. Surf's Up Brian matched demo vox* fan edit
28. Surf's Up Inside Pop version

more to come...

I feel like an idiot. What does "vox" mean?

Vocals

Disc 5:

1. Wonderful (takes 1-3)
2. Wonderful (takes 6-8)
3. Wonderful (take 16-18)
4. Wonderful (take unknown)
5. Wonderful (inst overdubs)
6. Wonderful (1st vox overdub)
7. Wonderful (vox insert rehearsals)
8. Wonderful (1st vox insert)
9. Wonderful (2nd vox insert)
10. Wonderful (vox insert stereo mix)
11. Wonderful (completed track with Henry insert)
12. Wonderful (new inst take)
13. Wonderful (new background vox)
14. Wonderful completed
15. Holidays (take 6)
16. Holidays (completed take  7)
17. All Day (takes 1&2)
18. All Day (takes 13-15)
19. All Day (take 15) * poss label typo must check info
20. All Day (take 14) * poss label typo must check info
21. All Day (take 17)
22. I Love To Say Dada (part 1 take 5 - 9)
23. I Love To Say Dada (part 2 take 2)
24. I Love To Say Dada (part 2 take 3)
25. I Love To Say Dada (part 2 take 4)
26. I Love To Say Dada (part 2 overdub)
27. I Love To Say Dada stereo
28. I Love To Say Dada (2nd day take1)
29. I Love To Say Dada (2nd day take 2)
30. You're Welcome (take no reverb)
31. You're Welcome side 2 to H&V 1967
32. Studio Recording Experiment Oct Nov 1966 (aka Party)

more to come later I'm way tired

Thanks. It seems so obvious now.  :-D

Thanks much--it will be interesting to see what differences there are in the track lists with  Big Bag of Vegetables...

Disc 6:
1. Vega-tables (early version mono mix) - "cornucopia"
2. Vega-tables (early version 1st vox overdub)
3. Vega-tables (early version 2nd vox overdub)
4. Vega-tables (April assembly)
5. Vega-tables (part 1, piano track)
6. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub)
7. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub attempt)
8. Vega-tables (part 1, inst and vox overdub attempt)
9. Vega-tables (part 1, inst and vox overdub attempt 2)
10. Vega-tables (part 1, inst and vox overdub attempt 3)
11. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub attempts)
12. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub attempts)
13. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub attempts)
14. Vega-tables (part 1, vox overdub attempts)
15. Vega-tables (part 1, inst inserts takes 1-8)
16. Vega-tables (part 1, vox insert rehearsal)
17. Vega-tables (part 1,  mono mix tests)
18. Vega-tables (part 2, take unknown)
19. Vega-tables (part 2, 1st vox overdub)
20. Vega-tables (part 2, 2nd vox overdub)
21. Vega-tables (part 2, version 2, track rehearsal)
22. Vega-tables (part 2, version 2, 1st vox overdub)
23. Vega-tables (part 2, version 2, 2nd vox overdub)
24. Vega-tables (part 2, version 2, 3rd vox overdub)
25. Vega-tables (part 2, version 2, 4th vox overdub)
26. Vega-tables (part 2, version 3 mono mix)
27. Vega-tables (part 3 session)
28. Vega-tables (part 3, take 12)
29. Vega-tables (part 3, 1st vox overdub)
30. Vega-tables (part 3, 2nd vox overdub)
31. Vega-tables (part 3, mono mix 1)
32. Vega-tables (fade complete mono mix)
33. Vega-tables (bop bop dit dit vox and piano)
34. Vega-tables (various vox insert mixes)
35. Vega-tables (assembled mix with dual verse vox)
36. Vega-tables (assembled mix complete)

Disc 7:

