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Title: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Rocker on September 26, 2017, 06:24:35 AM
Saw this on Brian's facebook site:

13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson in Costa Mesa, but she’s been denied U.S. visa

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/09/25/13-year-old-guitarist-from-kabul-invited-to-meet-beach-boys-brian-wilson-but-shes-been-turned-down-twice-for-u-s-visa/


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: JK on September 26, 2017, 06:40:04 AM
Following my initial angry outburst (wisely deleted), I just feel incredibly sad that things have come this far...   


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Amy B. on September 26, 2017, 07:47:02 AM
That's just really sad.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on September 26, 2017, 07:53:38 AM
I read Brian's FB post shortly after it went online. I was shocked by some of the comments, actually wishing ill for Brian for inviting the girl. Those comments have since been deleted. But most of the comments there are negative.
Ultimately the only way to bring peace is to engage in bridge building between different cultures. Bless Brian and Melinda for the gesture.
Probably the only way they can meet is to go to a neutral country that both can get to without problems. Perhaps the reason they wanted her to go to California was so that she could meet the Wilson family and have a nice California experience.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 26, 2017, 08:01:44 AM
Just so damn mean spirited..... :'(


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: joe_blow on September 26, 2017, 03:43:43 PM
People get denied visas all the time. I'm sure requests to meet Brian get denied all the time. Cheap political piece.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on September 26, 2017, 04:45:10 PM
This is the same girl from the video posted last month.
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,25412.msg618184.html#msg618184


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: ForHerCryingSoul on September 26, 2017, 06:43:54 PM
People get denied visas all the time. I'm sure requests to meet Brian get denied all the time. Cheap political piece.
Way to be a team player champ.  How would you feel if you were in a foreign land, thought you had the chance to meet Brian Wilson, and then found out you couldn't meet him because some randos in the White House decided that you were too much of a risk to fly to California?


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 26, 2017, 06:48:50 PM
People get denied visas all the time. I'm sure requests to meet Brian get denied all the time. Cheap political piece.
Way to be a team player champ.  How would you feel if you were in a foreign land, thought you had the chance to meet Brian Wilson, and then found out you couldn't meet him because some randos in the White House decided that you were too much of a risk to fly to California?


Exactly.

Sometimes I wish my stroke had finished off, because this country is getting really fucking ugly+


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 26, 2017, 07:04:09 PM
Nah, we you Billy!


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 26, 2017, 07:15:34 PM
People get denied visas all the time. I'm sure requests to meet Brian get denied all the time. Cheap political piece.

I'm unclear. Are you saying it's a good thing the visa was denied in this case?


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: SamMcK on September 26, 2017, 07:28:45 PM
There's a difference between being political and showing some basic human decency..




Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Pretty Funky on September 26, 2017, 08:13:23 PM
The cynic in me says things would be different if she was a swimsuit model.  ;)

Seriously though, what Brian needs is a direct link to Trump.

Paging Mike Love. :banana


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Rocker on September 28, 2017, 09:05:19 AM
I'm sure requests to meet Brian get denied all the time. Cheap political piece.


This was no request to visit Brian but an invitation by him and Melinda.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: joe_blow on September 28, 2017, 12:18:41 PM
People get denied visas all the time. I'm sure requests to meet Brian get denied all the time. Cheap political piece.
Way to be a team player champ.  How would you feel if you were in a foreign land, thought you had the chance to meet Brian Wilson, and then found out you couldn't meet him because some randos in the White House decided that you were too much of a risk to fly to California?


Exactly.
Well, probably not to happy. So because I want to do something the laws should be bent to accommodate me? You disagree with a point and have to add name calling as well. Sad.
Sometimes I wish my stroke had finished off, because this country is getting really fucking ugly+


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: ForHerCryingSoul on September 28, 2017, 01:27:11 PM
Well, probably not to happy. So because I want to do something the laws should be bent to accommodate me? You disagree with a point and have to add name calling as well. Sad.
I only added "champ" to emphasize the point that I think you were in the minority opinion on this one, I did not mean to personally insult you.  Sorry.

As for your point of having the laws bent to accommodate you/me, I guess we have to agree to disagree with that.  I will ask, do you at least sympathize/empathize with the young lady in the article?


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: joe_blow on September 28, 2017, 01:46:40 PM
Well, probably not to happy. So because I want to do something the laws should be bent to accommodate me? You disagree with a point and have to add name calling as well. Sad.
I only added "champ" to emphasize the point that I think you were in the minority opinion on this one, I did not mean to personally insult you.  Sorry.

As for your point of having the laws bent to accommodate you/me, I guess we have to agree to disagree with that.  I will ask, do you at least sympathize/empathize with the young lady in the article?
Oh, I was just barking at you. I guess champ isn't such a bad name. I guess I could sympathize with the girl wanting to meet Brian. How about that! An almost civil exchange!!!


