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http://rockhall.com/voting/2016-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-vote/

Thanks for the link. 

I've voted, but sadly, the fan vote makes up a very small portion of the actual vote.  The hipster / elitist writers make up the majority, which is why the roster of bands/artists in the RNRHOF is very suspect. 

One for Chicago.

I voted for Chicago also, and they're leading the fan vote. 

I voted Chicago, The Cars, Yes, Deep Purple, and Cheap Trick.  Four out of those five are in the current top five (Steve Miller replaces 7th place Cheap Trick in the standings). 

I really think the fans should have more of a say.  According to the current standings, the fans have a better understanding of what is actually rock and roll than the Hall of Fame. 

I mean NWA, Janet Jackson, Chic???  They should really change the name to the Museum of Modern Music. 

Agreed, they have no place being on that list.

Burn that blemish on music to the ground.

I'm with you there.  The place is joke, and their exclusion of so many great bands is downright insulting. 

They will never receive one dime of my money. 

Considering the constant evolution of genres (not to mention debates about their barriers), that's actually exactly what they should do. But it's irrelevant because, whatever it's called, it's a piece of sh*t anyway. I'm not going to bother voting.

I still voted, but I know it doesn't matter. 

Like I said, the top five fan vote getters are Chicago, The Cars, Yes, Steve Miller, and Deep Purple. 

Quite frankly, I'd be shocked if more than one of those groups get in. 

Because of the hype of the movie, NWA will get the nod.  Not a rock and roll band. 

In an effort to try to appear hip, Nine Inch Nails will likely get the nod. 

As usual, hard rock and progressive rock will likely be completely disrespected an ignored.   You can almost make a Hall of Fame for the artists who are not in. 

I think our fan vote matters to the artists.  If Yes doesn't get in again, they will know the fans wanted them in. Really, they should be honoring like 10 artists,  in different catagories.

Supposedly, their was a shakeup on the executive board so maybe things will be changing.

Finally, it's criminal the Moody Blues aren't eeven nominated!

I forgot that the Moodies aren't in yet.  Criminal. 

I heard about the shake-up, but as long as Jann Wenner is still involved, I fear little will change. 

I agree, Jann needs to go! They need a Board of respected artists, not writeers, execs and publishers.

If it is te RnR HOF, why have they brought in so many non rockers. Good idea, change the name!

I think it's part of Wenner's agenda to appear diverse, edgy, or hip to include non rock acts.  To do so at the expense of many deserving rock acts is just wrong. 

And even when they get it right, they get it wrong. 

Prime example, the Dave Clark Five didn't get in until after Mike Smith died. 

Deep Purple has been eligible since 1993, over 20 years.  Sadly, Jon Lord died in 2012.   

Yes recently lost Chris Squire.  They've also been eligible for over 20 years. 

George Harrison was eligible as a solo artist in 1995.  They waited until after his passing. 

Good points! I guess they are waiting for a couple of the Moodies to kick the bucket before nominating them.

And now, sadly, you can add Three Dog Night to that list with the passing of Cory Wells. I just read that Three Dog Night had 21 consecutive Top 40 singles, which is a record. I always thought that singles were underrated and albums overrated. I don't own a Three Dog Night album (I do have a greatest hits comp), but I can name almost all of their singles that I enjoyed listening to in the car, by the pool, at the breakfast table, at school dances, on my transistor radio, or just spinning them on my $50 Sears record player.

They won't be...because Jann Wenner is a pretentious twat.

I'd cry tears of joy if fifty-year-old Trent Reznor pulled out some of his old mid-twenties tricks at the ceremony, like cussing out the audience or the promoters during an intentionally bad set. Trent's insanely talented. Jann Wenner's Current iPod Tracklist of Fame still needs to f*** off and burn.

Exactly. It became hip to turn up your nose at groups that had hit singles, but what working musician wouldn't love to have at least one song that EVERYBODY knows?

Yes, killer band they were! All those hits,  but great songs! They had a gift of picking wonderful  material. Live at the Forum was one of the first albums I ever heard. They belong in the HOF for sure!

