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From Rolling Stone today: 

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/dozens-of-beatles-videos-to-accompany-1-reissues-20150915?utm_source=newsletter&utm_content=daily&utm_campaign=091515_16&utm_medium=email

I've been wanting something like this for the Beatles to come out for years, probably since the Anthology DVD came out and the videos looked so cool there, I wanted to see them in their entirety.  And I agree, something like this should come out for the Beach Boys.  There was a bonus DVD that came with some editions of Sounds of Summer which was very good but too short.  There's so much great video footage of the Beach Boys that I'd love to see collected in one place: the Lost Concert (which was released on DVD but is long out of print), the various David Frost and Mike Douglas appearances, the Central park show, Hyde Park in 1972, the Midnight Special appearance, plus there's stuff we know that's out there that's never been seen before... paging Mr. Alan Boyd!

Looks like all the Cedar Retouch experimenting for The Beatles Rock Band paid off, these new Stereo Mixes are awesome! Listen to some of the older stuff in the teaser video, Ringo's drums are separate from Paul's Bass especially on Day Tripper.

The licensing fees would be prohibitive, considering the likely return.

Other than the video for "Good Vibrations" and the Pet Sounds related videos on various documentaries, did The Beach Boys ever make promotional videos for any of their songs?

Friends

Getcha Back and so on  ;D

Oh yeah, I forgot about the BB85 promo's. There was one for It's Getting Late too. And promo's for Still Cruisin, SIP, and a video for That's Why God Made The Radio.

The moral of this story is, never post a question without fully thinking it out first.  ;D

I think:

California Dreamin
Rock and Roll to the Rescue
Wipe Out
Cottonfields

They could include the animated H&V that was entered for TSS comp.

That would certainly reduce traffic around here (my own guff included)

Hey John - don't forget the mother lode - Problem Child

Summer of Love

(and Crocodile Rock if you really want to get down to brass tacks)

Hope you're looking forward to Sunday night

- A

There is also the promo film of Don't Go Near The Water, and another 70's promo that I can't think of at the moment. Do the La Light Album videos count(Good Timin', Here Come The Night, etc) or were they part of a tv show?

Well, Gee, thanks. I'll shut up now.  :p

On blimey, where am I meant to be Sunday night? Are you taking me for dinner Alan? :)

If I recall, they also did a video for....struggling with the name of the song.  But, Mike, Carl, Al, and Bruce were on the beach, and the guy from Full House was playing the bongos. 

But seriously, anything myself, or somebody else, suggests any kind of Beach Boys DVD, the main argument against it is the cost. 

Why is it that other classic bands seem to have no trouble putting out these collections?  AC/DC, , Iron Maiden, Led Zeppelin, Queen, The Who, etc etc have all released video anthologies on DVD.   Were they just more willing to take the fiscal risk to reward their fans? 

:lol  Well, I meant new season of Doctor Who, but happy to shout you a Sunday roast with a few parkins for desert, if I can get to your place in time (ie, no chance)

BRI management need to answer that question.  Look at the mess the recent audio reissues have become, specifically the High Res digital releases, with 3 labels cranking out product at the same time - Acoustic Productions with X releases remastered by Kevin Gray, Capitol/UME picking up the slack and HD tracks getting in the middle with whatever comes their way.

If the audio reissues are subject to such cross handling, it doesn't forbode well for related media

Aha, that's Saturday night here in UK-land… Sunday night is Brian's gig at the O2… or not as it turned out…

The answer, in part, is that BRI hasn't had proper management in my opinion. That may not be the full explanation behind competing album reissues (not sure how much Capitol/UMe were behind that), but in general BRI hasn't seemed to be interested in management beyond acting as a holding company for the automatic royalties that come in from stuff like the touring license, etc.

As for why a BB video collection would be cost prohibitive and why other bands have done similar collections, there are many possible reasons. In some cases, those bands might own their own publishing, meaning they can negotiate cheaper sync licenses for the compositions (the BB's don't own the publishing on most of the 60s stuff). There is also the question of ownership of the video material. With some other bands, their label may own most or all of their videos, and may have been the one putting the collection out. No ownership issues there. With the BB's, especially if you started getting into TV appearances territory, there would be tons of rightsholders to deal with. Capitol might own some stuff. BRI owns some stuff. Other labels from over the years (Warner, CBS, Elektra, etc.) may own some of the footage. Then, various production companies or networks might own the TV stuff.