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Cabinessenceking on September 28, 2017, 02:08:37 PM
Scandalous. Not only for the visa thing (which to some extent can be understood given circumstances I'm not familiar with), however when alleged Beach Boys fans who allegedly support Brian Wilson and most likely sing along to the song "Love and Mercy" at his concerts, when they take to threatening Brian or his invited guest, then they are the scum of this Earth.


And we all know they voted Trump. Despicable, racist, mouth-breathing imbeciles and dotards the whole lot of them.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on September 28, 2017, 02:19:37 PM
People get denied visas all the time. I'm sure requests to meet Brian get denied all the time. Cheap political piece.

Nail on the head


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: joe_blow on September 28, 2017, 04:13:14 PM
Scandalous. Not only for the visa thing (which to some extent can be understood given circumstances I'm not familiar with), however when alleged Beach Boys fans who allegedly support Brian Wilson and most likely sing along to the song "Love and Mercy" at his concerts, when they take to threatening Brian or his invited guest, then they are the scum of this Earth.


And we all know they voted Trump. Despicable, racist, mouth-breathing imbeciles and dotards the whole lot of them.
Not sure I get your post's meaning but but calling people racist without evidence loses you the argument.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: wild neon sins on September 28, 2017, 05:26:06 PM
just been reading that comments thread on Brian's facebook.  >:( >:(

Bang goes the theory that it's only Mike's side of the fans that includes bigots.  :'(



Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 28, 2017, 07:18:31 PM
Scandalous. Not only for the visa thing (which to some extent can be understood given circumstances I'm not familiar with), however when alleged Beach Boys fans who allegedly support Brian Wilson and most likely sing along to the song "Love and Mercy" at his concerts, when they take to threatening Brian or his invited guest, then they are the scum of this Earth.


And we all know they voted Trump. Despicable, racist, mouth-breathing imbeciles and dotards the whole lot of them.
Not sure I get your post's meaning but but calling people racist without evidence loses you the argument.

Yeah. Just because they voted for a racist who has racists in his cabinet doesn't meant that THEY are racists! Actually I'm only half joking as I do know people who voted for him that aren't racist,  but it's hard not to lump everybody together when they support the KKK -endorsed president

But this just veered into sandbox territory. ...


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 28, 2017, 07:25:51 PM
just been reading that comments thread on Brian's facebook.  >:( >:(

Bang goes the theory that it's only Mike's side of the fans that includes bigots.  :'(



Yeah I saw some of that and got so angry I threw my phone down. I thought I broke it but it's working, so what the sh*t, right?

I'm a tolerant person, but I am VERY prejudiced. ..can't stand racists or homophobes,  or child molesters for that matter. I'd string 'em up and beat the holy hell out of them. Oh, someone committed a hate crime? Let me at them, I'll show them what hate really is.

Oh, and I'm not too fond of cockroaches,  either. Or Andrew Doe...guess that's the same thing,  though.

But yeah, other than that, I'm tolerant.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on September 28, 2017, 07:27:48 PM
Some choice comments from Brian's Facebook page.

"WHY DAM GUYS she a terrorist , that gittar is loaded with c-4 and a timed detonater just waiting for a lonely service man to touch it off , next line of crap please"

"What if this girl is simply a terror plot to kill Brian Wilson? I'm sorry, but I'm not sure if people from Kabul use "Love & Mercy" as inspirational music. I'm not political, but at the same time I don't buy this."

"Sorry. Maybe later. Or hes rich he can go there. PS this is a bs agenda as its the same plan as Obama."

"sure let her come visit... so her parents can blow up an airport or a train station"

But this isn't about racism at all, right?


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 28, 2017, 07:29:35 PM
Some choice comments from Brian's Facebook page.

"WHY DAM GUYS she a terrorist , that gittar is loaded with c-4 and a timed detonater just waiting for a lonely service man to touch it off , next line of crap please"

"What if this girl is simply a terror plot to kill Brian Wilson? I'm sorry, but I'm not sure if people from Kabul use "Love & Mercy" as inspirational music. I'm not political, but at the same time I don't buy this."

"Sorry. Maybe later. Or hes rich he can go there. PS this is a bs agenda as its the same plan as Obama."

"sure let her come visit... so her parents can blow up an airport or a train station"

But this isn't about racism at all, right?

Fucking hell.


I think this is going to be a Sandbox thread soon, but the people that posted those comments have a special spot in hell waiting for them.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: ericxplackis on September 29, 2017, 04:12:56 AM
Some choice comments from Brian's Facebook page.

"WHY DAM GUYS she a terrorist , that gittar is loaded with c-4 and a timed detonater just waiting for a lonely service man to touch it off , next line of crap please"

"What if this girl is simply a terror plot to kill Brian Wilson? I'm sorry, but I'm not sure if people from Kabul use "Love & Mercy" as inspirational music. I'm not political, but at the same time I don't buy this."

