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Title: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Juice Brohnston on March 10, 2016, 04:43:20 PM Produced by Terry with Brian as an uncredited producer. Why? Was it Landy related? Seems odd that there were so many attempts over the years to get "Produced by Brian Wilson" on tracks, that he would go uncredited on something he had a hand in producing.
Good song IMO Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 10, 2016, 06:55:14 PM Produced by Terry with Brian as an uncredited producer. Why? Was it Landy related? Seems odd that there were so many attempts over the years to get "Produced by Brian Wilson" on tracks, that he would go uncredited on something he had a hand in producing. Good song IMO I agree that it's a very solid effort. I've grown to really, really dig the song over the years. Dare I say, I think it might be the best, most enjoyable and fun song the band put out in the entire decade. It may be silly fun, but it really gets me moving and makes me think of an updated version of the glory years of the band. Mike sounds great on it, some of his most underrated bass vocals. Brian rocks on it, as do Carl and Al. Really, really glad that Brian was given the chance to shine on the song, during this difficult era. Some very interesting vocal melodic changes that are unexpected. As much as I love lots of Brian's first solo album, This is a prime example of how vitally important the entire band's vocals were during the 1980s. Everyone adds quite all lot. I agree that it sounds like it's definitely a Brian coproduction. At the very least, I'm sure that Brian produced the vocal sessions. I wish we had an entire album that sounded like this, because it's obvious they put a lot of effort into the song and the production. Even if it sounds dated, it still rocks. I think the production easily trumps the 1985 album. Considering that they went all out with a bunch of remixes, it really stands out as the ultimate, most distinctly 1980s track that they ever put out. In a way, it's almost the improved, 1980s version of what they intended the Here Comes the Night disco track to be like. I do wonder what the logic was behind releasing it with all the different remixes. Were they thinking it might become some sort of a dance club hit? I should add that the 12 inch version which I just listened to on YouTube for the first time really sucks! I stand behind the released, single version only! Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: bringahorseinhere? on March 10, 2016, 07:39:10 PM its a great track, they should have brought it in the the 50th reunion. Strange that neither camps ever do this live.
I like the remixes on the 12". Recently obtained a sealed copy of it, but I broke the seal dare I say. I hope others chime in with positive comments about this song. I believe to this day it only appears on the CD 'made in the USA'. darn shame. edit: also note, this came out on Capitol Records, not CBS. What was the arrangement there? Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: c-man on March 10, 2016, 07:42:25 PM Supposedly Landy pulled Brian away from the production and flew him to Hawaii for a stress test, and Melcher left Brian's name off the production credit in retaliation.
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 10, 2016, 08:37:47 PM Supposedly Landy pulled Brian away from the production and flew him to Hawaii for a stress test, and Melcher left Brian's name off the production credit in retaliation. Stress test? I wonder if that was Scientology related. I'm actually serious in posing that question. Landy seems like he was using those type of tactics, with Brian's family in particular being the near-equivalent of "suppressive persons", etc. But it is a fascinating tidbit of info there, c-man. I wonder how many times Melcher actually worked with Brian in the studio after that incident. It seems Melcher worked with the BBs quite a lot after that song, maybe on 75%+ of their (admittedly small) output for the next half-decade, yet I'm pretty sure Brian only appears on the non-Melcher tracks. I can only imagine what lengths Melcher would have gone through to avoid dealing with Landy again. I could imagine that Brian's Kokomo non-appearance might have had something to do with the Melcher-Landy relationship. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Lonely Summer on March 10, 2016, 11:06:42 PM Supposedly Landy pulled Brian away from the production and flew him to Hawaii for a stress test, and Melcher left Brian's name off the production credit in retaliation. Stress test? I wonder if that was Scientology related. I'm actually serious in posing that question. Landy seems like he was using those type of tactics, with Brian's family in particular being the near-equivalent of "suppressive persons", etc. But it is a fascinating tidbit of info there, c-man. I wonder how many times Melcher actually worked with Brian in the studio after that incident. It seems Melcher worked with the BBs quite a lot after that song, maybe on 75%+ of their (admittedly small) output for the next half-decade, yet I'm pretty sure Brian only appears on the non-Melcher tracks. I can only imagine what lengths Melcher would have gone through to avoid dealing with Landy again. I could imagine that Brian's Kokomo non-appearance might have had something to do with the Melcher-Landy relationship. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Custom Machine on March 11, 2016, 12:11:27 AM As it has for the past 30 years, Rock n Roll to the Rescue still makes me cringe. It's an embarrassingly lame song with stupid lyrics and an incredibly bad vocal by BW (although not nearly as irritating as She's Got Rhythm).
Despite his vocals and the inexplicable participation in the song (and especially the video), by the rest of the guys, BW should be happy that his name does not appear on the production credits. I will say, though, that Carl and Mike put in good vocal performances on this forgettable BB song. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: c-man on March 11, 2016, 04:12:52 AM As it has for the past 30 years, Rock n Roll to the Rescue still makes me cringe. It's an embarrassingly lame song with stupid lyrics and an incredibly bad vocal by BW (although not nearly as irritating as She's Got Rhythm). Despite his vocals and the inexplicable participation in the song (and especially the video), by the rest of the guys, BW should be happy that his name does not appear on the production credits. I will say, though, that Carl and Mike put in good vocal performances on this forgettable BB song. I know whatcha mean, Rob. Personally, I've always had mixed feelings about this record. The track itself ROCKS, and I've always dug it because of that. Brian's vocal doesn't really bother me, but the inane lyrics drive me nuts! Not all of the lyrics, mind you - the chorus lyrics are fine. If the verse lyrics weren't so inane, this might have been a hit IMO. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: The_Beach on March 11, 2016, 04:39:41 AM its a great track, they should have brought it in the the 50th reunion. Strange that neither camps ever do this live. I like the remixes on the 12". Recently obtained a sealed copy of it, but I broke the seal dare I say. I hope others chime in with positive comments about this song. I believe to this day it only appears on the CD 'made in the USA'. darn shame. edit: also note, this came out on Capitol Records, not CBS. What was the arrangement there? They did the song live atleast I think 25 times in 1986. but I agree it should of been done more and in the 50th tour. They did a good job of it live in 86 to! https://youtu.be/w_Uj1XFge7w https://youtu.be/95W5kGk8hU0 (supposable Al was sick and that's why it didn't sound very good live here) Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Smilin Ed H on March 11, 2016, 05:14:42 AM As it has for the past 30 years, Rock n Roll to the Rescue still makes me cringe. It's an embarrassingly lame song with stupid lyrics and an incredibly bad vocal by BW (although not nearly as irritating as She's Got Rhythm). Despite his vocals and the inexplicable participation in the song (and especially the video), by the rest of the guys, BW should be happy that his name does not appear on the production credits. I will say, though, that Carl and Mike put in good vocal performances on this forgettable BB song. Agree. It's awful. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Sheriff John Stone on March 11, 2016, 05:51:57 AM They did the song live atleast I think 25 times in 1986. but I agree it should of been done more and in the 50th tour. They did a good job of it live in 86 to! https://youtu.be/w_Uj1XFge7w https://youtu.be/95W5kGk8hU0 (supposable Al was sick and that's why it didn't sound very good live here) I saw The Beach Boys perform "Rock And Roll To The Rescue" at The Allentown Fair in 1986. It was a good enough performance; it sounded pretty much like the studio recording. But, I got the feeling that I was one of about ten people in attendance who actually knew the song. The Beach Boys must've believed in the song. They made some re-mixes of it. They put it on a compilation with their greatest hits. They did perform it live over a couple of months. And, they made an official video of the song. However, there was only one thing worse than that official video and that was the performance (actually lip-sinching) of the song on that Solid Gold Summer Song Special where a very trim Brian embarrasses himself trying to lip-sinch the song. I was in shock then (1986) and I still can't believe they aired that...performance. They must've really wanted to showcase Brian. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: The_Beach on March 11, 2016, 06:06:15 AM They did the song live atleast I think 25 times in 1986. but I agree it should of been done more and in the 50th tour. They did a good job of it live in 86 to! https://youtu.be/w_Uj1XFge7w https://youtu.be/95W5kGk8hU0 (supposable Al was sick and that's why it didn't sound very good live here) I saw The Beach Boys perform "Rock And Roll To The Rescue" at The Allentown Fair in 1986. It was a good enough performance; it sounded pretty much like the studio recording. But, I got the feeling that I was one of about ten people in attendance who actually knew the song. The Beach Boys must've believed in the song. They made some re-mixes of it. They put it on a compilation with their greatest hits. They did perform it live over a couple of months. And, they made an official video of the song. However, there was only one thing worse than that official video and that was the performance (actually lip-sinching) of the song on that Solid Gold Summer Song Special where a very trim Brian embarrasses himself trying to lip-sinch the song. I was in shock then (1986) and I still can't believe they aired that...performance. They must've really wanted to showcase Brian. has brian ever preformed the song live with the beach boys? since he is the lead vocalist. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Sheriff John Stone on March 11, 2016, 06:08:47 AM They did the song live atleast I think 25 times in 1986. but I agree it should of been done more and in the 50th tour. They did a good job of it live in 86 to! https://youtu.be/w_Uj1XFge7w https://youtu.be/95W5kGk8hU0 (supposable Al was sick and that's why it didn't sound very good live here) I saw The Beach Boys perform "Rock And Roll To The Rescue" at The Allentown Fair in 1986. It was a good enough performance; it sounded pretty much like the studio recording. But, I got the feeling that I was one of about ten people in attendance who actually knew the song. The Beach Boys must've believed in the song. They made some re-mixes of it. They put it on a compilation with their greatest hits. They did perform it live over a couple of months. And, they made an official video of the song. However, there was only one thing worse than that official video and that was the performance (actually lip-sinching) of the song on that Solid Gold Summer Song Special where a very trim Brian embarrasses himself trying to lip-sinch the song. I was in shock then (1986) and I still can't believe they aired that...performance. They must've really wanted to showcase Brian. has brian ever preformed the song live with the beach boys? since he is the lead vocalist. I don't know. He was not present in Allentown in 1986. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: rasmus skotte on March 11, 2016, 06:10:54 AM Didn't Gary Usher play a part in the production of it (uncredited though)?