There's also the issue of marketability. Are some of those other bands bigger sellers on home video than the BB's? Also, how many 60s era promo films, *true* promo films, do the BB's actually have? There are some, but it would be a very scattered collection when it comes to their "classic" 60s stuff, and really even sketchy after that. They have a fair amount of videos from the 80s and early 90s "MTV era", but those are sometimes embarrassing and even less marketable. I would love to have such a collection, but it would end up being a huge hodgepodge that either ignores vast areas of well-known songs, or would have to substitute TV appearances of late-era concert performances to fill in those gaps.

An interesting factoid I read not that many years ago is that "music videos", meaning music collections or concert videos on the home video market, are generally *not* huge sellers. Yes, there are some exceptions, and something like a Beatles release will always sell well. But a band that regularly moves a few million units per year even, will not sell nearly as many copies of a live concert video, for instance. When you couple that with the exponentially higher cost of clearing the rights for the songs (for audio-only releases the royalty rate is a flat rate), that helps to explain why home video releases aren't always abundant for bands, and when they do happen, are often edited down.

Good lord Beatles stereo mixes annoy me.

Its too bad if it comes down to poor management.  I know The Who didn't do a ton of actual promos, but their DVD collections have managed to fill the gaps with TV appearances, live stuff, etc etc.  

*Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for a video anthology from my favorite group, Pink Floyd too*

The 50th Anniversary would've been prime time for archive DVD releases.  Since that's come and gone, it looks a little less likely each year.  So, we might have to resort to the........*whisper*.....bootleg market. .....er...I mean....imports.....yeah, imports.  That's the ticket.  

I enjoy them, as alternate ways to listen to the stuff. It varies from song to song, but apart from the out-of-sync stereo remix of "Eleanor Rigby" from the "Yellow Submarine Songtrack", I think they've all been quite good.

The earlier era BB stereo remixes (PS Sessions, EH Soundtrack) were very good, but eventually got into WAY too much reverb/echo.

But generally speaking, I've enjoyed Beatles stereo remixes more than BB stereo remixes, and that's with the knowledge that in many cases BB stuff *needs* a stereo remix more desperately than some Beatles stuff. (To the degree that anything "needs" a remix, of course).

C50 could have been a huge opportunity to market and cross-market more stuff. Again, bad management (or no management), which leads to the whole thing falling apart, and then it isn't surprising in the least that nobody, and perhaps especially Mike, are going to be championing more C50 tour stuff in light of the way the C50 tour ended.

Where management would come in for that stuff or the ZILLION other archival projects they could be doing, is that a good manager could keep everyone happy and on the same page even if they don't want to actively all work together recording new music or touring together.

Hopefully that might still come to pass.

Perhaps.  I don't think any further C50 live releases will happen until the current version of The Beach Boys is retired. 

I could see a C50 release happening sooner within the context of a larger "archive" program, something like an online hub where several archival live shows are released each month. I could see them mixing in some 2012 stuff with stuff from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s.

But this would require better management, and a willingness among at least the majority of the shareholders to actively support it.

Very true. 

For now, I think I'll just go ahead and put this Beatles release on my Amazon Wish List.  Although, I wish they did a separate DVD release so I didn't have to get the '1' album again.  Oh well. 

Actually there is a separate DVD release and it's listed on Amazon at this link! (http://www.amazon.com/1-DVD-Amaray-Box-Beatles/dp/B01576X8I2/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1442410357&sr=1-1)

The only bummer is it's only the one disc version. As of this moment I'm probably gonna get the one CD, two DVD set, since I will want the new stereo mixes on CD and because I will want all the extra videos they are putting on the second DVD.

Same here. 

Remember there was an hour-long video compilation run on AMC about 12-13 years ago when they did the "AmPop" summer promotion, and they had a neat collection of film clips, promos, TV commercials, and Dennis' full POB promotional film edited together. Even without paying Andy Williams' estate or the Merv Griffin company, there are some pretty neat clips that could be used I'd think for a scaled-down version of what the Beatles are doing here.

