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-were announced this morning:

Pearl Jam
Jane's Addiction
Bad Brains
MC5
Journey
Yes
Tupac Shakur
Depeche Mode
Electric Light Orchestra
Janet Jackson
The Cars
The Zombies
Chaka Khan
Chic
J. Geils Band
Joan Baez
Joe Tex
Kraftwerk
Steppenwolf

Pearl Jam, Tupac, Jane's Addiction, Bad Brains are first-time nominees.

My choice for induction:

Steppenwolf
J. Geils Band
Joe Tex
The Zombies
ELO

My guess is that the likely inductees though are:

Pearl Jam
Tupac
Depeche Mode
Jane's Addiction
ELO

Joe Tex! Definitely, he has deserved that more than many others....


Just as have Jan&Dean btw.... ::)

My gut is ELO won't make it in, at least not yet. I think they finally made the nomination list because of Jeff Lynne's renewed popularity/visibility/hip factor.

But if or when ELO gets inducted, it would be interesting and potentially awkward. Jeff hasn't worked with any other former members other than Richard Tandy since 1986.

I would have to assume they would at least include Lynne, Tandy, and Bevan in the induction, and should probably include other members like Mik Kaminski, Kelly Groucutt (posthumously), and others.

But I can't picture Lynne performing with the other guys. *Maybe* Bev Bevan.

ELO
Tupac
Journey
Depeche Mode
The Cars

would be my choices.

I always have hopes that Yes will finally make it in, but they never make it. Here's my picks:
Yes
Pearl Jam
Journey (partially because I want to see Perry and Schon together again)
Cars
Steppenwolf

Id say
Steppenwolf
Pearl jam
Journey
ELO
2pac

Hard to limit it to five!

For the record, my daughter's top 5 favorite bands are : BB, ELO, Journey, Fleetwood Mac, and Tears for Fears, with the Cars at a close #6, so she's happy!

Where the field of nominees goes - Joan Baez has recorded comparatively little that qualifies as rock'n'roll, but if she were chosen, everybody would want to see if Dylan inducted her so that would get attention.

I'm thinking maybe I should have put Journey among the five likely choices because people sure want to see Steve with the band one last time and this looks like the one way to make that happen.  And I probably should knock ELO off that list because the Hall of Fame people prefer bands that can reunite in some way and it would take a lot of doing to put Jeff together with those guys again.

Despite all the conflict J. Geils himself has had with the rest of the band, I think there is a chance he'd get onstage with them if inducted, so maybe that improves their chances of being chosen.

As for Steppenwolf - of the surviving members of the classic lineups it's not easy to picture any of them except Goldy McJohn playing with John Kay now, so that may decrease the chances of the band's being chosen.

Again they snubbed both the Monkees and Jan and Dean....  >:(

And Three Dog Night.

I find the RR hall of fame so watered down now. Only a handful of nominees warrant nomination let alone induction. It's been like that for at least a decade if not longer. :(

They seem to be running out of people to induct. There are only so many from the "first wave" of Rock & Roll that haven't been inducted. Unless they induct every single "doo wop" and one hit wonder group. There are some people from the 60's that haven't been inducted yet, like Steppenwolf, The Zombies, Jan & Dean, Three Dog Night, etc. I guess they could induct all the blues artists of the 1920's-1940's, but you could make an argument to not induct them just like I could make an argument not to induct people like Tupac. It's looking more and more like "The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame" should change it's name to "The Music Hall of Fame".

Its biased as hell

Agreed...it is a travesty that someone like Brian Eno has not been inducted yet.

Or fear to stop. ;)

I also think that as times gone by the nominating committee has moved in a more populist direction. Big bands like kiss and Bon Jovi get the nod over influential bands with less commercial success in America like the jam and the smiths and siouxsie and the banshees.

It would be interesting if they decided to start inducting bands like The Mentors, The Fartz, 10 Minute Warning, etc.  ;D

I think it's absolutely disgraceful that yes has not been inducted. The reasons, the official reasons I have seen from the Hall of Fame is that they turned their back on the roots of American blues music. I find that to be absolutely ridiculous and absurd. One of the many pinheads at the hall of fame must have some personal grudge against yes. I believe that a meaningless band like Rush was actually inducted which shows the abysmal level of taste at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

I think Yes should be in, but no way in hell do I consider Rush to be a meaningless band. Just my opinion, though.

