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Title: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Toursiveu on December 21, 2015, 12:08:43 PM It's from his FB page. I thought it was nice of him...
As I travel home to my family from Germany, I am flooded by memories of my first cousin, Carl today on his birthday. Carl, you are missed every night we take the stage. Although others are singing your parts, it's your voice I hear in my head and heart. You are so profoundly missed. We are grateful for the gift of voice, love, optimism, and rhythm you have given us all. "God only knows where we'd be without you" I feel closer to you every night we back your lead on this song. I remember that show like yesterday and still standing beside you! Happy celestial birthday Carl. From 40,000 ft. Peace & Love ML Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Lonely Summer on December 21, 2015, 12:24:20 PM This is nice - I believe this is from the heart; but being Mike, it will start a flame war.
Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: KDS on December 21, 2015, 12:58:33 PM It's from his FB page. I thought it was nice of him... As I travel home to my family from Germany, I am flooded by memories of my first cousin, Carl today on his birthday. Carl, you are missed every night we take the stage. Although others are singing your parts, it's your voice I hear in my head and heart. You are so profoundly missed. We are grateful for the gift of voice, love, optimism, and rhythm you have given us all. "God only knows where we'd be without you" I feel closer to you every night we back your lead on this song. I remember that show like yesterday and still standing beside you! Happy celestial birthday Carl. From 40,000 ft. Peace & Love ML Mike always sounds sincere when he introduces GOK as a tribute to Carl. I thought this was a nice tribute from Mike. Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: tpesky on December 21, 2015, 03:23:06 PM You can say what you want Mike and there is plenty to say, he always had a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward him.
Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 21, 2015, 05:31:09 PM You can say what you want Mike and there is plenty to say, he always had a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward him. I share Mike's sentiment in raising a toast to the late, great Carl. I do believe that Mike had/has a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward Carl, and I don't doubt his sincerity about that one bit. I do however think that if Mike searched his own heart, truly, he'd be in denial by thinking that Carl would have approved of Mike touring as The BBs under the current circumstances of Brian and Al being excluded against their deep wishes. Though I won't hold my breath, I still hope that very thought crosses Mike's mind sometime soon while all the living members are still with us. If all the BB members, especially Mike, tried to live more by the Carl "appropriateness" code, I think things would be quite different (better) these days. Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: ChicagoAnn on December 21, 2015, 06:26:19 PM What a lovely post by Mike. Truly kind and loving.
Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Cam Mott on December 21, 2015, 07:53:41 PM Very sweet. So was Brian's:
"Happy Birthday to my dear brother Carl. Carl inspired my music and I think about him all the time. Happy Birthday, Carl. – Love, Brian" Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: AndrewHickey on December 22, 2015, 12:46:17 AM You can say what you want Mike and there is plenty to say, he always had a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward him. I share Mike's sentiment in raising a toast to the late, great Carl. I do believe that Mike had/has a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward Carl, and I don't doubt his sincerity about that one bit. I do however think that if Mike searched his own heart, truly, he'd be in denial by thinking that Carl would have approved of Mike touring as The BBs under the current circumstances of Brian and Al being excluded against their deep wishes. Though I won't hold my breath, I still hope that very thought crosses Mike's mind sometime soon while all the living members are still with us. If all the BB members, especially Mike, tried to live more by the Carl "appropriateness" code, I think things would be quite different (better) these days. Carl was in the band in the early 90s, when both Brian and Al were excluded against their will. We can't actually know what he'd think of the current situation, and I don't like the idea of people's dead relatives being used as moral cudgels to beat them with. Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: drbeachboy on December 22, 2015, 06:30:17 AM You can say what you want Mike and there is plenty to say, he always had a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward him. I share Mike's sentiment in raising a toast to the late, great Carl. I do believe that Mike had/has a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward Carl, and I don't doubt his sincerity about that one bit. I do however think that if Mike searched his own heart, truly, he'd be in denial by thinking that Carl would have approved of Mike touring as The BBs under the current circumstances of Brian and Al being excluded against their deep wishes. Though I won't hold my breath, I still hope that very thought crosses Mike's mind sometime soon while all the living members are still with us. If all the BB members, especially Mike, tried to live more by the Carl "appropriateness" code, I think things would be quite different (better) these days. Carl was in the band in the early 90s, when both Brian and Al were excluded against their will. We can't actually know what he'd think of the current situation, and I don't like the idea of people's dead relatives being used as moral cudgels to beat them with. Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Cool Cool Water on December 22, 2015, 07:04:27 AM A great tribute from Mike.
Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Bill30022 on December 22, 2015, 08:48:20 AM I recall reading an interview with Carl from the early 90's in which he stated the following:
1 - He would prefer a model where they tour every few years (like the Stones and McCartney) instead of the constant touring. 2 - He could see a time when he would retire from the road. 3 - He could not see a time when Mike would retire from the road. One of the unexplored areas of Beach Boy history is the Carl/Mike dynamic - there certainly wasn't the drama that infused Mike's relationships with Dennis and Brian. Carl seemed to have a lot of friends within the musical industry. WAs he the most popular Beach Boy among other musicians? Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Douchepool on December 22, 2015, 08:50:15 AM Probably Carl or Al. Not surprising, though; they always struck me as the easiest of the members to get along with.
Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Steve Mayo on December 22, 2015, 10:23:01 AM I recall reading an interview with Carl from the early 90's in which he stated the following: 1 - He would prefer a model where they tour every few years (like the Stones and McCartney) instead of the constant touring. 2 - He could see a time when he would retire from the road. 3 - He could not see a time when Mike would retire from the road. One of the unexplored areas of Beach Boy history is the Carl/Mike dynamic - there certainly wasn't the drama that infused Mike's relationships with Dennis and Brian. Carl seemed to have a lot of friends within the musical industry. WAs he the most popular Beach Boy among other musicians? maybe this one? http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15607.msg369050.html#msg369050 Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on December 22, 2015, 07:39:11 PM I agree, very sweet post. I do believe its from the heart too
Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Lonely Summer on December 22, 2015, 10:15:22 PM You can say what you want Mike and there is plenty to say, he always had a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward him. I share Mike's sentiment in raising a toast to the late, great Carl. I do believe that Mike had/has a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward Carl, and I don't doubt his sincerity about that one bit. I do however think that if Mike searched his own heart, truly, he'd be in denial by thinking that Carl would have approved of Mike touring as The BBs under the current circumstances of Brian and Al being excluded against their deep wishes. Though I won't hold my breath, I still hope that very thought crosses Mike's mind sometime soon while all the living members are still with us. If all the BB members, especially Mike, tried to live more by the Carl "appropriateness" code, I think things would be quite different (better) these days. Carl was in the band in the early 90s, when both Brian and Al were excluded against their will. We can't actually know what he'd think of the current situation, and I don't like the idea of people's dead relatives being used as moral cudgels to beat them with. Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 22, 2015, 10:39:29 PM You can say what you want Mike and there is plenty to say, he always had a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward him. I share Mike's sentiment in raising a toast to the late, great Carl. I do believe that Mike had/has a deep respect for Carl and gratitude toward Carl, and I don't doubt his sincerity about that one bit. I do however think that if Mike searched his own heart, truly, he'd be in denial by thinking that Carl would have approved of Mike touring as The BBs under the current circumstances of Brian and Al being excluded against their deep wishes. Though I won't hold my breath, I still hope that very thought crosses Mike's mind sometime soon while all the living members are still with us. If all the BB members, especially Mike, tried to live more by the Carl "appropriateness" code, I think things would be quite different (better) these days. Carl was in the band in the early 90s, when both Brian and Al were excluded against their will. We can't actually know what he'd think of the current situation, and I don't like the idea of people's dead relatives being used as moral cudgels to beat them with. Brian wasn't trying to be a regular member of the band in the early 90s, as far as I know. And Al was only temporarily, briefly sidelined during Carl's lifetime. Almost certainly that was *only* a temporary thing BECAUSE Carl was around to make sure Al wasn't permanently removed. As most everyone (and it really seems that most everyone who was personally close Carl, including band mates, is consistent about this) mentions Carl as having been a moral, ethical compass for the band, I find it hard to believe that his influence (a sort of "what would Carl do") isn't something that crosses the BBs' minds. How much so, of course, is a big question. Carl himself said something to the effect during the press conference after Denny died, mentioning they'd continue "in the spirit of the BBs" (I'm paraphrasing) - that tells me Carl felt there was a code of conduct, so to speak, for band unity. Carl looked like he deeply meant it when he said it. That's why I doubt he'd think the current situation is hunky dory, and I highly doubt Brian and Al would ever believe Carl would have considered the current situation hunky dory either. Just IMHO. Not trying to derail a thread, just sharing a thought that came to mind. I truly wish for peace and happiness to all bandmembers, and I (perhaps foolishly) cling to the notion that the spirit of Carl might one day enlighten the bandmembers to repair the fracture that the band currently has. Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Cam Mott on December 23, 2015, 07:18:23 AM Mike evoked the spirit of Carl very nicely this Christmas.
Edit: After hearing Carl's voice at the end of Love Actually I'm removing a satiric blurb in the spirit of Carl and the Spirit of Christmas. Apologies to those who read it. Merry Christmas everybody! Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: The 4th Wilson Bro. on December 23, 2015, 11:13:35 AM I doubt there's a Beach Boys fan out there who doesn't still miss Carl. I would have enjoyed the Boys' music even if there had never been a Carl Wilson. But, for me, at least, he's the one who made it special.