I agree. 

I'm sure it would be darn near impossible to get a complete anthology.  Even the video images used by the actual Beach Boys in concert are not the best quality. 

But, I'm sure something could be released. 

Quite frankly, as well as The Beatles do things, I'm surprised it took them this long to put out a collection like this. 

A collection even of stuff like that would be great. I think the main roadblock again is sync rights to the compositions for home video, which gets infinitely more expensive than even TV airings typically.

The bummer with AMC is that they aired all of that cool footage in small groupings rather than the originally-planned stand-alone TV special that was going to compile everything. So it was hard to snag all the footage without incessantly watching AMC. 

quoting you from 2014:  


there was more info from others, in the same thread.  
Seems to me with the Capitol and BRI owned videos, the BBs could produce a fairly nice product.
Of course, that would take management, which they're WAY short on, and member agreement ( which they're also WAY short on)

Not to sound morbid, but more archival releases might have to wait until these decisions fall into the bands of the children of Mike, Brian, and Al. 

Just a theory, and I hope that's something that's still in the distant future. 

Bgas coming through with the archival quotes!  :)

That AMC promotion ran in two formats, and I remember this because I had recorded what i could on VHS, then lost the key tape that had the hour-long full compilation, and spent some time asking around for it until a board member on what was then The Smile Shop came through. I'll always appreciate that gesture!

But what AMC did was to air beach-themed movies on a given weekend night, and in between the films they'd run the short clips. So you'd get a beach flick, then see about 10 minutes of clips like the GV promo, Donna Loren and Dick Dale singing "Muscle Bustle", Brian singing "The Lonely Sea" from Girls On The Beach, etc.

After THAT, if you were lucky enough to find it in the days before on-screen channel schedules and on-demand cable, they would run the hour-long compilation that I mentioned above, and in the quote Bgas found mentioning Friends and the airline commercial that Ed Roach found. GREAT stuff. This was the VHS tape which I originally lost, then found via a fellow fan back in 2002 or so.

I have the full tracklist of the hour-long version on another computer, but needless to say it was a very enjoyable hour of Beach boys film clips, and even if you take out the POB promotional film which was the longest clip by far, you could still pad that time with enough Beach Boys material to at least be something comparable to the Beatles project.

And it could be done without paying the Andy Williams estate... ;)

I ended up tracking down most of the AMC stuff (including the airline commercial bit) either by taping it myself or through others. My recollection is that AMC may have at some point run a full hour of the BB footage. But they originally did a big announcement of the whole big BB promotion they were doing, and that they were going to do a fully-produced TV special of that footage (with a title, etc.), separate from airing "Endless Harmony" and whatnot. I vaguely recall the supposed special was given a title in one of the press releases. I actually just did some Googling, and it jogged my memory, it was a special that was going to be titled "The Beach Boys - Then & Now."

But that never happened as I recall; they aired the footage as filler bits and then at some point apparently did run a full hour or so of the footage. But I don't think it was a full "TV special" with a title and credits or anything. It was just a case of, if you watched the channel all the time or had a VCR running all the time, you managed to catch it. But unless someone can confirm from their old VHS tape, I don't think they ever put together something actually called "Then & Now."

It wasn't apparently, they absolutely did run the hour-long program as I just said above I watched it and recorded it off AMC when it aired!  :lol

I still have the replacement tape on VHS. And it was the summer promotion with AMC that particular year, so usually late-night after the regular Am-Pop film broadcasts, I remember seeing the Beach Boys clip compilation airing randomly at times like 3am or so. They aired it several times, too.

It would be an hour of clips, or maybe 45 minutes or so minus POB, that would be "ready to go" if it could ever be worked out by corporate.

Yep, they did air that larger hunk of footage. But unless someone can mention otherwise, and also the reason so few fans even caught that longer airing of footage, is because they never programmed it as the "Then & Now" special as they originally planned/announced.

A few of the clips AMC aired have since been released ("Friends" promo film, "Good Vibrations" promo film). While a release of the footage they aired would be great, I'd rather see BRI put some more thought into something more organized and substantive.