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: urbanite on March 11, 2016, 07:13:38 AM It's one of those songs like Getcha Back, that would have sounded much better without BW's vocal. His vocal abilities were slim to none back then.
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Smilin Ed H on March 11, 2016, 07:18:46 AM It's one of those songs like Getcha Back, that would have sounded much better without BW's vocal. His vocal abilities were slim to none back then. It's the song. One of their worst nostalgia trips. Might have been better without the godawful production values associated with the era. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: HeyJude on March 11, 2016, 07:19:34 AM I don't believe Brian ever did "R&R to the Rescue" live with the band. They only did the song at a few dozen gigs in 1986, and Brian didn't even show for the most high profile gig they did the song at, the "Farm Aid" appearance from that year.
I believe Farm Aid has uploaded high quality videos of a bunch of their shows over the years, so you can get a nice looking and sounding version of the BBs, sans Brian, doing the song live there. I think Al handles most or all of Brian's parts. Ironically, I think that's the show where Al has a really scratchy voice, so what otherwise would have been a good lead performance is a bit marred. There's some interesting Melcher/Beach Boys/Brian/Gary Usher stuff in "The Wilson Project", which covers Brian's Usher era. It seems Usher and Melcher were both in some ways possibly vying and jockeying in that 1986 time frame to produce the "next" Beach Boys album, which kind of never ended up happening (though SIP eventually did of course). Not sure either Usher or Melcher could have brought the goods to make a good BB album at the time, though to be fair they wouldn't have had a ton of help from the band members either. Melcher wrote some decent catchy songs with Mike, at least two or three on SIP a few years later. Usher seemed like a nice guy, but the songs he wrote with Brian in the 80s were mostly pretty "bleh." While I've never heard or read Carl or Al say anything bad about Melcher, it's interesting that Al and Carl walked out on the "Spirit of Rock and Roll" session in 1986 (not due to Melcher, but rather as apparently a protest to Landy), and both Al and Carl played limited roles in the one other "Beach Boys" project Melcher had a strong hand in, "Summer in Paradise." Again, I don't think Al and Carl had any problems with Melcher (Al said nice things about him in his 2000 Goldmine interview), but it seems like several times Melcher somehow ended up on the opposite side of Al and Carl, probably more to do with being buds with Mike I guess. If they could have all finished off "The Spirit of Rock and Roll" in 1986/87 as a "Beach Boys" single, that one might have been more successful than "R&R to the Rescue." Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Steve Latshaw on March 11, 2016, 07:21:59 AM I always liked this track. I saw it live at a couple of shows in 1986. The first was in Evansville, Indiana, on July 30th. Katrina and the Waves were the opening act. The Beach Boys opened with Rock & Roll to the Rescue, followed by Rock & Roll Music and then Good Vibrations, in a radically redesigned set list. Mike sang lead on the live version; I've often thought it would have been a bigger hit had he sung lead on the studio recording in place of Brian.
Here's the set list from the next night, in Dayton, Ohio, thanks to AGD. This is the same set list I saw: 1. Rock and Roll To The Rescue 2. Rock and Roll Music 3. Good Vibrations 4. Getcha Back 5. Darlin 6. Dance Dance Dance 7. Wouldn't It Be Nice 8. God Only Knows 9. Sloop John B 10. Come Go With Me 11. Okie From Muskogee (briefly) 12. Little Deuce Coupe 13. Little Old Lady From Pasadena 14. Hey Little Cobra 15. Shut Down 16. 409 17. Little GTO 18. I Get Around 19. In My Room 20. Do It Again 21. Help Me Rhonda 22. Surfin Safari 23. Surf City 24. Surfin USA Encore: 25. California Dreamin' 26. California Girls 27. Barbara Ann 28. Fun Fun Fun Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: HeyJude on March 11, 2016, 07:30:58 AM You can tell there was a short period of time where the BBs certainly *tried* to get that single to be a bigger hit, going so far as to displace "California Girls" as the show opener, which they had been doing at that stage for around a decade or so.
It's actually not a totally bad idea, thinking back, for them to open shows with new stuff. People would perhaps sometimes groan or take a beer break when they did new stuff in the middle of the show. But people are so amped when a show starts that anything uptempo might have work. They tried opening with "It's OK" for awhile in 1982, but that was dropped eventually in favor of "California Girls" again. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: HeyJude on March 11, 2016, 07:33:25 AM Brian did do a mimed TV appearance with the band for the song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxJfuml6ir8 While we're at it, here's the live Farm Aid version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95W5kGk8hU0 And finally, the embarrassing music video made for the song, which probably didn't help it become a hit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKqd_9Xx9IQ Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: KDS on March 11, 2016, 07:41:53 AM It's one of those songs like Getcha Back, that would have sounded much better without BW's vocal. His vocal abilities were slim to none back then. I actually think Brian's vocals add a lot to Getcha Back. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Juice Brohnston on March 11, 2016, 07:43:02 AM I don't believe Brian ever did "R&R to the Rescue" live with the band. They only did the song at a few dozen gigs in 1986, and Brian didn't even show for the most high profile gig they did the song at, the "Farm Aid" appearance from that year. I believe Farm Aid has uploaded high quality videos of a bunch of their shows over the years, so you can get a nice looking and sounding version of the BBs, sans Brian, doing the song live there. I think Al handles most or all of Brian's parts. Ironically, I think that's the show where Al has a really scratchy voice, so what otherwise would have been a good lead performance is a bit marred. Al's voice is in rough shape, and if you watch it, it looks like Mike steps up to double his lead a few times. I always thought Carl sounded awesome on this live version. I mean, there is a bit of a cheesy slant to the song, but hey, it was the mid 80's and this retro nostalgia kick was very big. I'll be honest, the 80's Beach Boys fascinate me, in a way I have trouble articulating. Something about how they were kind of current and retro all at the same time. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: southbay on March 11, 2016, 08:45:44 AM It's one of those songs like Getcha Back, that would have sounded much better without BW's vocal. His vocal abilities were slim to none back then. I actually think Brian's vocals add a lot to Getcha Back. Agreed Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: southbay on March 11, 2016, 08:48:08 AM I don't believe Brian ever did "R&R to the Rescue" live with the band. They only did the song at a few dozen gigs in 1986, and Brian didn't even show for the most high profile gig they did the song at, the "Farm Aid" appearance from that year. I believe Farm Aid has uploaded high quality videos of a bunch of their shows over the years, so you can get a nice looking and sounding version of the BBs, sans Brian, doing the song live there. I think Al handles most or all of Brian's parts. Ironically, I think that's the show where Al has a really scratchy voice, so what otherwise would have been a good lead performance is a bit marred. There's some interesting Melcher/Beach Boys/Brian/Gary Usher stuff in "The Wilson Project", which covers Brian's Usher era. It seems Usher and Melcher were both in some ways possibly vying and jockeying in that 1986 time frame to produce the "next" Beach Boys album, which kind of never ended up happening (though SIP eventually did of course). Not sure either Usher or Melcher could have brought the goods to make a good BB album at the time, though to be fair they wouldn't have had a ton of help from the band members either. Melcher wrote some decent catchy songs with Mike, at least two or three on SIP a few years later. Usher seemed like a nice guy, but the songs he wrote with Brian in the 80s were mostly pretty "bleh." While I've never heard or read Carl or Al say anything bad about Melcher, it's interesting that Al and Carl walked out on the "Spirit of Rock and Roll" session in 1986 (not due to Melcher, but rather as apparently a protest to Landy), and both Al and Carl played limited roles in the one other "Beach Boys" project Melcher had a strong hand in, "Summer in Paradise." Again, I