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Do any of you guys know what is on the Beach Boys Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 The Smile Sessions that isnt on the Smile sessions box set? Thanks

someone else can answer this better, but in general, the studio chatter gets vastly abridged on the boxset. Lots of takes are shortened to just one or two on the boxset. A couple pieces of Child is Father of the Man got left off, unfortunately. Im not sure offhand if thats the case with other songs.

Here's a quick run-down for you.  Most of the mixing is different, so we are focusing on recordings.  Anythign that is exclusive to Unsurpassed Masters 17 is notated at NOT ON TSS.  Anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

SOT 17, disc 1
1.  Heroes And Villains Theme (take 14) 0:51 * 
2.  Heroes And Villains Theme (take unknown) 1:06 *
These two are the same as Disc 3 Track 2 (DYLW pt 2 aka Bicycle Rider Theme)

3.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 1st vocal overdub) 0:52
4.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 2nd vocal overdub) 0:46
5.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 3rd vocal overdub) 0:46
6.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 4th vocal overdub) 0:47
7.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 5th vocal overdub) 0:47
NOT ON TSS.  This is literally the vocal overdubs and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks onto the verse of Heroes and Villains. 

8.  "In The Cantina" (vocal overdub take unknown) 0:38 *
Mono mix of Disc 2 Track 16, Cantina Section with overdubs. 

9.  "My Children Were Raised" (vocal overdub take unknown) 0:18 *
Mono mix of Disc 2 Track 13, My Children Were Raised #1 section 

10. "How I Love My Girl" (vocal overdub take 10) 1:59
Exact same mix of Gee -> Heroes and Villains pt2 as found on Disc 4 Track 24

11. Heroes And Villains (last part - mono mix) 1:13 *
Mono mix w/ vocals of Heroes and Villains fade (aka False Barnshine) as on TSS

12. Heroes And Villains (last part - stereo mix) 0:40
NOT ON TSS Never could figure what this is, if it is really an unused section of H&H.  Anyone?

13. Heroes And Villains (last part - stereo mix) 1:09
Stereo mix of H&V Fade (False Barshine as heard on Disc 3 Track 6

14. Heroes And Villains (mono mix attempt) 1:55 *
15. Heroes And Villains (mono mix attempt) 0:52 *
NOT ON TSS Direct master dub of mono mix attempts of H&V.  Very interesting.

16. Heroes And Villains (mono mix attempt) 1:21 *
NOT ON TSS Alternate mono mix attempt of H&V

17. Heroes And Villains Part 2 (takes 1 & 2) 1:40
NOT ON TSS.  Alternate takes of H&V Fade (False Barnshine)

18. Heroes And Villains Part 2 (takes 4-8) 2:35
NOT ON TSS.  Alternate takes of H&V Fade (False Barnshine)

19. Heroes And Villains Part 2 (takes 14 & 15) 1:45
Same as heard on Disc 3 Track 6 but more tracking dialog. 

20. Bicycle Rider (1st vocal overdub) 0:33
21. Bicycle Rider (2nd vocal overdub) 0:32
22. Bicycle Rider (3rd vocal overdub) 0:36
NOT ON TSS.  This is literally the vocal overdubs and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks onto the chorus of Do You like Worms. 

23. Do You Like Worms (part 1 - takes 23 & 24) 1:09
As heard on Disc 3 Track 1

24. Do You Like Worms (part 1 - 1st vocal overdub) 1:19
25. Do You Like Worms (part 1 - 2nd vocal overdub) 1:19
NOT ON TSS.  This is literally the vocal overdubs and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks onto the verse of Do You like Worms. 

26. Do You Like Worms (part 2 - rehearsal final part) 1:04
As heard on Disc 3 Track 3

27. Do You Like Worms (part 2 - 1st vocal overdub) 2:56
28. Do You Like Worms (part 2 - 2nd vocal overdub) 2:55
NOT ON TSS.  This is literally the vocal overdubs and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks onto the assembled mix of Do You like Worms. 

29. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (takes 1 & 2) 1:41
30. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (take 4) 1:27
31. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (takes 6 & 7) 2:47
32. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (takes 10 & 11) 1:11
NOT ON TSS.  TSS features takes 1, 3 and 5, but here is 1,2,4,6,7,10 & 11

33. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (mono mix) 1:07 *
Mono instrumental mix without fade, I think this is on TSS somewhere. 

