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Title: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: TheLazenby on June 11, 2007, 09:22:15 AM
What stands out to you as the most brilliant piece of music Brian ever wrote?

For me, it's probably "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow", especially the BWPS version.  I mean, he set out to make a musical representation of a fire, and damned if he didn't!


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 11, 2007, 10:47:46 AM
Cabinessence


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Mahalo on June 11, 2007, 10:50:56 AM
Mona....maybe Surf's Up


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: MBE on June 11, 2007, 12:19:13 PM
Hard to pick one but Break Away


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Jonas on June 11, 2007, 12:32:29 PM
God Only Knows

only song I can leave on repeat for more than an hour...


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: PMcC on June 11, 2007, 12:48:16 PM
I gotta go with "Cabinessence"...sheer brilliance.


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: the captain on June 11, 2007, 01:01:33 PM
Impossible for me to choose without going through my possible moods, how to define brilliance, etc. But since NOBODY (myself included) wants to read me BS my way throug that, I'll just give a few, with different reasons for each:

Cabinessence and Surf's Up for their success as progressive, nearly impossible to categorize nature as pop songs (and amazing performances in the former)
God Only Knows, Wind Chimes and Wonderful for their sheer beauty
Help Me, Rhonda and I Get Around for being phenomenal, nearly perfect pop-rock singles
Sloop John B - that arrangement!

On any given day, I'd probably say one of those. Or maybe something else. I'm no man of conviction.


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Mahalo on June 11, 2007, 02:10:23 PM
Impossible for me to choose without going through my possible moods, how to define brilliance, etc. But since NOBODY (myself included) wants to read me BS my way throug that, I'll just give a few, with different reasons for each:

Cabinessence and Surf's Up for their success as progressive, nearly impossible to categorize nature as pop songs (and amazing performances in the former)
God Only Knows, Wind Chimes and Wonderful for their sheer beauty
Help Me, Rhonda and I Get Around for being phenomenal, nearly perfect pop-rock singles
Sloop John B - that arrangement!

On any given day, I'd probably say one of those. Or maybe something else. I'm no man of conviction.

I feel the same way. Brilliant is a weird adjective. All of the above songs generally fit the bill, but I would add Good Vibrations and, uhhhhh, maybe Solar System...(!!)


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: pixletwin on June 11, 2007, 03:20:46 PM
I think my most brilliant Brian song would have to be a toss up between either Surf's Up or A Day In The Life Of A Tree. I just wish there was a version out there with Brian singing it all the way through instead of Jack Reiley (tho' I think his vocals are appropriate for the song).


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Bicyclerider on June 11, 2007, 06:48:46 PM
Most brilliant covers a lot of ground - most brilliant arrangement (Wouldn't It Be Nice followed by God Only Knows)?  Most brilliant melody (Don't Worry Baby, Good Vibrations)?  Most innovative song structure (Good Vibrations, Cabinessence)? Most brilliant vocal arrangement (This Whole World)?  You can go on and on . . . most brilliant rocker . . . Darlin', Dance Dance Dance . . . 


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: MBE on June 11, 2007, 08:32:45 PM
Most brilliant covers a lot of ground - most brilliant arrangement (Wouldn't It Be Nice followed by God Only Knows)?  Most brilliant melody (Don't Worry Baby, Good Vibrations)?  Most innovative song structure (Good Vibrations, Cabinessence)? Most brilliant vocal arrangement (This Whole World)?  You can go on and on . . . most brilliant rocker . . . Darlin', Dance Dance Dance . . . 
Bicyclerider you have to pick Do You Dig Worms. Your name comes from there ;D


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Ron on June 12, 2007, 06:05:11 AM
"Good Vibrations" for the studio trickery, I'd say that's the most brilliant song he ever did, and also will be his most notable contribution to the history of music.  When people look back many years from now they'll point at that song as genius. 


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Shady on June 12, 2007, 06:40:43 AM
I'd say GV...But then you have Surf's up, Cabinessence, Don't worry baby. Really are to many to pick.


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 12, 2007, 11:36:13 AM
Listen to the track for "Cabin Essence", and know the answer.


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: melissalynn on June 12, 2007, 11:44:41 AM
Cabinessence, hands down.


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Jonas on June 12, 2007, 11:57:18 AM
Listen to the track for "Cabin Essence", and know the answer.

The answer that you would give us if asked for your opinion on this question? Oh ok, cool.


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: No. Fourteen on June 12, 2007, 12:31:18 PM
Listening to that Cabinessence backing track the other day reminded me.......that thing is spine-tinglingly brilliant!  Haunting, in a way.


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on June 12, 2007, 01:10:22 PM
Give me 'Mt Vernon and Fairway'


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Mahalo on June 12, 2007, 01:10:44 PM
.....no votes for Ding Dang?


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: PMcC on June 12, 2007, 04:37:40 PM
It's true that after all is said and done, almost all will look back and point to Good Vibrations as verification of the man's genius. Unorthodox editing techniques, great production, nice groove, in exactly the right place at the right minute, and sold millions.
    But in my view, GV was just a warm up for the majesty that was to become Cabinessence. Beautiful lilting melody, strange chords, exotic arrangement...then BOOM..the entire universe seems to resonate with this "Iron Horse" theme..swirling layered harmonies, cellos under attack, then like low tide, it moves out again, and becomes calm, only to revisit this sound and fury a 2nd time, waves of vocals counteracting. Every section speaking to the other, every instrument within every section so vital, no matter how insignificant, to the point where, if even one was removed, it would destroy the balance of the whole 'feel'. Add in the "Grand Coulee Dam" section, and the 'over and over' coda, and I sit in amazement that so much ground can be covered in only 3 and a half minutes. Smart lyrics, unforgettable arrangement, beautiful vocals. It is as close to perfection as a producer can get in a studio setting. The entire song will always make the hair stand up on the back of my neck for the rest of my life. It is, in short, a pop masterpiece.
   It is the brightest of the 3 true gems on Smile, and while Good Vibrations will always represent the very best of what the 60's can offer, Cabinessence feels absolutely   timeless.
     


