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Tucked away at the bottom of the PS 50th anniversary blurb on TheBeachBoys.com (News) was this little announcement:

"This year also marks the 50th anniversary of one of popular music’s most iconic singles of all time, The Beach Boys’ “Good Vibrations.” The Beach Boys and Capitol/UMe will celebrate “Good Vibrations” with a global commemorative release this fall".

News, speculation and eventual reviews welcome here - come as you are.

Two other iconic singles that also got the 50 year treatment. GV may go down the same route.


http://ultimateclassicrock.com/beatles-to-release-50th-anniversary-single-of-love-me-do/

http://www.superdeluxeedition.com/news/the-rolling-stones-satisfaction-50th-anniversary-12-inch/

Can't imagine any release would be very exciting. They did a 40th anniversary multi-track CD single in 2006. So it would probably be something like that, or maybe just some vinyl release since vinyl is so trendy right now.

Is there even much interesting GV raw session material left that didn't make it on "The Smile Sessions" or other releases for them to do a larger-scale GV-themed release?

There's probably not much material left they could add.

But... add the drunk 1978 live version from the "Endless Bummer" boot + all the available vocal stems from the studio version (that were teased in Love & Mercy), and I'm in.  ;D

I'd hope for a DVD/Blu-ray featuring both the recently (2011?) found Vibes sessions footage (set up though it might have been), both synced to audio and an unedited version of everything found, along with the fire station promo footage filmed at the time.

That, along with the very best, listenable outtakes from the recording sessions.

And any recently found trial mixes, vocal overdubs etc.

Plus a series of CDs featuring at least one live performance from each year between 1966 and 2016, by the BBs, BW band, BBs' Family and Friends etc.

Maybe not the last bit… ;)

I'd love to have all of the extant GV sessions footage unearthed a few years back. But I think it remains to be seen how "intact" the footage is in terms of continuous shots. As I've said in the past, it has the vibe of "b-roll" footage; short bits of footage meant to be some sort of montage or background for something else. There may well not be any particularly long segments to sync up to session tapes.

What gives with the GV Wiki page...Anyone able to help add Al and Bruce? :lol

Personnel[edit]
This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
The Beach Boys
Mike Love – co-lead vocals[126]
Brian Wilson – vocals,[45] production,[58] mixing[58]
Carl Wilson – lead vocals[62]
Dennis Wilson – Hammond organ during 2:14–2:56[127][45]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Vibrations

I was referring simply to the footage as released online to date… agree that there's unlikely to be full fly on the wall sessions filmed . Apologies if post was unclear, been to a meeting in a pub.! Rare opportunity n' all that… made the most!

All collected in a box, that has a placeholder slot for the 60th anniversary release.

Are we do for a Smile 50th anniversary release, too? how about 50th anniv. releases of Smiley and Wild Honey? I really want to see Brian and his band tour Smiley Smile next year. Minimal instrumentation onstage, and if they play Washington state or Colorado, they can legally get stoned before the show. Oh, and the stage would resemble a swimming pool.

A remastered Good Vibrations with the hum-dee-daa part inserted would have been better.

Agreed.

Do you mean like the one released on The SMiLE Sessions five years ago?

Good Vibrations should have a stereo release. This is a decent fan mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUaX52GbjSU.

They could just release Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 15 really  :P

So PetSmile hasn't really done any digging then? Your Hum Dee Dum Section in full Stereo can be found on the 40th anniversary CD single of Good Vibrations as Various Sessions as well as the  2nd Disc of Hawthorne CA compilation on the track Good Vibrations Stereo  Track Sections. Pieces of Good Vibrations have been out since 1993 with the Original 20 Years of Good Vibrations Boxset. Then in 1997 The Tracking Session and Backing Track of the First Version of Good Vibrations popped up on The Pet Sounds Boxset. In 1990 on the Smiley/Wild Honey Twofer, we got the Early Version in Mono and a Mono Sessions Highlight Edit. Then in 2002 on The Hawthorne CA comp on Disc 2, we now had a Good Vibrations Various Stereo Tracking Sessions. Capitol stepped it up in 2006 with the 40th anniversary Good Vibrations CD single. It included The Original 45 RPM mix remasted in Mono, the Stereo Backing Track and the 2001 Various Sessions release but, now in glorious Stereo. Now we have all of those Various Sessions broken down by Tracking Dates which works better on Disc 5 of The Smile Sessions.