don't think Al and Carl had any problems with Melcher (Al said nice things about him in his 2000 Goldmine interview), but it seems like several times Melcher somehow ended up on the opposite side of Al and Carl, probably more to do with being buds with Mike I guess. If they could have all finished off "The Spirit of Rock and Roll" in 1986/87 as a "Beach Boys" single, that one might have been more successful than "R&R to the Rescue." The Spirit of Rock and Roll was an Usher and Brian project, not Melcher Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: HeyJude on March 11, 2016, 09:10:25 AM I don't believe Brian ever did "R&R to the Rescue" live with the band. They only did the song at a few dozen gigs in 1986, and Brian didn't even show for the most high profile gig they did the song at, the "Farm Aid" appearance from that year. I believe Farm Aid has uploaded high quality videos of a bunch of their shows over the years, so you can get a nice looking and sounding version of the BBs, sans Brian, doing the song live there. I think Al handles most or all of Brian's parts. Ironically, I think that's the show where Al has a really scratchy voice, so what otherwise would have been a good lead performance is a bit marred. There's some interesting Melcher/Beach Boys/Brian/Gary Usher stuff in "The Wilson Project", which covers Brian's Usher era. It seems Usher and Melcher were both in some ways possibly vying and jockeying in that 1986 time frame to produce the "next" Beach Boys album, which kind of never ended up happening (though SIP eventually did of course). Not sure either Usher or Melcher could have brought the goods to make a good BB album at the time, though to be fair they wouldn't have had a ton of help from the band members either. Melcher wrote some decent catchy songs with Mike, at least two or three on SIP a few years later. Usher seemed like a nice guy, but the songs he wrote with Brian in the 80s were mostly pretty "bleh." While I've never heard or read Carl or Al say anything bad about Melcher, it's interesting that Al and Carl walked out on the "Spirit of Rock and Roll" session in 1986 (not due to Melcher, but rather as apparently a protest to Landy), and both Al and Carl played limited roles in the one other "Beach Boys" project Melcher had a strong hand in, "Summer in Paradise." Again, I don't think Al and Carl had any problems with Melcher (Al said nice things about him in his 2000 Goldmine interview), but it seems like several times Melcher somehow ended up on the opposite side of Al and Carl, probably more to do with being buds with Mike I guess. If they could have all finished off "The Spirit of Rock and Roll" in 1986/87 as a "Beach Boys" single, that one might have been more successful than "R&R to the Rescue." The Spirit of Rock and Roll was an Usher and Brian project, not Melcher By "they", I simply meant the Beach Boys. I know the song was a co-write including Usher and Brian, and that they also produced it together. There really isn't a full BB version per se, the closest being the version done for the 25th Anniversary special, which was the Usher/Brian studio version with an extra layer of backing vocals from Mike, Bruce, and Glen Campbell. If they could have added Carl and Al to the track, smoothed it out a bit, whether finishing it with Usher or Melcher or someone else, it might have performed a little better than "R&R to the Rescue." While a bit cloying and a bit of novelty lyrically, I think "Spirit" is relatively solid musically. With better production, it could have sounded good even had it been attempted again a number of years later. Unfortunately, Brian's solo 2006 version just sounds rather limp. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: KDS on March 11, 2016, 09:14:48 AM You can tell there was a short period of time where the BBs certainly *tried* to get that single to be a bigger hit, going so far as to displace "California Girls" as the show opener, which they had been doing at that stage for around a decade or so. It's actually not a totally bad idea, thinking back, for them to open shows with new stuff. People would perhaps sometimes groan or take a beer break when they did new stuff in the middle of the show. But people are so amped when a show starts that anything uptempo might have work. They tried opening with "It's OK" for awhile in 1982, but that was dropped eventually in favor of "California Girls" again. I've always thought that I Get Around would make a good opener. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Gerry on March 11, 2016, 09:20:12 AM Some harsh words here by the usual suspects. I think the video was fine. I was thrilled to see the BB's in a video at the time , as it was always great to see the Boys on TV. It was supposed to be a fun song so they tried to make a fun video. I think the live version of the song was better than the studio recording. The song itself was just ok and Brian's style of singing at this time wasn't his best but hey, it was Brian Wilson and that's always good enough for me. Brian's somewhat troubling appearance on Solid Gold just adds to the legend and he did look great. Regarding Getcha Back; loved Brian's vocals on that, the falsetto and the tag. Also loved his vocal on She's Got Rhythm .Not the best song in the world but I think we were all wondering at the time if Brian still had the falsetto and while it wasn't Don't Worry Baby , it was a revelation in 1978.
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: southbay on March 11, 2016, 09:30:50 AM I don't believe Brian ever did "R&R to the Rescue" live with the band. They only did the song at a few dozen gigs in 1986, and Brian didn't even show for the most high profile gig they did the song at, the "Farm Aid" appearance from that year. I believe Farm Aid has uploaded high quality videos of a bunch of their shows over the years, so you can get a nice looking and sounding version of the BBs, sans Brian, doing the song live there. I think Al handles most or all of Brian's parts. Ironically, I think that's the show where Al has a really scratchy voice, so what otherwise would have been a good lead performance is a bit marred. There's some interesting Melcher/Beach Boys/Brian/Gary Usher stuff in "The Wilson Project", which covers Brian's Usher era. It seems Usher and Melcher were both in some ways possibly vying and jockeying in that 1986 time frame to produce the "next" Beach Boys album, which kind of never ended up happening (though SIP eventually did of course). Not sure either Usher or Melcher could have brought the goods to make a good BB album at the time, though to be fair they wouldn't have had a ton of help from the band members either. Melcher wrote some decent catchy songs with Mike, at least two or three on SIP a few years later. Usher seemed like a nice guy, but the songs he wrote with Brian in the 80s were mostly pretty "bleh." While I've never heard or read Carl or Al say anything bad about Melcher, it's interesting that Al and Carl walked out on the "Spirit of Rock and Roll" session in 1986 (not due to Melcher, but rather as apparently a protest to Landy), and both Al and Carl played limited roles in the one other "Beach Boys" project Melcher had a strong hand in, "Summer in Paradise." Again, I don't think Al and Carl had any problems with Melcher (Al said nice things about him in his 2000 Goldmine interview), but it seems like several times Melcher somehow ended up on the opposite side of Al and Carl, probably more to do with being buds with Mike I guess. If they could have all finished off "The Spirit of Rock and Roll" in 1986/87 as a "Beach Boys" single, that one might have been more successful than "R&R to the Rescue." The Spirit of Rock and Roll was an Usher and Brian project, not Melcher By "they", I simply meant the Beach Boys. I know the song was a co-write including Usher and Brian, and that they also produced it together. There really isn't a full BB version per se, the closest being the version done for the 25th Anniversary special, which was the Usher/Brian studio version with an extra layer of backing vocals from Mike, Bruce, and Glen Campbell. If they could have added Carl and Al to the track, smoothed it out a bit, whether finishing it with Usher or Melcher or someone else, it might have performed a little better than "R&R to the Rescue." While a bit cloying and a bit of novelty lyrically, I think "Spirit" is relatively solid musically. With better production, it could have sounded good even had it been attempted again a number of years later. Unfortunately, Brian's solo 2006 version just sounds rather limp. Yeah, agree with your take on this. I was just clarifying that it was Usher and Brian (due to Landy as you stated) that Carl and Al would not work with on the Rock and Roll to the Rescue session in Hawaii , not Melcher. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 11, 2016, 11:18:47 AM Supposedly Landy pulled Brian away from the production and flew him to Hawaii for a stress test, and Melcher left Brian's name off the production credit in retaliation. Stress test? I wonder if that was Scientology related. I'm actually serious in posing that question. Landy seems like he was using those type of tactics, with Brian's family in particular being the near-equivalent of "suppressive persons", etc. But it is a fascinating tidbit of info there, c-man. I wonder how many times Melcher actually worked with Brian in the studio after that incident. It seems Melcher worked with the BBs quite a lot after that song, maybe on 75%+ of their (admittedly small) output for the next half-decade, yet I'm pretty sure Brian only appears on the non-Melcher tracks. I can only imagine what lengths Melcher would have gone through to avoid dealing with Landy again. I could imagine that Brian's Kokomo non-appearance might have had something to do with the Melcher-Landy relationship. That's a good point about Kokomo. I don't have my CD of Still Cruisin' handy to check credits, and I couldn't locate the info in a Google search... does anyone know: Did Melcher produce or co-produce Island Girl or Make It Big? Being that those are the only new BB songs on that album with Brian audibly on them (Wipeout excluded intentionally), I'm just trying to deduce if there were in fact ANY songs by the BBs produced by Terry that have Brian on them (other than Rock and Roll to the Rescue). Certainly nothing off SIP does. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: HeyJude on March 11, 2016, 11:27:24 AM I don't believe Brian ever did "R&R to the Rescue" live with the band. They only did the song at a few dozen gigs in 1986, and Brian didn't even show for the most high profile gig they did the song at, the "Farm Aid" appearance from that year. I believe Farm Aid has uploaded high quality videos of a bunch of their shows over the years, so you can get a nice looking and sounding version of the BBs, sans Brian, doing the song live there. I think Al handles most or all of Brian's parts. Ironically, I think that's the show where Al has a really scratchy voice, so what otherwise would have been a good lead performance is a bit marred. There's some interesting Melcher/Beach Boys/Brian/Gary Usher stuff in "The Wilson Project", which covers Brian's Usher era. It seems Usher and Melcher were both in some ways possibly vying and jockeying in that 1986 time frame to produce the "next" Beach Boys album, which kind of never ended up happening (though SIP eventually did of course). Not sure either Usher or Melcher could have brought the goods to make a good BB album at the time, though to be fair they wouldn't have had a ton of help from the band members either. Melcher wrote some decent catchy songs with Mike, at least two or three on SIP a few years later. Usher seemed like a nice guy, but the songs he wrote with Brian in the 80s were mostly pretty "bleh." While I've never heard or read Carl or Al say anything bad about Melcher, it's interesting that Al and Carl walked out on the "Spirit of Rock and Roll" session in 1986 (not due to Melcher, but rather as apparently a protest to Landy), and both Al and Carl played limited roles in the one other "Beach Boys" project Melcher had a strong hand in, "Summer in Paradise." Again, I don't think Al and Carl had any problems with Melcher (Al said nice things about him in his 2000 Goldmine interview), but it seems like several times Melcher somehow ended up on the opposite side of Al and Carl, probably more to do with being buds with Mike I guess. If they could have all finished off "The Spirit of Rock and Roll" in 1986/87 as a "Beach Boys" single, that one might have been more successful than "R&R to the Rescue." The Spirit of Rock and Roll was an Usher and Brian project, not Melcher By "they", I simply meant the Beach Boys. I know the song was a co-write including Usher and Brian, and that they also produced it together. There really isn't a full BB version per se, the closest being the version done for the 25th Anniversary special, which was the Usher/Brian studio version with an extra layer of backing vocals from Mike, Bruce, and Glen Campbell. If they could have added Carl and Al to the track, smoothed it out a bit, whether finishing it with Usher or Melcher or someone else, it might have performed a little better than "R&R to the Rescue." While a bit cloying and a bit of novelty lyrically, I think "Spirit" is relatively solid musically. With better production, it could have sounded good even had it been attempted again a number of years later. Unfortunately, Brian's solo 2006 version just sounds rather limp. Yeah, agree with your take on this. I was just clarifying that it was Usher and Brian (due to Landy as you stated) that Carl and Al would not work with on the Rock and Roll to the Rescue session in Hawaii , not Melcher. True, and I don't even sense it was Usher or Brian that Al and Carl had a problem with. (Al did infamously kvetch to Usher about the loan from 23 years prior). They had an issue with Landy. Even Usher's own words don't make it extensively clear what Carl and Al were trying to accomplish by "protesting" Landy, other than to make a point. I obviously wish their point had made for of an impact. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: southbay on March 11, 2016, 11:30:42 AM Supposedly Landy pulled Brian away from the production and flew him to Hawaii for a stress test, and Melcher left Brian's name off the production credit in retaliation. Stress test? I wonder if that was Scientology related. I'm actually serious in posing that question. Landy seems like he was using those type of tactics, with Brian's family in particular being the near-equivalent of "suppressive persons", etc. But it is a fascinating tidbit of info there, c-man. I wonder how many times Melcher actually worked with Brian in the studio after that incident. It seems Melcher worked with the BBs quite a lot after that song, maybe on 75%+ of their (admittedly small) output for the next half-decade, yet I'm pretty sure Brian only appears on the non-Melcher tracks. I can only imagine what lengths Melcher would have gone through to avoid dealing with Landy again. I could imagine that Brian's Kokomo non-appearance might have had something to do with the Melcher-Landy relationship. That's a good point about Kokomo. I don't have my CD of Still Cruisin' handy to check credits, and I couldn't locate the info in a Google search... does anyone know: Did Melcher produce or co-produce Island Girl or Make It Big? Being that those are the only new BB songs on that album with Brian audibly on them (Wipeout excluded intentionally), I'm just trying to deduce if there were in fact ANY songs by the BBs produced by Terry that have Brian on them (other than Rock and Roll to the Rescue). Certainly nothing off SIP does. Melcher co-wrote and produced Make it Big Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: AndrewHickey on March 11, 2016, 12:20:14 PM I don't have my CD of Still Cruisin' handy to check credits, and I couldn't locate the info in a Google search... does anyone know: Did Melcher produce or co-produce Island Girl or Make It Big? Being that those are the only new BB songs on that album with Brian audibly on them (Wipeout excluded intentionally), I'm just trying to deduce if there were in fact ANY songs by the BBs produced by Terry that have Brian on them (other than Rock and Roll to the Rescue). Certainly nothing off SIP does. Is Brian on Make It Big? I've never heard him on there... He *is* on In My Car, though -- are you thinking of that? Melcher produced every new track on Still Cruisin' except Island Girl (produced by Al), In My Car (produced by Brian and, allegedly, Landy), and Wipe Out ( credit “Produced by Albert Cabrera and Tony Moran (Little Rascals) in association with the Beach Boys, co-produced by Darren Robinson and Damon Wimbley”). Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: “Big Daddy” on March 11, 2016, 12:29:20 PM I hear Brian at the end of “Make It Big.”
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 11, 2016, 12:37:53 PM I hear Brian at the end of “Make It Big.” Brian's vocal interplay with Mike at the end of Make it Big is amazing. They both sound killer. Mike sounds like he's almost approaching falsetto there. It may sound crazy, but the tag to that song has become one of my favorite moments in the band's catalog. I don't care how cheesy or 80s it is, I love that tag a bunch. While it amounts to a tiny cameo, I guess Brian's vocal on Make it Big is Brian's only post-Rock and Roll to the Rescue appearance on any Terry-produced BB song. I wonder that part was just shoehorned in at the last minute. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: adamghost on March 11, 2016, 12:49:40 PM I actually love Brian's vocal on RRTTR, but I'm clearly in the minority (I also love the disco HCTN). He just sounds so engaged to me.