The problem isn't that BRI won't put the time or money into clearing or paying for any particular piece of footage. The whole mindset appears faulty; they (and it seems at least some of the shareholders) have little interest in helping along any archival releases. And I'm pretty sure they *have* been presented with other ideas that were never followed up on, because both management and at least some if not all of the shareholders aren't even anywhere near that train of thought.

Those clips that ended up in full on AMC's "Am Pop" were clips that didn't make it onto Endless Harmony, and I thought when AMC was setting up the project they asked for short films and content to run in between the feature films they were showing...is that accurate? I watched a lot of the AMC programming back then and don't recall hearing that AMC would be involved in creating a special around the Beach Boys that was anything beyond the clips they had asked for to run between the beach movies.

The hour-long program is (as it exists on my VHS) and was just a compilation of the short clips Alan and Ed had assembled, and I think I remember some of the hours showed a different sequence of the film clips, although I could be wrong on that due to this being over a decade ago and airing late at night on weekends...(do the math, lol)

I say this based on comments posted here by Ed Roach and either here or elsewhere by Alan Boyd who described the offer coming from AMC asking for clips to run on Am Pop, nothing mentioned about a full-blown special. Could the special have just been scuttlebutt that never got past the drawing board, like the original announcement around 1994 of a PS and Smile sessions box set project that never materialized?

Here is what I was able to dig up from my old notes:

The Beach Boys: Then and Now
Running on (AMC) American Movie Classics
This Saturday, March 25, 2000
At 11:00 pm - 12:00 am ET

Featured Artists
The Beach Boys

About Beach Boys: Then and Now

One-hour special featuring classic performances of the group's timeless hits combined with interviews and rare footage from The Beach Boys' own archives. This light-hearted time capsule features segments juxtaposing Beach Boys' numbers with vintage 1960s material, woven together with recent interviews featuring Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Alan Jardine, Bruce Johnston as well as highlights from the late Carl Wilson's final interview. Performances include: "I Get Around" and "Dance Dance Dance," rare numbers cut from the original release of the legendary 1964 "T.A.M.I. Show;" Original music videos produced by the group in the late 1960s, including gems like "Good Vibrations," "Friends" and the legendary "Pet Sounds," "California Dreaming," "Still Cruising," and "Hot Fun in the Summertime;" highlights of long-unseen concerts from the Beach Boys' archives, with audio remixed from original 24 hour track masters; highlights of the group's triumphant reunion in Nashville in 1996, and much more.

My recollection is that it never aired in that time slot, never aired under that title, and I'm not even sure some of the mentioned videos (e.g. "Hot Fun in the Summertime") were aired at all (although, perhaps they all were aired during that long block of programming). I'd also say I don't recall any substantive "unseen concert" footage from their archives remixed from the original 24-track masters, although I suppose if they aired something from Knebworth 1980 that might technically count.

Even with all their problems, it seems a bit unfair to knock them for all archival releases.
We've gotten quite a few good collections over the years. NOT as much as we'd all like to see/hear, but still!!  
Add in the copyright  releases( minimal effort, I know) and it's obvious they're showing some interest; better when they have to do as little as possible( for the most $$)

I'm hoping this years' Xmas time release will be supercalifragilistic!  So there....

Sounds like a bigger project that never got off the ground floor. Which in retrospect may be a good thing because putting the "newer" videos like anything after 1982 or so alongside the classics might have been too jarring of a juxtaposition for the fans watching 60's summertime beach flicks on AMC. And for me too, just sayin. "Hot Fun..." next to the GV firehouse film? Hell, no.  ;D   Blasphemy.

But here is a tracklist of the compilation AMC did actually show on Am Pop that summer, and this is the hour version I have on VHS. As mentioned, I think I remember seeing other hours of this where the sequencing may have been different.

