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Title: Thought about "Break Away"
Post by: Ron on August 09, 2007, 09:48:27 PM
Forgive me if this is common knowledge or has been discussed at length, but I have a question about "Break Away".  Something I've noticed about it....

For years, Brian's said that he hears his songs (like most songwriters do) in his head, and then tries to explain to the other performers/singers how to make it sound like he hears it in his head... and apparently he hears the songs in full harmony.

So, on Break Away, there's about 8 different people singing... I guess it would be Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce, Carl, Dennis?, Marilyn, and Murray.

Also, Break Away represents one of the first songs representing his mental issues, or at least being deeply biographical, or however you want to describe all that.  The 'found out , it was in my head!' lyrics all kind of tie into Brian's health issues at the time.

Brian's said for years he's heard voices in his head, audible hallucinations, and the song dances around that a bit.

.......

Put two and two together, and does anybody else notice that in the second or so chorus of the song, all of the background vocals by the Beach Boys sound like Demons chanting?  it goes "BREAK, BREAK, BREAK, BREAK, BREAK! BREAK AWAY!!!" and they're all singing in low growling demonic sounding voices.

So is that Brian trying to show the boys what he's hearing in his head?  WOW. 


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Post by: shelter on August 09, 2007, 11:29:41 PM
The "break break break" vocals are not on Brian's vocal guide/demo version (which did include some of the other backing vocals), so I doubt it.


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Post by: SloopJohnB on August 10, 2007, 02:09:27 AM
Also, Break Away represents one of the first songs representing his mental issues, or at least being deeply biographical, or however you want to describe all that.  The 'found out , it was in my head!' lyrics all kind of tie into Brian's health issues at the time.

Brian's said for years he's heard voices in his head, audible hallucinations, and the song dances around that a bit.

.......

Put two and two together, and does anybody else notice that in the second or so chorus of the song, all of the background vocals by the Beach Boys sound like Demons chanting?  it goes "BREAK, BREAK, BREAK, BREAK, BREAK! BREAK AWAY!!!" and they're all singing in low growling demonic sounding voices.

So is that Brian trying to show the boys what he's hearing in his head?  WOW. 

Thanks for talking about that Ron! I've been thinking about it for a long time but never dared talking about it...  :-X Glad I'm not the only one to have noticed that!


Title: Re: Thought about \
Post by: Ron on August 10, 2007, 05:00:34 AM
The "break break break" vocals are not on Brian's vocal guide/demo version (which did include some of the other backing vocals), so I doubt it.

Oh, so the urgh.... 'fleshed out' version doesn't have anything to do with Brian?  I don't know the whole story about how it was all recorded. 


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Post by: SloopJohnB on August 10, 2007, 06:14:29 AM
Al once said that Brian had "underproduced" the tag... So I guess Brian was more or less directing the sessions.


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Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on August 10, 2007, 06:16:25 AM
For years, Brian's said that he hears his songs (like most songwriters do) in his head, and then tries to explain to the other performers/singers how to make it sound like he hears it in his head... and apparently he hears the songs in full harmony.

Actually, more often Brian has said that he doesn't hear the arrangements in his head, which has been greeted with some skepticism, but I believe him.  He's explained that since he can't really hear the arrangements in his head, he had to experiment a lot in the studio to figure out what he wanted, thus the sometimes large number of takes.


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Post by: Bicyclerider on August 10, 2007, 06:31:12 AM
But he had to have "heard" some kind of arrangement in his head, or how did he determine which instruments/musicians to use on the session?


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Post by: pixletwin on August 10, 2007, 12:13:18 PM
I always heard "Break Away" as being a song about leaving behind old conventions and stereotypes... I don't think it had anything to with demons.


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Post by: Amy B. on August 10, 2007, 12:45:41 PM
If he can't hear arrangements in his head, how come, when he does harmonies on other people's songs, he supposedly just walks up to the mike and does the parts, on after the other? And how is he able to deal out vocal parts to the BBs or his band members? Does he work them out beforehand? 