34. He Gives Speeches (take unknown) 1:04 *
35. He Gives Speeches (lead vocal overdub) 1:09
36. He Gives Speeches (backing vocal overdub) 1:12
NOT ON TSS.  This is literally the vocal overdubs and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks onto the assembled mix of He Gives Speeches 

37. Wonderful (takes 1-3) 2:52 *
38. Wonderful (takes 6-8) 2:48 *
39. Wonderful (takes 16-18) 0:51 *
NOT ON TSS.  Multiple takes of version 1 of Wonderful

40. Wonderful (take unknown) 2:14 *
41. Wonderful (instrumental overdub) 2:13
NOT ON TSS.  Multiple takes of version 2 of Wonderful (Rock Me Henry)

42. Wonderful (1st vocal overdub) 2:13
NOT ON TSS.  Vocal overdubs onto version 2 of Wonderful

43. Wonderful (vocal insert rehearsals) 6:27 *
44. Wonderful (1st vocal insert) 0:56
45. Wonderful (2nd vocal insert) 0:55
46. Wonderful (vocal insert stereo mix) 1:05
NOT ON TSS.  Tracking and mixing of Wonderful vocal inserts, more than heard on Disc 3 Track 13.
 

I have to admit, I was very disappointed that TSS didn't have the "Do You Like Worms" cough.

BTW, the liner notes in Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 absolutely SUCKED.

WOW Thanks. SO when you say things that are noted in red are not on TSS are you saying that grouping isnt on the TSS or just the one right above it?

I'm 99% sure that was recorded for Can't Wait Too Long in late 67-early 68. Isn't it even featured in the CWTL music collage released on the Smiley Smile/Wild Honey two-fer?

Yep, the grouping.  It's really cool, one track would be in instrumental + Brian's first overdub.  The next track would be the instrumental and the previous vocal part + a new one.  And so forth.  That's why I grouped them together. 

This is time consuming, so stay put.  Here's disc two. 

SOT 17 disc 2
1.   Child Is Father Of The Man (part 1 - takes 1-4) 4:51
2.   Child Is Father Of The Man (part 1 - take 8) 0:40
NOT ON TSS.  More takes here than presented on Disc 3 Track 16

3.   Child Is Father Of The Man (verse - takes 1-10) 1:36
Stereo mix of Child Interlude as on Disc 3 Track 16. 

4.   Child Is Father Of The Man (take unknown) 0:59 *
NOT ON TSS.  mono instrumentalist mix of Child piano demo

5.   Look (takes 1 & 2) 1:22
6.   Look (takes 4 & 5) 1:08
7.   Look (takes 6-13) 2:10
8.   Look (takes 14-19) 1:06
NOT ON TSS.  Many takes not on TSS

9.   Look (take 20) 2:49
As heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 15

10. Vega-Tables (part 1 - piano track) 1:29 *
11. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub) 1:31
12. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub attempt) 1:28
13. Vega-Tables stereo (part 1 - instrumental & vocal overdub attempts) 1:30
14. Vega-Tables stereo (part 1 - instrumental & vocal overdub attempts) 1:30
15. Vega-Tables stereo (part 1 - instrumental & vocal overdub attempts) 1:30
16. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub attempts) 1:35
17. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub attempts) 1:35
18. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub attempts) 1:33
19. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub attempts) 1:34
NOT ON TSS.  Vocal overdub and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks on the assembled Vege-Tables piano track. 

20. Vega-Tables (part 1 - instrumental insert takes 1-8) 5:13 *
NOT ON TSS.  Multiple attempts of the organ overdub featured on the final verse of the Smiley Smile Vege-Tables

21. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal insert rehearsals) 1:08 *
NOT ON TSS.  Rehearsal and/or a capella verse section

22. Vega-Tables (part 1 - mono mix rehearsals) 2:33 *
NOT ON TSS.  Several mono mix attempts of Vege-Tables 

23. Vega-Tables (part 2 - take unknown) 1:22
Stereo instrumental first chorus section, as heard on Disc 3 Track 24

24. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 1st vocal overdub) 1:30
25. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 2nd vocal overdub) 1:25
ALT MIX Stereo vocal overdubs on first chorus section, as heard on Disc 3 Track 24

