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A message posted by David Anderle's son Jonathan:


>>>Mike Love,

I understand that you have been very annoyed with things that pop had said about you in the past. But to insinuate as you do in your book that the sale of the Beach Boys' catalog to Almo/Irving publishing and dad's later involvement with A&M Records was all part of a connected "scam" is nonsensical and libelous. It's unfortunate that you waited until dad was gone to make this claim, but that really says everything. Nothing you can do will dampen my love for the music of which you were a vital part, but it's frustrating that there will be some people who will believe this to be true, even though most people will very much consider the source.  <<<

Woah, that is some serious conspiracy thinking on Mike's part...  ::)

Facebook? No source given.

Wow...that was quite vile. (Not from Jonathan's end)


It certainly does.

Zinggg! >:D

 :poke

I tried to tell everyone that this guy was a bad actor and no damn good years ago. I can't say how satisfying it is to see it come to fruition. I's all finally unfolding  and I  would absolutely relish seeing that ungrateful slab of olive loaf have his sorry rear end hauled through the legal system losing a good slice of his unearned monies not to mention cementing his legacy as an all around wart on the band.

I guess this book is trying to tie in Anderle with the "druggies, thieves, and plagiarizers" named in Mike's 2005 lawsuit.

I think it's inevitable that both sides are heading for yet another lawsuit.

As for me, I will read neither book. I prefer to stick to the music.

   :deadhorse  In the words of Gomer Pyle..."Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!!!!"   :angry

  :wall  This is gonna be like the Hall of Fame thingy...I hope he doesn't mention ME in his misguided little 'novel'. :jedi

Obviously, I only know what Jonathan Anderle said, not what was in the book, so I can't comment on that specifically.  What I will say is that it was very well known in the 60's and beyond that David Anderle was one of the most respected figures ever in the music business.  He was an artists' advocate and he cultivated and protected the best of the best in composers, performers, et al.  The music always came first with him, as well as the people who created it.  I can't imagine why anyone would attack the man.

Like so many others that have left this life at a relatively early age, I still can't believe that David Anderle is gone. To Debbie's point, Sheryl Crow is one artist who's career has definitely benefitted from the guidance of David Anderle.

I read this thread title thinking Brian had announced that he'd begun work on a new album or something. But of course, it's just more bitterness.

Hmm - I thought what C-man and I said was in honor of a great man, David Anderle.  Please explain to me where we were being "bitter."

I think one of the points Jonathan Anderle may be alluding to is that it is, under the law, impossible to libel or slander a deceased person. You can kinda claim whatever you want; their estate or family can't sue in most cases.

One of the "benefits" of waiting until you're 75 and many of your contemporaries are gone to write your "setting things straight" book. Just be glad Brian is still alive (beyond the obvious reasons), because a Mike book written with no possibility of Brian suing would invariably be even *more* inflammatory than whatever is there now.

To take that route...one would have to be OH-SO challenged in terms of being able to actually produce so much as even 1 ball ... another person would have to think.

Maybe he meant bitterness from Mike...?

All I know is that I'll continue to defend Mike's contributions to the music, but I've lost all respect for him as a person over the last few years.


That is so cowardly. And if Mike were to outlive Brian and talk smack about him, I'd join the long line of people waiting to teach him some 'respect'.

The line has been forming for quite a few years reaching the moon and back several times. Please step to the right to join.

I have a feeling if i were to read his book, I might cut in line.

He also worked for Kris Kristofferson. In Kris' "If you don't like Hank Williams" you can even hear him (Kris) mentioning David Anderle's name during the outro.

Billy - Thanks for pointing that out.  Since the comment appeared right after my and c-man's posts I thought they were being referenced.  If the poster doesn't reply, I'll assume that's what he meant.

And thanks for adding more, Rocker, to honoring David Anderle's legacy.

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Like so many others that have left this life at a relatively early age, I still can't believe that David Anderle is gone. To Debbie's point, Sheryl Crow is one artist who's career has definitely benefitted from the guidance of David Anderle.
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You can also add the Gin Blossoms to that list since he was heavily involved with their career.

Also Anderle produced Missouri natives Ozark Mountain Daredevils. David co-produced this hit with Glyn Johns. Ozark Mountain Daredevils - Jackie Blue: http://youtu.be/zrbNeOEG0GY

Mike attacks a respected figure in the music business who, coincidentally, is not alive to defend himself.

Mike needs to add a song to his live set, a modified Led Zeppelin cover, "Everybody's Fault But Mike's"  :lol

Has anyone here read the book yet? What does Mike imply/say? Must it be pure bullshit beacause Anderele was a great guy? I mean: it could be bullshit for other reasons. Or maybe he has a point. Could he?