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Post by: pixletwin on August 10, 2007, 12:59:08 PM
Actually, more often Brian has said that he doesn't hear the arrangements in his head, which has been greeted with some skepticism, but I believe him.  He's explained that since he can't really hear the arrangements in his head, he had to experiment a lot in the studio to figure out what he wanted, thus the sometimes large number of takes.

Yeah I believe that about the instrumental arrangements. Listening to sessions you can see that he would toss an idea out to the musicians then he would keep what he liked and tweek what he didn't like until after "X" amount of takes he would finally arrive at something he thought felt like what he wanted.

Per the vocals, I think he did compose them in his head, for the most part, before teaching them to the others.


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Post by: MBE on August 11, 2007, 05:17:15 AM
Have asked many who would know about this song. I am 90 percent sure Murry wrote the lyrics.


Title: Re: Thought about \
Post by: adamghost on August 11, 2007, 02:08:39 PM
The whole head arrangement thing vs. experimenting in the studio aren't mutually exclusive.  You can have a pretty solid idea of how you want the track to sound overall but need to "hear it back" with musicians playing to absolutely nail what you want.


Title: Re: Thought about \
Post by: Ron on August 11, 2007, 06:44:14 PM
I was more kind of getting at the "Did Brian tell the Beach Boys to sing their backup vocals sounding like demons" aspect of the post :)



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Post by: pixletwin on August 11, 2007, 07:01:50 PM
Which part? There are so many layers to that recording.. Do you mean the "Harmony Frie" part?


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Post by: brother john on August 11, 2007, 07:10:26 PM
The whole head arrangement thing vs. experimenting in the studio aren't mutually exclusive.  You can have a pretty solid idea of how you want the track to sound overall but need to "hear it back" with musicians playing to absolutely nail what you want.

Exactly!

I always heard "Break Away" as being a song about leaving behind old conventions and stereotypes... I don't think it had anything to with demons.

Are you kidding? We are talking about the same Brian Wilson...?

When I laid down on my bed
I heard voices in my head
Telling me now "Hey it's only a dream"

The more I thought of it
I had been out of it
And here's the answer I found instead...


I guess that one of the great achievments of this song is that it speaks of profound mental illness and yet manages to be uplifting, giving the impression of some genuine achievment in terms of escaping from one's, if you like personal 'demons'.

I was more kind of getting at the "Did Brian tell the Beach Boys to sing their backup vocals sounding like demons" aspect of the post :)

An intersting thought, but unlikely, methinks. At this point in Brian's life the creation of something beautiful still outweighed other considerations. This is one of my all time fave BB songs, and I'm so glad it was recorded while Brian still had enough motivation to do it properly.  :) :)



Title: Re: Thought about \
Post by: brother john on August 11, 2007, 07:13:52 PM
Which part? There are so many layers to that recording.. Do you mean the "Harmony Frie" part?

Which is this part?


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Post by: endofposts on August 12, 2007, 01:12:49 PM
I don't hear the sounding-like-demons part.  The only odd sound is that you can hear Murry Wilson pretty clearly on the baritone parts, singing with Mike.  Murry did have a hand in directing the sessions, according to Carl on the "Endless Harmony" CD.


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Post by: pixletwin on August 13, 2007, 12:10:39 PM
Which part? There are so many layers to that recording.. Do you mean the "Harmony Frie" part?

Which is this part?

I have seen it listed on some Boots as "Harmony Frie"... Its the Ahhhh singing the notes Do Ti La  in thirds behind the "Oh boy you'll jump for joy" part.


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Post by: SloopJohnB on August 13, 2007, 12:33:01 PM
That'd be "Harmony FrieNDS"  :) If I recall correctly it's even the name of the aforementioned boot.


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Post by: brother john on August 13, 2007, 04:23:15 PM
Which part? There are so many layers to that recording.. Do you mean the "Harmony Frie" part?

Which is this part?

I have seen it listed on some Boots as "Harmony Frie"... Its the Ahhhh singing the notes Do Ti La  in thirds behind the "Oh boy you'll jump for joy" part.

That will also be the piece called 'Unreleased backgrounds' I guess, which is clearly an unused part of the Breakaway outro. I can't for the life of me hear demons in there though... I guess, as with so many things, you hear what you want to hear.  ::)




Title: Re: Thought about \
Post by: pixletwin on August 13, 2007, 08:58:21 PM
Unused? It's in there.. buried deep, but I can hear it (at least in WotS Break Away).


