Title: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: petsoundsnola on March 07, 2016, 11:48:32 AM I can identify only 9 songs from 1962-1985 that have the following characteristics:
- One Lead Singer - No Harmony vocals by others (double or multi tracking the lead vocal is allowed) - No background harmonies, counter melodies, oohhs, ahhs, etc. (not even the slightest additional vocals other than the lead singer are allowed) Oddly, all of the songs I can identify are from the 1960's and only the Wilson brothers get the spotlight. Please correct me if I have forgotten anything or made a mistake: Your Summer Dream, 1963, Brian In the Back of My Mind, 1965, Dennis Girl Don't Tell Me, 1965, Carl Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder), 1966, Brian Caroline, No, 1966, Brian I'd Love Just Once to See You, 1967, Brian How She Boogalooed It, 1967, Carl Be Still, 1968, Dennis Busy Doin' Nothing, 1968, Brian Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: drbeachboy on March 07, 2016, 11:57:06 AM Blue Christmas, 1964, Brian
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: petsoundsnola on March 07, 2016, 11:59:14 AM Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on March 07, 2016, 12:01:03 PM Does the unreleased "4th of July" count?
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: KDS on March 07, 2016, 12:01:58 PM Sorry, I removed as I didn't see Busy Doin Nothing on your list.
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: petsoundsnola on March 07, 2016, 12:02:34 PM Does the unreleased "4th of July" count? Oh man, if I started counting unreleased stuff this list would be a heckuva lot longer! Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Please delete my account on March 07, 2016, 12:03:28 PM I thought I read on here that Marilyn sang on "Busy Doin' Nothin'".
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 07, 2016, 12:13:34 PM I thought I read on here that Marilyn sang on "Busy Doin' Nothin'". Indeed you did. http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.msg69787.html#msg69787 Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Emily on March 07, 2016, 12:21:07 PM I can identify only 9 songs from 1962-1985 that have the following characteristics: How do background vocals by the lead singer count? - One Lead Singer - No Harmony vocals by others (double or multi tracking the lead vocal is allowed) - No background harmonies, counter melodies, oohhs, ahhs, etc. (not even the slightest additional vocals other than the lead singer are allowed) Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: petsoundsnola on March 07, 2016, 12:33:55 PM I thought I read on here that Marilyn sang on "Busy Doin' Nothin'". Indeed you did. http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,5525.msg69787.html#msg69787 Thank you so much. So, I will cross off Busy Doin' Nothin' and Add Blue Christmas. Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: petsoundsnola on March 07, 2016, 01:08:31 PM I can identify only 9 songs from 1962-1985 that have the following characteristics: How do background vocals by the lead singer count? - One Lead Singer - No Harmony vocals by others (double or multi tracking the lead vocal is allowed) - No background harmonies, counter melodies, oohhs, ahhs, etc. (not even the slightest additional vocals other than the lead singer are allowed) I wouldn't count them, but then there's the situation of Surfer Moon, which is Brian harmonizing with himself... a grey area! Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: bringahorseinhere? on March 07, 2016, 02:19:14 PM winter symphony? guess it don't count, it wasn't released til after.
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on March 07, 2016, 07:43:16 PM "I'd Love Just Once to See You" has a "bah bah bah" harmony part and then counterpoint/doo doo's at the fade.
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: drbeachboy on March 07, 2016, 07:56:41 PM winter symphony? guess it don't count, it wasn't released til after. Isn't Al singing along with Brian? It sure sounds like him.Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: jiggy22 on March 07, 2016, 08:06:47 PM What about the middle section of "In the Back of My Mind"? That has Brian and Carl singing in harmonies together.
