Title: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on September 22, 2015, 04:43:28 PM What post Holland songs do you consider to be 10/10 in music/production/lyrics/etc. I don't mean just one, but in all these areas. Here is the list I have come up with:
The Night Was So Young Baby Blue Where I Belong From There to Back Again Pacific Coast Highway Summer's Gone You're Still a Mystery Honorable mention (I considered, but my say 8 or 9 of 10): Let Us Go On Johnny Carson My Diane Love Surrounds Me Santa Anna Winds Kokamo (yes I said it!) Soul Searchin Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Sheriff John Stone on September 22, 2015, 05:04:02 PM Just to be clear I'm meeting your criteria, ALL areas have to be 10? That eliminates a lot of songs due to various member's vocals NOT being a 10. The Beach Boys Love You is an example of this. Anyway, here goes:
- Palisades Park - Matchpoint Of Our Love - Good Timin' - Lady Lynda - Baby Blue (this is soooo close because of Dennis' raspy/hoarse vocal, but maybe you like that style) - Livin' With A Heartache (the length of the song might disqualify it from this survey, but otherwise...) - Where I Belong - Somewhere Near Japan - Pacific Coast Highway - Summer's Gone Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on September 22, 2015, 05:30:10 PM Interesting with Matchpoint! I think that's a highly under rated song! Palisades Park surprises me a bit. I can see a point for the rest though. Was Palisades Park a cover song or written by a BB? I would like to keep it to songs written by the Beach Boys. Other wise I would add Just Once In My Life.
Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Sheriff John Stone on September 22, 2015, 05:34:32 PM Interesting with Matchpoint! I think that's a highly under rated song! Palisades Park surprises me a bit. I can see a point for the rest though. Was Palisades Park a cover song or written by a BB? I would like to keep it to songs written by the Beach Boys. Other wise I would add Just Once In My Life. "Palisades Park" was a hit record for Freddie "Boom Boom" Cannon in 1962 and written by none other than Chuck Barris of The Gong Show fame. :o Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: adamghost on September 22, 2015, 05:58:21 PM "Love Surrounds Me" is pretty ace on all fronts. The track doesn't get enough love but it's a really cool production, song, and a nice late period Dennis vocal.
Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: NateRuvin on September 22, 2015, 06:46:06 PM I think Lady Lynda is a masterpiece. One of the all-time best BBs songs.
I'll probably get teared to shreds for saying that. But god, I love that song!!! Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Matt Etherton on September 22, 2015, 07:33:27 PM California Dreamin'
California Calling Kokomo Pacific Coast Highway Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Phoenix on September 22, 2015, 09:20:17 PM "Perfect" (tho 10 out of 10 might be pushing it on a couple of them)
California Dreaming Chasin' The Sky Somewhere Near Japan Kokomo Soulful Old Man Sunshine From There To Back Again Very near misses Had To Phone Ya She's Got Rhythm Keepin' The Summer Alive The Beach Boys Medley Getcha Back Isn't It Time Strange World Summer's Gone (Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on September 22, 2015, 09:42:09 PM California Dreamin' California Calling Kokomo Pacific Coast Highway I like 3 of those songs. California Calling? I can't stand it! Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Summertime Blooz on September 22, 2015, 10:08:54 PM Let Us Go On This Way
Good Timin' Good Time It's OK Rock N Roll Music (2012 Mix with extra verse) Had To Phone Ya Honkin Down The Highway Just Once In My Life Goin' On Getcha Back I Do Love You Where I Belong You're Still A Mystery That's Why God Made The Radio Spring Vacation From There To Back Again Pacific Coast Highway Summer's Gone Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Jukka on September 22, 2015, 10:41:03 PM I'll exclude Love You -songs because in my opinion it's a perfect album and I could easily fill the top ten with it.