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Post by: Ron on August 13, 2007, 09:47:49 PM
I don't hear the sounding-like-demons part.  The only odd sound is that you can hear Murry Wilson pretty clearly on the baritone parts, singing with Mike. 

I listened to it again today, on the second 'chorus' when Carl's going "And I can't breakaway, to that better life..." or whatever the line is there, all of the backing vocals are unnaturally (for the beach boys, at least) low... Everything else in the song like in nearly every other beach boys song has a nice full, sunny sound to it but in that part, the vocals are all kind of shouting and chanting, sounds a little demonic to me.... or maybe it's just Murray.

I just thought it was interesting that in that 1 part of the song, there's no high harmonies, no typical beach boys 'stack', just lots of layered, low chants. 

Or I could be wrong, either way!



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Post by: No. Fourteen on August 14, 2007, 06:31:19 AM
It goes something like, "Break, break, break, shake, break, break-a-way...."

Definitely a chanting feel to it.  Not sure about demonic, but it'd be very interesting if that was the purpose.


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Post by: LostArt on August 14, 2007, 07:19:33 AM
Interesting.  I've never heard that part in there before.  Lower in pitch, as was pointed out.  It is definitely a different sort of bg vocal for the Beach Boys.  That wacky Brian does it again.  It is interesting that Murry wrote most of the lyrics to this great song (according to Brian on the Warmth of the Sun podcast series), as was also pointed out. 


Title: Re: Thought about \
Post by: pixletwin on August 14, 2007, 08:09:19 AM
Break Away is one of the BB's best.


Title: Re: Thought about \
Post by: Ron on August 14, 2007, 02:48:05 PM
Interesting.  I've never heard that part in there before.  Lower in pitch, as was pointed out.  It is definitely a different sort of bg vocal for the Beach Boys.  That wacky Brian does it again.  It is interesting that Murry wrote most of the lyrics to this great song (according to Brian on the Warmth of the Sun podcast series), as was also pointed out. 

See that's my whole point.  He never did anything quite like that, and it's only in that one part, and it's in a song about audible hallucinations.  I reallllllly don't think i'm stretching here!

BTW, just to clarify: GREAT SONG.  I love it!  The more vocals they add each time they 're-release' it, the better it sounds. 


Title: Re: Thought about \
Post by: pixletwin on August 14, 2007, 02:58:42 PM
I can't think of anything more demonic than voices in my head telling me "hey! Its only a dream."

No offense, but I think you reeeeeeeeaaaaaaallllllyyyy are stretching it. (especially if its true that Murray wrote the words, not Brian).


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Post by: Mahalo on August 14, 2007, 03:50:16 PM
It goes something like, "Break, break, break, shake, break, break-a-way...."


Those BV's kill the song for me....I prefer by far the demo version released on Endless Harmony....by far.


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Post by: endofposts on August 14, 2007, 04:28:25 PM
Listen to Murry's Kentucky Fried Chicken jingle, or the Rhonda tapes, for that matter.  That deep, husky voice of his is what sounds "demonic," and that's why it sounds "unnaturally low" for the Beach Boys, because Murry's voice is deeper than Mike's.


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Post by: Aegir on August 14, 2007, 08:38:15 PM
Listen to Murry's Kentucky Fried Chicken jingle
Curse you for getting that song stuck in my head! "It's the best chicken, in the USA"


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Post by: SloopJohnB on August 15, 2007, 03:26:18 AM
"Kentucky Fried Chicken, it's chicken that's so great! Really finger lickin', and no one can debate..."  :rock

I actually *like* that jingle!


Title: Re: Thought about \
Post by: Aegir on August 15, 2007, 08:30:27 PM
It's devil music. Very catchy melody, but pure EVIL.


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Post by: James Hughes-Clarke on August 17, 2007, 05:16:13 AM
Sitting here noodling away at work and it just popped into my head how similar to Breakaway is 'Just a Smile' by Pilot - (i.e. the chorus)

That is all.