"Sorry. Maybe later. Or hes rich he can go there. PS this is a bs agenda as its the same plan as Obama."

"sure let her come visit... so her parents can blow up an airport or a train station"

But this isn't about racism at all, right?

This is embarrassing.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: JK on September 29, 2017, 04:49:54 AM
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Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on September 29, 2017, 10:40:54 AM
The irony of liberals grouping together all Trump supporters racist, especially when Hillary was affiliated with KKK leaders, is hysterical


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: the captain on September 29, 2017, 10:45:43 AM
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Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 29, 2017, 10:49:06 AM
JK has a nice sandbox! ;D


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: HeyJude on September 29, 2017, 11:15:36 AM
The irony of liberals grouping together all Trump supporters racist, especially when Hillary was affiliated with KKK leaders, is hysterical

Please take this s**t to the sandbox.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: joe_blow on September 29, 2017, 02:58:15 PM
Scandalous. Not only for the visa thing (which to some extent can be understood given circumstances I'm not familiar with), however when alleged Beach Boys fans who allegedly support Brian Wilson and most likely sing along to the song "Love and Mercy" at his concerts, when they take to threatening Brian or his invited guest, then they are the scum of this Earth.


And we all know they voted Trump. Despicable, racist, mouth-breathing imbeciles and dotards the whole lot of them.
Not sure I get your post's meaning but but calling people racist without evidence loses you the argument.

Yeah. Just because they voted for a racist who has racists in his cabinet doesn't meant that THEY are racists! Actually I'm only half joking as I do know people who voted for him that aren't racist,  but it's hard not to lump everybody together when they support the KKK -endorsed president

But this just veered into sandbox territory. ...

How is Trump a racist. Is there any evidence? Did you see who he helped yesterday? Probably not, as CNN or MSNB won't bother with it. Take some time to find out. When he condemned the KKK did you hear it? When he bought a resort and changed the rules to allow minorities in was it well publicized? Actually it was, because this was done before he was a Republican.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 29, 2017, 03:14:13 PM
Scandalous. Not only for the visa thing (which to some extent can be understood given circumstances I'm not familiar with), however when alleged Beach Boys fans who allegedly support Brian Wilson and most likely sing along to the song "Love and Mercy" at his concerts, when they take to threatening Brian or his invited guest, then they are the scum of this Earth.


And we all know they voted Trump. Despicable, racist, mouth-breathing imbeciles and dotards the whole lot of them.
Not sure I get your post's meaning but but calling people racist without evidence loses you the argument.

Yeah. Just because they voted for a racist who has racists in his cabinet doesn't meant that THEY are racists! Actually I'm only half joking as I do know people who voted for him that aren't racist,  but it's hard not to lump everybody together when they support the KKK -endorsed president

But this just veered into sandbox territory. ...

How is Trump a racist. Is there any evidence? Did you see who he helped yesterday? Probably not, as CNN or MSNB won't bother with it. Take some time to find out. When he condemned the KKK did you hear it? When he bought a resort and changed the rules to allow minorities in was it well publicized? Actually it was, because this was done before he was a Republican.

Sure took him a good while to condemn them, though.

but in any case...here are some examples...

1) Trump implied that the federal judge presiding over a class action against the for-profit Trump University, could not fairly hear the case because of his Mexican heritage.

(exact quote follows)“He’s a Mexican,” Trump told CNN . “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.” FYI: the judge in question is  an American citizen who was born in Indiana.

2)sued in 1973 by the Justice Dept for racial discrimination, and settled...only to have the same thing happen 3 years later

3) Some of the language used: Virtually every time Trump mentions a minority group, he uses the definite article "the", as in “the Hispanics,” “the Muslims” and “the blacks.”

4) Of course the proposed banning of any one of Muslim descent from entering the US, but we knew that already...


But if he himself actually truly is not a racist, at the very least he is extremely ignorant


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on September 29, 2017, 06:36:06 PM
The irony of liberals grouping together all Trump supporters racist, especially when Hillary was affiliated with KKK leaders, is hysterical

Wow, you are just fucking stupid to believe that.  Who did you hear that from?  Alex Jones, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh???

And joe blow, you're just blindly ignorant and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with your bullshit.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: joe_blow on September 29, 2017, 09:40:01 PM
Scandalous. Not only for the visa thing (which to some extent can be understood given circumstances I'm not familiar with), however when alleged Beach Boys fans who allegedly support Brian Wilson and most likely sing along to the song "Love and Mercy" at his concerts, when they take to threatening Brian or his invited guest, then they are the scum of this Earth.


And we all know they voted Trump. Despicable, racist, mouth-breathing imbeciles and dotards the whole lot of them.
Not sure I get your post's meaning but but calling people racist without evidence loses you the argument.

