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I asked if this was true on PSF and many people there said it was fake.

It's You're So Good To Me and Lonely Sea performed by the Beatles during the Get Back sessions.

This video: https://youtu.be/v74MCftQ0xM (https://youtu.be/v74MCftQ0xM)

Do you think it's true, or is it just a fake?

fake fake fake fake fake  ::)

actually this IS them and it is real....this is a well known bootleg recording ,,,of course it is just jamming like most of the Get Back sessions and it has bits of "two of us" on it ..and even if it wasn't a well known bootleg recording it's pretty obvious that it IS The Beatles based on their voices alone but also  it is very consistent with the other known Get Back stuff..

And this site confirms it,,, ;D

https://www.beatlesbible.com/features/get-back-let-it-be-sessions-complete-song-list/

ok Groucho, after a relisten, yeap, does sound genuine.
i've changed my mind  :lol

Yes, the recording is real.

It has been eons since I listened to all those scraps of the "Get Back" sessions, but between my recollection and what others eventually deduced, I think it's likely that while their rattling off of a bit of "You're So Good To Me" is most certainly the BB song (it sounds like it starts out as a riff and then eventually George places where it came from and starts mumbling the melody of the song), while "Lonely Sea" may just be a case of doing a similar riff/series of chords as the BB song. I tend to doubt any of the band were super familiar with that song.

I'm guessing George may have only had some level of familiarity with "You're So Good to Me" because it had been the b-side of "Sloop John B" that had been a #2 hit in the UK less than three years prior.

They noodled on so many things during those sessions, there are still debates about a few of the songs in question. It went back and forth numerous times on whether that Paul piano bit heard at the beginning of the "Let It Be" film is an actual attempt to play Barber's "Adagio for Strings" or just some noodling influenced by it.

Maybe they saw Girls on the Beach film which features the Lonely Sea and became familiar with it.

Certainly anything is possible. But just from a guitar player/musical standpoint, that arpeggio and chord progression is common enough it could literally be *nothing*, and it just sounds like "Lonely Sea."

I couldn't begin to guess as to whether the Beatles would have been into the Frankie & Annette knock-off film "Girls on the Beach", but in general it's always good to remember that the Beatles' interest in the Beach Boys mainly applies to only Paul, tends to apply mostly to Paul's interest in *Brian*, and tends to apply mostly to "Pet Sounds." Howie Edelson has also mentioned he feels McCartney was also influenced by "Sunflower" (I wish Paul then would comment on it somewhere somehow). In any event, McCartney's interest in Brian and the BBs seems to be mainly confined to a pretty small hunk of the BB catalog. The Beatles surely had passing familiarity with the hits from back in the day.

Interesting. I will have to give them a listen as soon as I can dismiss my 7th grade band.  :lol

Someone is actually singing recognizable lyrics from "You're So Good to Me" in that clip. Don't think that one's particularly debatable.

Interesting. Always heard they had done "You're So Good To Me" but hadn't heard the actual recording before. What's never been mentioned, though it is evident here, is that from YSGTM they got a riff that ended up in Two of Us. That was a real strength of The Beatles that they could take from other sources but instantly tweak it into something else so that it became uniquely their own.

Awesome.

It would be interesting to hear someone try to sing Two of Us over the backing track of YSGTM.

Hahaha people thinking this is fake, what, The Beatles are too good to get inspired by The Beach Boys throughout their -entire- career? sorry, but they were massive fans all along:

"(John) Lennon's enthusiasm is evident in his reaction to the Beach Boys single "Little Girl I Once Knew" (November, 1965): "This is the greatest! Turn it up, turn it right up. It's GOT to be a hit. It's the greatest record I've heard for weeks. It's fantastic. I hope it will be a hit. It's all Brian Wilson. He just uses the voices as instruments. He never tours or anything. He just sits at home thinking up fantastic arrangements our of his head. Doesn't even read music. You keep waiting for the fabulous breaks. Great arrangement. It goes on and on with all different things. I hope it's a hit so I can hear it all the time."