1. Wind Chimes (takes 1 - 4)
2. Wind Chimes (take 4)
3. Wind Chimes (take 5)
4. Wind Chimes (takes 6&7)
5. Wind Chimes (pickup takes 1-5)
6. Wind Chimes (takes 8&9)
7. Wind Chimes (track)
8. Wind Chimes (1st vox overdub)
9. Wind Chimes (last part take 3)
10. Wind Chimes (complete track stereo)
11. Wind Chimes (complete track mono)
12. The Elements: Fire (take 1)
13. The Elements: Fire (take 2)
14. The Elements: Fire (takes 3-7)
15. The Elements: Fire (takes 8-10)
16. The Elements: Fire (takes 11&12)
17. The Elements: Fire (takes 15-18)
18. The Elements: Fire (overdub take 1)
19. The Elements: Fire (mono mix)
20. Friday Night (take 1)
21. Friday Night (take 2)
22. Friday Night (takes 6-10)
23. Friday Night (completed track stereo)
24. Water (organ)
25. Water (1st vocal overdub)
26. Water (2nd vocal overdub)
27. Water (3rd vocal overdub)
28. Water (4th vocal overdub)
29. Water (stereo mix)
30. Water (completed track stereo)
31. Vega-Tables radio spot rehearsals
32. 1966 Capitol Sales Smile Teaser

Disc 8:

1. Cabin Essence (verse takes 1-22)
2. Cabin Essence (chorus trakes 1-17)
3. Cabin Essence (chorus takes 18-23)
4. Cabin Essence (tag takes 1-5)
5. Cabin Essence (verse chorus mix 1)
6. Cabin Essence (verse chorus mix 2)
7. Cabin Essence (verse chorus mix 3)
8. Cabin Essence (verse chorus mix 4)
9. Cabin Essence (verse chorus mix 5)
10. Cabin Essence (verse chorus overdub)
11. Cabin Essence (verse chorus tag vox overdub)
12. Cabin Essence (tag vocal overdub)
13. Cabin Essence (chorus tag overdub)
14. Cabin Essence (chorus tag vox overdub)
15. Cabin Essence (backing track)
16. Cabin Essence (1968 vox only)
17. Cabin Essence (1968 completed track)
18. Cabin Essence (truck drivin man isolated vox)
19. Cabin Essence (true stereo mix) *fan edit

Disc 9:
Psychadelic Sounds track listing

Discs 10 - 12:

Identical to the SOT material (bar slightly alternate playing sequence due to disc space) with the additional tracks on Disc 12:

Track 30. Good Vibrations (pulled master sans lead vox)
Track 31. Good Vibrations (chello and tannerin isolted) *fan edit
Track 32. Good Vibrations instrumental backing track
Track 33. Good Vibrations (incomplete vox 45 master)
Track 34. Good Vibrations 45 mono mix
Track 35. Good Vibrations 45 true stereo mix * fan edit


The booklets are IMO the best ever made for a boot series. Complete with color session pics and arranged on a H&V green style backdrop. Included are all known session dates. The discs are done on the Brother style label.

Looks like a nice complete collection of smile sessions. Any idea about what of this stuff is totally unheard?
Any revelatory or interesting sounds?

I guess the nice thing is that the tracks are ordered properly and in some semblance of chronological order (at least under the song title).  It is also nice to hear complete sessions, and hearing material that has been substantially cleaned up. There is nothing really revolutionary except to hear it in its development stage allows you to appreciate how much work went into it.

Nothing on there that hasn't been heard.

I guess that the bottom of the barrel has been scraped. Mike Love once explained the lack of an official Beach Boys "Smile" compilation by saying "You've got it all already". Perhaps we do. There's still the hope that Capitol or Brother may uncover some previously unheard material from tapes that were misplaced,misfiled,stolen or weren't retrieved from studios or labels or individuals who owned those studios.

Plus, there's got to be better quality versions of some of what we have, like the two tracks I talked about before (Da-Da stereo version and the track to the harpischord version Wonderful.)

All that's left mainly are vocal sessions that we know were recorded, but they might be lost/erased, and only Brian knows what happened to them, if he does. He might say he doesn't when he really does.

Like the tapes with the vocals for "Look" which went missing?

I highly doubt any vocals were recorded for the verses of DYLW.

Mike really said that?

I highly doubt any vocals were recorded for the verses of DYLW.

I'm 50-50% on that one. No one has come up with corresponding AFM-Sheet/tapebox evidence to say whether or not there was a session for those vocals. No evidence outside of the lyric sheet given to Frank Holmes in 1966.

But there were vocal sessions for "CIFOTM" and "Part 2" sessions for "Surf's Up."

Yeah but are we talking about the chorus vocals for Child (which we have) or are we talking about vocals on the verses?

Also, are we sure that there's part 2 sessions for Surf's Up?

The January sessions for "Surf's Up" were labeled as tracking for Part 2.

Apparently there are some verse vocals for "CITFOTM" that can barely be heard bleeding through a recorded playback. That being said, there were enough sessions for "CITFOTM" to hypothetsize that there likely were vocal sessions for the verses. But it's just a guess.