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: bringahorseinhere? on March 07, 2016, 08:52:12 PM winter symphony? guess it don't count, it wasn't released til after. Isn't Al singing along with Brian? It sure sounds like him.just checked the liner notes. It says: produced by Brian Wilson & Al Jardine. Lead vocal: Brian (no mention of Al in credits) Al recalls it being done a year or two before 1977. Notes say basic track recorded 1975 or 76. Vocals and sweeting done in 1977. liner notes by Brad Elliot. Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: drbeachboy on March 08, 2016, 06:23:29 AM winter symphony? guess it don't count, it wasn't released til after. Isn't Al singing along with Brian? It sure sounds like him.just checked the liner notes. It says: produced by Brian Wilson & Al Jardine. Lead vocal: Brian (no mention of Al in credits) Al recalls it being done a year or two before 1977. Notes say basic track recorded 1975 or 76. Vocals and sweeting done in 1977. liner notes by Brad Elliot. Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 09, 2016, 06:17:47 AM I can identify only 9 songs from 1962-1985 that have the following characteristics: How do background vocals by the lead singer count? - One Lead Singer - No Harmony vocals by others (double or multi tracking the lead vocal is allowed) - No background harmonies, counter melodies, oohhs, ahhs, etc. (not even the slightest additional vocals other than the lead singer are allowed) I wouldn't count them, but then there's the situation of Surfer Moon, which is Brian harmonizing with himself... a grey area! Bass vocal is Mike. Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Mendota Heights on March 09, 2016, 06:22:01 AM The rarest Beach Boys song is a good SiP song. :-D
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Ninten on March 12, 2016, 10:55:06 PM The rarest Beach Boys song is a good SiP song. :-D So Lahaina Aloha then? Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 23, 2016, 03:06:19 AM The rarest Beach Boys song is a good SiP song. :-D Haha. Or... a song with a spoken section. There can't be too many of those. That's excluding studio instructions, informal chat and "talk tracks" (and that awful business at the start of "TM Song")... Songs on which a Boy or Boys speak as well as sing:** - Lonely Sea (Brian) - Finders Keepers (Mike) - Drive-In (Mike) - The Little Girl I Once Knew (Mike) - She's Goin' Bald (Brian and Mike) - Busy Doin' Nothin' (Brian) - At My Window (Brian) - Games Two Can Play (Brian) - Santa Ana Winds (Alan)* - The Beaks Of Eagles (Alan and Mike)* - Summertime Blues (Mike)* - Amusement Parks USA (who?)* - Please Let Me Wonder (Carl----or does someone else say "I love you"?)* - H.E.L.P. Is On The Way - Child Of Winter* - Good Time (Brian----"Hey!")* - Beach Boys Stomp (mob-handed----"Karate!")* - Custom Machine (Mike----"Step on the gas she goes...") - Do You Remember (Brian----"Goodness gracious great balls of fire!" - TM Song (a mob-handed mess)* Songs on which only others speak: - County Fair* - The Trader* Debated: - Wonderful (SS version) [not sure if any of the Boys speak during the "hash den" section] * Contributions by other posters ** Instrumentals where the title is shouted/spoken don't count. "Beach Boys Stomp" is an exception because they shout "Karate!" All corrections and additions most welcome Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 23, 2016, 03:25:47 AM "Santa Ana Winds".
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 23, 2016, 04:41:37 AM "Santa Ana Winds". Yes indeed, with Alan speaking, I assume. Thanks, Andrew. Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Emily on March 23, 2016, 06:12:35 AM The "Not my boys" in Don't Back Down is similar enough to the "Split man" in LGIOK that if you count one I think you have to count the other.
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: SufferingFools on March 23, 2016, 06:18:23 AM Does "The Beaks of Eagles" count as a talk track?
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 23, 2016, 06:34:01 AM The "Not my boys" in Don't Back Down is similar enough to the "Split man" in LGIOK that if you count one I think you have to count the other. I'd say that "Don't Back Down" is better qualified! Thanks. Does "The Beaks of Eagles" count as a talk track? Nope. Good call, SF. Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Emily on March 23, 2016, 06:46:04 AM Oh! I'm so sorry - I missed Don't Back Down in your original list. :-[
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 23, 2016, 09:32:29 AM Oh! I'm so sorry - I missed Don't Back Down in your original list. :-[ No you didn't. I took your advice and added it (see last line). Sorry if *I* wasn't clear enough. :=) Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Catbirdman on March 24, 2016, 10:02:11 AM Summertime Blues
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 24, 2016, 01:50:50 PM Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 25, 2016, 07:33:48 AM john, will you exclude "Don't Back Down" because "not my boys" is sung, it isn't spoken.
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 25, 2016, 09:56:34 AM john, will you exclude "Don't Back Down" because "not my boys" is sung, it isn't spoken. You're quite right, RR. Mike sings D flat, E flat and then low A flat (unless it was originally in G and speeded up). My apologies. I should have checked first... Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 25, 2016, 10:10:16 AM john, will you exclude "Don't Back Down" because "not my boys" is sung, it isn't spoken. You're quite right, RR. Mike sings D flat, E flat and then low A flat (unless it was originally in G and speeded up). My apologies. I should have checked first... Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on March 25, 2016, 10:17:10 AM I still think that I'd Love Just Once To See You needs to be taken off the original list, as someone else here noted.