What about the panting? The moaning?

I've heard that John blamed the Beach Boys in a certain interview around 1980. When did he change his mind?

 :lol

Great reference

It sounds more like the guitar riff George has formed for the song reminds him of some other song, which in turn then reminds him of "You're So Good To Me."

The original up-tempo version of "Two of Us" didn't have the riff; it evolved after they slowed the song down and applied acoustic guitars to it, etc. George was then left essentially doing a pseudo-bass riff through the song on his guitar, and I believe by the time "You're So Good To Me" is rattled off (for a brief moment really), he had already been doing the riff as they rehearsed the song. More a case of being reminded of one or more other songs based on what they had been doing.

I don't think they were jamming on "You're So Good To Me" and then had the idea to apply its riff (which isn't even really the same riff they ended up using, only have some level of similarity) to a song they were doing.

Very cool Lennon quote.

I don't think anybody is saying the Beatles were "too good" to be inspired by the Beach Boys. I do think some BB fans have a hangup and/or a bit of a defensive inferiority complex when it comes to the Beatles (how many threads over the years have floated unfounded theories like Derek Taylor "slipping" the Beatles "Smile" tapes, etc.?).

Were the Beatles *massive* fans of the Beach Boys "all along?" I guess it depends on how one defines "massive." I've said many times that McCartney was only member who regularly even brought Brian and the BBs up (I've tallied so far one instance I can find where Harrison and Lennon even say the band's name; I would imagine there are more, but they may number very few), and McCartney pretty much always cites specifically "Pet Sounds" and even then only a few key tracks on the album.

I think John especially (and perhaps to some degree George) respected Paul's musical tastes to the point where they wouldn't have ever downplayed Brian's talent and importance. They must have known Brian was one of very few actual peers they had in popular music at the time. They also were listening to the radio and the charts enough to be familiar with the Beach Boys to some degree.

But I'd probably have trouble calling anybody other than Paul a "massive Beach Boys fan." Just like I probably wouldn't say Paul was a "massive Ravi Shankar" fan even if I understood that Paul respected and enjoyed Shankar's work and gave weight to George being so into him.

The world was smaller in the 60s. Less music. You didn't have to be a BBs super fan to know them. They were part of the landscape for everyone.

I've also said quite a few times that there were reports beyond McCartney and the Pet Sounds instances where various Beatles were talking about the Beach Boys music and how they were fans, before Pet Sounds. Read journalist Larry Kane's book, for one, which is a diary of the 64 and 65 tours especially, when Kane accompanied the band on those tours as a young reporter and struck up a friendship with them. There are mentions of both George and Ringo, I can check for specifics, talking about the Beach Boys on various legs of those tours and meeting up with them when they were both in the same city on a tour stop. So it wasn't just McCartney.

Keep in mind that Paul was gonna be in the "Do It Again" music video, but it didn't end up coming through. Which obviously may have helped it become an even bigger hit if that had been the case.

Come on man, add up every references the Beatles did to the Beach Boys over their entire career, it's pretty obvious they were fans all along, yeah the Beach Boys put California on the map and invented new music, but still.


Is there any source or actual quote on that? never heard of it

To me, the issue isn't so much whether we can dig up an instance where the individual Beatles mentioned the BBs. It would be really weird if there weren't some examples.

But, over the years, apart from mostly McCartney and mostly PS, I didn't hear all of them continuously citing Brian and the BBs either as an influence or even just mentioning admiration. It doesn't mean they didn't all admire Brian and the BBs. It doesn't mean there was never any shred of influence. It just doesn't then necessarily rise to the level of major influence or all of the individual members being massive fans.

Howie Edelson put it eloquently in an old post, which first set to address the weird myth that the Beatles were slipped "Smile" tapes, which I realize isn't the topic at hand, but then also goes into the heart of where the Beatles and Beach Boys met:

With all due respect, this is such a dumb topic. And really, shame on those who’ve mislead or blindly perpetrated this myth -- which is all connected to the hangup that The Beach Boys weren’t The Beatles and that Brian Wilson wasn’t Lennon/McCartney. It all stems from fan hangups. (e.g. My team was robbed of the pennant!)