26. Vega-Tables (part 2 - track rehearsal) 2:18 *
NOT ON TSS.  Stereo instrumental second chorus

27. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 1st vocal overdub) 1:27
28. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 2nd vocal overdub) 1:28
29. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 3rd vocal overdub) 1:29
30. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 4th vocal overdub) 1:28
NOT ON TSS.  Stereo vocal overdubs and bounces of second chorus, more complete than Disc 3 Track 25

31. Vega-Tables (part 2 - mono mix) 1:20 *
Mono mix of first chorus. 

32. Vega-Tables (part 3 - take 12) 1:44
Stereo instrumental of Vege-Tables Fade, as heard on Disc 4 Track 1

33. Vega-Tables (part 3 - 1st vocal overdub) 1:46
34. Vega-Tables (part 3 - 2nd vocal overdub) 1:49
NOT ON TSS.  Stereo vocal overdubs and bounces on Vege-Tables Fade

35. Vega-Tables (part 3 - mono mix) 1:15 *
Mono mix attempt of Vege-Tables fade. 

36. Vega-Tables (various mix rehearsals) 1:53 *
NOT ON TSS.  Mono mix attempts of second verse

SOT disc 3:

1.  Wind Chimes (takes 1-3) 2:43
2.  Wind Chimes (take 4) 1:45
3.  Wind Chimes (take 5) 3:19
4.  Wind Chimes (takes 6 & 7) 1:32
5.  Wind Chimes (pick-up takes 1-5) 4:04
6.  Wind Chimes (takes 8 & 9) 1:59
NOT ON TSS.  More complete tracking sessions and more takes of Wind Chimes version 1 (Disc 4 Track 4)

7.  Wind Chimes (track) 3:01
Stereo Instrumental backing track of Wind Chimes version 2 (Disc 4 Track 5)

8.  Wind Chimes (1st vocal overdub) 2:58
NOT ON TSS.  Stereo vocal overdub of assembled Wind Chimes backing track (version 2 + tag). 

9.  Wind Chimes (last part take 3) 0:35
Stereo instrumental of Wind Chimes coda (Disc 4 Track 4)

10. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (part 1 - take unknown) 0:56
11. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (take 1) 0:53
12. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (take 2) 2:21
13. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (takes 3-7) 3:14
14. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (takes 11 & 12) 1:28
15. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (takes 15-18) 2:11
NOT ON TSS.  More takes than on TSS (Disc 4 Track 7)

16. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (overdub take 1) 1:45
NOT ON TSS.  Overdub of fire sound fx onto Mrs O'Leary's Cow, as heard on Disc 4 Track 25, but complete.

17. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (mono mix) 1:37 *
ALT MIX Mono mix of Mr's O'Leary's Cow (edit composite) with fire FX

18. Friday Night (take 1) 2:17
19. Friday Night (take 2) 1:22 *
20. Friday Night (takes 6-10) 2:24
NOT ON TSS.  More takes than on TSS Disc 3 Track 21

21. Water (take unknown) 0:59 *
22. Water (1st vocal overdub) 0:58
23. Water (2nd vocal overdub) 0:57
24. Water (3rd vocal overdub) 0:59
25. Water (4th vocal overdub) 0:57
26. Water (stereo mix) 0:59
NOT ON TSS.  Instrumental backing track, then multiple stereo vocal overdubs and bounces

27. Vega-Tables radio spot rehearsals 22:43 *
NOT ON TSS.  More complete (extra 20 minutes!!) dialog of Disc 4 Track 23


So there you go...  for completists, both Unsurpassed Masters 17 and The Smile Sessions are essential.  SOT17 has multiple alternate takes and tracking sessions not present on TSS, but TSS has a bit better soundquality and some more finished mixes not on SOT17. 

Oh wow that is so helpful! Thanks you for all that help that must have token alot of work!  8)

Does anyone know what is on the Unserpassed Masters - Good Vibration takes that isnt on the Smile box set?

Much obliged, Sonic!

Nice sonic - for completeness how about doing Vol 16 which if I remember also has some things not on TSS?

And it might be nice to catalogue the instrumental takes that TSS has that are missing from Unsurpassed Masters.  What we need to do is compile from UM and other boots AND TSS The most complete chronological record of the Smile sessions.  TSS complete and Unedited, at least based on the sources available.  There are still vault items that could be released - like a stereo You're Welcome, stereo Barnshine with vocals (or was it stero Barnyard with vocals) - this may inspire me to go back and listen to everything I have Smile related yet again!