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Yeah,  if someone with the talent could take the stereo version done by terrei (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,23584.msg581202.html#msg581202) and add in the stereo Hum-de-dum part, I'd be happy guy!

Placing my bets on basically the same tracks as the 2006 40th Anniversary release with maybe a "previously unreleased" live cut.

Will probably include the "sessions" that have been released previously ad nauseam... you know the ones we can all recite by heart... "Play hard and strong all the way..."  "I want to start it with the organ and the Fender bass..."   blah, blah, blah...

Sorry to be so negative, but I haven't been "wowed" by archival releases since Hawthorne, CA in 2001.

That would be awesome if they issued the UM 15 for the Good Vibration set! We would have just about everything then! for GV

We could just get this? LOL!

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I believe superfluous GV session highlights have already been released. 44 years since Smile was aborted, but it's mostly in mono. Not complaining about the Box Set, it's fine.

Any repackaging of "Pet Sounds" or "Good Vibrations" or "Smile" doesn't make me hopeful. I get it, it's the lucrative catalog stuff, and it's easy, especially when they mostly just mine old archival releases. But they need to move on to other material, namely 70s and 80s outtakes and career-spanning live recordings.

Any decade Jude.... :'(

While any and all archival releases are welcomed, the fact that we have a 2-CD set of "Party" outtakes and a 2-CD set of the previously-heavily-litigated Hite Morgan tapes, both signed off on by BRI, indicates how rudderless the band's management remains (and by extension, at least some if not most of the band members themselves who don't seem to be spearheading much interesting archival material themselves).

There are great folks working around the BB sphere making as much happen as possible. I can only guess Jim Murphy may have had a role in convincing BRI to let the uncut Morgan tapes out, and he or anyone else that convinced them of such should be commended. I know guys like Alan Boyd have made the "Party" set and the "Copyright Extension" sets as interesting and awesome as they possibly can. So I always commend these folks that try to work around BRI and behind the scenes to make something  happen.

But BRI should have someone in-house telling them how they need to do prestige reissues of albums with copious amounts of bonus tracks, Brian-centric boxed sets (call it "Bedroom Tapes" even if that's a total misnomer if it means more attention), live archival CDs and *videos* the way many other classic rock era bands are mining their vaults.

Every release that comes out of BRI that has archival stuff on it seems to almost happen accidentally. The "copyright extension" stuff seems to fall under that category. They only got archival stuff on "Made in California" by putting out *another* career-spanning boxed set. The story behind BRI getting behind the Morgan tapes hasn't been told yet, but I'm guessing a lot of "this stuff is already out in fragmented form, and it may have arguably already fallen into the public domain" sort of arguments may have convinced BRI to be a *part* of a release of the set instead of hindering the perhaps inevitable release or leak of the material.

Does anyone know how many of these tracks were released on The Smile Session box set?

Releasing '70s and '80s outtakes left in the can would be slightly excessive right now. It's does baffle me a little that 'mono purists' refuse to accept that Pet Sounds sounds fresher in stereo, as would Smile.

I don't think "mono purists" are the reason nobody else much seems particularly adamant about a reissue of the "Smile Sessions" set just to get the stuff into stereo. I can't imagine anybody is particularly against hearing "Smile" stuff in stereo where we haven't yet heard it that way.

I think it's just your personal area of interest. Which is totally cool. Everybody has their thing. There's random stuff I'd like to see remixed or redone.

But I think a lot of fans would rather get NEW material, as in previously unreleased material, than another re-noodled variation of what we already have. We've got 4 and 5-disc "Pet Sounds" sets, and a 5-disc "Smile" set. Let's move on to something else. 70s and 80s outtakes ARE important; more important that regurgitating the same stuff over and over.

While I would love all of "Smile" in stereo, I disagree that all of it would sound infinitely better. As I've said, a lot of that stuff was recorded in a rather murky, muddy fashion.

"Becoming the Beach Boys" isn't near the top of my want list either, nor my list of things I feel objectively are the best items for BRI to greenlight. But at least that set has previously unreleased material on it.