Interesting on the CITFOTM info.

I thought that the sessions for Surf's Up in January 67 were for the first part. Is it possible the first movement was started in December of 66?

I don't have LLVS in front of me right now, so I don't really remember. For some reason, it's sticking out in my mind that the first section of "Surf's Up," plus the "Talking French Horns" overdubs, were all recorded in November 1966.

I believe Brad Elliott lays it all out in detail in LLVS.

Surf's Up part one tracking was Nov 4, 66 with brass overdubs Nov 7th (George Fell was taped at that session).

Part Two tracking was Jan 23, 1967.

Two vocal sessions were held for Worms, Oct 18 and Dec 21st, the first Brian only (the Hawaiian tag?), the second the full group.

I thought the bleed through vocals heard when Darian and Brian reviewed tapes for BWPS were on the chorus, not the verses.

You might be right about that. But then that wouldn't be anything we haven't already heard, so I'm not sure why chorus bleed would really matter. Maybe that was us otakus hoping there was more.

It doesn't surprise me. I remember reading an interview where the interviewer mentioned owning a BB bootleg, and Mike's response was "You ass-hole, give me 20 dollars!"

EDIT: Here it is verbatim...  (bold is interviewer)

Now the million dollar question: Will Smile ever be released?

There was brilliant pieces of music but it's disjointed and fragmented and unfinished so I don't see any real venue for doing it. I don't see any real reason for it to come out other than certain collectors would like to hear some of those unfinished tapes. They probably have them anyway (uproarious laughter).

I'm not saying anything.

You lousy bastard, that'll be 20 dollars (laughs).

That's possibly the instance where Mike comes off the most human and funny.

Yet another case of Mike trying to take financial credit for Brian's work .....  ::) ::) ::)

Wow, Novemeber? I didn't think it was that early.

We must go on a quest to find the holy grail the sessions for part 2. Watch out for flying cows!  ;D

We've been on that trail forever.

Back in 2003, Malcolm Leo told me that he had a copy of the full "Surf's Up" track in his archive, and I about crapped my pants. But when pushed further, he clarified that it wasn't the "SU" backing track, nor anything from the studio. What he meant was the video of Brian performing the song in his living room, without the "Inside Pop" narration. Hence the "full track."

Alas, "Part 2" remains unfound. I think Alan Boyd reported a few years back that there was a tape box for that session, but it was empty. I don't want to get all mysterious sounding here. I tend to speak in grail connotations and really shouldn't. For all we know, the tape was damaged, misplaced or just never turned out. After all, Carl Wilson, Jack Rieley and Stephen Desper never came across that section back in 1971. Not sure if anyone has anything further or not.

So...has anybody recently compiled the ultimate SMiLE discography yet?

By that, I mean a list that compiles the complete original sessions and tracks, in the best quality possible.  And with as little redundancy as possible.  And not counting fan mixes, etc.

(Mainly...I'm trying to find out if there's anything I'm still missing!  I think I have everything as of yesterday, having downloaded the SOT Source Tape boot, although the quality isn't fantastic...)

Alan has said here that there are several empty Smile era tape boxes but I'm almost positive he didn't specifically mention Surf's Up 'part 2'.

Others can provide more details but some of the experts are of the opinon that 'part 2' may have not been recorded. 

Does anyone know if group vocals were ever added to part 1 in '66/'67?

While there likely isn't much Smile stuff in the Brother vaults that hasn't been booted (save for Jazz, more Great Shape instro takes, etc) much of what we know exists will present substantial sonic upgrades over what circulates. Some of the stuff we have sounds awful (CITFORM for instance). The stuff we do have from acetate sounds really poor. I'm sure the extant acetates or best tape copies of the acetates will sound better than. let's say, the version of Old Master Painter with vocals that circulates.

It is almost certain that there are acetates in existence that contain material that has not been booted. Alan Boyd has said that here. What is interesting is that with all of the Smile stuff that has been booted we only have a handful of vintage BW mixes. The Smile sessions lasted 8-9 months. We know that during that span BW had to have done tons of rough mixes and test edits. Where is all that stuff?