Considering that everyone likes to mention that they were the first group to use the term "heavy metal" in music I'm amazed that Steppenwolf isn't in the Hall of Fame yet.

I think everybody's head would explode if we spent too much time trying to figure out actual tangible, logical reasons for why the R&R HOF makes the decisions they do.

It's pretty clear the main criteria are: Politics (who the Jann Wenner crew likes or doesn't like), recognizable bands that will get people to watch the HOF induction show in person or on TV, and mitigating bad publicity as much as they can.

I really wish more people would truly protest this thing. It's an inherently ridiculous setup even if it wasn't crooked, and even more so because of course it is crooked.

I dig "Yes", though I probably only regularly listen to like five of their songs. But of course they should be in there. Just Chris Squire's bass playing, Anderson's singing, and "Roundabout" alone justify them being there. They're a huge piece of the whole prog rock puzzle.

I'm not a huge "Rush" fan, but of course they should be in there too. The number of nerdy musicians who regularly cite being into "Rush" alone probably justifies them being there.

Rather than the process being so arbitrary, the thing should be more inclusive. Not so much that it would lose all meaning. But if an artist or band is clearly good at what they do, achieved a good level of success and/or *clearly* was a trailblazer and/or influential, let them in.

They should just be inducting *more* artists, not less. It's obviously not really a "Rock and Roll" HOF anymore; it's pretty much just "Popular Music" HOF.

if grandmaster flash and the furious 5 are in the HOF and the monkees arent  :lol
cmon we all know its biased voted upon by what 7/8 'music execs' or rock hall board.....not by us the 'consumers'  ;)

i'm still waiting for the Dogs, the Jets, the Lonesome Two and Butter to get nominated.

Hopefully The Zombies will finally get in!

The Zombies are the last of the uninducted major British Invasion bands. Long overdue.

Steppenwolf had their moment of near-greatness (1968), but fizzled out too quickly to deserve induction, imo.

Journey? They've got to be kidding. Who next, Air Supply?

Pearl Jam in before the Replacements? Really?

The Cars : successful, had good songs, not quite HOF material.

Yes: yes.

ELO : important 70's band, great sound, some great songs. Marginal, but yes.

Believe my fan vote was:
Zombies
Tupac
Kraftwerk
Pearl Jam
Janet Jackson

http://observer.com/2016/10/the-2017-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-are-a-disgrace-to-music/

Article by Lovester champion Tim Sommer, in which he handicaps the chances of the nominees. I haven't checked to see if the odds he gives match what's being offered at Ladbrokes or in Vegas.

But he does make one very interesting point - any lineup of ELO inducted into the Hall of Fame would have to have the co-founders: Jeff, Bev....and Roy Wood.  Not least, because it was Roy who really came up with the basic ELO concept. I wonder if, for old time's sake, he'll step up to the podium in some variation of his vintage '70s garb.

Are you familiar with their pre-80s work?

Sadly, yes.

https://www.rockhall.com/vote

Be sure to vote everyone, hopefully we can finally get The Zombies in!

Thanks to Peter Guralnick for this shout-out to Joe Tex!

This is an act of pure advocacy.

Solomon Burke, Wilson Pickett, Otis Redding, Joe Tex – what do these four all have in common? Well, they were all charter members of the near-mythic (no, I mean really mythic, as in “some mythic creature”) Soul Clan, who recorded just one side of one picture-sleeve 45 – without Otis, who had died, without Pickett, who had had an emotional flare-up – but were conceived by Solomon, in typical Solomonic fashion, as a force that might have changed the world. Well, they did – with their music. And three of them are enshrined in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Only Joe Tex, who is on the ballot this year for what well may be the last time, remains excluded.

The first time I saw Joe Tex he was on the same bill with Solomon and Otis (Solomon was the headliner) in a 1964 Soul Summer Shower of Stars, and he more than held his own. As an entertainer, who took great delight in his ability to give pleasure to his audience and in their evident delight with him.  As a songwriter and exemplar of mother wit, dispensing healthy dollops of good humor mixed in with sharp shards of his own earthy philosophy. (Check out songs like “Anything You Wanna Know” or “Grandma Mary” on his brilliant, entirely self-penned album, Buying a Book.) As an effortless performer, endlessly enchanting his audience with his easy onstage manner, lithe dancing, and microphone manipulations. Not for nothing was he known as the Dapper Rapper.