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Mahalo on June 12, 2007, 05:23:19 PM
It's true that after all is said and done, almost all will look back and point to Good Vibrations as verification of the man's genius. Unorthodox editing techniques, great production, nice groove, in exactly the right place at the right minute, and sold millions.
    But in my view, GV was just a warm up for the majesty that was to become Cabinessence. Beautiful lilting melody, strange chords, exotic arrangement...then BOOM..the entire universe seems to resonate with this "Iron Horse" theme..swirling layered harmonies, cellos under attack, then like low tide, it moves out again, and becomes calm, only to revisit this sound and fury a 2nd time, waves of vocals counteracting. Every section speaking to the other, every instrument within every section so vital, no matter how insignificant, to the point where, if even one was removed, it would destroy the balance of the whole 'feel'. Add in the "Grand Coulee Dam" section, and the 'over and over' coda, and I sit in amazement that so much ground can be covered in only 3 and a half minutes. Smart lyrics, unforgettable arrangement, beautiful vocals. It is as close to perfection as a producer can get in a studio setting. The entire song will always make the hair stand up on the back of my neck for the rest of my life. It is, in short, a pop masterpiece.
   It is the brightest of the 3 true gems on Smile, and while Good Vibrations will always represent the very best of what the 60's can offer, Cabinessence feels absolutely   timeless.
     

What are the three true gems?


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Aegir on June 12, 2007, 05:38:07 PM
My guess, from what people have been saying in this thread, Good Vibrations, Cabin Essence, and Surf's Up.


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Mahalo on June 12, 2007, 06:49:41 PM
Wonderful, Wind Chimes, Heroes also belong there I would think. All of BWPS!!


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: PMcC on June 12, 2007, 07:21:29 PM
..Cabinessence, Good Vibrations, and Surf's Up are the rare stones. The rest of Smile is the beautiful diamond  setting, to use a jewel analogy...in my humble opinion


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: the captain on June 12, 2007, 07:30:30 PM
I think that--considering their 60s incarnations--Prayer, H&V, GV, Cabinessence, Wonderful (the Smile version, not Smiley Smile), Wind Chimes (ditto) and Surf's Up (despite it being a Brian demo) are all absolute, true gems. Each one is sublime.


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Mahalo on June 12, 2007, 07:45:45 PM
Thats right, I forgot Prayer too.  Is the BWPS version of Prayer a little slower tempo than the 66 version???


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Big Bri on June 13, 2007, 10:15:50 AM
I do believe the consensus is right on the money!
Cabinessence
Surf's Up
Good Vibrations
Our Prayer

and for arrangement,Sloop John B.

Since most of us here on this board ARE muscian's,we're more apt to look at Brian's "materpieces" from that perspective.
But I too am in agreement as to he picks mentioned.

Cheers,
Bri


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: PMcC on June 13, 2007, 11:26:16 AM
The only reason I didn't include "Prayer" was because Brian Wilson himself said it wasn't a 'song", just an intro to the album, and a great one at that. beautiful jewelry leading up to that rare gem that you would hear about 12 minutes later. absolutely brilliant....


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on June 13, 2007, 11:33:54 AM
...and for arrangement,Sloop John B.

Thank you for mentioning this. Because of Sloop John B's subject matter, it sometimes isn't given the weight of the more (lyrically) sophisticated songs. Brian's lead vocal is also incredible, but again, because of the words, gets a little overshadowed.

Did you notice that many/most of the songs on this thread come from a relatively short window of about 1-2 years. Damn, if he only would've stayed healthy... 


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Big Bri on June 13, 2007, 12:40:09 PM
Amazingly,everyone has overlooked "'Til I Die"!!!!!
It may be short,but Brian packed a punch with "Til I Die".And just like Cabinessence,'Til I Die quivers the emotions with it's beauty and power.

Bri


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Mahalo on June 13, 2007, 12:52:54 PM
This Whole World, as well......Let Him Run Wild.......


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: matt-zeus on June 13, 2007, 01:37:22 PM
This Whole world - loads of great key and chord changes in 2 minutes!


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: Ron on June 13, 2007, 08:04:48 PM
Amazingly,everyone has overlooked "'Til I Die"!!!!!
It may be short,but Brian packed a punch with "Til I Die".And just like Cabinessence,'Til I Die quivers the emotions with it's beauty and power.

Bri

Yeah, but the topic was "most brilliant brian song?" not "Name a bunch of good Brian songs".



Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: bellagio on June 13, 2007, 08:17:45 PM
When shopping for a new stereo I always take the Cabinessence backing track to the store with me. So much amazing sound happening, big bass and hi end clanging. The best! But Please let me wonder still moves me the most...


Title: Re: Most brilliant Brian song?
Post by: busy doin nothin on June 14, 2007, 08:41:01 AM
There are so many, but aside from the great ones already mentioned in this thread I am particularly very partial to Your Summer Dream, Let Him Run Wild, ADITLOAT, and My Diane.