Knowing what I know about Paul McCartney and The Beatles I can honestly say, that as much as McCartney loved Pet Sounds and Brian Wilson’s work, he really only had a passing interest in it. The same as Lennon had with Dylan. It was a case of “Wow, this is my peer. One of my ONLY peers. They get it, too.” But Paul McCartney had so much magic pouring out of him in 1966/1967, that he didn’t need to crib ideas -- and as we all know, he’s gone on record stating he wasn’t so hot on “Good Vibrations.”

The only artist Paul McCartney was ever chomping at the bit to hear their new works was John Lennon.
And that’s that.

Fair enough - I was probably mishearing.

I'd be curious to know what other fans, especially BB fans, feel are direct references in Beatles material to the Beach Boys. There are certainly some broad areas (McCartney's bass lines), some instrumentation on things like Pepper, "Here There and Everywhere", and a few items that amount almost to pastiche ("Back in the USSR", a little bit on McCartney's "Vintage Clothes").

Howie Edelson likes to point out some nods to "Sunflower" in "Ram" if we want to go more into the solo years. I hear the references, though I'm also curious if McCartney has ever actually gone on record talking about "Sunflower" in any interviews.

But I've never felt the Beatles catalog or their solo years were just jam-packed with Beach Boys/Brian references, especially compared to all of their other contemporary or recent-past influences at any given time.

Does that include Harrison putting two Beach Boys singles in his jukebox in 1966? I don't think that makes him a massive fan, but given that they accounted for 1/20th of his choices suggests he was certainly a fan.

I agree with your point about the defensive inferiority complex.

It's tough, especially with George gone. Dhani Harrison recently inducted ELO in the R&R Hall of Fame and mentioned that his Dad was a huge ELO fan. But, back before George met Jeff Lynne, was George really a *huge* ELO fan? Even in the Jeff Lynne/ELO "Mr. Blue Sky" documentary, George's wife Olivia says George had "Telephone Line" in his jukebox and kind if seems to imply that was the extent of his ELO fandom for the most part. Does having a single or two of a band in his jukebox make him a major, massive fan?

Whether right or wrong, I'd wager every member of the Beach Boys listened to every single one of the Beatles albums released between 1962 (or 64 for the US) and 1970. Every Beatles album. Whereas, I'm not 100% certain Ringo or George ever tracked "20/20" or "Surfin' Safari." The Beatles were just on a unique level, and I'd guess that everybody in the Beach Boys barring *possibly* Mike Love would admit as such.

And with great respect to Mr. Edelson, but The Beatles were cribbing ideas constantly - from contemporaries and from rock and roll heroes. That didn't make their work any less magical though.

The term "cribbing" may or may not imply certain things to certain people, but of course, the Beatles used many influences. I don't tend to think the Beach Boys or Brian were at the top of such a list, especially outside of McCartney. I'm sure both bands referenced Chuck Berry more than they referenced each other.

Howie's point in that old post was in specific reference to the idea that Derek Taylor slipped them "Smile" tapes and that they cribbed unreleased "Smile" ideas to make "Sgt. Pepper." And that's an asinine idea for about ten different reasons, including the fact that McCartney was as, if not more prolific in this time frame than Brian was, to say nothing of the scant amount of "Smile" ideas that seem to permeate "Sgt. Pepper", not to mention that research shows it was logistically likely impossible for Taylor to get the tapes to the Beatles.

Yeah, again, I think that Harrison would place a lot of artists ahead of The Beach Boys. But, also, The Beatles were all (maybe not as much Ringo) voracious music listeners and even though their allegiance was to, say, the 1956-1962 era, they still listened to a tremendous amount of contemporary music throughout the whole 60s and beyond. Probably George the most. So, I wouldn't be too surprised if he heard an album like 20/20.