The Solid Gold appearance is disturbing, though. Especially if you look at Brian's hands on the keyboard - he's actually pounding them with his fists. His body language is terrified. Fun fact - a woman I used to duet with in a cover band is one of the bathing beauties in the video. She still looks stunning, too. I saw them do this in Binghamton, NY live in 1986 at what was a very professional concert, far cry from the other time I saw them in '81. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 11, 2016, 01:07:32 PM I actually love Brian's vocal on RRTTR, but I'm clearly in the minority (I also love the disco HCTN). He just sounds so engaged to me. The Solid Gold appearance is disturbing, though. Especially if you look at Brian's hands on the keyboard - he's actually pounding them with his fists. His body language is terrified. Fun fact - a woman I used to duet with in a cover band is one of the bathing beauties in the video. She still looks stunning, too. I saw them do this in Binghamton, NY live in 1986 at what was a very professional concert, far cry from the other time I saw them in '81. I agree, even though Brian's vocals are a bit "off", he does sound like he's really into it, and that helps elevate the song quite a lot. The Solid Gold appearance is so weird, for all the reasons you mentioned, but also especially Brian's odd short-lived bowl-like 80s haircut. Not sure what was going on there. I've only ever seen one other image where Brian had that haircut, and I think it's a pic of him and Gary Busey! I do love how the crowd cheers loudly when Carl sings his lines (lip-synced as they were). I wonder, were there just a bunch of big Carl fans in attendance that night? Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: southbay on March 11, 2016, 01:38:41 PM I don't have my CD of Still Cruisin' handy to check credits, and I couldn't locate the info in a Google search... does anyone know: Did Melcher produce or co-produce Island Girl or Make It Big? Being that those are the only new BB songs on that album with Brian audibly on them (Wipeout excluded intentionally), I'm just trying to deduce if there were in fact ANY songs by the BBs produced by Terry that have Brian on them (other than Rock and Roll to the Rescue). Certainly nothing off SIP does. Is Brian on Make It Big? I've never heard him on there... He *is* on In My Car, though -- are you thinking of that? Melcher produced every new track on Still Cruisin' except Island Girl (produced by Al), In My Car (produced by Brian and, allegedly, Landy), and Wipe Out ( credit “Produced by Albert Cabrera and Tony Moran (Little Rascals) in association with the Beach Boys, co-produced by Darren Robinson and Damon Wimbley”). Brian is very audible with Mike on the closing tag Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: southbay on March 11, 2016, 01:40:03 PM I actually love Brian's vocal on RRTTR, but I'm clearly in the minority (I also love the disco HCTN). He just sounds so engaged to me. The Solid Gold appearance is disturbing, though. Especially if you look at Brian's hands on the keyboard - he's actually pounding them with his fists. His body language is terrified. Fun fact - a woman I used to duet with in a cover band is one of the bathing beauties in the video. She still looks stunning, too. I saw them do this in Binghamton, NY live in 1986 at what was a very professional concert, far cry from the other time I saw them in '81. I agree, even though Brian's vocals are a bit "off", he does sound like he's really into it, and that helps elevate the song quite a lot. The Solid Gold appearance is so weird, for all the reasons you mentioned, but also especially Brian's odd short-lived bowl-like 80s haircut. Not sure what was going on there. I've only ever seen one other image where Brian had that haircut, and I think it's a pic of him and Gary Busey! I do love how the crowd cheers loudly when Carl sings his lines (lip-synced as they were). I wonder, were there just a bunch of big Carl fans in attendance that night? I always thought Brian's hair in 86 was kind of a throwback to his Pet Sounds days Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: HeyJude on March 11, 2016, 02:17:22 PM Brian sings backing vocals on "Make It Big" (audible on the ending tag), and also on "Island Girl" (on the intro). In fact, Al mentioned that it was a hassle to steal Brian away for any time to sing in little bits of BB sessions in his 2000 Goldmine interview:
My favorite Beach Boys island song is a little-known tune called "Island Girl." I love the intro. It was the last time that Carl, Brian and I sang an a capella fugue together straight form the heart. We invented the parts right on the spot. I only had a half-hour with Brian. It was during the Gene Landy conservatorship period, and he gave me Brian for only a half-hour to do the song. [laughs] Talk about pressure. But it had great primal energy. "In My Car" is of course a Brian solo track with Carl singing the first verse and Al singing the second and third. Brian sounds to be doing all the backing vocals. So Al and Carl sing parts of the lead, and Mike and Bruce aren't on that one. I don't hear Brian on "Still Cruisin'" or "Somewhere Near Japan." So it's interesting that Brian does appear on four of the seven "new" tracks on the "Still Cruisin'" album. I believe Brian also added vocals to Al's "Don't Fight the Sea" around this same time/era (1989), though I don't know if it was literally the same session as "Island Girl", where Al apparently got Brian from Landy for a half hour. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: AndrewHickey on March 11, 2016, 04:27:19 PM I always assumed that over-processed voice with Mike right at the end of Make It Big was Al, but you're right, it does sound like Brian...
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Custom Machine on March 11, 2016, 05:33:56 PM It's the day after my initial comments and time to add that I agree with c-man that the track itself rocks - but it definitely (IMO, of course) needed some different lyrics. While I still consider the R&RttR video an embarrassment for the BBs, the woman at 1:50 does make that part an enjoyable viewing experience. And finally, I absolutely love BW's vocals on Getcha Back, both the falsettos and the tag.
All in all, one of the cool aspects of BB fandom is that their wide body of work provides for some pronounced differences of opinion concerning various tracks. So I'll (gulp) say it again -- I've always liked the disco version of Here Comes the Night. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: bringahorseinhere? on March 11, 2016, 05:38:10 PM don't gulp 'custom'. I like the disco version too! periodically i'll bring out the 12" coloured vinyl and spin it. It's cool man!
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Smilin Ed H on March 12, 2016, 01:05:12 AM Some harsh words here by the usual suspects. Seriously? Bottom line is: I don't like the song and you do. Nothing more. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 12, 2016, 04:58:46 AM I always assumed that over-processed voice with Mike right at the end of Make It Big was Al, but you're right, it does sound like Brian... Because it is ? :) Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Sheriff John Stone on March 12, 2016, 06:22:37 AM All in all, one of the cool aspects of BB fandom is that their wide body of work provides for some pronounced differences of opinion concerning various tracks. So I'll (gulp) say it again -- I've always liked the disco version of Here Comes the Night. What I have noticed through the years is - AMONG BEACH BOY'S FANS - the problem with the disco version of "Here Comes The Night" isn't the track itself, but the length and space it takes up on L.A. Light Album (which could've been used for another 2-3 songs). Also, it did come out slightly late in the disco era, and it had to fight the negative stigma of The Beach Boys jumping on the disco "bandwagon". I think "Here Comes The Night" is well produced, the lead and backing vocals are excellent, and, having heard it on AM radio in 1979 while cruising around, it sounded pretty good. I'm still waiting for an official digital/CD release of the single version so I can put it on a comp! :police: Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: AndrewHickey on March 12, 2016, 07:50:13 AM I always assumed that over-processed voice with Mike right at the end of Make It Big was Al, but you're right, it does sound like Brian... Because it is ? :) That would certainly be the most likely explanation, yes ;) Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 12, 2016, 08:54:44 AM "In My Car" is of course a Brian solo track with Carl singing the first verse and Al singing the second and third. Brian sounds to be doing all the backing vocals. So Al and Carl sing parts of the lead, and Mike and Bruce aren't on that one. If you've got a version with Carl & Alan singing on the verses - instead of Brian - and not the chorus (as they do on my copy of Still Cruisin' purchased on release), then I think you can name your price. ;D Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 12, 2016, 09:01:27 AM I think "Here Comes The Night" is well produced, the lead and backing vocals are excellent, and, having heard it on AM radio in 1979 while cruising around, it sounded pretty good. I'm still waiting for an official digital/CD release of the single version so I can put it on a comp! :police: Released on the 1995 2CD UK comp The Best Of The Beach Boys. CD 1 01. The Beach Boys - California girls (02:39) 02. The Beach Boys - Surfin' U.S.A. (02:28) 03. The Beach Boys - Little deuce coupe (01:39) 04. The Beach Boys - Fun fun fun (02:20) 05. The Beach Boys - Surfer girl (02:28) 06. The Beach Boys - I get around (02:14) 07. The Beach Boys - Girls on the beach (02:22) 08. The Beach Boys - Don't worry baby (02:48) 09. The Beach Boys - When I grow up (to be a Mmn) (02:01) 10. The Beach Boys - All summer long (02:05) 11. The Beach Boys - Wendy (02:15) 12. The Beach Boys - Do you wanna dance (02:19) 13. The Beach Boys - Dance dance dance (01:59) 14. The Beach Boys - In my room (02:13) 15. The Beach Boys - Help me Rhonda (02:48) 16. The Beach Boys - Then I kissed her (02:14) 17. The Beach Boys - The little girl I once knew (02:31) 18. The Beach Boys - Barbara-Ann (02:07) 19. The Beach Boys - Sloop John B. (02:58) 20. The Beach Boys - You're so good to me (02:16) 21. The Beach Boys - Caroline no (02:53) 22. The Beach Boys - God only knows (02:50) 23. The Beach Boys - Wouldn't it be nice (02:23) 24. The Beach Boys - Heroes and villains (03:36) CD 2 01. The Beach Boys - Good vibrations (03:37) 02. The Beach Boys - Darlin' (02:12) 03. The Beach Boys - Wild honey (02:37) 04. The Beach Boys - Friends (02:31) 05. The Beach Boys - Do it again (02:25) 06. The Beach Boys - Bluebirds over the mountain (02:53) 07. The Beach Boys - I can hear music (02:39) 08. The Beach Boys - Break away (02:55) 09. The Beach Boys - Cottonfields (The cotton song) (03:02) 10. The Beach Boys - Forever (02:39) 11. The Beach Boys - Tears in the morning (04:07) 12. The Beach Boys - Disney girls (04:09) 13. The Beach Boys - Surf's up (04:12) 14. The Beach Boys - Sail on sailor (03:21) 15. The Beach Boys - Rock and roll music (02:30) 16. The Beach Boys - Here comes the night (04:35) 17. The Beach Boys - Lady Lynda (04:02) 18. The Beach Boys - Sumahama (04:12) 19. The Beach Boys - California dreamin' (03:12) 20. The Beach Boys - Kokomo (03:36) Very fair comp, actually... Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Sheriff John Stone on March 12, 2016, 10:13:36 AM I think "Here Comes The Night" is well produced, the lead and backing vocals are excellent, and, having heard it on AM radio in 1979 while cruising around, it sounded pretty good. I'm still waiting for an official digital/CD release of the single version so I can put it on a comp! :police: Released on the 1995 2CD UK comp The Best Of The Beach Boys. CD 1 01. The Beach Boys - California girls (02:39) 02. The Beach Boys - Surfin' U.S.A. (02:28) 03. The Beach Boys - Little deuce coupe (01:39) 04. The Beach Boys - Fun fun fun (02:20) 05. The Beach Boys - Surfer girl (02:28) 06. The Beach Boys - I get around (02:14) 07. The Beach Boys - Girls on the beach (02:22) 08. The Beach Boys - Don't worry baby (02:48) 09. The Beach Boys - When I grow up (to be a Mmn) (02:01) 10. The Beach Boys - All summer long (02:05) 11. The Beach Boys - Wendy (02:15) 12. The Beach Boys - Do you wanna dance (02:19) 13. The Beach Boys - Dance dance dance (01:59) 14. The Beach Boys - In my room (02:13) 15. The Beach Boys - Help me Rhonda (02:48) 16. The Beach Boys - Then I kissed her (02:14) 17. The Beach Boys - The little girl I once knew (02:31) 18. The Beach Boys - Barbara-Ann (02:07) 19. The Beach Boys - Sloop John B. (02:58) 20. The Beach Boys - You're so good to me (02:16) 21. The Beach Boys - Caroline no (02:53) 22. The Beach Boys - God only knows (02:50) 23. The Beach Boys - Wouldn't it be nice (02:23) 24. The Beach Boys - Heroes and villains (03:36) CD 2 01. The Beach Boys - Good vibrations (03:37) 02. The Beach Boys - Darlin' (02:12) 03. The Beach Boys - Wild honey (02:37) 04. The Beach Boys - Friends (02:31) 05. The Beach Boys - Do it again (02:25) 06. The Beach Boys - Bluebirds over the mountain (02:53) 07. The Beach Boys - I can hear music (02:39) 08. The Beach Boys - Break away (02:55) 09. The Beach Boys - Cottonfields (The cotton song) (03:02) 10. The Beach Boys - Forever (02:39) 11. The Beach Boys - Tears in the morning (04:07) 12. The Beach Boys - Disney girls (04:09) 13. The Beach Boys - Surf's up (04:12) 14. The Beach Boys - Sail on sailor (03:21) 15. The Beach Boys - Rock and roll music (02:30) 16. The Beach Boys - Here comes the night (04:35) 17. The Beach Boys - Lady Lynda (04:02) 18. The Beach Boys - Sumahama (04:12) 19. The Beach Boys - California dreamin' (03:12) 20. The Beach Boys - Kokomo (03:36) Very fair comp, actually... You wouldn't happen to (cough) own that comp, would you? ;) Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: joshferrell on March 12, 2016, 10:34:41 AM Brian did do a mimed TV appearance with the band for the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxJfuml6ir8 While we're at it, here's the live Farm Aid version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95W5kGk8hU0 And finally, the embarrassing music video made for the song, which probably didn't help it become a hit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKqd_9Xx9IQ That is sad to watch because Brian looks stiff and looks like he's just starring into space.. I see the "Landy-fied" version of Brian in the footage. :-\ Yes the video isn't great but all those ladies are great! :lol Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 12, 2016, 10:44:15 AM I think "Here Comes The Night" is well produced, the lead and backing vocals are excellent, and, having heard it on AM radio in 1979 while cruising around, it sounded pretty good. I'm still waiting for an official digital/CD release of the single version so I can put it on a comp! :police: Released on the 1995 2CD UK comp The Best Of The Beach Boys. CD 1 01. The Beach Boys - California girls (02:39) 02. The Beach Boys - Surfin' U.S.A. (02:28) 03. The Beach Boys - Little deuce coupe (01:39) 04. The Beach Boys - Fun fun fun (02:20) 05. The Beach Boys - Surfer girl (02:28) 06. The Beach Boys - I get around (02:14) 07. The Beach Boys - Girls on the beach (02:22) 08. The Beach Boys - Don't worry baby (02:48) 09. The Beach Boys - When I grow up (to be a Mmn) (02:01) 10. The Beach Boys - All summer long (02:05) 11. The Beach Boys - Wendy (02:15) 12. The Beach Boys - Do you wanna dance (02:19) 13. The Beach Boys - Dance dance dance (01:59) 14. The Beach Boys - In my room (02:13) 15. The Beach Boys - Help me Rhonda (02:48) 16. The Beach Boys - Then I kissed her (02:14) 17. The Beach Boys - The little girl I once knew (02:31) 18. The Beach Boys - Barbara-Ann (02:07) 19. The Beach Boys - Sloop John B. (02:58) 20. The Beach Boys - You're so good to me (02:16) 21. The Beach Boys - Caroline no (02:53) 22. The Beach Boys - God only knows (02:50) 23. The Beach Boys - Wouldn't it be nice (02:23) 24. The Beach Boys - Heroes and villains (03:36) CD 2 01. The Beach Boys - Good vibrations (03:37) 02. The Beach Boys - Darlin' (02:12) 03. The Beach Boys - Wild honey (02:37) 04. The Beach Boys - Friends (02:31) 05. The Beach Boys - Do it again (02:25) 06. The Beach Boys - Bluebirds over the mountain (02:53) 07. The Beach Boys - I can hear music (02:39) 08. The Beach Boys - Break away (02:55) 09. The Beach Boys - Cottonfields (The cotton song) (03:02) 10. The Beach Boys - Forever (02:39) 11. The Beach Boys - Tears in the morning (04:07) 12. The Beach Boys - Disney girls (04:09) 13. The Beach Boys - Surf's up (04:12) 14. The Beach Boys - Sail on sailor (03:21) 15. The Beach Boys - Rock and roll music (02:30) 16. The Beach Boys - Here comes the night (04:35) 17. The Beach Boys - Lady Lynda (04:02) 18. The Beach Boys - Sumahama (04:12) 19. The Beach Boys - California dreamin' (03:12) 20. The Beach Boys - Kokomo (03:36) Very fair comp, actually... You wouldn't happen to (cough) own that comp, would you? ;) But of course. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: adamghost on March 12, 2016, 10:50:03 AM All in all, one of the cool aspects of BB fandom is that their wide body of work provides for some pronounced differences of opinion concerning various tracks. So I'll (gulp) say it again -- I've always liked the disco version of Here Comes the Night. What I have noticed through the years is - AMONG BEACH BOY'S FANS - the problem with the disco version of "Here Comes The Night" isn't the track itself, but the length and space it takes up on L.A. Light Album (which could've been used for another 2-3 songs). Also, it did come out slightly late in the disco era, and it had to fight the negative stigma of The Beach Boys jumping on the disco "bandwagon". I think "Here Comes The Night" is well produced, the lead and backing vocals are excellent, and, having heard it on AM radio in 1979 while cruising around, it sounded pretty good. I'm still waiting for an official digital/CD release of the single version so I can put it on a comp! :police: This thread made me cue up HCTN last night and give it a listen for the first time in a long time. Yup, still love it! Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: AndrewHickey on March 12, 2016, 11:04:27 AM I think "Here Comes The Night" is well produced, the lead and backing vocals are excellent, and, having heard it on AM radio in 1979 while cruising around, it sounded pretty good. I'm still waiting for an official digital/CD release of the single version so I can put it on a comp! :police: Released on the 1995 2CD UK comp The Best Of The Beach Boys. Also on the 3-CD Platinum Collection: Sounds Of Summer Edition, which is still in print and probably the best-value compilation you could imagine -- sixty songs for £10.25 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Platinum-Collection-Sounds-Summer/dp/B00023XWIW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1457809263&sr=8-1&keywords=beach+boys+platinum+collection (The second Fun Fun Fun on the tracklisting is the Status Quo version). Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: The Real Barnyard on March 12, 2016, 11:15:18 AM I think "Here Comes The Night" is well produced, the lead and backing vocals are excellent, and, having heard it on AM radio in 1979 while cruising around, it sounded pretty good. I'm still waiting for an official digital/CD release of the single version so I can put it on a comp! :police: Released on the 1995 2CD UK comp The Best Of The Beach Boys. CD 1 01. The Beach Boys - California girls (02:39) 02. The Beach Boys - Surfin' U.S.A. (02:28) 03. The Beach Boys - Little deuce coupe (01:39) 04. The Beach Boys - Fun fun fun (02:20) 05. The Beach Boys - Surfer girl (02:28) 06. The Beach Boys - I get around (02:14) 07. The Beach Boys - Girls on the beach (02:22) 08. The Beach Boys - Don't worry baby (02:48) 09. The Beach Boys - When I grow up (to be a Mmn) (02:01) 10. The Beach Boys - All summer long (02:05) 11. The Beach Boys - Wendy (02:15) 12. The Beach Boys - Do you wanna dance (02:19) 13. The Beach Boys - Dance dance dance (01:59) 14. The Beach Boys - In my room (02:13) 15. The Beach Boys - Help me Rhonda (02:48) 16. The Beach Boys - Then I kissed her (02:14) 17. The Beach Boys - The little girl I once knew (02:31) 18. The Beach Boys - Barbara-Ann (02:07) 19. The Beach Boys - Sloop John B. (02:58) 20. The Beach Boys - You're so good to me (02:16) 21. The Beach Boys - Caroline no (02:53) 22. The Beach Boys - God only knows (02:50) 23. The Beach Boys - Wouldn't it be nice (02:23) 24. The Beach Boys - Heroes and villains (03:36) CD 2 01. The Beach Boys - Good vibrations (03:37) 02. The Beach Boys - Darlin' (02:12) 03. The Beach Boys - Wild honey (02:37) 04. The Beach Boys - Friends (02:31) 05. The Beach Boys - Do it again (02:25) 06. The Beach Boys - Bluebirds over the mountain (02:53) 07. The Beach Boys - I can hear music (02:39) 08. The Beach Boys - Break away (02:55) 09. The Beach Boys - Cottonfields (The cotton song) (03:02) 10. The Beach Boys - Forever (02:39) 11. The Beach Boys - Tears in the morning (04:07) 12. The Beach Boys - Disney girls (04:09) 13. The Beach Boys - Surf's up (04:12) 14. The Beach Boys - Sail on sailor (03:21) 15. The Beach Boys - Rock and roll music (02:30) 16. The Beach Boys - Here comes the night (04:35) 17. The Beach Boys - Lady Lynda (04:02) 18. The Beach Boys - Sumahama (04:12) 19. The Beach Boys - California dreamin' (03:12) 20. The Beach Boys - Kokomo (03:36) Very fair comp, actually... Released also on the 2000 UK CD The Best Of The Beach Boys 1970-1986: The Brother Years. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: adamghost on March 12, 2016, 11:15:32 AM You know I was thinking when I was listening to HCTN is LA (on this track, "Good Timin," "Baby Blue," etc.) was one of the very few times Carl took the BW falsetto role - I can only think of one or two other instances offhand where that happened. And he sounded amazing doing it. Carl's falsetto howl on disco HCTN - spine tingling! Wow...sorry, but it dusts Brian's on the WILD HONEY track.