1. Goin' On -Well, the production may not be 10/10, but I think the actual song is great. 2. Some of Your Love -It rocks and it's catchy, it's the Beach Boys! 3. Kokomo -A stone cold classic 4. Still Cruisin' -This one has really grown on me over the years. 5. Lady Lynda -Al's finest hour as a songwriter. A perfect gem. That cembalo! 6. Good Timin' 7. My Diane 8. Rolling Up To Heaven 9. Stevie 10. TWGMTR Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Summertime Blooz on September 22, 2015, 10:52:34 PM 5. Lady Lynda -Al's finest hour as a songwriter. A perfect gem. That cembalo! He had a little help from Bach. It's an OK record but that intro has got to go! (as it was on the single version) Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Please delete my account on September 23, 2015, 02:35:52 AM It's OK The Night Was So Young Good Time (if that counts) It's Over Now Matchpoint Love Surrounds Me Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Jukka on September 23, 2015, 02:58:55 AM 5. Lady Lynda -Al's finest hour as a songwriter. A perfect gem. That cembalo! He had a little help from Bach. It's an OK record but that intro has got to go! (as it was on the single version) To me, the Knebworth live one is THE definitive version. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Alan Smith on September 23, 2015, 03:31:07 AM Some of the above &
Angel Come Home :o Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Jukka on September 23, 2015, 03:58:13 AM Angel Come Home, of course! On second thought, I'd pick that one over TWGMTR.
Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: KDS on September 23, 2015, 05:20:18 AM Think About the Days.
I think the others I had in mind have all been mentioned. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: ppk700 on September 23, 2015, 08:34:47 AM It's OK
Had To Phone Ya Just Once In My Life Let Us Go On This Way Roller Skating Child Mona Johnny Carson Honkin' Down The Highway Ding Dang The Night Was So Young I'll Bet He's Nice I Wanna Pick You Up You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' Life Is For The Living Deep Purple It's Over Now Everybody Wants To Live It's Trying To Say Still I Dream Of It She's Got Rhythm Hey Little Tomboy Peggy Sue Good Timin' Full Sail Angel Come Home Love Surrounds Me Baby Blue It's A Beautiful Day Goin' To The Beach Keepin' The Summer Alive Goin' On Stevie Getcha Back Maybe I Don't Know Rock 'n' Roll To The Rescue California Dreamin' Still Cruisin' Somewhere Near Japan In My Car Hot Fun In The Summertime Island Fever Still Surfin' Strange Things Happen Lahaina Aloha Summer In Paradise You're Still A Mystery Think About The Days Isn't It Time Spring Vacation The Private Life Of Bill And Sue Shelter From There To Back Again Pacific Coast Highway Summer's Gone Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Mike's Beard on September 23, 2015, 08:56:11 AM Sweet Sunday Love.
My Diane. Baby Blue. Lady Lynda. Goin' On. Santa Anna Winds. Where I Belong. Soul Searchin'. It's a small list. Lots of very good post Holland songs but 10/10 in every catagory from the criteria stated? Few and far between. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 23, 2015, 01:00:06 PM Evidently some posters in this thread are having problems with the concept of original Beach Boys songs. FYI, that means "no covers". :)
Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: ppk700 on September 23, 2015, 04:14:16 PM Evidently some posters in this thread are having problems with the concept of original Beach Boys songs. FYI, that means "no covers". :) Reeding comprehenshun waz never my strong suit (or speeling) :banana Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on September 23, 2015, 06:53:52 PM Evidently some posters in this thread are having problems with the concept of original Beach Boys songs. FYI, that means "no covers". :) Yeah, that was I was trying to communicate. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: DonnyL on September 23, 2015, 07:39:05 PM I really think "Love You" is one of the greatest albums, but I understand that it's rough around the edges ... here's the tracks that I think harken back to the classic era of production quality (not necessarily my personal favorites), post-Holland (I'm including covers!):
1 It's OK 2 Had to Phone Ya 3 Palisades Park 4 It's Over Now 5 Come Go With Me 6 My Diane 7 Good Timin' 8 Baby Blue 9 Goin' On 10 Stevie 11 Soul Searchin' 12 You're Still A Mystery 13 It's Not Easy Being Me 14 From There to Back Again Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 23, 2015, 11:25:24 PM In no order
The Night was So Young I'lll Bet He's Nice Johnny Carson Had to Phone Ya My Diane From There To Back Again Pacific Coast Highway Strange World Angel Come Home California Feeling Love Surrounds Me Baby Blue Santa Ana Winds Pitter Patter Goin' On Good Timin' You're Still a Mystery Where I Belong Still I DReam of It It's Over Now Somewhere Near Japan Strange Things Happen Think About the Days Maybe I Don''t Know Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Rentatris on September 23, 2015, 11:44:02 PM I agree with a lot on here that say Love You isn't far off a perfect album so gets heavily included. People also seem to be including a lot of Brian's solo works, especially from the Paley sessions, so given that that appears to be allowed...