Well by references i meant like, in overall like the connections, not just that the Beach Boys had over the Beatles which many people has already enough stated, but more so on how the Beatles over the Beach Boys, for like example that Lennon quote i brought  up praising Brian and his work, oddly enough another proof of the admiration that i have NEVER seen anyone mentioned, so that speaks volume yeah.

Yeah, I can't speak to any specific album. It's totally possible. But the main headline is that neither George Harrison nor John Lennon (nor really even McCartney) were voraciously eating up BB/Brian material the way Brian and most everybody was consuming Beatles material. It just wasn't a reciprocal relationship in that way. Which is fine.

Harrison couldn't even name which albums which Beatles songs were on in subsequent years.  :lol

Yes, I agree with all that.

To be perfectly honest, I've seen that Lennon quote before about "Little Girl" and I doubt it being a real one. It seems that everyone and his mother has a story about Lennon praising their song or favourite artist in the 1960s.

One other point though to add to this is that by 1968, McCartney was still naming The Beach Boys among his 3 favourite bands, something he was doing as far back as 1966. So I do think they loomed large for him for a couple of years at least.

Quote is from the book "The Beatles as Musicians: The Quarry Men through Rubber Soul" by Walter Everett, page 276, apparently it originally comes from "Beatles Monthly Magazine/1965 Christmas Extra", surely there's some hardcore fans who has that original copy that can confirm, sounds like an ellaborated hoax from source to source if it is if you ask me tho, it's not like this is the only time Lennon or the Beatles mentioned Beach Boys in any form, so yeah.

Probably accurate then. Thanks for that.

No worries! and i know this is the internet but by no means i intend to sound any aggressive.

I'm glad the Lennon quote opened this conversation cause there seems to be more i havn't heard of before, as the Do It Again story.

Which apparently that song is more popular than i thought, since i read it was mostly a UK hit, but at the Seattle show Sunday a lady from the past generation said how much she loved that song back in the day, i was very happy for her knowing they were gonna play it :)

Oh, you didn't at all. I didn't intend to either.

I also find this conversation fascinating. One of my interests over the last five years or so has been to try and figure out the sort of music that The Beatles were listening to and how it may have influenced their own work. Mark Lewisohn's book is certainly helpful in this regard but, for now, that only goes up to 1962.

I don't know, i mean i know The Beach Boys were like top 3 biggest mouvement ever, but to me, it's still surprising that the guys would jam on You're So Good To Me in the late 60's, you know? wasn't music fast consuming back then? well it probably is worst today but i mean so many big names coming up and evolving styles, especially through the 60's going from pop act to psychedelic era, and with that the Beach Boys kinda in a rough time commercially?

Like, the fact they still played on that song is kind of a testament to me in how they actually legit appreciated it and still inspired by it, which contradicts the talk on how the inspiration of Pet Sounds was just a phase.

Let alone with all the rest and mention of the Beach Boys they kept bringing up, inspiration or collaboration years later..

I suppose my foot is in both camps. I do think that some tend to overestimate the role that the Beach Boys played for The Beatles. That said, the pendulum can swing too far the other way. What's unquestionable is that at the very least John, Paul, and George were fans. Thanks to your source, we see John praising "Little Girl" in late 65. By early 66, that song along with Let Him Run Wild are part of George Harrison's jukebox. By the Revolver press conference, Paul was naming the band as one of his personal favourites. Flash forward two years later, and he names them among his top 3 favourite contemporary acts along with Nilsson and The Lovin' Spoonful. So, yes, The Beach Boys were among the Beatles favourite contemporary bands.

With that in mind, though, I would say that their real go-to music throughout this period would have still been the classic rock and roll sound and R&B. They liked a few contemporary white bands, but their bread and butter was largely classic rock and roll and R&B.

As a Seinfeld fanatic I couldn't resist!   ;D

I hear a major Beach Boys influence on the "Ram" album,, maybe Sunflower...it has the synths and the harmonies that are similar to what they were doing at the time, McCartney II could be his "Love You"..