Perhaps these are the tapes that have indeed been scrapped by Brian. Or maybe he just played frisbee with these acetates.  :-D

A BBs fan of some great repute once told me that many of the tapes still existing had been cut. I think he was referring to final  -  ie, definitive - takes on many of the songs having been spliced off the ends of the reels. Aka stolen.
My understanding of the processes isn't that hot but maybe he would care to embelish my memory -  it was a casual conversatoon at a BW Smile gig in '04, Birmingham I think - as I know he posts here.

Talking about the instrumental sessions, I would guess about 70% in the Brother vaults isn't booted. There are samples around of probably every recorded SMiLE fragment, but the sessions on the boots are for the most part very incomplete, if not all of them. As mentioned, final takes are missing or there's only the talking between takes.

..Secret SMiLe, Psychadelic Sounds and Sessions Tape make a great addition any collection, but that still doesn't  account for about 50% of a 9 cd or so box set having never been booted on a large scale and only known to a very few insider collectors.

When my friend becomes "board active" again,  he'll publish a promised track list for BBOV.

So this tells me that somebody came up with tape or acetate sources (that's why I was guessing Durrie Parks) that have not seen the light of day until recently.

It gets more interesting all the time...

On the official Beach Boys box set that had the five or six 'SMiLE' releases on it, does anybody recall where the middle section of DYLW came from? It's where the 'Bicycle Rider' section would have gone, except this  section sounds slightly warped (I think it sounds almost like a mellotron with Brian chanting over it-'oom dada'). I seem to recall someone saying it came from a box that had different little bits on it, but I can't recall what it was-doesn anybody know?

The "Warped" section is a mastering defect by Capitol, which causes the tape to drag(I.E. slow down) at 2 places.

I don't think many unheard vocals could be found on acetates, but the final version of "Wind Chimes" would be realistic for example. The mix Michael Vosse talked about in 1969. I know the boxset version is supposed to be finished, but according to Vosse there were little music box overdubs on the piano part, mixed with different echos. Brian's musical arrangement of wind chimes tingling in the rough wind. Would love to hear that.

Wow. That is fascinating. I'll have to read that 1969 Vosse interview again. I was thinking that the acetates might have Look/IRan with the group vocal ovedubs and CITFOTM with verse vocals. Another possibility I considered was DYLW with the 'ribbon of concrete' vocal. Do you think the acetates might have this stuff?

I don't know if I would call it a mastering error. There was probably a tape drag and they decided not to fix it digitally. It is interesting that that section isn't on any of the boots.

That section was recorded separately, for possible use as an edit piece. It is not on the boots because it was not an original part of any take of "Do You Like Worms".

It's not a different section - it's the verse section, which is on every edit we have of Worms from the era, in the same place it is on the GV box set (and on BWPS) - it's the backing vocals which are unique to this section.  Where the tape with the backing vocals was found, is unclear - it may be from the unlabeled 8 track comp tape that dates to early 1972 and was compiled by Stephen Desper and Carl Wilson for the projected release of Smile in late 1972. The tape include something called "Worms - sections 1,2,4,5,6,7."  I suspect the backing vocals were on one of those sections, but who knows.  I haven't heard of any other Worms tapes or Worms acetates coming to light after this tape.

The "Barnshine" thingy with the My Only Sunshine vocals not heard elsewhere gives us a glimmer of hope.

Where did you get that from?

..just received this from a friend--his track list for BBOV

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD1 "GOOD GOOD VIBRATIONS"

1. Good Vibrations Session (1:24)
2. Good Vibrations Session (1:35)
3. Good Vibrations Session (3:09)
4. Good Vibrations Session (1:18)
5. Good Vibrations Session (2:02)
6. Good Vibrations Session (2:27)
7. Good Vibrations Session (2:14)
8. Good Vibrations Session (1:48)
9. Good Vibrations Session (0:34)
10. Good Vibrations Session (1:16)
11. Good Vibrations Session (0:47)
12. Good Vibrations Session (2:05)
13. Good Vibrations Session (1:01)
14. Good Vibrations Session (1:25)
15. Good Vibrations Session (0:48)
16. Good Vibrations Session (0:50)
17. Good Vibrations Session (1:53)
18. Good Vibrations Session (1:36)
19. Good Vibrations Session (2:34)
20. Good Vibrations Session (1:26)
21. Good Vibrations Session (1:49)
22. Good Vibrations Session (2:06)
23. Good Vibrations Session (2:04)
24. Good Vibrations Session (1:41)
25. Good Vibrations Session (2:24)
26. Good Vibrations Session (1:00)
27. Good Vibrations Session (1:39)
28. Good Vibrations Session (0:49)
29. Good Vibrations Session (1:59)
30. Good Vibrations Session (2:13)
31. Prayer (1:01)
32. Wonderful (2:10)
33. Cabinessence (2:28)
34. Cabinessence (1:57)
35. Child Is Father Of The Man (1:04)
36. Child Is Father Of The Man (1:11)
37. Do You Like Worms (3:47)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD2 "HEROES & VILLAINS"