It's not easy bein' me (one of my all time favs of any era ever) Let us go on this way Mona Solar System Life is for the Living Still I dream of it Summer's Gone Midnight's Another Day This Beautiful Day This Song's gonna sleep with you Concert Tonight (short version :lol ) Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on September 24, 2015, 09:30:16 AM I was thinking about making a seperate thread for Brian solo. But here are some of mine:
There's So Many Rio Grande Chain Reaction (perhaps my favorite!) Love and Mercy (iwmftt) The Waltz That Lucky Old Sun lp Some of No Pier Pressure, but I'm not familiar enough with track titles and don't have them with me right now. If we are including covers, Reimagines Gershwin lp Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: bonnevillemariner on September 24, 2015, 09:32:33 AM It blows my mind that a thread on top quality BB songs after Holland has actually extended more than one page.
Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: KDS on September 24, 2015, 10:16:31 AM It blows my mind that a thread on top quality BB songs after Holland has actually extended more than one page. I think there's plenty of top quality songs after Holland. Top quality albums? Not really. So, you had a ton more filler from 1976-2012 than from 1962-1973. But still a lot of good. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Rocky Raccoon on September 24, 2015, 06:13:05 PM Just Once In My Life
The Love You album My Diane Good Timin' Angel Come Home Love Surrounds Me Baby Blue Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: phirnis on September 25, 2015, 02:16:11 AM - 15 Big Ones, except for three or four lame cuts
- the entire Love You LP - My Diane - most of L.A. (Light Album) - Getcha Back, Male Ego, Where I Belong - Kokomo, Somewhere Near Japan - Lahaina Aloha - Pacific Coast Highway, Summer's Gone Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Bean Bag on September 25, 2015, 05:30:16 AM 5. Lady Lynda -Al's finest hour as a songwriter. A perfect gem. That cembalo! He had a little help from Bach. It's an OK record but that intro has got to go! (as it was on the single version) To me, the Knebworth live one is THE definitive version. YES!!! Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: KDS on September 25, 2015, 05:33:20 AM 5. Lady Lynda -Al's finest hour as a songwriter. A perfect gem. That cembalo! He had a little help from Bach. It's an OK record but that intro has got to go! (as it was on the single version) To me, the Knebworth live one is THE definitive version. YES!!! Speaking of Lady Lynda, I actually heard a local sportsreporter singing a part of that on the radio the other day on the way to work. Somebody mentioned the name Lynda (or Linda), and he starting singing the refrain. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Joel Goldenberg on September 25, 2015, 11:37:01 AM Baby Blue
Good Timin' Keepin' the Summer Alive It's Over Now My Diane Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Steve Latshaw on September 25, 2015, 12:36:51 PM It's OK (single version)
Roller Skating Child Night Was So Young Kona Coast Wontcha Come Out Tonight Good Timin Lady Linda Full Sail Angel Come Home Baby Blue KTSA Santa Ana Winds Getcha Back Where I Belong Rock & Roll to the Rescue Kokomo Still Cruisin' Summer in Paradise (live single) Soul Searchin' (MIC mix) TWGMTR Spring Vacation From There and Back Again Summer's Gone Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on September 25, 2015, 05:11:50 PM I have to say that some of the songs that are being listed surprise me. I actually like most of the songs, but a song like It's Ok is catchy and fun, but nothing special in my opinion. Summer in Paradise single? I don't think it's as bad as a lot of people say but top notch? I disagree. Again, I won't argue about opinion. A lot of songs I really like, such as Male Ego I don't consider a 10/10. :)
Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Bean Bag on September 26, 2015, 08:22:03 AM I've been listening to a lot of Keepin' The Summer Alive lately, and if "California Girls" is a 10/10 -- then one song that really leaps out at me is "Goin' On."