Uuuuugh you guys will be the death of me!!

Unsurpassed Masters 16 is interesting, because it's essentially the same core recordings as Disc 1 of TSS, but different mixes.  SO I have decided to add a new notion ALT MIX to denote as such. 


Unsurpassed Masters vol 16

01. Our Prayer [1:05]
Stereo mix as heard on official 20/20 album

02. Heroes and Villains  [2:55]
Mono Cantina mix as heard on Smiley Smile bonus track and TSS 2CD edition as Heroes and Villains part 1

03. Barnyard [0:54]
ALT MIX Mono mix of Barnyard with backing vocals (Disc 2 Track 4 lacks backing vocals; Disc 1 track 6 adds lead vocal sync)

04. Do You Like Worms [4:05]
ALT MIX Stereo mix with multitracked vocals on assembled backing track (no spliced-in Bicycle Rider Chorus).  Additional vocal track chatter/errors as compared to TSS Disc 1 Track 4.   

05.  The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine [1:10]
Stereo instrumental backing track, as heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 6

06.  He Gives Speeches [1:10]
ALT MIX Alternate stereo mix than heard on TSS Disc 1 Track 24

07. Wonderful  [2:06]
ALT MIX Alternate stereo mix of "Rock Me Henry" version than heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 12

08.  Child Is Father of the Man [1:45]
ALT MIX Alternate Stereo mix than TSS Disc 1 Track 11 and Disc 3 Tracks 16 & 17

09. Cabbin Essence [3:31]
Stereo mix as heard on official 20/20 album

10.  Look [2:40]
Stereo mix of take 3 as heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 15

11.  Good Vibrations  [3:39]
Mono version 1 as heard on TSS Disc 5 Track 23

12.  I Wanna Be Around/Friday Night
Stereo mix as heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 21

13. Vege-Tables [3:28]
Mono Mark Linett 1993 mix as heard on Good Vibrations box set

14. Wind Chimes [2:26]
ALT MIX  Stereo mix of 1966 backing with vocals (Disc 4 track 5) + mono tag (Disc 4 Track 6)

15. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow [2:34]
Stereo mix of Organ Waltz as heard on TSS (Disc 2 Track 30) + NOT ON TSS Stereo Mrs O'Leary's Cow take 8

16. I Love To Say Dada [2:25]
NOT ON TSS  stereo mix of Water with multitracked vocals + mono mix of I Love To Say Dada as heard on Good Vibrations box set

17. You're Welcome [1:05]
Mono mix as heard on TSS Disc 1 Track 20

18. Surf's Up  [5:20]
Stereo backing track as heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 18 + mono mix of Brian solo piano demo as heard on Good Vibrations box set.

Thanks so much for taking the time to do this - really useful for weeding out duplicates from playlists

That Wind Chimes stereo mix on UM 16 is my favorite version of the song and the closest to how Brian would have completed it for Smile (vs the BWPS and TSS arrangement).  And we have the nice mono mix version on the GV box set!

Shortly after TSS appeared someone very kindly put together a PdF identifying what was new and what essentially matched what we already had on the various boots. Can't access that today but maybe someone could provide an upload?

I must have missed that... yes if anyone has a copy of this please upload it!

This?  http://www.beachboys.fr/smile.pdf (http://www.beachboys.fr/smile.pdf)

Edit:  Whoops, not really what you're looking for, but still may be useful.

OK I am working on this.  No idea how long it'll take, this is actually really time consuming! 

I Hate to ask this but does anyone know what tracks arent on smiley smile sessions and good vibration box set but are on the Good Vibration Unsurpassed masters? Thanks

I just noticed Jason did this on a reference thread already.  Maybe an update or any corrections to what he has would be useful?  He also used Secret Smile and some other boots as sources.

Do you have a link to that reference thread?

Also, another member here  emailed me the other day to tell me  the track of Barnyard from  the 5 CD promo set for Smile Sessions is different from the released version (and the version on UM 16) in that: it has backing vocals. and, has a count in, is a few seconds longer and has better sound quality than UM16. 

 I don't follow everything Smile related here/anywhere, but is this also  in the reference thread?

Oh, I thought you meant compiling an audio version of this!  Man, and I've spent the last few days merging my Smile Sessions with Unsurpassed Masters 16 and 17, Vigotone, Archaeology and Secret Smile, then organizing them by recording date! 