1. Heroes & Villains Minor Theme (track) (0:56)
2. Bicycle Rider (0:36)
3. Heroes & Villains Verse Track (0:54)
4. Heroes & VillainsIntro Rehearsal (1:18)
5. Intro (stereo mix) (0:55)
6. 2nd Verse Instrumental Pickup (0:59)
7. E Minor Piano Sections (1:38)
8. Heroes & Villains Verse Vocal OD's (1:00)
9. Do Alot (0:47)
10. Vocal Section Rehearsal (bridge to indians) (6:39)
11. Tag To Part 1 (stereo mix) (1:18)
12. With Me Tonight (0:58)
13. Part Two Revised Version (1:57)
14. In The Cantina (3:17)
15. In The Cantina (0:37)
16. Gee-How I Love My Girl (take 10) (1:00)
17. Vocal Section #4 (1:24)
18. Vocal Section #5 (0:49)
19. Vocal Section #6 Rehearsal (5:17)
20. Vocal Section #6 Breakdown & Take (0:50)
21. Vocal Sections Mix Attempts (1:39)
22. Sunny Down Snuff BG Vocs test (0:31)
23. Bring Mike A Bag Of Vibrating Money (1:37)
24. Sunny Down Snuff (stereo-vocals) (0:40)
25. Heroes & Villains Minor Theme With Vocal (0:51)
26. My Children Were Raised (slowly) (0:33)
27. Sunny Down Snuff (rehearsals) (8:04)
28. My Children Were Raised (quickly) session & take (3:20)
29. Whistle Session Backing Rehearsals (5:54)
30. Whistle (take with OD's) (0:15)
31. Oscillator Sessions (11:57)
32. Soul Made Beautiful Sessions (7:25)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD3 "HEROES & VILLAINS 2"

1. Heroes & Villains (piano demo) (4:02)
2. Heroes & Villains (intro #1) (1:09)
3. Heroes & Villains (intro #2) (1:01)
4. Heroes & Villains (gong intro) (0:55)
5. Bag Of Tricks (1:03)
6. Bag Of Tricks (1:01)
7. Heroes & Villains (intro #3) (0:50)
8. Heroes & Villains (test edit sections) (1:59)
9. Heroes & Villains (backing with BG vocals) (0:50)
10. Heroes & Villains Verse (test edit) (0:48)
11. Barnyard (1:01)
12. I'm In Great Shape (tracking) (0:40)
13. I'm In Great Shape (tracking) (1:01)
14. I'm In Great Shape (tracking) (0:38)
15. Bicycle Rider (mix) (0:29)
16. Bicycle Rider (mix) (0:37)
17. Bicycle Rider (mix) (0:35)
18. Bicycle Rider (mix) (0:35)
19. Heroes & Villains (verse mix) (0:58)
20. Sweeping Strings (0:59)
21. Heroes & Villains (fade re-record) (1:33)
22. Piano Sections (2:37)
23. In The Cantina (0:47)
24. In The Cantina (0:42)
25. In The Cantina (0:40)
26. Heroes & Villains (6:26)
27. Oscillator Session (take) (2:14)
28. Piano Rehearsal (4:09)
29. Hold On (0:45)
30. My Children Were Raised (quickly) (0:27)
31. My Children Were Raised (slowly) (0:26)
32. Dumb Whistle (0:19)
33. Soul Made Beautiful (0:16)
34. Bridge To Indians (0:15)
35. How I Love My Girl (0:59)
36. Sunny Down Snuff (1:21)
37. Part 2 Vocal Section 4 (0:50)
38. Part 2 Vocal Section 5 (0:42)
39. My Children Were Raised (again) (0:42)
40. Heroes & Villains (minor theme) (0:52)
41. Sunny Down Snuff (0:27)
42. Tag To Part 1 (0:47)
43. Tag To Part 1 (0:52)
44. Tag To Part 1 (0:39)
45. My Children Were Raised (0:27)
46. Heroes & Villains (mix session) (0:54)
47. Heroes & Villains (mix session) (1:08)
48. Heroes & Villains (mix session) (2:01)
49. Heroes & Villains (mix session) (1:20)
50. Heroes & Villains (mix session) (1:23)
51. Heroes & Villains (vocal overdub) (0:53)
52. Heroes & Villains (vocal overdub) (0:50)
53. Heroes & Villains (vocal overdub) (0:50)
54. Heroes & Villains (vocal overdub) (0:49)
55. Heroes & Villains (vocal overdub) (0:54)
56. Heroes & Villains - Old Master Painter (fade session) (4:18)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD4 "SEA OF FOOLS"