AMEN!

That is what I was thinking! No one can say anything until they read the book and see what actually Mike said. It might have been something that Jonathan toke the wrong way. After we read the book then we can see what Jonathan says and then throw punches at Mike if he did say something horribly stupid. Or throw punches at Johnathan for misleading us to believe something different then what Mike said in his book.  We never even got a source  where that little clipping came from yet or if its real.

After the book comes out then we can bring this topic back up!

Jonathan has read the book.

AMEN!

 Cowardly.

We haven't. He may just be doing it as a possibility stunt because he knows how so many fans like to jump on Mike. Who knows maybe Mike was a HUGE dick talking about him but maybe now. before we can give our honest opinions we  need to read the book.

Possibly we'll hear from someone else who has read the galleys who has some objectivity and can enlighten us in the mean time.  I'm actually watching this thread in case  this happens, but also wanted to honor David Anderle as a highly respected man who was great for music and artists, since he was mentioned here.

Never heard of a possibility stunt. Publicity stunt, yes.

Do you know Jonathan well enough to say that about him?  He posts here on occasion. ..maybe you should ask him.

I have no idea who he is besides that he has a very talented man I also did not know he posts on here. Maybe he intemperate what he said differently then what Mike was trying to get across to his readers. I'm not saying he did that as a Publicity stunt but it could be possible. But what i am saying is that we all need to read the book before we can judge either one of them until we have read the book. Maybe Mike just had one bad run in with him and talked a little bit about that. But If Mike bashed a deceased man and is trying to make himself sound superior then there is no acceptable. That is/would be VERY cowardly. I would not try to defend Mike at all.  But for now we just have to wait to read the book for ourselves and hope Mike didnt make an embarrassment out of himself!

Jonathan used to lurk and post here and the Smile Shop. He never sought out any "publicity".

Without reading the book I reckon Mike is saying David gained financially from the sale is Sea of Tunes to Irving  Almo. Nothing about David as an artist.

I've just skimmed through all the Anderle mentions in Mike's book. (You can do a word search through the book on Amazon). I missed whatever it is that Jonathan is referring to.

Maybe someone else can give it a shot.

Try the word 'scam'. No detail but the 3 results sound ugly.

See page 376. I think that is where this came from.

"So in summary... the Beach Boy lawyer¹ who engineered the fraudulent sale of our catalog was introduced to us by a man who ended up working at the very company that bought the catalog² - a scam that enriched that company mightily and, indirectly, all of it's employees, including David Anderle, who everyone agreed, had a smashing twenty-six-year career at A&M Records.

What a town."

¹ Abe Somer
² David Anderle

Superscript notes are mine, referencing the text that came prior to the summary.

Wow, classy stuff. I would guess that sort of stuff would indeed be potentially libelous if Anderle was still alive.

A bit rich to hear "what a town" from the guy that engineered what is described in the Marks/Stebbins book in bringing Dave in to replace *Al*; obviously just one of countless examples.

When it comes to cut-throat business dealings, I somehow sense Mr. Love is not any sort of outsider.

Ricky 1950 - after reading what I could find on LA Times which covered Brian's suit (over the Sea of Tunes catalog sold by Murry) none of this looks like news to me.

A & M was owned by Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss. Anderle was a classmate at Fairfax High in LA with both of them. 

p.s. What did surprise me is what I found reported in the LA Times going back to 1991 on music industry sexual harassment, payola, etc.  One of these parties is mentioned.   

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-11-03/news/mn-1568_sexual-harrassment

The suit, as I recall did find fraud and in favor of Brian, but it appeared too late (likely statue of limitations issues because I don't have the actual documents in front of me) to undo the transfer of the Sea of Tunes catalog back to the Beach Boys.  They did give a money award.

There were allegations that the lawyer represented A & M records at the time unknown to the Plaintiff (Brian.)  The referenced court docs also "alleged that (Somer) failed to disclose the direct and irreconcilable conflict of interest." (LA Times - September 19, 1989 written by Irv Letofsky.)

None of this looks like news to me.   ;)   



http://articles.latimes.com/1989-09-19/entertainment/ca-4315_1_brian-wilson

The LA Times, I found was the  best source for helping me fill in the background.


 

 

 

Cut to Cam Mott readying Mike Love's defense in 3...2...1...

Brace for impact! ;)

Right. Not to mention that whole cutthroat Al-ousting endeavor (much like this current smack-talking just "coincidentally" being about a deceased person - whose absence makes it easier for him to publicly say this about) was similarly not exactly *hindered* due to someone else in the BB's organization's passing. Sad but true.