1. I Get Around - The TAMI Show
2. The Girls On The Beach - from the movie
3. Dance Dance Dance - The TAMI Show
4. Little Honda - Promo film directed by Dennis
5. The Lonely Sea - from Girls On The Beach movie
6. Muscle Bustle - Dick dale and Donna Loren from movie
7. Sloop John B. - footage from “The Beach Boys In London”, filmed by Peter Whitehead
8. Good Vibrations - promo directed by Brian
9. Friends - live on TV, unknown origin
10. Friends - promo film
11. The airline commercial excerpt with Bruce at the Hammond organ
12. Good Timin’ - promo
13. Do It Again - Nashville Fan-Fest w. Brian
14. Little Honda - from Girls On The Beach movie
15. Clips from Pet Sounds documentary: includes footage edited from 6-minute original PS Promo film, re-cut to “I Just Wasn’t Made For These Times”
16. Sloop John B. - Original promo featuring Derek Taylor, shot at Carl’s house
17. Pacific Ocean Blue - Dennis Wilson promo film, shot by Ed Roach


Looking at this list, I do see a handful that would need to be paid for and licensed beyond the BB's own ownership of the various promo clips like GV, Friends, etc. So maybe it is more wishful thinking than reality. I forgot how many licensed clips they actually used on AMC back then.

I'm not sure how readily available "Girls on the Beach" is these days, but with the TAMI DVD release and subsequent BB DVD releases, about the only thing left in that list that hasn't been officially released at one point or another is the little airline commercial bit, the "Good Timin'" promo video and the "Pacific Ocean Blue" promo film. I think everything else can be found on releases including "Endless Harmony", "Sights & Sounds of Summer", the various PS-related DVD/DVD-Audio releases, "Nashville Sounds", the Whitehead footage DVD, etc.)

My prospective collection.  Since the Beatles did their collection based on the "1" compilation, I found a video for every song from the Sounds of Summer compilation.  And like the Beatles collection, there would be a second disc for alternate versions and rarities and so on though I haven't thought that through.

Sounds of Summer: The Beach Boys Video Collection

1.   Surfin' Safari (One Man's Challenge 1962) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOg1MxozVPc
2.   Surfin' USA (Red Skelton Show 1963) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7inoTZzW5I
3.   Fun, Fun, Fun (Steve Allen Show 1964) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuXBYDKROw0
4.   Shut Down (Lost Concert 1964) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXWjR6q5u4
5.   Little Deuce Coupe (Lost Concert 1964) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6DrMkLNYKw
6.   Don't Worry Baby (American Bandstand 1964) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-0nWVdBH4
7.   In My Room (Red Skelton Show 1964) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV-dWhYklqE
8.   Surfer Girl (TAMI Show 1964) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB_a1gNoSYg
9.   Dance, Dance, Dance (TAMI Show 1964) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkW4Egnk23k
10.   When I Grow Up To Be a Man (Ready Steady Go 1964) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EzEhW1VO9M
11.   Do You Wanna Dance? (Shindig 1965) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nztxd92hl0g
12.   Help Me, Rhonda (The Andy Williams Show 1965) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mZ0ApTA-y4
13.   Barbara Ann (The Jack Benny Hour 1965) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=654H4xfDYKM
14.   Sloop John B (Promo Film 1966) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSAoEf1Ib58
15.   Good Vibrations (Promo Film 1966) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-YzG9NZrI0
16.   Heroes and Villains (Sequence from Peter Clifton's Popcorn 1969) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltXz42OT1Vg
17.   California Girls (Kraft Music Hall 1969) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ1UqDnY7as
18.   I Can Hear Music (Mike Douglas Show 1969) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzCy0VKMhUs
19.   Wild Honey (Hyde Park 1972) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS6m0fN-Ow0
20.   Be True to Your School (Good Vibrations Tour 1976) https://youtu.be/q41PCwZZPJQ?t=44s
21.   Rock and Roll Music (Good Vibrations Tour 1976)
22.   Darlin' (Live at Knebworth 1980) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D3DUx5X8kw
23.   God Only Knows (Live at Knebworth 1980) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8qZMFFDYa0
24.   Good Timin' (Washington DC 1980) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBCMXZ4Byxc
25.   Come Go With Me (Washington DC 1984) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DKqvnXPkU0
26.   Wouldn't It Be Nice (Live Aid 1985) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUCm_-zvj00
27.   Getcha Back (1985 Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAZBbZ27xlM
28.   Kokomo (1988 Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbqLCMVRU8o
29.   Do It Again (2012 Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMKqMrMmj7I
30.   I Get Around (2013 Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbywM1PDORA

Thanks for that Rocky!  Great collection.  ;D

I can’t argue with a DVD full of cool BB clips. But I’d MUCH rather see them do something more substantive and fresh and new. I get it, it would be targeted at more casual fans. But the band is 53 years into their history now, and fans are getting older, and they’ve already re-pitched their hits to every generation multiple times. I’m kind of done with buying discs of stuff I already own just to get a little tidbit here or there.