The band Yes has been systematically excluded from the Hall of Fame explicitly because they turned their back on the black roots of rock and roll and I suppose were there for seen as elitist, completely white oriented, enemies of historical diversity. I recall seeing that argument in some explanation from officials in the museum. The argument is on its face absolutely ridiculous, and the sophistication and the quality and the popularity of yes music makes them automatic for the Hall of Fame. Why is Chicago, a band that has so captivated the consciousness of so many generations of fans, is not in the Hall of Fame is also mystifying. I'm going to have to agree with Steely Dan who have repudiated the Hall of Fame as absurd.

I still remember one of my friends from grammar school telling me with great sadness that the radio was no longer playing Saturday in the park after a long period when it was on pretty much all day everyday. I guess that could have been in about 4th grade or so which would make it 1971. But I better check to see when that song came out before I start reminiscing too much

My final take is this....

F**K the so called Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 

True music fans don't need a select group of hipsters and elitists to tell us what music is best.

F**k Wenner.   F**k Rolling Stone.  F**k the RNRHOF.  It's a joke.

If the fans get a vote, O.K., here's mine.


1. Chubby Checker
2. Neil Sedaka


until these two get in the R&R hall of fame is a complete joke.  No Chubby Checker?  Really?  What excuse do they have for excluding people that were huge, huge contributors to music in the 50's when Rock & Roll was birthed?  At least with all the other bands they've f***ed over (and are mostly named here in this thread) they can act like they'll do it later because they came later, but Chubby Checker and Neil Sedaka were around near the very beginning of Rock & Roll, both had huge contributions to Rock & Roll, both are great performers, both nice guys, and most importantly: Both men are still alive to accept the award!  Why honor somebody after they die? 

There's an artist who released eleven solo albums, seven - SEVEN! - of them went multi-platinum, and many of them were critically acclaimed - Ozzy Osbourne. :o

It's funny you mention Ozzy.  For the longest time, I was convinced that Ozzy would be inducted before Black Sabbath because of his commercial appeal.  Then, Ozzy told the RNRHOF to go f**k itself.  Bingo.  Sabbath got in. 

Ozzy surely deserves it, but other than Black Sabbath and Metallica, the heavy metal genre has been ignored.  No Judas Priest.  No Iron Maiden.  No Ozzy.  No Dio (Ronnie James Dio should have been inducted with Black Sabbath).

Delighted that one of my all-time favorite bands, The Cars, are in the running. Hopefully they get in. Rest in peace, Benjamin Orr, wish he was here.

I bet that Three Dog Night gets nominated for 2017, now that one of the three "main" members is gone. It's horrible to say, but it's true.

It's sad, but you're right. 

It's an odd mix of nominees.  Janet Jackson?  Is that some kind of joke?

Nobody really mentioned The Smiths, I assumed they might already be in there.  That's where my vote went anyway.

Three Dog Night, shoe-in.

Bonnie,

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a bit of a joke.  The fact that they nominate non rock acts like Janet Jackson and Chic is a joke.  The fact that non rock acts like Madonna and Public Enemy are in is a joke. 

I have good memories of taping the 1995  Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction, back when it was still good. That year featured Frank Zappa, Neil Young, and Led Zeppelin, among a few more. A few years ago I watched the Hall of Fame induction, and Eminem was inducting Run DMC and calling them the rap version of The Beatles. I damn near puked.

Frank Zappa, Neil Young, Led Zeppelin, those names sound about right.  Sounds like the last twenty years have been pitiful.  Anyone notable recently?

Guns N' Roses were inducted. Three of the original members were there and performed. As a big GNR fan I thought that was pretty cool. Last year Ringo was inducted. Unfortunately his voice was shot that night and his performance wasn't that good.

Why get sad if favorite/deserved acts don't get inducted year after year? They will, eventually. Really though, what's rewarding about it? It isn't like it's the last instance to achieve mega status. & what's with ridiculous speculation that dead members=induction guarantee? There's no pattern.
Summer_Days, thanks for keeping it positive for a change.