1. Do You Like Worms (verse with voc OD) (1:21)
2. Do You Like Worms (stereo mix) (4:17)
3. Do You Like Worms (verse track) (1:30)
4. Bicycle Rider (take 14) (0:55)
5. Do You Like Worms (2nd verse) (1:07)
6. Bicycle Rider (exit music) (1:09)
7. Old Master Painter (fade) (1:14)
8. Old Master Painter (backing track) (2:22)
9. Old Master Painter (session) (1:58)
10. Old Master Painter (take 4) (1:32)
11. Fire (takes 6-11) (4:13)
12. Wonderful (track session) (5:02)
13. Wonderful (instr overdub) (2:19)
14. Wonderful (1st vocal OD) (2:16)
15. Wonderful (insert vocal OD) (2:07)
16. Wonderful (tag) (1:03)
17. Wonderful (april re-record) (1:07)
18. The Child Is Father Of The Man (session) (8:06)
19. The Child Is Father Of The Man (piano track) (1:25)
20. The Child Is Father Of The Man (vocal overdub) (1:40)
21. Vege-Tables (fade) (1:45)
22. Water Chant (1:01)
23. Friday Night-I Wanna Be Around (session) (6:46)
24. Wind Chimes (session) (6:00)
25. Wind Chimes (assembly with vocal) (3:00)
26. Wind Chimes (ending take 3) (0:38)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD5 "MISC SESSIONS"

1. Cabinessence (session) (1:29)
2. Cabinessence (session) (1:30)
3. Cabinessence (session) (1:21)
4. Cabinessence (session) (0:38)
5. Cabinessence (session) (1:34)
6. Cabinessence (session) (1:33)
7. Child Is Father To The Man (section) (0:47)
8. Child Is Father To The Man (section) (0:50)
9. Child Is Father To The Man (section) (0:35)
10. Child Is Father To The Man (section) (1:46)
11. Child Is Father To The Man (piano version) (1:04)
12. Child Is Father To The Man (track) (3:04)
13. Vega-Tables (mix) (2:11)
14. Vega-Tables (mix) (2:11)
15. Vega-Tables (mix) (2:11)
16. Vega-Tables (april assembly) (4:47)
17. Vega-Tables (fade session) (5:42)
18. Vega-Tables (fade mix) (1:56)
19. Do A Lot (0:54)
20. Water Chant (1:05)
21. Wonderful (track with BV) (2:12)
22. Do You Like Worms (4:16)
23. Fire (2:09)
24. Wind Chimes (take 6) (1:14)
25. Wind Chimes (take 23) (1:34)
26. Wind Chimes Tag (alernate) (1:14)
27. Wind Chimes (pickup) (0:44)
28. Surfs Up (session) (5:52)
29. Surfs Up (session) (1:43)
30. Surfs Up (piano version) (3:58)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD6 "MISC SESSIONS 2"

1. Prayer (session) (4:54)
2. Prayer (stereo mix) (1:07)
3. Tune X - Tones (2:21)
4. Tune X - Tones (3:14)
5. Tune X - Tones (2:19)
6. Tune X - Tones (2:22)
7. All Day (2:08)
8. All Day (1:27)
9. All Day (0:35)
10. All Day (0:28)
11. All Day (0:24)
12. I Love To Say DaDa (0:53)
13. I Love To Say DaDa (0:19)
14. I Love To Say DaDa (1:54)
15. I Love To Say DaDa (1:29)
16. I Love To Say DaDa (1:30)
17. I Love To Say DaDa (1:28)
18. I Love To Say DaDa (1:17)
19. With Me Tonight (session) (6:37)
20. With Me Tonight (mix) (1:49)
21. With Me Tonight (mix #2) (3:08)
22. Look (2:57)
23. Untitled Instrumental (indian wisdom) (1:32)
24. Holidays (3:39)
25. My Little Red Book (3:05)
26. He Gives Speeches (1:12)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD7 "PSYCHEDELIC SOUNDS"