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Dudd on March 25, 2016, 10:28:05 AM Or... a song with a spoken section. Please Let Me Wonder? "I love you." Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 25, 2016, 10:35:04 AM "Beach Boys Stomp"
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Emily on March 25, 2016, 03:46:26 PM john, will you exclude "Don't Back Down" because "not my boys" is sung, it isn't spoken. You're quite right, RR. Mike sings D flat, E flat and then low A flat (unless it was originally in G and speeded up). My apologies. I should have checked first... Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on March 25, 2016, 08:20:24 PM In the Back of my Mind is over dubbed. As for talking tracks, how about County Fair and Amusement Parks USA?
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 26, 2016, 12:06:29 AM I'm sorry to differ. Speech is always on a note and if you listen to most of these songs the speech is in an intentional pitch and melody. I don't think Don't Back Down differs in that way. I mentally played every song from the list and Don't Back Down was immediately ruled out. "Not my boys" is clearly sung. "Look out babe/Split man" is spoken. They do have the same ad-lib effect but that's about it. If you can't tell speech from singing, end of discussion. The song has no place in john's list.Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Eric Aniversario on March 26, 2016, 12:29:40 AM The rarest Beach Boys song is a good SiP song. :-D Haha. Or... a song with a spoken section. There can't be too many of those. That's excluding studio instructions, informal chat and "talk tracks" (and that awful business at the start of "TM Song")... - Lonely Sea (Brian) - Finders Keepers (Mike) - Drive-In (Mike) - The Little Girl I Once Knew (Mike) - She's Goin' Bald (Brian and Mike) - Busy Doin' Nothin' (Brian) - At My Window (Brian) - Games Two Can Play (Brian) - Santa Ana Winds (Alan)* - The Beaks Of Eagles (Alan and Mike)* - Summertime Blues (Mike)* H'mm. More than I thought! Do any others come to mind? Edit: now including contributions by other posters*... Child Of Winter Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Eric Aniversario on March 26, 2016, 12:30:29 AM I can identify only 9 songs from 1962-1985 that have the following characteristics: - One Lead Singer - No Harmony vocals by others (double or multi tracking the lead vocal is allowed) - No background harmonies, counter melodies, oohhs, ahhs, etc. (not even the slightest additional vocals other than the lead singer are allowed) Oddly, all of the songs I can identify are from the 1960's and only the Wilson brothers get the spotlight. Please correct me if I have forgotten anything or made a mistake: Your Summer Dream, 1963, Brian In the Back of My Mind, 1965, Dennis Girl Don't Tell Me, 1965, Carl Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder), 1966, Brian Caroline, No, 1966, Brian I'd Love Just Once to See You, 1967, Brian How She Boogalooed It, 1967, Carl Be Still, 1968, Dennis Busy Doin' Nothing, 1968, Brian All Alone Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 26, 2016, 01:09:32 AM "I'd Love Just Once..." has a twiddly vocal thing on the fade.
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 26, 2016, 03:36:30 AM "H.E.L.P. Is On The Way"----the spoken "Radiant Radish" bit at the end...
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Ebb and Flow on March 26, 2016, 04:06:36 AM Busy Doin' Nothing, 1968, Brian This is REALLY buried in the right channel but it's there: https://soundcloud.com/smileyhoneyfriends-1/bdn-overdub-oops Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 26, 2016, 04:56:37 AM Um... the spoken "I think I'll make a call" is hardly buried.
Also, "Had To Phone Ya". Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Ebb and Flow on March 26, 2016, 05:07:27 AM Um... the spoken "I think I'll make a call" is hardly buried. Talking about the droning backing vocals audible in that clip.Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Eric Aniversario on March 26, 2016, 08:36:50 AM Busy Doin' Nothing, 1968, Brian This is REALLY buried in the right channel but it's there: https://soundcloud.com/smileyhoneyfriends-1/bdn-overdub-oops I listened all the way through but couldn't hear it? Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: sockittome on March 26, 2016, 08:59:25 AM Celebrate the News ("Hello!")