I think 2-CD (or in some cases 3-CD) Deluxe reissues of each of the band's studio albums, with mono/stereo where possible, and then fleshed out with COPIOUS amounts of bonus material, would be ideal. And in that scenario, they could even throw a 2-CD version of "Smile" in that program as well and put the whole in stereo on there.

I can't speak for other fans, but I think a lot of fans, perhaps most fans that enjoy the band's entire catalog, would rather hear "Carry Me Home" or "I'm Going Your Way" or even "We Gotta Groove" with vocals, than having to buy a multi-disc "Smile" set *again* just to hear "Do You Like Worms" in slightly-less-muddy stereo.

I wouldn't want another Smile Sessions Box Set necessarily, just Disk 1 reissued in stereo with a few minor changes. Also, Disks 2-5 material don't sound particularly 'murky' or 'muddy to me.

As much as there is out there I want to hear! I dont care what form mono or stereo sounds to similar just any form one or they other is fine!!

God Only Knows in mono does sound rather 'muddy', but that doesn't bother me.

to similar to be worth wild for a separate release. I would rather listen to something totally different! It honestly very hard for me to tell the difference! I would want to hear something different!


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Just so you know, there was a stereo mix of Surf's Up on the final side of the Smile vinyl release.  It sounds great.   Here's the stereo Smile mixes I know of from the box set, the vinyl or from Made in California.

Heroes and Villains (Stereo Mix)
Our Prayer (2012 The Smile Sessions Stereo Mix)
Surf's Up (stereo mix) 
Vega-Tables (Stereo Mix)
You're Welcome (Stereo mix)
Wind Chimes (Stereo Mix)

The people who want *totally previously unreleased* material are the "ravenous completists?" I'd say that goes more for wanting remixes of already-modern-day remixes. I'd say wanting a reissue of Disc 1 of the Smile box is far more along the lines of "ravenous completest" than wanting a full disc of unreleased 70s studio material.

The reputation and consumption of "Smile" has not been significantly impacted by the lack of a full-album stereo mix. A number of the tracks *are* already available in stereo, and I don't recall an influx of bad reviews for the "Smile Sessions" set from even casual, younger fans where they severely criticized the pieced-together approximation of the album for appearing in mono instead of stereo.

As for Desper's words, my recollection is that he was talking more about a specific subset of material, not all 70s and 80s outtakes. If Mr. Desper contended that there is nothing of value left from the 1970-1985 (and later) time frame (and I don't believe he did make such a sweeping contention), then I simply wholly disagree.

Just the stuff that has leaked out is worth official release. I'm not going to list the dozens and dozens of tracks, as others have done it here many times. "Sunflower" and "Surf's Up" alternates, backing tracks, a capella mixes, demos, and so on. To say nothing of dozens and dozens of live recordings. It's nothing at all similar to "endless takes of Shortenin' Bread", and anyone that thinks the HOURS of outtakes from the 70s and 80s is anything of the sort I would say either isn't that familiar with what's *already* out there, or simply doesn't have a particular affinity for the era's material.

Back to "Smile", I love the stuff and eat it all up. But "Do You Like Worms" (the verse sections anyway) sounds like it was recorded in someone's fallout shelter and then dubbed down about ten times. It's part of the charm of the material; I have to believe it was partly if not wholly intentional on Brian's part.

Before "Smile" was released in 2011, I would have not only advocated but outright predicted it was the top priority for release. And then it was released.

Capitol/UME is never going to just "reissue Disc 1 in stereo." They may (or perhaps inevitably WILL) repackage "Smile" again in some form before too long, perhaps as early as next year for its 50th anniversary, and they may well provide a "full stereo mix" to goose sales.

100% agree with that! I guess I am a "Ravenous Completists" for all the material thats not released but there is something beyond that if you are wanting everything and then in all the different mixes!

I really don't need to hear every moment of every session of ANY recording. I'm satisfied with the 90's comp Lost and Found for the early sessions. Have heard enough GV and SMiLE sessions to last me a lifetime. I would eagerly grab a cd of rare 70's and 80's tracks, though.

The ones on the vinyl are not accessible to me, I'm afraid.

Ok i am pretty sure you are the only one that is wanting to see the Smile Package change to stereo and re released while everyone else is wanting the 70's and 80's unreleased tracks. there are websites online where you can change it to stereo or vis versa by yourself, if you really want to hear what the songs would sound like switched to stereo

There are websites like this where?