Thread drift, sorry.... Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Sheriff John Stone on March 12, 2016, 11:20:18 AM I think "Here Comes The Night" is well produced, the lead and backing vocals are excellent, and, having heard it on AM radio in 1979 while cruising around, it sounded pretty good. I'm still waiting for an official digital/CD release of the single version so I can put it on a comp! :police: Released on the 1995 2CD UK comp The Best Of The Beach Boys. CD 1 01. The Beach Boys - California girls (02:39) 02. The Beach Boys - Surfin' U.S.A. (02:28) 03. The Beach Boys - Little deuce coupe (01:39) 04. The Beach Boys - Fun fun fun (02:20) 05. The Beach Boys - Surfer girl (02:28) 06. The Beach Boys - I get around (02:14) 07. The Beach Boys - Girls on the beach (02:22) 08. The Beach Boys - Don't worry baby (02:48) 09. The Beach Boys - When I grow up (to be a Mmn) (02:01) 10. The Beach Boys - All summer long (02:05) 11. The Beach Boys - Wendy (02:15) 12. The Beach Boys - Do you wanna dance (02:19) 13. The Beach Boys - Dance dance dance (01:59) 14. The Beach Boys - In my room (02:13) 15. The Beach Boys - Help me Rhonda (02:48) 16. The Beach Boys - Then I kissed her (02:14) 17. The Beach Boys - The little girl I once knew (02:31) 18. The Beach Boys - Barbara-Ann (02:07) 19. The Beach Boys - Sloop John B. (02:58) 20. The Beach Boys - You're so good to me (02:16) 21. The Beach Boys - Caroline no (02:53) 22. The Beach Boys - God only knows (02:50) 23. The Beach Boys - Wouldn't it be nice (02:23) 24. The Beach Boys - Heroes and villains (03:36) CD 2 01. The Beach Boys - Good vibrations (03:37) 02. The Beach Boys - Darlin' (02:12) 03. The Beach Boys - Wild honey (02:37) 04. The Beach Boys - Friends (02:31) 05. The Beach Boys - Do it again (02:25) 06. The Beach Boys - Bluebirds over the mountain (02:53) 07. The Beach Boys - I can hear music (02:39) 08. The Beach Boys - Break away (02:55) 09. The Beach Boys - Cottonfields (The cotton song) (03:02) 10. The Beach Boys - Forever (02:39) 11. The Beach Boys - Tears in the morning (04:07) 12. The Beach Boys - Disney girls (04:09) 13. The Beach Boys - Surf's up (04:12) 14. The Beach Boys - Sail on sailor (03:21) 15. The Beach Boys - Rock and roll music (02:30) 16. The Beach Boys - Here comes the night (04:35) 17. The Beach Boys - Lady Lynda (04:02) 18. The Beach Boys - Sumahama (04:12) 19. The Beach Boys - California dreamin' (03:12) 20. The Beach Boys - Kokomo (03:36) Very fair comp, actually... Released also on the 2000 UK CD The Best Of The Beach Boys 1970-1986: The Brother Years. Well, thanks for the heads-up everybody! Obviously, I gotta get caught up on my UK Beach Boys' compilations. :police: Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: AndrewHickey on March 12, 2016, 12:45:34 PM Well, thanks for the heads-up everybody! Obviously, I gotta get caught up on my UK Beach Boys' compilations. :police: Yeah, it was a top forty hit over here, so it appears on most of the more thorough compilations.(LA was actually the best album in terms of generating UK charting singles the band had had since 20/20, with Here Comes The Night going top forty, Lady Lynda making number six, and Sumahama going to forty-five. The Beach Boys' chart career over here is surprisingly different...) Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: PhilSpectre on March 12, 2016, 02:01:13 PM Back on topic, I've always loved RRTTR, especially Brian and Carl's lead vocals and Mike's backing vocals.
I would go so far as to say it is the I Get Around of the 80s 8). Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: ESQ Editor on March 12, 2016, 06:26:07 PM Have always loved this song.
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: bringahorseinhere? on March 12, 2016, 06:30:46 PM does anybody know the deal that this was released on Capitol and not CBS?
did they sign a new deal at that point? Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: bringahorseinhere? on March 12, 2016, 06:34:10 PM playing my 12" single of this. it contains the 'party mix' and the 'extended dance' version.
these still aren't found on any CD release. Thank goodness for records! Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 12, 2016, 10:59:15 PM does anybody know the deal that this was released on Capitol and not CBS? did they sign a new deal at that point? The deal with Caribou/CBS expired after the release of the 1985 album, as the company had no intention of resigning them. Seems no-one else was much interested either. In the subsequent years, the band had singles - sometimes in collaboration, granted - on Capitol, Tin Pan Apple, Critique, Elektra, RCA, Scotti Bros. & River North. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Lonely Summer on March 12, 2016, 11:42:45 PM I always liked this track. I saw it live at a couple of shows in 1986. The first was in Evansville, Indiana, on July 30th. Katrina and the Waves were the opening act. The Beach Boys opened with Rock & Roll to the Rescue, followed by Rock & Roll Music and then Good Vibrations, in a radically redesigned set list. Mike sang lead on the live version; I've often thought it would have been a bigger hit had he sung lead on the studio recording in place of Brian. I saw them on the same tour, but I'm sure California Girls was the opener, with Rescue in the #2 spot.Here's the set list from the next night, in Dayton, Ohio, thanks to AGD. This is the same set list I saw: 1. Rock and Roll To The Rescue 2. Rock and Roll Music 3. Good Vibrations 4. Getcha Back 5. Darlin 6. Dance Dance Dance 7. Wouldn't It Be Nice 8. God Only Knows 9. Sloop John B 10. Come Go With Me 11. Okie From Muskogee (briefly) 12. Little Deuce Coupe 13. Little Old Lady From Pasadena 14. Hey Little Cobra 15. Shut Down 16. 409 17. Little GTO 18. I Get Around 19. In My Room 20. Do It Again 21. Help Me Rhonda 22. Surfin Safari 23. Surf City 24. Surfin USA Encore: 25. California Dreamin' 26. California Girls 27. Barbara Ann 28. Fun Fun Fun Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: The_Beach on March 13, 2016, 08:53:28 AM I always liked this track. I saw it live at a couple of shows in 1986. The first was in Evansville, Indiana, on July 30th. Katrina and the Waves were the opening act. The Beach Boys opened with Rock & Roll to the Rescue, followed by Rock & Roll Music and then Good Vibrations, in a radically redesigned set list. Mike sang lead on the live version; I've often thought it would have been a bigger hit had he sung lead on the studio recording in place of Brian. I saw them on the same tour, but I'm sure California Girls was the opener, with Rescue in the #2 spot.Here's the set list from the next night, in Dayton, Ohio, thanks to AGD. This is the same set list I saw: 1. Rock and Roll To The Rescue 2. Rock and Roll Music 3. Good Vibrations 4. Getcha Back 5. Darlin 6. Dance Dance Dance 7. Wouldn't It Be Nice 8. God Only Knows 9. Sloop John B 10. Come Go With Me 11. Okie From Muskogee (briefly) 12. Little Deuce Coupe 13. Little Old Lady From Pasadena 14. Hey Little Cobra 15. Shut Down 16. 409 17. Little GTO 18. I Get Around 19. In My Room 20. Do It Again 21. Help Me Rhonda 22. Surfin Safari 23. Surf City 24. Surfin USA Encore: 25. California Dreamin' 26. California Girls 27. Barbara Ann 28. Fun Fun Fun I loved the Okie From Muskogee version from the 1980s it might be short but it actually was a country version of the song and not the pop version when they played it in the early 1970s. Its a fun version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ld3ETZweFE Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Kamandi on March 14, 2016, 03:17:14 PM - Love Rock n Roll to the Rescue. First heard it at home on a Beach Boys special on the radio hosted by Casey Kasem. The FM never played good at our house so it was hard to hear but exciting to hear a brand new BB song on the radio. After it all it had been a year since Getcha Back. Liked the song and my brother and I were wondering if that was Brian singing lead. When he bought the 12 inch single on cassette later that year his repeated listens had him report sadly it wasnt Brian singing, just Mike sped up. So for over 20 years afterwards I thought it was a Mike lead vocal but I still dug it.