Well, one of the members of Run DMC died.  So as usual, the Rock & Roll hall of fame figured it was time to exploi.... urgh, induct them. 

Meanwhile, Chubby Checker is stonewalled while he's still alive.


- The Twist was named by Billboard magazine in 2006, as the biggest chart hit OF ALL TIME
- Chubby had 5 different albums in the top 12, all at one time... a record
- Chubby has received a Grammy Award, Run DMC never received a Grammy
- He's been married to the same woman for 51 years, which in my opinion, speaks to his character
- the guy completely OWNS the dance craze, invented and popularized the twist, the hucklebuck, the fly, the pony, and the limbo.  All of this sh*t is uncool, now, but in the 50's and early 60's all of these dance moves completely dominated the nation.  There is not a kid alive who hasn't played the limbo.  His impact on children and teenagers is near 100% because of this...
- The Twist hit #1, twice.  Nothing else ever did.  It hit #2, AGAIN, in 1988 as a re-recording with the Fat Boys
- When he had 5 albums in the top 12  on the chart, the Beatles once had the top 5 SINGLES on the charts... their #1 when they did that was "Twist And Shout".... a cover of the song inspired by Checker's the Twist. 
- Before Chubby Checker, people danced holding hands, touching. After Chubby Checker, people danced 'apart to the beat', dancing with each other, but not touching.  This continues to today.  Chubby did for dancing what Brian Wilson did for production with Good Vibrations.  You literally can see his dance (5 different fads) laying the foundation to all the dancing done in nightclubs today. 


We put guys like Run DMC in who were great but had nowhere near the impact on music and society that Chubby Checker did.  Not only was he around right at the beginning, he literally completely changed the way the world dances.  When you play a song by any of these acts that are in the hall of fame, the crowd will dance apart to the beat out in the audience and all of that started with Chubby Checker.  He has the biggest single of all time according to Billboard.  He's the only guy to hit #1, twice, with the same song.  Blows my mind.

In recent years, overlooked hard rock acts like Alice Cooper, Rush, and Kiss have been inducted. 

As a passionate music fan, what bothers me about the RNRHOF is the lack of respect given to many rock acts.  It seems like they got it right for the first decade or so, inducting the obvious choices (ie.  Beatles, Beach Boys, Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Cream, CCR, The Yardbirds, etc). 

But, as the years went by, the elitist group of writers cared more about appearing hip that actually honoring bands who deserve the honor.  This is why we've seen rap groups get into while many hard rock, progressive rock, and heavy metal acts get ignored. 

1st, let's be for a minute in their shoes. If, say, I were a famous singer with steady fanbase, obv. rich - why should I care about R&RHoF induction? If I don't get in - so what? It's fans who care more than the artists themselves. & I don't understands it. It's not our business, we MUST be indifferent about it, it's clear as a day. Big deal respect. On one hand, you all say it's a joke, then say it's sad? or vice versa. Well, that's sure very logical.

2nd, what do you mean "elitist"? What if they like actually those rap groups 'n' stuff (& no, I don't say it's right to include *rap*pers into *rock & roll* hall of fame)? Can't anyone be original & NOT considered hip? I read this about Pitchfork magazine. Even though none of their best of lists is purely 'weird' choices - in fact, half of it same old names - people still whine about it. Yet, many of them insist that "lists are irrelevant". I could argue that it's their taste. Not every critic has to like & likes popular songs such as Be My Baby etc. that get included in so-called "normal", "non-elitist" magazines. And again, the death of band members has got nothing to with decision of inducting them as an act. Let's not create stuff.

When I say "elitist," I tend to refer to hipster writers who seem to think that hard rock, progressive rock, and heavy metal are music for the unwashed masses, and should be ignored.  You're right, it's for the fans, and to exclude three huge subdivisions of rock and roll is a big slap in the face to their legions of fans.  If you're going to be the "rock and roll' Hall of Fame, you need to include all facets of rock and roll. 

Leaving out hard rock, progressive, and heavy metal (with a couple of exceptions) would be like the Baseball Hall of Fame deciding that they're not going to induct third basemen or catchers anymore. 