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,11250.0.html

Hadn't heard of a physical 5cd set - thought it was previewed for press etc on a secure online stream, to prevent leaks?

Anyone have this?

Yeah, the preview was tightly controlled and I thought no physical sets were distributed and that it was not possible to make a digital copy of the preview.

But that is definitely one of the more obvious missing tracks from the Sessions set - Barnyard with backing vocals!

Perhaps this person thought of them as separate CDs; I don't really know, just how they described it to me! 

Was there talk at the time of release, as to why they had the track on the promos but not on the released version? 

And I wonder , if perhaps there was a time constraint as to how long these couldn't be copied or if it was forever? 

Here it is:
http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=552840
I'm talking with somebody now about getting a copy of this set. You guys will be the first to know if I do.

I still think this would be a really worthwhile endeaver if you're willing to continue with this. I remember how much of an enourmous task it was tracking down all these different bootlegs, and then spending hours trying to find duplicates and figure out recording dates (I'm still not entirely sure I've got it right!), so if you could spare new fans from going through all of this it might be worth it! I'd still be really interested in this even if it was just to compare my playlist against what you came up with.

The 'Smile session inventory' thread is really useful but it still takes some deciphering to figure out exactly which tracks are being referred to; also it's not entirely complete (the Good Vibrations section only includes stuff from the Unsurpassed Masters boots, and not TSS box or other bootlegs).

Yep I am still working on this!  And i agree about the lack of take specifics in regards to TSS, and I've found the reason for this is that the recordings REALLY jump around on TSS!  It's literally a collage of highlights from entire tracking sessions, sometimes with take call-outs preceding completely different takes!  What I plan to do is patch in the TSS sessions into the other more complete tracking sessions from Archaeology and SOT17 to make it more accurate and complete (much like what Purple Chick did for A/B road, creating a complete Get back Sessions).  But that would have to be the final step, after 1) collecting all the recordings and then 2) sorting them.  I am also splitting all takes into their own tracks. 

We'd appreciate it even more if you check the board rules, especially #3 regarding offering or asking for bootleg material.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,122.0.html

Don't do this again please.

The set was sent out to a small set of reviewers as a watermarked physical 5-CD set.  The discs are individually labeled with a unique serial number and the name of the recipient.  I'm assuming that information is also embedded in the data on the discs.  Here's the set I obtained from a third-party (name and serial number redacted); I just checked Disc 2, Track 4, and it is "Barnyard" with the backing vocals, with a count-in and long fade.

Lee

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Thos look GREAT!!!!  ( methinks, you should/ should have also post them in media with your other promo cds)

Chris, I have so many promo CDs, and I have to take pics of front cover, back cover, and disc, then resize...  It's a pain.  If you want just front covers maybe I can take them 4, 6, 8 at a time.

Lee

Hey, you're the one that wanted to do something else!
 Me, I put them on the scanner,scan/crop,scan/crop,scan/crop, for each one, save, upload each one to Tinypics, post each one to Smiley.
I never said it was EASY. It's a labor of love for your fellow Smilers.   edit: perhaps we do it for ourselves
Nobody forces me, you, anyone to do it
edit: I just did a magazine, took about 50 minutes...

Lee, besides the Barnyard with backing vocals, any other differences between the promo set and the released version?  I seem to remember a different "Do a Lot" session with chatter that was posted online as a Smile Sessions preview that I didn't hear on the released version, but I don't know if that made the promo set.

Oooh, that's a tough one, with over 5 hours of music to listen to and compare to the commercial release...  I wouldn't have even known about the "Barnyard" difference had another Smiley Board member not tipped me off to it...

Lee

BUT surely you have such an incredible grasp of the BBs and SMiLE that you'd know the instant you heard even ONE different note....

You are truly doing God's work. I've wanted to do this too but no way in hell do I have the time or reasources. My SMiLE collection is the box set, UM17 a few other lesser boots and a scrambled mess of fanmixes I've found and random clips I've downloaded off YouTube and elsewhere from before the box set when I was hungry for any pieces I could find.

Itd be so cool to see how it all fits together. How every take of every section of every song falls into the big picture chronologically and witness Brian's train of thought. Not to mention know exactly what sections/takes are missing. Please do share when this monumental task is done. And thank you in advance!