While they would never again (possible exception: Kokomo) strike a chord with the general public like they did in the mid-60s, there are still a lot of those brilliant, odd, eccentric moments of pure genius from them and Brian. Melt Away, much of Love You, etc. But, I think "Goin' On" (which is top-of-mind for me right now) is the closest in terms of recapturing that brilliant, sparkling diamond of genius that is all over tracks like "Good Vibrations" and "California Girls" AND feels commercial (10/10) -- even though it wasn't a big hit. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: MikestheGreatest!! on September 26, 2015, 02:36:16 PM I really don't see a 10 of 10 release post-Holland. Most of the songs listed above seem to me to be about 8's at best, with many hovering in the 5 to 7 range. Although I still liked them very much post-Holland, that to me is when the career started heading south in terms of album quality. CATP can be excused partly for being a rush job, but LA, MIU, and 85 scream, "Mediocrity!!". Well, don't exactly scream it, more like actually inhabit mediocrity.
Oh sure, there are a few almost gems scattered amongst the ruins, but even those don't quite make it. Something has been lost along the way and even the better songs seem to be attempting to pick at the skeleton of their former work. I can still listen to the aforementioned titles, but it is more a labor of forbearance than of love, kind of like the affection a parent might still hold for a wayward child. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Bean Bag on September 26, 2015, 08:49:30 PM From the much maligned MIU Album, Al's "Winds Of Change" (which seems very "Brucian" in it's concept, but not in its execution) is a perfect little song. Certainly not a hit or even widely liked -- but to me the production is at the top of the notch. The arrangement is everything it needs to be. I wouldn't change anything on it -- and don't say "besides making it" -- because that's already been factored in. I think it's a perfect little creation, a part one or precursor to "Santa Anna Winds."
Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: The Shift on September 27, 2015, 12:55:59 AM From the much maligned MIU Album, Al's "Winds Of Change" (which seems very "Brucian" in it's concept, but not in its execution) is a perfect little song. Certainly not a hit or even widely liked -- but to me the production is at the top of the notch. The arrangement is everything it needs to be. I wouldn't change anything on it -- and don't say "besides making it" -- because that's already been factored in. I think it's a perfect little creation, a part one or precursor to "Santa Anna Winds." Agree - Winds must be one of the most overlooked songs in the band's output, probably cos it's not associated with Brian. I think Winds of Change more closely related to And I Always Will from his Postcards album… and that, to my ears, shares some DNA with From There to Back Again. All's voice is probably the main factor affecting my subconscious - they each have different composers/lyricists after all - but I see the three tunes as family. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 27, 2015, 01:38:19 AM From the much maligned MIU Album, Al's "Winds Of Change" (which seems very "Brucian" in it's concept, but not in its execution) is a perfect little song. Certainly not a hit or even widely liked -- but to me the production is at the top of the notch. The arrangement is everything it needs to be. I wouldn't change anything on it -- and don't say "besides making it" -- because that's already been factored in. I think it's a perfect little creation, a part one or precursor to "Santa Anna Winds." Agree - Winds must be one of the most overlooked songs in the band's output, probably cos it's not associated with Brian. I think Winds of Change more closely related to And I Always Will from his Postcards album… and that, to my ears, shares some DNA with From There to Back Again. All's voice is probably the main factor affecting my subconscious - they each have different composers/lyricists after all - but I see the three tunes as family. Unfashionable though it may be to admit this, I agree - and its a song with an ambition sorely lacking from most of tha album (and I love the coda...) Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: The Shift on September 27, 2015, 02:54:03 AM From the much maligned MIU Album, Al's "Winds Of Change" (which seems very "Brucian" in it's concept, but not in its execution) is a perfect little song. Certainly not a hit or even widely liked -- but to me the production is at the top of the notch. The arrangement is everything it needs to be. I wouldn't change anything on it -- and don't say "besides making it" -- because that's already been factored in. I think it's a perfect little creation, a part one or precursor to "Santa Anna Winds." Agree - Winds must be one of the most overlooked songs in the band's output, probably cos it's not associated with Brian. I think Winds of Change is more closely related to And I Always Will from his Postcards album… and that, to my ears, shares some DNA with From There to Back Again. All's voice is probably the main factor affecting my subconscious - they each have different composers/lyricists after all - but I see the three tunes as family. Unfashionable though it may be to admit this, I agree - and its a song with an ambition sorely lacking from most of tha album (and I love the coda...) Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Alan Smith on September 27, 2015, 05:16:30 AM From the much maligned MIU Album, Al's "Winds Of Change" (which seems very "Brucian" in it's concept, but not in its execution) is a perfect little song. Certainly not a hit or even widely liked -- but to me the production is at the top of the notch. The arrangement is everything it needs to be. I wouldn't change anything on it -- and don't say "besides making it" -- because that's already been factored in. I think it's a perfect little creation, a part one or precursor to "Santa Anna Winds." Please, Al's "Winds Of Change"? The liner notes would have it that Ron Altbach and Ed Tejulah cooked this turd up sometime before Al and Mike laid this (additionally) sh*t version down.Sorry 'bout that, I'm a big Al fan, and hate to see him lumbered inappropriately -(but aknowledge, he is sometimes easily led (for example, Take a Load off, and in later days, Island Girl, Lady Liberty etc). Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Sheriff John Stone on September 27, 2015, 06:29:04 AM From the much maligned MIU Album, Al's "Winds Of Change" (which seems very "Brucian" in it's concept, but not in its execution) is a perfect little song. Certainly not a hit or even widely liked -- but to me the production is at the top of the notch. The arrangement is everything it needs to be. I wouldn't change anything on it -- and don't say "besides making it" -- because that's already been factored in. I think it's a perfect little creation, a part one or precursor to "Santa Anna Winds." Please, Al's "Winds Of Change"? The liner notes would have it that Ron Altbach and Ed Tejulah cooked this turd up sometime before Al and Mike laid this (additionally) sh*t version down.Sorry 'bout that, I'm a big Al fan, and hate to see him lumbered inappropriately -(but aknowledge, he is sometimes easily led (for example, Take a Load off, and in later days, Island Girl, Lady Liberty etc). I wouldn't rate "Winds Of Change" a 10, but in my opinion, it's far from a "turd" and a "sh*t version". One of the biggest criticisms of the M.I.U. Album is that it's not adventurous and not too deep, maybe even shallow. With "Winds Of Change" they tried something a little deeper, a different style; they were even bold enough to go outside the group for the song. I give 'em a break, I like the song, but I still wish they would've ended the album with "Our Team". I love the fade... Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on September 27, 2015, 07:55:41 AM I would list Goin On and Winds of Change as a solid 7 or 8 of 10. The vocals on Goin On are a bit harsh. The tag of Winds of Change doesn't sound right. Not even close to the perfection in the tag on God Only Knows.
Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Sheriff John Stone on September 27, 2015, 09:22:43 AM I would list Goin On and Winds of Change as a solid 7 or 8 of 10. The vocals on Goin On are a bit harsh. The tag of Winds of Change doesn't sound right. Not even close to the perfection in the tag on God Only Knows. Not many songs in the history of popular music have a tag close to "God Only Knows".:-D However, the tag on "Winds Of Change" is great! I still remember the first time I played/heard M.I.U./"Winds Of Change". As a fan whose first new BB albums purchased were 15 Big Ones and Love You, and wondering if Brian would ever regain, not just his falsetto but his voice, you can only imagine how I felt when that "Winds Of Change" tag came out of the speakers. Emotional, surprised, and maybe even spiritual would describe it. I was literally doing cartwheels and going "Yes! Yes! Yes!" It still gets to me today. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: The Shift on September 27, 2015, 10:15:58 AM I would list Goin On and Winds of Change as a solid 7 or 8 of 10. The vocals on Goin On are a bit harsh. The tag of Winds of Change doesn't sound right. Not even close to the perfection in the tag on God Only Knows. Not many songs in the history of popular music have a tag close to "God Only Knows".:-D However, the tag on "Winds Of Change" is great! I still remember the first time I played/heard M.I.U./"Winds Of Change". As a fan whose first new BB albums purchased were 15 Big Ones and Love You, and wondering if Brian would ever regain, not just his falsetto but his voice, you can only imagine how I felt when that "Winds Of Change" tag came out of the speakers. Emotional, surprised, and maybe even spiritual would describe it. I was literally doing cartwheels and going "Yes! Yes! Yes!" It still gets to me today. … and if I recall, the Winds tag was one of those elements which came unstuck on the first CD issue of MiU. Some folks might not yet have heard be correct mix… Al wasn't prolific but he brought some strong tunes to the table - Susie C is one of my all-time fave BBs rockers; Santa Anna Winds is the kind of soft country whose style, if adopted, could have sustained them through leaner, less creative periods later on; Come Go With Me was a neat tip to their early doowop influences, and continued the theme of 15BOs. Lady Lynda was the hit it deserved to be, something which has eluded them virtually ever since. But hey, I like Feet too, so feel free to disregard all of the above!!! Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Alan Smith on September 27, 2015, 04:16:49 PM From the much maligned MIU Album, Al's "Winds Of Change" (which seems very "Brucian" in it's concept, but not in its execution) is a perfect little song. Certainly not a hit or even widely liked -- but to me the production is at the top of the notch. The arrangement is everything it needs to be. I wouldn't change anything on it -- and don't say "besides making it" -- because that's already been factored in. I think it's a perfect little creation, a part one or precursor to "Santa Anna Winds." Please, Al's "Winds Of Change"? The liner notes would have it that Ron Altbach and Ed Tejulah cooked this turd up sometime before Al and Mike laid this (additionally) sh*t version down.Sorry 'bout that, I'm a big Al fan, and hate to see him lumbered inappropriately -(but aknowledge, he is sometimes easily led (for example, Take a Load off, and in later days, Island Girl, Lady Liberty etc). I wouldn't rate "Winds Of Change" a 10, but in my opinion, it's far from a "turd" and a "sh*t version". One of the biggest criticisms of the M.I.U. Album is that it's not adventurous and not too deep, maybe even shallow. With "Winds Of Change" they tried something a little deeper, a different style; they were even bold enough to go outside the group for the song. I give 'em a break, I like the song, but I still wish they would've ended the album with "Our Team". I love the fade... IMHO, or within the ropey square within which I judge BB songs, I find this song a bit on the desperate side as though they were scrambling around for a "BIG" hit but going down an unfortunate MOR path - I could imagine a Dione Warwick or similar turning this into a huge slick hit, unfortunately Mike's a little shakey here (imo, again) and I'm still unconvinced it suited their (or my understanding of) style de jour. Anyway, yes, I'm on board with Our Team tho' - agree re the fade and it's got that a certain charm I think missing from other numbers from the MIU timeline. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Bean Bag on September 29, 2015, 04:26:21 PM I don't think they were reaching for a hit with Winds, but then again what do I know. I think they we going for a mood. It's sort of like "All This Is That." It's a state of mind, mantra, meditating place.
