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What Smile songs are connected to other Smile or post-Smile songs either in melody, that they once belonged together or that they later showed up in other songs? I have the following - not exhaustive (I'm no expert) and some of the connections may be a bit tenuous/incorrect but I'd be curious to know if anyone has any to add. I am only really thinking of connections that existed prior to BWPS.

1. Our Prayer
Surf's Up - The descending chords of the coda of SU are similar?

2. Heroes and Villains
Worms (Bicycle rider theme used in H&V)
Barnyard (Humble harv demo)
I'm In Great Shape (Humble harv demo)
Vegetables (part 3 of  GV boxset Vegetables sounds similar  to The Heroes, the Heroes part of H&V Sections from GV boxset)

3. Do You Dig Worms/Plymouth Rock
Heroes & Villains
Cabinessence (According to Vosse article, the Who Ran the Ion Horse and Grand Coulee sections were planned to go with the Bicyle Rider theme at one point )
Whistle In (Remember the day, remember the night is similar to Hawaiian melody)

4. Barnyard
Heroes and Villains
Great Shape
OMP/YAMS (along with FB in a barnyard suite?)
Friday Night (workshop sounds featured with Barnyard at some point according to Jules Siegel?)

5. Old Master Painter/YAMS
H&V (The False Barnyard possibly - maybe these belonged in a Barnyard suite - similar imo)

6. Cabinessence
Worms
Mrs O'Leary's Cow (Who Ran The Iron Horse section sounds similar to me)

7. Wonderful
Vegetables (part 3 turns up reworked in the Smiley version of Wonderful)

8. Look/Song For Children
Good Vibrations

9. Child is father of the Man
Surf's Up (the coda as recorded in 72)
Little Bird (features trumpet from Child)

10. Surf's Up
Child is Father to the Man
Fall Breaks (woody woodpecker)

11. Great Shape
H&V
Barnyard
IWBA/FN (would Brian have put these pieces together at some point as in BWPS?)
Vegetables (Do A Lot to go with Great shape? - have heard this theory)

12. I Wanna Be Around/FN
Fire (According to Carol Kaye this may have been part 2 of Fire)
Great shape?
Barnyard? Siegel article
Do It Again (Woodshop sounds)

12. Vegetables
H&V
Wonderful
With Me Tonight (identical bass part in one of the Smile versions of WMT)
Great shape (Do A Lot possibly related) ?

13. Holidays
Wind Chimes (the tag of Holidays used on Smiley version)
Tones/Tune x (last part with slide guitar sounds similar to me but as this is supposedly Carl's song then maybe just coincidence)

14. Wind Chimes
Holidays
Can't Wait Too Long

15. Mrs O'Leary's Cow
H&V (intro)
Cabinessence (Who Ran the Iron Horse imo)

16. Fire
IWBA/FN (Carol Kaye)
Fall Breaks

17. Water chant
Love to say Da da
Cool Cool water

18. Love to say Da Da
Water Chant
Cool Cool Water
All Day

19. Good Vibrations
Look
Here Today

20. With Me Tonight (Smile version)
Vegetables

21.He Gives Speeches
She's Goin bald

22. Tones/Tune X
Holidays?

23. All Day
Love to say Dada
H&V - Wasn't All Day initially part of H&V?

Not sure about the Humble harv demo. Brian plays H&V and then says "here's another section". But it's not known if he meant H&V or the album.

I guess there is some ambiguity there but he plays pretty smoothly from the flutter tone into Great Shape so I'm inclined to think this is a demo of H&V and its different sections at this stage.

Both Heroes and Worms are connected to Wonderful (Smiley Smile version) due to the hey bop a rebop bridge (which is a Bicycle Rider theme variant).

Also, do a lot was part of Heroes at one point (the tag to Part 1 is do a lot/mama says).

Brian was demoing the new single, Heroes, for humble harv, so if he says "here's another section" that would be another section of Heroes, not the album presumably.  This is written up in LLVS where Brian plays harv Heroes and he says something like "that's going to be a smash."

Yea at that early point, presumably Barnyard and IIGS were a part of Heroes, which I think would have sounded pretty darn cool.  Kinda like a western/rural musical mosaic.  At some point before December, they branched out and became their own "songs".  I think IIGS might have been connected to Vega-Tables at some point, since they share that similar health and wellness theme.  Maybe something like IIGS as the verse, "Eat a Lot" as a chorus (I know the keys don't fit but Brian was recording lots of things in 3 different keys anyways, so he could have fixed that), then maybe the fade at the end of Vega-Tables from the box set.  I highly doubt that Brian would have just let IIGS stand alone as it is without making it a full song somehow. 

Take the above list at the beginning of this post, and you have the beginnings of an excellent 'mash-up', along the lines of the Beatles "Love"...If I had the time I would love to tackle that..

Wow, so the Humble harv demo songs were really all once part of H&V ?! It's certainly a logical step forward. GV was the pocket symphony, all based on one song. H&V in this early stage would have been something like a pocket opera, 10 songs combined in one in 3 minutes...oh yeah, I once heard talk about a 10 minutes edit and single A & B side, so...
This probably wasn't the idea, but this almost sounds like a overture to the album. After all the H&V segments became their own songs it's no wonder Brian had to pay full attention to the song.
At one point Brian played with the idea to have "Surf's Up" as B-Side. Man, the message of this single would have been perfect for the mid 60's. Side A the H&V sound collage and on side B the words of SU.

Thanks Bicycle Rider. I never thought of the hey bop a rebop bridge of Wonderful as a Bicycle Rider theme variant. Does that mean all the dit dit dit Heroes & Villlains sections on the GV Boxset Linnett mix are also Bicycle Rider theme variants as the Wonderful bridge sounds similar to those to me?

I had heard a fan mix that mixed the Do a Lot vocals over Tag to part 1 and it fits perfectly so I agree this must be the same piece of music.

Yeah some of those "dit dit dit" sections of H&V are a takeoff on Bicycle Rider too.  You can especially hear it when Al is doing his "ba, ba, ba ba ba ba", and Mike is doing that low "the heroes, the heroes, the heroes and villains" in a creepy voice.  In that Wonderful section though, you can hear the Bicycle Rider/H&V Chorus melody being played verbatim (of course, in a different key) on a piano.  Another place it can be found is the Vega-Tables tag on the box set.  Brian must've really liked that melody, since he put it so many places.  That, or maybe he couldn't decide where it belonged...probably more likely. 

Thanks Chris I'll have to give those sections another listen as I've never noticed the similarity.

How about the vocal link at the end of "H&V" which eventually resurfaced as the intro to "Goin On"?

I don't think I know this track. Which album's it on?

Its on KTSA; it's also track 23 on the 4th CD of the GV box set.

I never really noticed that before... i don't know if it was intentional though, but I can see your point.

So "Goin' On" was originally intended for SMILE? Man, I start to believe that Brian didn't write a single song after SMILE. I'm sure a H&V compilation reel with "Goin' On" on it will turn up someday. It was all written during SMILE.
"Saturday Morning In The City", "Night Blooming Jasmine", everything.

We're only talking about a 3 or 4 second link here, not the entire song.  Nonetheless, the harmony parts are identical, so Brian and/or the band must have known its origins.