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 26, 2016, 09:09:06 AM Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Emily on March 26, 2016, 09:11:52 AM I'm sorry to differ. Speech is always on a note and if you listen to most of these songs the speech is in an intentional pitch and melody. I don't think Don't Back Down differs in that way. I mentally played every song from the list and Don't Back Down was immediately ruled out. "Not my boys" is clearly sung. "Look out babe/Split man" is spoken. They do have the same ad-lib effect but that's about it. If you can't tell speech from singing, end of discussion. The song has no place in john's list.However, John K. is the list owner, so it's his call for the thread. "End of discussion". Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 26, 2016, 09:14:10 AM john left it off the list. There's no need for deep analysis as the difference is drastic.
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 26, 2016, 09:35:20 AM I left it off the list because it's a bone of contention. Give me the easy way out every time. ;D
Actually, I came here to ask if anyone has any idea who's conducting the mini-dialogue in "Amusement Parks USA" (a joyous song if ever there was one). Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 26, 2016, 09:42:44 AM I don't think so. You left it off because you agreed with me & because it's clearly difference between the 2. You asked for speech bits. There you have anything BUT Don't Back Down. Seriously, I never thought or heard or suspected or realized that "Not my boys" is talking. It is sung, once again. So it's out.
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Sheriff John Stone on March 26, 2016, 09:51:26 AM One long - the talking (arguing?) on "TM Song", and one short - Carl's son saying "Hi" on "The Trader". I know I'm in the minority here, but I think both songs would've benefited WITHOUT the spoken word(s).
Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Emily on March 26, 2016, 10:16:10 AM I left it off the list because it's a bone of contention. Give me the easy way out every time. ;D I'm cool with that. Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: sockittome on March 26, 2016, 10:31:50 AM "Not my boys" is clearly sung (I believe someone named the notes earlier). There's no other way to look at it really.
A few more that actually belong on the list: Custom Machine--"Step on the gas she goes...." Do You Remember--"Goodness gracious great balls of fire!" Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 26, 2016, 10:40:00 AM "Not my boys" is clearly sung (I believe someone named the notes earlier). There's no other way to look at it really. good gracious, thank you! I'm not alone. I nearly began feeling like an idiot convincing of same.Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 26, 2016, 01:33:11 PM Seriously, I never thought or heard or suspected or realized that "Not my boys" is talking. It is sung, once again. So it's out. Oddly, to my mind it has always had the "feel" of speech. It's the "lie" of the words that does it. The first two fit a spoken version perfectly but the third is too high. Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: sockittome on March 26, 2016, 04:27:05 PM Seriously, I never thought or heard or suspected or realized that "Not my boys" is talking. It is sung, once again. So it's out. Oddly, to my mind it has always had the "feel" of speech. It's the "lie" of the words that does it. The first two fit a spoken version perfectly but the third is too high. Maybe we just perceive it differently, but in my mind "not my boys" is part of the melody. Imagine the song without that phrase. It would be pretty awkward. The "don't back down, don't back down" counter melody would carry the song a little bit, but that main vocal would be left hanging. In comparison, "split man" doesn't really follow a melody. It could've been spoken in any tone, key, or pitch. The same could not be said for "not my boys". Just my 5 cents (adjusted for inflation, of course! ;) ) Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Emily on March 26, 2016, 04:35:05 PM Seriously, I never thought or heard or suspected or realized that "Not my boys" is talking. It is sung, once again. So it's out. Oddly, to my mind it has always had the "feel" of speech. It's the "lie" of the words that does it. The first two fit a spoken version perfectly but the third is too high. Maybe we just perceive it differently, but in my mind "not my boys" is part of the melody. Imagine the song without that phrase. It would be pretty awkward. The "don't back down, don't back down" counter melody would carry the song a little bit, but that main vocal would be left hanging. In comparison, "split man" doesn't really follow a melody. It could've been spoken in any tone, key, or pitch. The same could not be said for "not my boys". Just my 5 cents (adjusted for inflation, of course! ;) ) Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: JK on March 27, 2016, 01:39:58 AM The line between speech and singing is gray. True. Where does singing stop and speech begin? What to make of, say, The Sex Pistols' "God Save The Queen"? ;D Title: Re: The Rarest Type of Beach Boys Song? Post by: Summer_Days on April 11, 2016, 06:20:18 PM Don't forget 'With Me Tonight'.
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