But in the end, what made Joe Tex an intrinsic member of the Soul Clan, dues paid up in full and in perpetuity, was his dedication to Deep Soul (think James Brown’s “Lost Someone,” Solomon’s “The Price,” Otis’s “These Arms of Mine”). Just listen to his breakthrough hit, “Hold What You’ve Got” or, for that matter, “The Love You Save,” self-written like nearly every one of his hits and much of his album material, and see if you can resist the pathos and deep-seated feeling at the heart of his music.

So I’m asking for your vote, the last vote left to us in this Year of Jeremiah (I wonder what Solomon would have to say about that): VOTE JOE TEX FOR THE ROCK & ROLL HALL OF FAME.

And now I’ll turn over the lectern to Brother Joe.





http://www.peterguralnick.com/post/153171606026/reunite-the-soul-clan-in-the-rock-roll-hall-of



Check this out:

Joe Tex Show - Part 1


The man was an incredible performer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBU9rtviKWc

I know one thing. 

If Eddie Vedder gets into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before Ronnie James Dio, then they might as well shut the whole f**king thing down. 

Looking through the past inductees I don't see Captain Beefheart or Gary Numan. H'mm.

I don't sign in anywhere these days but if I were to vote it would be for The Zombies, Kraftwerk, ELO, Yes and yes... Joe Tex!

That remark in the sign-in procedure ("I'm not a robot") looks silly since Kraftwerk are among next year's nominees...  

This morning the inductees were announced:
Tupac Shakur
Pearl Jam
Journey
Yes
ELO
Joan Baez

Well........Eddie Vedder got in before Ronnie James Dio. 

Putting in ELO and Yes is a step in the right direction.  Same with Journey.  I think the fan vote is overall a good thing, and Jann and his merry band of hipsters seem to at least be taking the fan vote to heart.

Steppenwolf should have been inducted 20 years ago.

You could actually make a HOF from the artists who've been snubbed by the HOF. 

True. You could do an entire HOF of some of the early(1940's-1950's) "Pioneers" who were around right at the start of what became known as "rock&roll".  But I guess that would fall under it's own category. I think that eventually the "Rock&Roll Hall of Fame" might have to change it's name to the "Music Hall of Fame". The fact that Jan&Dean aren't in the HOF isn't a shame, it's a downright insult.

If they're going to continue to induct rappers, they might as well change the name.   I shudder to think that, one day, we might see these posers with laptops who call themselves artists make it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame someday. 

Yeah, "rock and roll" refers to a very specific musical style. "Pop music" is a much wider umbrella term.

1) Yes, they should change the name, and should have actually been called the popular music hall of fame since day one.
2) Not everybody who makes music with a laptop is a poser

Brian Eno should be in as well.

Joan Baez was surprised she got in because she never considered herself a rock 'n roll artist. Yes, it should be called the Pop Hall of Fame.

However, if they did that it would set up an interesting dilemma: The reason Cleveland was chosen was because it was the home of the radio station that coined the term "Rock and Roll." You can be sure if it called itself the Pop Hall of Fame from the get-go it would not be in Cleveland. So if they changed the name, would they relocate it?

Good point, but I don't think they'd move it now. Probably WON'T change the name  because it's  "established" as the hall's name, and if there's one thing the industry loves, it's the establishment ::)

Maybe they're not all posers, but I'd never call them a musician either. 

Ok, I'll keep that in mind. I mean, sh*t, I've only been doing this 20 years. All this time I thought I was making music. Silly me...what was I making? Perhaps it was a fudge of some sort. Was it by chance a pound cake? No, maybe it had to do something with nuclear fusion. Gah, I don't know...all these music notes make me want to say I'm making music, but....that would make me a musician, and you just schooled me on that.

Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers.  Just my opinion. 

Still came off as an insult , though. You basically told me I'm not a musician, and yeah I take major offense to that.