- Love the video. Brian looking like he stepped off the back of the Holland LP with that long hair unshaven look and he seems to get more mellow after changing shirts to the grey sweater. Every time I watch it I wonder why Carl cracks up so much over Al doing that dance move while they sit in that car. - Saw the boys the first time that summer at Red Rocks just outside of Denver. Just showed up and bought tickets from a scalper. Southside Johnny opened for them. The opening song was Rock n Roll to the Rescue. To me it didnt sound as good as the record and Al blew the lyrics. Mike nudged him and pointed to a paper below Al's mic, where I presume the lyrics were taped. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Juice Brohnston on March 14, 2016, 03:28:21 PM - Love Rock n Roll to the Rescue. First heard it at home on a Beach Boys special on the radio hosted by Casey Kasem. The FM never played good at our house so it was hard to hear but exciting to hear a brand new BB song on the radio. After it all it had been a year since Getcha Back. Liked the song and my brother and I were wondering if that was Brian singing lead. When he bought the 12 inch single on cassette later that year his repeated listens had him report sadly it wasnt Brian singing, just Mike sped up. So for over 20 years afterwards I thought it was a Mike lead vocal but I still dug it. Damn fine memories!- Love the video. Brian looking like he stepped off the back of the Holland LP with that long hair unshaven look and he seems to get more mellow after changing shirts to the grey sweater. Every time I watch it I wonder why Carl cracks up so much over Al doing that dance move while they sit in that car. - Saw the boys the first time that summer at Red Rocks just outside of Denver. Just showed up and bought tickets from a scalper. Southside Johnny opened for them. The opening song was Rock n Roll to the Rescue. To me it didnt sound as good as the record and Al blew the lyrics. Mike nudged him and pointed to a paper below Al's mic, where I presume the lyrics were taped. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: southbay on March 14, 2016, 04:15:35 PM Al Jardine--great vocalist, horrible memory for lyrics.
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Gerry on March 14, 2016, 04:59:03 PM You are correct sir. If I had a nickel for every time Al screwed up WIBN, I'd have a lot of nickels.
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: The_Beach on March 14, 2016, 05:58:19 PM I Don't know how Al can be so forgetful! but who cares! He did screw up on the very first live performance of Rock And Roll To The Rescue if you can believe it!!! https://youtu.be/w_Uj1XFge7w
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 14, 2016, 11:32:23 PM Al Jardine--great vocalist, horrible memory for lyrics. He's singing all the right words, but not necessarily in the right order.. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Jay on March 15, 2016, 12:04:49 AM Other than Knebworth, I don't think I've heard any live version of Lady Lynda where Al got the words right.
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: HeyJude on March 15, 2016, 07:09:49 AM Other than Knebworth, I don't think I've heard any live version of Lady Lynda where Al got the words right. I think he got the words right at the 1980 DC show. That performance also has an awesome moment when Al totally gets a weird frog in his voice and sings a sour note, and he actually starts cracking up while singing it. But c'mon, I think Al just takes time to nail the lyrics down. It took until the 2012 C50 tour (and his solo album) to sing the final lines on the final verse of "California Dreamin'" correctly. Granted, I don't think he was ever forgetting the words previously on that one, just choosing for whatever reason to sing it the way. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Fall Breaks on March 15, 2016, 11:48:38 AM Wasn't that because the third verse on the studio version actually was the first verse flown in?
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 15, 2016, 12:16:33 PM Wasn't that because the third verse on the studio version actually was the first verse flown in? On the second version, yes. ;D Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: HeyJude on March 15, 2016, 12:38:19 PM The third verse may be simply a dub of the first verse (on the '86 version, as AGD mentions). On the other hand, the third verse on the '82 version sounds like the same recording/vocal take as the third verse on the '86 version (whereas Carl's second verse was re-recorded between the '82 and '86 versions).
That implies to me that Al made a conscious decision to sing the first verse again for the third verse. So it may well be that on the '86 version, they technically flew Al's "third verse" vocal into the first verse (replacing Mike's first verse from the '82 version). Either way, copying and pasting Al's vocal *because* they wanted the same lyrics on the first and third verses sounds much more plausible than having the same first and third verse lyrics *because* they had to copy and paste. That implies Al was unable to add any vocals in 1986. The fact that Al sang it the very same way from 1986 until pre-2012 tells me that, for whatever reason, he was choosing to use those lyrics. His studio re-recording, first issued on the second 2012 edition of "A Postcard from California", though probably recorded at any point in the prior five to ten years, was the first time I heard Al sing the "if I didn't tell her" third verse. He subsequently sang it that way on C50 as well. I'm not sure if Al just had the lyrics wrong all these years, or just decided arbitrarily to go back to the lyrics of the original Mamas & Papas recording. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 15, 2016, 02:40:39 PM As I recall, Mike's on the 1982 third verse, but not in 1986. Been a while...
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Steve Latshaw on March 17, 2016, 10:03:33 AM 1983 version
Mike / Carl / Al 1986 version Al / Carl / Al Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 17, 2016, 12:53:13 PM ... or was it the first verse ?
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: The_Beach on March 17, 2016, 03:19:51 PM 1983 version Mike / Carl / Al 1986 version Al / Carl / Al Are you talking about California dreamin'? Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 17, 2016, 03:28:39 PM It just occurred to me... I wonder if Brian's appearance on Rock n Roll to the Rescue as lead vocalist (a distinct rarity in those days for BB songs) was some sort of maneuver/demand by Landy, that it had to be Brian singing lead or he'd not be on it.
I was always surprised (pleasantly, as I don't dislike his vocals on it) that they gave Brian the lead on that, considering he wasn't a full time member of the band at the time, yet this was obviously a song they tried to push hard with all those remixes, etc. Was this a Landy-fied attempt at a Brian's Back Part II? Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Steve Latshaw on March 17, 2016, 03:51:10 PM I'm sorry, folks!
To Clarify... California Dreamin' 1983 - First verse Mike / Second verse Carl / Third verse Al 1986 - First verse Al / Second verse Carl / Third verse Al Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: c-man on March 18, 2016, 03:54:42 AM I'm sorry, folks! To Clarify... California Dreamin' 1983 - First verse Mike / Second verse Carl / Third verse Al 1986 - First verse Al / Second verse Carl / Third verse Al And yes, for the '86 version they copied Al's third verse lead and put it in place of Mike's first verse lead. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: The_Beach on March 18, 2016, 08:23:24 AM was the 1983 version ever released?
Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: HeyJude on March 18, 2016, 08:26:44 AM Yes, on the "Rock and Roll City" cassette release from Radio Shack.
That album later got a vinyl release under an alternate title ("Rock and Roll Again"?) sans the Beach Boys track. Title: Re: Rock n Roll to the Rescue Producer credits Post by: Lonely Summer on March 18, 2016, 09:39:29 PM Yes, on the "Rock and Roll City" cassette release from Radio Shack. I've never seen the vinyl version, but if it's like the Paul Revere and the Raiders album in the same series, the vinyl version omits all the guest artists.That album later got a vinyl release under an alternate title ("Rock and Roll Again"?) sans the Beach Boys track. |