Went for Chicago, Deep Purple, Yes, Steve Miller and The Cars

Great picks. By the bye, you can vote as many times as you want.

That hasn't worked so far for the Raiders, and three of their core members are gone now - Paul Revere, Mike Smith, and Drake Levin. Revere himself said he didn't care if he got into the HOF, said "I haven't heard of a lot of the bands that ARE in!"

See? They do not care.

It's that expression "Rock and Roll". It's as misleading as heck. Everyone has their own definition of it. Now if they were to call it "The Pop Hall of Fame" instead...   

I think Pop Hall of Fame or Music Hall of Fame would be more fitting.  I know people have different perceptions of rock and roll, but there's no way that it includes rap or dance music. 

I'm sure one day, somebody will make a Rap Hall of Fame.  And I doubt it'll include The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys, and The Who.

How about the MMHOF - Modern Music Hall of Fame?
Like the Academy Awards, nominations in various categories. All signifcant artists,  from different time periods, deserve to be recognized.

That's one of the names I've always said they should use.  That way, they're free to include rap, pop, or whatever.  But, that kind of music has no place is something called the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 

Sounds like we have it sussed out!

Yes, I am happy to say, have pulled into 2nd place, behind Chicago. Really hope they get in!

Yes, Modern Music Hall of Fame. Modern Music being everything of musical relevance today. There's no divide these days between "pop" and "classical" (for want of a better word)----everything (jazz as well, world, folk, whatever) flows into everything else so it could all be represented in the MMHOF. 

results in: No to Yes, Smiths. Yes to Cheap Trick, NWA, Chicago, deep purple.  others too

Deep Purple, Cheap Trick, Steve Miller, and Chicago were the rock and roll acts who'll be inducted. 

The outlier is NWA.  If you're into rap that's one thing, but they really have no business in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.  To me, this would be like Larry Bird being inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised they got it this right.  I can't remember a recent year with four deserving inductees.  Maybe the fan vote is a step in the right direction. 

This gives me an idea - maybe I've been misguided trying to get Pete Rose inducted into the Baseball HOF. I should be trying to get him into the Basketball HOF. Or heck, maybe the Rock HOF - he acted like a rock star, gambling all his money away, chasing women, and just generally being reckless off the field.

At this point, Pete Rose probably has a better chance of getting into the Rock and Roll HOF than he does into the Baseball HOF. 

Quite frankly, I highly doubt that Pete Rose is the only major figure in baseball who gambled on games. 

Pete Rose will be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame after he dies. That is the way it should be since he committed the Baseball mortal sin.

A recent class for the R 'n R Hall of Fame. A great injustice has been corrected (Chicago), however, I would put Three Dog Night , The Moody Blues, Grand Funk and Journey ahead of Steve Miller,  Deep Purple and Cheap Trick.

If you accept that the Hall of Fame includes all youth oriented Pop Music than NWA makes sense. If that is the criteria then the Carpenters should be considered.

I'll respectfully disagree with you about Deep Purple.  IMO, they were the most glaring omission of any of the nominees. 

I know it's not a popular opinion, but I think Purple were better than Zeppelin, but Zeppelin got more credit.  I'll take In Rock, Fireball, Machine Head, or Burn over any Zeppelin album.  And I'm a Zeppelin fan.  I think Blackmore was a better guitarist than Page.  Gillan a better singer than Plant.  Purple had the extra dynamic with Jon Lord. 

But, I do agree with you about Three Dog Night, The Moody Blues, Grand Funk Railroad, and Journey. 

The only R&RHOF thing that pisses me off  is that Doug Yule was frozen out of induction with the Velvet Underground.  The guy played a prominent role vocally and instrumentally on over half their catalog and live.  I figure it was Lou being Lou letting him have it over the "Squeeze" thing or something, but a no class move IMO.

Incredibly glad that Chicago and Deep Purple are in, and Steve Miller and Cheap Trick were definitely worthy additions. But NWA getting into a ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame is plain bullshit, especially since they came 12th in the fan vote and Yes and The Cars (coming second and third respectively) don't get in.

He's not.