I'm in no hurry for Stereo Smile. Love the sound of the mono version.

Does enough of Smile even exist in stereo for such a mix to be possible?  Unless they made more "extraction mixes" like were on some of the 2012 CD reissues.

I know people might be opposed to new re-releases of the Capitol Recordings at this point, but it seems like the best way to get unreleased material at this point would be in the form of mini box sets i.e 1961-1963, 1964, 1965 etc. This could be a good way of them unloading different sessions material. Even better is that they could include Mono/Stereo mixes + rare tracks + session material and alternative takes. You could also include Live albums respective to each release.

One example would be to include a 3-Disc Deluxe Version of Today! Which could have the Mono/Stereo versions, rehearsals, backing tracks, vocal sessions, Mike's version of Please Let Me Wonder ect. :)

A 1965 box set would include a 3-Disc Today, 3-Disc Summer Days, 3-Disc Party and the 2-CD Live in Chicago concerts.
Pet Sounds and SMiLE would stay the same.
A 1967-1969 box set would include 2-CD Smiley Smile, 2-CD Wild Honey, 2-CD Friends, 2-CD 20/20 and the Lei'd in Hawaii, Michigan and London Concerts.
A 1970-1971 box set would include a 4-Disc Sunflower (including Landlocked material), a 3-Disc Surf's Up and the Seattle, Filmore East and Carnegie Hall Shows.

I've always wondered why this hasn't been officially released. There is no parallel (that I can think of) of a recorded alternate version of a very well-known BB song by a different BB member vocalist than the released version, sitting unreleased in the vault. Certainly not of any famous song from the band's "golden" years. The only thing that I could think of is perhaps Mike or Brian doesn't like that version and is embarrassed by it? Other than that possibility, I can't figure out why it hasn't been released after all this time.

Has this track been booted before?

Yes, it is on one of the Unsurpassed Masters boots.

Just because you think mono is outdated doesn't mean a stereo SMILE would be better.  If mono was outdated and undesirable why would the entire Beatles catalog be (re)released in Mono so recently?

A small lost of albums FAR better in mono than stereo:

VDP- Song Cycle
Randy Newman- S/T
Simon and Garfunkel- Bookends
The Beatles- Revolver, Sgt. Pepper's
Hendrix- Axis: Bold as Love
Nilsson- PSS and Aerial Ballet
Every BB album up to Friends

If you have not compared versions of the above albums, I strongly urge you to do so, unless you prefer studio gimmicks, I believe you will find the mono mixes far more engaging. It's not about what's out of date or en vogue, but what sounds best.  I think we can all agree on that.

"I look at sound like a painting, you find a balance, you have a balance and the balance is conceived in your mind. You finish the sound, you dub it down and you've stamped out a picture of your balance with that mono dubdown. But in stereo, you leave the dubdown to the listener- to his speaker placement and speaker balance. It just doesn't seem complete to me."
 -Brian Wilson


Add me to the list of obscure 70's and 80's material. Atleast if they want my money.   

I want so badly to give my money to the BB's, but I can't justify buying the same titles over and over.

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I'm sorry PetSmile but, Brian has also stated that he mixed in Mono not just because he's deaf but, also mess it up a number of different ways by mixing in Stereo, this according to Mark Linett who asked Brian personally during the mixing of the Smile sessions Boxset in 2011. Stop saying that Mono is crap also because you probably have been spoiled with Stereo music your whole life like me. Back in the 60's Mono was the best, Stereo was a new invention. When I get a chance to hear these new Stereo Mixes they are nice but, Mono was how it was intended. Quit taking it for granted.

Smile is better in stereo but you can't mix the whole album like that without there being some awful phasing a la the 2001 WIBN

Linett and Boyd's stereo mixes are hit and miss - sometimes they work, sometimes they rob the original feel of the recordings, sometimes they add back in elements that Brian was wise to mix down

How many stereo versions of the TSS track list have been made? Just listen to those

Most of the albums I listed aren't fake stereo 8 )

Gouge one of my eyes out if it will make things look as good as a proper mono mix sounds.

They better do the same for wild honey ..

Still waiting on that stereo remaster  ::)

Has anyone heard any announcements about this yet?