Mike's Facebook post was also special, and, yes, I too believe it came from his heart. Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: AndrewHickey on December 24, 2015, 03:42:49 AM Carl looked like he deeply meant it when he said it. That's why I doubt he'd think the current situation is hunky dory, and I highly doubt Brian and Al would ever believe Carl would have considered the current situation hunky dory either. Just IMHO. Not trying to derail a thread, just sharing a thought that came to mind. I truly wish for peace and happiness to all bandmembers, and I (perhaps foolishly) cling to the notion that the spirit of Carl might one day enlighten the bandmembers to repair the fracture that the band currently has. To assume that is to assume that either you know better than Carl's wife and children what he would have wanted, or that they don't care what he would want. They've voted for the current situation. I prefer to think better of them than that. (Personally I think Al *should* be in the band if he wants to be. But that's my opinion, not anyone else's) Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Tony S on December 24, 2015, 06:11:35 AM I always wondered why Al and Carl went along with the elimination of the great backing band members, like Billy Hinsche and Eddie Carter in the md 90's. They seemed pretty tight with them both....Al still is to this day as both are in his band. Maybe they both just let Mike have his way and gave up by then.
Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: AndrewHickey on December 24, 2015, 06:21:00 AM I always wondered why Al and Carl went along with the elimination of the great backing band members, like Billy Hinsche and Eddie Carter in the md 90's. They seemed pretty tight with them both....Al still is to this day as both are in his band. Maybe they both just let Mike have his way and gave up by then. Yeah, the personnel decisions made around 1996 are utterly baffling both in terms of personal relations (Billy at least seems to remain close to both Al and Brian, and I think he's sat in with Mike once or twice too) and musical quality (the late-90s lineup of the band was atrocious, and Billy and Ed are both very good musicians). Whatever the reasoning, I don't understand it at all. Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Sheriff John Stone on December 24, 2015, 06:24:16 AM I always wondered why Al and Carl went along with the elimination of the great backing band members, like Billy Hinsche and Eddie Carter in the md 90's. They seemed pretty tight with them both....Al still is to this day as both are in his band. Maybe they both just let Mike have his way and gave up by then. Tony S, even though I quoted your post, my response isn't necessarily directed at you. Yes, Carl was "pretty tight" with Billy Hinsche. They were brother-in-laws. It's not just an opinion but a fact that Carl was pretty much the leader of the live band. So, why would Carl and Al "let Mike have his way"? What way? Wasn't it Carl who "had his way"? Also, I wonder how Brian Wilson voted? Does he share any - ANY - responsibility? I guess that was a stupid question... Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: AndrewHickey on December 24, 2015, 08:37:25 AM I always wondered why Al and Carl went along with the elimination of the great backing band members, like Billy Hinsche and Eddie Carter in the md 90's. They seemed pretty tight with them both....Al still is to this day as both are in his band. Maybe they both just let Mike have his way and gave up by then. Tony S, even though I quoted your post, my response isn't necessarily directed at you. Yes, Carl was "pretty tight" with Billy Hinsche. They were brother-in-laws. It's not just an opinion but a fact that Carl was pretty much the leader of the live band. So, why would Carl and Al "let Mike have his way"? What way? Wasn't it Carl who "had his way"? Also, I wonder how Brian Wilson voted? Does he share any - ANY - responsibility? I guess that was a stupid question... I *believe*, though it's been a while since I read it, that Carlin's Catch A Wave talks about Mike reorganising the touring band around then as part of his "Beach Boys lite" plan (the same plan that involved replacing Al with David Marks). If that's the case, then saying they "let Mike have his way" is probably accurate. Not that they didn't agree to it, but that it was initiated by Mike. (If I'm misremembering, I apologise -- I'm currently 6000 miles away from my copy, so can't check). The question about Brian's an interesting one -- I do wonder what, if any, say he had in the membership of the touring band during the years he wasn't touring... Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: petsite on December 24, 2015, 06:31:43 PM Al was sidelined in the early 90's due to an "attitude" problem. Dr. Howard Bloomfield was called in to mediate between the members of the group (yes, group therapy). Issues were worked out and Al rejoined in time to add his vocals to SIP.
Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Tony S on December 25, 2015, 07:45:27 AM The 90's was a pretty interesting time from the standpoint of politics within the band. I'd love to know more about that time, maybe the best people to ask would be Billy Hinsche and Eddie Carter.
Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: petsite on December 25, 2015, 11:54:53 AM Mike talks about Al Jardine:
... And I told Al... we had a rough time the last couple of years communicating. He's definitely been on a bummer for many years based on some things that have happened to him historically. Different than what happened to me with Brian with respect to the writing but a similar effect on him emotionally. And me, I ignore it and go straight ahead and I think more of the future. Al has this thing where he'll obsess on something that happened 20 years ago. It's hard for him to let go. So we've actually been having group meetings between Carl, myself and Al with the psychiatrist Howard Bloomfield, who's a good friend of mine and a board member of the Love Foundation, and we've done a lot of healing kind of things, airing grievances and working things out. It's been very therapeutic for all of us individually and collectively. I think we've gotten to understand each other and see the other's point of view and experience and it's made the group better and stronger. That confirms a report i heard a little while back that Al Jardine had left the Beach Boys. We got to the point where we didn't want to be in the same room or on stage with him because he was so negative about things. He was negative about certain things and once we were able to get into a forum, an area where he was able to unload some of that, we could empathize with some of it, not all of it, and air our points of view and it resolved all that stuff. Are you getting along better now? A lot better. But the point is he wasn't even on the album until a couple of months ago when we finally resolved all the stuff. Then he came in and I told Al he made a good song great. It's not that we couldn't do an album and do it well without Al Jardine around. Or the same goes for anybody. You're talking the Beach Boys, you're going to get someone to listen anyway. But on several songs it went from good to great. And Carl, God, he's a monster on the album. I think he sounds phenomenal, the most commercial he's ever sounded. Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on December 25, 2015, 12:33:38 PM Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, looks like not too many took part in the listening thing, did they. :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: mikeddonn on December 25, 2015, 01:19:35 PM Mike talks about Al Jardine: ... And I told Al... we had a rough time the last couple of years communicating. He's definitely been on a bummer for many years based on some things that have happened to him historically. Different than what happened to me with Brian with respect to the writing but a similar effect on him emotionally. And me, I ignore it and go straight ahead and I think more of the future. Al has this thing where he'll obsess on something that happened 20 years ago. It's hard for him to let go. So we've actually been having group meetings between Carl, myself and Al with the psychiatrist Howard Bloomfield, who's a good friend of mine and a board member of the Love Foundation, and we've done a lot of healing kind of things, airing grievances and working things out. It's been very therapeutic for all of us individually and collectively. I think we've gotten to understand each other and see the other's point of view and experience and it's made the group better and stronger. That confirms a report i heard a little while back that Al Jardine had left the Beach Boys. We got to the point where we didn't want to be in the same room or on stage with him because he was so negative about things. He was negative about certain things and once we were able to get into a forum, an area where he was able to unload some of that, we could empathize with some of it, not all of it, and air our points of view and it resolved all that stuff. Are you getting along better now? A lot better. But the point is he wasn't even on the album until a couple of months ago when we finally resolved all the stuff. Then he came in and I told Al he made a good song great. It's not that we couldn't do an album and do it well without Al Jardine around. Or the same goes for anybody. You're talking the Beach Boys, you're going to get someone to listen anyway. But on several songs it went from good to great. And Carl, God, he's a monster on the album. I think he sounds phenomenal, the most commercial he's ever sounded. You should maybe mention that this was Mike talking in 1992 or thereabouts. Some people might not see the link. Title: Re: Mike Love's birthday message to Carl Post by: Lonely Summer on December 25, 2015, 11:38:50 PM Mike talks about Al Jardine: ... And I told Al... we had a rough time the last couple of years communicating. He's definitely been on a bummer for many years based on some things that have happened to him historically. Different than what happened to me with Brian with respect to the writing but a similar effect on him emotionally. And me, I ignore it and go straight ahead and I think more of the future. Al has this thing where he'll obsess on something that happened 20 years ago. It's hard for him to let go. So we've actually been having group meetings between Carl, myself and Al with the psychiatrist Howard Bloomfield, who's a good friend of mine and a board member of the Love Foundation, and we've done a lot of healing kind of things, airing grievances and working things out. It's been very therapeutic for all of us individually and collectively. I think we've gotten to understand each other and see the other's point of view and experience and it's made the group better and stronger. That confirms a report i heard a little while back that Al Jardine had left the Beach Boys. We got to the point where we didn't want to be in the same room or on stage with him because he was so negative about things. He was negative about certain things and once we were able to get into a forum, an area where he was able to unload some of that, we could empathize with some of it, not all of it, and air our points of view and it resolved all that stuff. Are you getting along better now? A lot better. But the point is he wasn't even on the album until a couple of months ago when we finally resolved all the stuff. Then he came in and I told Al he made a good song great. It's not that we couldn't do an album and do it well without Al Jardine around. Or the same goes for anybody. You're talking the Beach Boys, you're going to get someone to listen anyway. But on several songs it went from good to great. And Carl, God, he's a monster on the album. I think he sounds phenomenal, the most commercial he's ever sounded. You should maybe mention that this was Mike talking in 1992 or thereabouts. Some people might not see the link. |