About 1/3 of that tracklisting is already currently commercially available on DVD (and even more is available if we count out of print releases and, as evidenced, all of it is available on YouTube).

I’d rather see a full concert or series of concerts be released. It would allow for plenty of “hits”, and also give fans something truly new. TAMI and the “Lost Concert” are great, but we already own that stuff, in some cases several times over. A lot of the 60’s TV appearances are expensive to license, and the extant source materials may not all be readily available or in good shape. I’d love to get full compilations of all their “Shindig” appearances in great quality, and of course all of their other TV appearances.

Frankly, more than a slew of old TV clips, a wide-ranging, serious, extensive documentary needs to be done on the band while the remaining principals are alive and lucid for new and in-depth interviews. That would be a much better way to then present a wide-ranging hodge podge of TV clips.

Either way, I definitely wouldn’t prefer a DVD compilation that is not only tied down by the constraints of the “Sounds of Summer” tracklisting, but also weighed down by the need to source early period TV appearances, many of which we already have.

The upcoming Beatles promo film compilation is a whole other ball of wax. They had far more “proper” promo videos/films, especially in the 60s (and even then, they’re kind of stretching to find pre-1965 stuff for the Beatles and are having to go to TV clips and creating new clips from scratch), a number of which are far more iconic, and they also have access to a ton of original videotape and film elements, and a much larger budget to get it all done. For the Beatles, the best video stuff that hasn’t been put out, apart from “Let It Be”, is those promo films.

For the Beach Boys, on the other hand, there are DECADES of live concerts to mine for much more interesting video releases. To say nothing of HOURS of studio (and live) audio material that is awaiting release.

Now that you mention it, I'd actually have to agree.  I'd rather see the Beach Boys come out with something like the Ramones' "It's Alive" DVD set, two discs of concert clips and TV appearances, rather than a straight greatest video hits collection.

This might make a good deal of money, I'm a fairly big fan and I've never seen the Beach Boys videos of those early songs, I think I've seen the swimming pool video... and I've seen some of the concert footage, and some of the 80's music videos from when I was a kid. 

They've likely got tons of other appearances where a camera was pointed at them and any of those videos would be gold, just to see Mike's hat or Al's t-shirt. 

I agree... but I'm thinking about this.  I wonder what the atmosphere is around the band, regarding stuff like that being released?

Brian for instance (whom I love) was an early RIAA guy talking out against Napster, and in the statement about that said that he likes to release songs that he feels are finished, and doesn't want people hearing unfinished work or stuff that he feels isn't good enough.  As we all known Brian's work has been extensively bootlegged.  

Now, whatever your opinion is about that, that apparently is Brian's opinion.  I'm not talking about the merit of bootlegs or leaked material, just saying that's Brian's stated opinion.  



So sometimes I wonder if the incredible wealth of material, especially live material, isn't released simply because Brian and others involved, just don't want that stuff released because they feel it's not up to snuff, or would hurt the band, or whatever.  It could even come down to, Brian has that opinion and hired managers or people at the record label who have interpreted that opinion as meaning "Don't even talk to Brian about anything unreleased".  

They release SOME unreleased stuff, but we all known there's hundreds of hours or stuff that nobody's got.  


So my theory is, Brian doesn't want, this, this, or this, released.  He hires Bob, or Bob gets hired, and Brian tells him "No, No, and NO" on those three things... so Bob assumes, Brian doesn't want anything old released... and we end up where we are.   

Not to be Morbid, but it's time to cash in, guys.  Now or never. 