1. How's Your Foot (0:49)
2. Brian Fell Into The Piano (2:32)
3. Michael Falls In (1:20)
4. Look It's Mary Poppins (1:46)
5. Brian Falls Into The Mic (0:33)
6. You Just Wiped Out My Eardrum (2:31)
7. Ice Cream Mans Good Vibrations (1:44)
8. Lifter Leg & Poker (1:22)
9. It Was Brian In The Mic (1:27)
10. Gotta Have Cabbage (1:29)
11. Prune Time (0:59)
12. Beets & Carrots (2:26)
13. Thats Right Vega-Tables (0:28)
14. Big Bag Of Vegetables (1:03)
15. Toot-Toot Dot-Dot (2:04)
16. Lets Talk About Swimming (0:58)
17. Side Stroke (1:04)
18. Swim Swim (2:31)
19. Down On The Ocean Floor (4:24)
20. Breathing (2:13)
21. Torture (17:10)
22. Banana & Scott (15:50)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD8 "SMILEY SMILE"

1. Fall Breaks & Back To Winter (stereo) (2:32)
2. Wind Chimes (tag) (0:52)
3. Wind Chimes (tag rehearsals) (2:39)
4. Wind Chimes (piano track) (2:35)
5. Wind Chimes (1st vocal) (1:37)
6. Wind Chimes (2nd vocal with SFX) (2:25)
7. Wind Chimes (pick-up to fade) (0:39)
8. Vega-Tables (track with piano) (2:39)
9. Vega-Tables (1st vocal) (2:22)
10. Vega-Tables (2nd vocal) (2:21)
11. Gettin Hungry (rehearsals) (3:55)
12. Gettin Hungry (rough chorus) (0:36)
13. Gettin Hungry (stereo chorus) (0:30)
14. Wonderful (2:24)
15. Wonderful (1st vocal) (2:22)
16. Wonderful (instr OD's) (2:24)
17. Wonderful (vocal with clarinet) (2:27)
18. With Me Tonight (vocal session) (10:13)
19. With Me Tonight (rough mix section) (0:45)
20. Heroes & Villains (hawaii rehearsal with ML rant) (7:47)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD9 "SCRAPS"

1. Smile Promo (0:57)
2. Who Ran The Iron Horse (0:30)
3. Bicycle Rider (0:29)
4. Bicycle Rider (0:27)
5. Heroes & Villains (1st verse) (0:51)
6. Good Vibrations (rarities mix) (3:34)
7. Wonderful (track) (2:04)
8. Holidays (sessions) (3:02)
9. Holidays (2:21)
10. Surfs Up (session) (6:28)
11. Surfs Up (TV appearance) (2:30)
12. Hereos & Villains (fade re-record session) (9:54)
13. You Were My Sunshine (fade with vocal) (0:53)
14. Smog (5:15)
15. You're Welcome (no fade) (1:06)
16. Smile Party (24:04)

BIG BAG OF VEGETABLES. CD10 "ADDENDUM"

1. Cabbie (2:53)
2. Bob Gordons Reel Trip (5:42)
3. Basketball Game (2:17)
4. Honeys (4:54)
5. Cabinessence (takes 1-23) (12:53)
6. Cabinessence (takes 1-23) (2:58)
7. Cabinessence (tag takes 1-5) (4:38)
8. Cabinessence (verse takes 1-12) (10:58)
9. Cabinessence (verse take 12 banjo) (1:26)
10. Cabinessence (verse take 12 piano & cello) (3:01)
11. Cabinessence (verse take 12 & chorus) (2:17)
12. Do You Like Worms (4:02)
13. Mrs O'Leary's Cow (2:24)
14. Mrs O'Leary's Cow (with SFX) (1:39)
15. Been Way Too Long (3 parts) (6:29)
16. Old Master Painter - You Are My Sunshine (1:19)
17. Wonderful (2:04)
18. Cabinessence (2:31)
19. Cabinessence (1:43)
20. Child Is Father To The Man (1:54)