There is an element of cheese -- not maudlin, maybe a slightly lachrymose, or cloying sentiment -- but it only suggests it and doesn't fully succumb to it, for me anyway. And the tag provides a nice pay-off.. But my point in bringing it up is, it is a nice production. It was done right. The arrangement and production of it all is a real achievement. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: TimeToGetAlone on September 30, 2015, 10:26:24 AM Ignoring covers, songs that were recorded for albums up to Holland, I'm left with these tracks.
The Beach Boys Had to Phone Ya (Instrumental) Let Us Go On This Way The Night Was So Young I'll Bet He's Nice My Diane Love Surrounds Me Somewhere Near Japan You're Still a Mystery From There to Back Again Brian Wilson Melt Away Midnight's Another Day Dennis Wilson River Song Thoughts of You Farewell My Friend Rainbows Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: Alan Smith on October 01, 2015, 06:25:15 AM I don't think they were reaching for a hit with Winds, but then again what do I know. I think they we going for a mood. It's sort of like "All This Is That." It's a state of mind, mantra, meditating place. Thanks for expressing your thoughts so eloquently - my apologies for jumping on your original post and opinions in the way I did...I recall years ago on binaries.alt.beachboys or whatever a guy called "theoldgeezer' saying - "there are no bad beach boys songs". Such wisdom - cheersThere is an element of cheese -- not maudlin, maybe a slightly lachrymose, or cloying sentiment -- but it only suggests it and doesn't fully succumb to it, for me anyway. And the tag provides a nice pay-off.. But my point in bringing it up is, it is a nice production. It was done right. The arrangement and production of it all is a real achievement. :beer -A Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: rab2591 on October 01, 2015, 07:09:41 AM I would list Goin On and Winds of Change as a solid 7 or 8 of 10. The vocals on Goin On are a bit harsh. The tag of Winds of Change doesn't sound right. Not even close to the perfection in the tag on God Only Knows. Not many songs in the history of popular music have a tag close to "God Only Knows".:-D However, the tag on "Winds Of Change" is great! I still remember the first time I played/heard M.I.U./"Winds Of Change". As a fan whose first new BB albums purchased were 15 Big Ones and Love You, and wondering if Brian would ever regain, not just his falsetto but his voice, you can only imagine how I felt when that "Winds Of Change" tag came out of the speakers. Emotional, surprised, and maybe even spiritual would describe it. I was literally doing cartwheels and going "Yes! Yes! Yes!" It still gets to me today. Winds of Change always felt kinda off to me. I love the strings, the piano, the melody - but I feel the vocals could've used a bit more work; in my opinion the lead vocals should've been double tracked, and the tag could've used fuller, more drawn out harmonies. It's odd because the rest of the album has amazing vocals - it's the one latter day Beach Boys album that truly utilizes everyone's voices in that classic Beach Boys way. Regardless of my minuscule qualms with it, Winds has grown on me since I first heard it; it's a good closer to a decent album. Title: Re: Top quality original Beach Boys songs/productions after Holland Post by: The Shift on October 01, 2015, 07:10:05 AM I don't think they were reaching for a hit with Winds, but then again what do I know. I think they we going for a mood. It's sort of like "All This Is That." It's a state of mind, mantra, meditating place. Thanks for expressing your thoughts so eloquently - my apologies for jumping on your original post and opinions in the way I did...I recall years ago on binaries.alt.beachboys or whatever a guy called "theoldgeezer' saying - "there are no bad beach boys songs". Such wisdom - cheersThere is an element of cheese -- not maudlin, maybe a slightly lachrymose, or cloying sentiment -- but it only suggests it and doesn't fully succumb to it, for me anyway. And the tag provides a nice pay-off.. But my point in bringing it up is, it is a nice production. It was done right. The arrangement and production of it all is a real achievement. :beer -A I'm of the mindset that says even a bad Beach Boys' song is way better than most others bands' efforts. :beer indeed! |