A lot of people here seem to be confusing a certain distinction regarding this new Beatles dvd set, and a prospected Beach Boys dvd set. This new Beatles collection comes(mostly?) from their own promotional films that they probably own the rights and clearance to. The type of Beach Boys films we're all talking about in this thread are from television appearances, from big names like Ed Sullivan, Andy Williams, Merv Griffin, Mike Douglas, etc. These are all film clips that the group doesn't own, which makes things infinitely more complicated(and expensive).

I have to say that as AGD pointed out, the cost of such a dvd/blu-ray would be enormous and the chances of a worthwhile return very small.
I understand Bruce Welch of The Shadows was trying to put together something like this for The Shadows and had to give up because of the expense involved.
To give an example from my own personal experience, i am involved in a cd project of a 1950s/60s UK act and located a short piece of film (about 50 seconds long), black and white silent. The cost of using this film with the proper clearance was basically £1000.
Try putting a DVD together factoring in that kind of basic cost. That doesn't include any payment for myself for the two or so years I spent trying to find some film of this particular artist in various worldwide archives which included dozens and dozens of hours scouring every possible UK tv guide/music paper from 1959 to 1967. I'm still working on this project and when the time comes, with the help of a handful of other enthusiasts we are gonna pay for that footage out of our own pockets. The chances of getting any of this money back is likely to be substantially less than zero and on top of that we have to pay a European radio archive for a live broadcast tape from the 60s.
As a business proposition this is clearly a non-starter.
I urge you to take a couple of minutes out to play Guess I'm Dumb for everyone who embarks on this kind of idiocy !
It's taken The Beatles 50 years to get this together (pretty pathetic in my opinion) and there are 3 (yes 3) versions of Hello Goodbye on this Fab set. That's at least 2 too many and i count myself a pretty serious Beatle-head.
It's highly doubtful that there's much that hardcore fans of the band haven't already got on bootleg dvd.
To be honest, the only way to go for this kind of set for other artists is the bootleg route. Otherwise this stuff will stay in the archives until we're all dead and no-one else is interested. Not even The Rolling Stones have produced an all-encompassing 60's TV/Promo set and they could expect pretty good sales.   
Having said all that, yes it would be great if The Beach Boys could produce a good DVD/Blu-Ray set.
I'm grateful for the copyright buster download sets they and Dylan's people have put out the last couple of years. They lead the way on that. Apple are left looking clueless as regards The Beatles audio legacy. We should all be very grateful to Mark L., Alan Boyd et al.

Not to stray off topic, but if it’s “pathetic” that the Beatles took this long to get such a set out, I can’t see how it would be disagreeable, after all this time an expense, to provide all three versions of “Hello Goodbye.” As it is, they’ve still left off some stuff and fans are predictably bellyaching about it.

Boot VHS and DVDs don’t compare to what this Blu-ray set will be. 4K scans and 2K restorations; no boot can do that. Most boot stuff is taken from VHS dubs. On rare occasions, some of the boots might only be one or two video dub generations from some old 16mm film transfer. The best-looking stuff that has been out there has been from low-generation dubs of official EPK stuff from the last few decades. 

The Beach Boys, for a million reasons, don’t really have an equivalent project in their grasp like this Beatles project. One shouldn’t be attempted. What the BBs do have is a s**t-ton of unreleased audio and video that could be presented in a myriad of formats. The BB’s have more material and more options than Apple does with the Beatles, just in terms of the sheer amount of extant material.

Oh, I will be getting for sure! Been dying for them to do this for a while now.

There are 4 versions iirc. I'd just rather have 5 Paperback Writers or Rains. Hello Goodbye drives me mad and they look pretty bored in it.
There's plenty of other stuff for them to choose from.  All the same, i'm glad Crapple have finally done something positive and i'm really looking forward to it.  I wish they'd take a good hard look at what's been done by Dylan and The Beach Boys in terms of new old audio releases. There is enough material still left for some killer sets should they choose to do it. Problem is, The Beatles are always aimed at the general public while other acts (like Bob and The Beach Boys) realise there's a whole other bunch of obsessive nuts who are genuinely interested in their tape vaults. If the rumours concerning Dylan's end of year release are true, we're looking at something to rival The Smile Sessions box in terms of desirabilty and he's only fairly recently put out the Complete Basement Tapes.