Haven't read the book.

Not sure if this is a response to me or not, but if so, I was only citing the page that I think the quote posted by the OP may have referenced. I am not claiming anything is (or is not) new.

Sorry "Rick 5150" -  I cited your handle incorrectly.  The quote you included made me look up some of the LA Times articles that have covered BB related matters over time and unfortunately a child will not be happy to see a parent not memorialized the way he/she might like or in an unflattering light.  We saw that with Landy's son who is not happy with the way his father was portrayed in Love and Mercy. 

Those cases that arose (for many reasons) with regard the sale of Sea of Tunes, and the judgments are what remains about that band history.  I suspect both books will have a similar time-line, as far as this sale by Murry is concerned.  The court was not pleased with the conflicts-of-interest that were not disclosed.

What you wrote reminded me of the series of article in the LA Times about the litigation and I posted after yours.  I did not think you were claiming something new and I don't think it is new.   

Thing is: Anderle, who worked for the BBs, did have a great career at A&M, a company that benefited from the SOT deal. No lie there. And Anderle was a very nice man as per many of those who met him.

Right, and there's nothing wrong with that. The implication though is that there was collusion,  and that's what Jonathan and many of us have an issue withm

Not in a position time-wise today to look for it in the on-line pages, but wondering if Mike bothers to point out that it was actually Murry Wilson who instigated the sale of Sea of Tunes to A&M. Is Mike trying to imply that Abe Somer connived to induce Murry to sell? Would we find evidence of same in the court transcripts?

BTW, Wikipedia indicates that Anderle began working at A&M in 1970, which I believe was the year AFTER Sea of Tunes was sold.

Also, those of you who haven't done so already should check out the book published awhile back that collects many of Anderle's paintings, including the famous one of Brian...it's entitled BETTER LATE THAN NEVER, and it is well worth owning. I'm sure it's been discussed here in several threads, but it bears repeating...particularly in this context.

It's beyond an implication. He pretty directly says that Anderle was involved in "a scam."  Assuming Anderle was not involved in a scam (which seems unlikely), it would certainly be liable to suit, were he alive.

Funny how someone dying seems to motivate Mike to new "revelations" that serve his interests.  But what do I know?

Which is Mike's modus operandi. Typical bully behavior,  though. Peace and love, my ass.

Sadly, as charming ad insightful as we'd feared  ::).  Hopefully, this will improve?

Mr. Positivity should really be Mr. Nasty.. ::)

I'm positive you're right.

This thread reminded me of this song:    :lol :lol :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKGjv1Y6Zsg

LuHv this video. I'm curious, has this kind of luHving tribute been bestowed on anyone else in a popular band or is he the only one hated enough to reap such a reward for being a complete asshole?

more reprehensible and indefensible statements coming from Mike. is anyone surprised?

and did anyone catch this blurb yet:
"On one of our youthful fishing trips, Dennis and I got talking about the surfing craze and why it made sense to do a surfing song."


  :thud

Is there anything he WON'T take credit for?

In a word, no. ::)

"There was another time I was talking to Brian, and we ended up chatting about the Civil War. Eventually, I convinced him that it'd make perfect sense for the group to do our own version of Battle Hymn of the Republic".

The Brian Williams of rock  ::)

:lol


'One time, I was just a wee little baby, and I was being watched by my Uncle Murry and Aunt Audree. I was going 'ba ba ba' and 'ga ga goo goo' in such a way that my aunt and uncle began getting frisky with each other. My cousin Brian was conceived that very night'

 :woot :woot

To be fair, he technically didn't take credit for inspiring the writing "Surfin'" or any other song. He just said that he and Dennis happened to be talking about the subject.

Yeah, that's true.

Actually, the most "off" sounding thing about that sentence is the idea of Dennis and Mike fishing together.  ;D

Thud, indeed, but in Jim Murphy's liner notes for Becoming the Beach Boys, this info is credited to Carl...

Let's see of that's in the book.  Maybe he still has time to add this stellar idea, otherwise.  Pure genius, Billy.

I aim to please!

Mike uses the "Mayor of Hip" phrase at least 3 or 4 different times when referring to Anderle; it's clear that the stuff Anderle has said has really stuck in Mike's craw for a long time (understandably) and it's time to settle that score. He's practically chummy with Van Dyke by comparison.

And he waits for the man to be deceased before he settles the score. What a guy!

Well it's par for the course having dissed Dennis for years, and now apparently Carl.

It's what he does.

Somewhere there's a Geico ad with that in there...

It's pathetic really and difficult for me to get all worked up as it's more of the same.