Yeah. Just because they voted for a racist who has racists in his cabinet doesn't meant that THEY are racists! Actually I'm only half joking as I do know people who voted for him that aren't racist,  but it's hard not to lump everybody together when they support the KKK -endorsed president

But this just veered into sandbox territory. ...

How is Trump a racist. Is there any evidence? Did you see who he helped yesterday? Probably not, as CNN or MSNB won't bother with it. Take some time to find out. When he condemned the KKK did you hear it? When he bought a resort and changed the rules to allow minorities in was it well publicized? Actually it was, because this was done before he was a Republican.

Sure took him a good while to condemn them, though.
Not as long as it took Obama to condemn black killers of white Dallas cops because of their race...actually we're still waiting to hear from Obama on that.

but in any case...here are some examples...

1) Trump implied that the federal judge presiding over a class action against the for-profit Trump University, could not fairly hear the case because of his Mexican heritage.
Mexacan is not a race.

(exact quote follows)“He’s a Mexican,” Trump told CNN . “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.” FYI: the judge in question is  an American citizen who was born in Indiana.

2)sued in 1973 by the Justice Dept for racial discrimination, and settled...only to have the same thing happen 3 years later
so guilty?

3) Some of the language used: Virtually every time Trump mentions a minority group, he uses the definite article "the", as in “the Hispanics,” “the Muslims” and “the blacks.”
Right, and your point? I haven't heard that. On July 6th :“many fabulous people come in from Mexico and our country is better for it. But these people are here legally, and are severely hurt by those coming in illegally. I am proud to say that I know many hard working Mexicans—many of them are working for and with me…and, just like our country, my organization is better for it. […] I have great respect for Mexico and love their people and their peoples’ great spirit.”

4) Of course the proposed banning of any one of Muslim descent from entering the US, but we knew that already...
Are Muslims a race? How can you come from Muslim decent?


But if he himself actually truly is not a racist, at the very least he is extremely ignorant
Says one who thinks Mexicans are Muslims are races.

Cue bass solo


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 29, 2017, 09:57:39 PM
Sigh...

I know "Mexican" is not a race; My last name is Castillo.   It is true that Muslims are not a race. The word “Muslim” itself connects to followers of Islam, a world religion — not a “race.” Muslims are a diverse religious grouping, just like people of Mexican heritage are just one part of the hispanic race. Racism is no longer about race (skin color) but culture. People are  discriminated against not (simply) because of the color of their skin (or other phenotypes) but because of their beliefs and practices associated with some “imagined culture.” But I think you knew that already.

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Not as long as it took Obama to condemn black killers of white Dallas cops because of their race...actually we're still waiting to hear from Obama on that.
I didn't vote for Obama...nice of you to immediately jump to conclusions. I never brought him up, so why did you? Hmmm...if you can jump to conclusions, so can I. If it was Obama saying the same things about white people, would you be okay with it? I have a feeling you wouldn't, a rather strong feeling.

But, I get it though. Gotta keep that dixie pride going


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: wilsonart1 on September 30, 2017, 04:32:34 AM
Wow! you family out and about are being rough on one another.  Wilson's music seemed to bring a special sprit, place to my self. Always hoped it did the same to others. I enjoy when I find others that get that same feeling and thought/hoped these rooms would be a melting pot for this.  Good to have a chat , a few words,. both sides or several sides all have plenty of fire in them. It's to bad we can't trade and purchase items on line, it would give us better things to do in here. Time to run , my enemy a male black bear is wrecking the bird feeder. Fatting up for his winter sleep at my expense. Things could be worse.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 30, 2017, 05:42:45 AM
EDIT


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Wata on September 30, 2017, 06:15:48 AM
Some choice comments from Brian's Facebook page.

"WHY DAM GUYS she a terrorist , that gittar is loaded with c-4 and a timed detonater just waiting for a lonely service man to touch it off , next line of crap please"

"What if this girl is simply a terror plot to kill Brian Wilson? I'm sorry, but I'm not sure if people from Kabul use "Love & Mercy" as inspirational music. I'm not political, but at the same time I don't buy this."

"Sorry. Maybe later. Or hes rich he can go there. PS this is a bs agenda as its the same plan as Obama."

"sure let her come visit... so her parents can blow up an airport or a train station"

But this isn't about racism at all, right?
Awful. These are completely stupid ideas. They're something I've hoped never to see on BB-related topics.


Title: Re: 13-year-old guitarist from Kabul invited to meet Beach Boys’ Brian Wilson
Post by: Cabinessenceking on September 30, 2017, 11:56:23 AM
The irony of liberals grouping together all Trump supporters racist, especially when Hillary was affiliated with KKK leaders, is hysterical

Well then you should've cast a blank ballot of boycotted the elections! At least not vote for Trump, dummy.