 One thing about me...even if I don't like an artist's work, you will *never* see me accuse anybody of not having any talent. That's the most vile thing a musician (yes, I'm using that word) can say to another.

So here's a challenge... use your computer and install some music creation software. Record an album with it WITHOUT USING PRE-MADE LOOPS OR RIFFS. NO sampling other people's work, either (unless you're sampling ambient studio noise as opposed to any of the actual notes, to create the illusion of it being recorded at, say, Gold Star).  Then upload it somewhere. See if you make  a few hundred off of streams, or have one of the songs used in a commercial, or maybe someone like Matt Ward emails you saying he digs your sh*t and would like to collaborate (and then stupidly turn him down because your wife is pregnant and you don't think you can balance the two right then). Let me know how that works out for you, and THEN we can discuss who is and isn't a musician. You may find that it's not as easy as you think. Not only do you STILL have to have a knowledge of basic music theory, but you also have to be technologically savvy as well.

A musician is defined as "... a person who plays a musical instrument or is musically talented. Anyone who composes, conducts, or performs music may also be referred to as a musician." I may not currently play a musical instrument (even pre-stroke I lacked the dexterity to be anything more than middling on the bass), but anybody who tries to say I have no talent or is incapable of composing music is full of more sh*t than an overstuffed septic tank.

I never said it's not a skill / talent. 

I equate electronic music to NASCAR.  Sure, it's a skill and it's a competition, and it requires endurance.  But, are they athletes?  That's debatable.

 

I don't know...you called us "posers" . I don't know how else to take it. Maybe as a compliment meant ironically? ???




You may have a point for those who make their music entirely out of samples (or not), but to say those who actually do create the music from scratch and labor over it meticulously are not musicians, well, that a bit insulting. It's one thing to say they don't like something, but to question another's worth...let's just say I'll never ever understand the need for some people to put down others based on something that they don't get.  That'd be like me saying Baltimore Ravens fans are mouth-breeding knuckle-draggers who like to wear onesies and to be called Rebecca over and over again while they pleasure themselves, just because I don't particularly care for football. That'd be just as stupid and baseless. Pointless bashing ...just acting in an affected manner in order to impress others...which just so happens to be the definition of a poser. Huh. Imagine that.

Those who throw shade are destined to be living in it.


 I really should message Brian Eno and tell him  that he just got compared to Jeff Gordon. :lol

I'm very disappointed that The Zombies didn't get in.... but then, as John Lydon said the HOF is a piss stain  :lol

I suggest you do some research on electronic music before you shrug the creator's of it as "posers". I actually used to have the same opinion as you a few years ago. But after doing some research on YouTube on the different genres of electronic music, I was proven wrong. Working closely with Billy on his last album, and his upcoming album opened my eyes to the many possibilities and variations that can be used with electronic music. Believe me, electro music isn't just pounding  thumps.

And yes, it came across as an insult.

Trust me, posting my opinion on an internet forum is not in any way done so to try to impress people. 

I'm sorry if you personally took offense, but my opinion is my opinion. 

And believe me, I've heard all kinds of things said about Baltimore Ravens fans.  Do I really care?  No. 

If you're going to so something in a creative field, you shouldn't take any criticism of said field so personally. 

Happy Festivus.

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From this thread and the billboard BB Trump thingy, it's obvious we have one major fundamental difference..I have an issue when people are lumped in together (i.e. "ALL" people who like something are a certain way) and you do not. Point taken.

For the record, the Ravens thing was me being facetious....I even stated as such, that I was trying to prove a point on how lumping people together is ghastly and stupid.

One final word on this (I hope)...I have no issue with someone not liking EDM or my music, or any of my colleague's music. I do have an issue where we are personally attacked.

So, my personal opinion that I don't consider EDM music is a "personal attack"? 

No, but labeling of said artists as "posers" is.

^ yes.Saying we're not musicians even though we fit the dictionary definition of musicians isn't exactly kosher, either. More to the point, you didn't even say EDM musicians, you specifically referred to those who make music with a laptop are posers; I've made mention that I record that way on so many occasions that it definitely seemed like a direct shot at me.

Ive never noticed you posting that you dabble in electronics, so it was not a direct shot at you.

Having spent 15 years recording (and longer as a producer) I think I might have slightly graduated past the dabbling phase...