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Remember that user on here named Jess (sugarandspice) anyone?

She was here for about two months then vanished into thin internet air.

Well, she mentioned to me that she was in some third world country teaching about aids and healthy sexual practises and stuff like that. Does anyone know the name of the service (?) or organization she was a part of?

It seems like something I might like to do.

Yeah, she mentioned something like that to me a while back as something she wanted to do.

I have no idea who her affiliations are with. Ask her.

She actually did it though. Said it was a real experience.

I don't even know if she's still alive. I just want to know what 'thing' she was with that afforded her the opportunity to go and help and teach less fortunate people. I have a long life ahead of me until the corn dogs catch up; I want to do some good in it.

I think the Peace Corps are still in business.

http://www.peacecorps.gov/

I suspect that she was turned off by the whole meltdown in March, as that was about the last time we heard from her.

I can't join not being a U.S citizen.

I can't even find volunteer work!

When do you become a U.S. citizen?

I think to become one you must apply to be one. Right now I'm a resident as far as I know. I'm not sure if I want to be a citizen or not, and if they instill the draft on us I can still dodge it in my status now.  :D

p*ssy.

either way, where ya from steve?

Born in England and lived there for twelve years then moved here to New Jersey. Been here a long time now, which I hadn't realized until recently.

How about one of the international organizations?  Red Cross, UNICEF, something like that...

Do you ever actually plan on doing any of these things you mention?  You create a thread about maybe joining the army and then in a later thread become almost insulting about the notion.  You make post after post of high school-level "insightful commentary" about where you are in life and your role in the world, but, to me anyway, it comes off as more of you wanting to sound like somebody searching than somebody who really is.  I believe you may be in that depressed teenager phase where you realize the people around you are all shallow nobodies and you feel the need to prove your depth by appearing introspective.

How's that for "ageism?"

Well, I think you're wrong on that assumption.

Eh, you're probably right actually. Doesn't mean I do it on purpose though, it's completely out of my reach.

Oh, I'm just raggin on ya.

making friends again rerun?  :)

(http://thadnorvell.blogspot.com/rerun.jpg)

What's happening?

Hey now, he's one of the few people I've actually messaged on aim...I wasn't serious.

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This was a performance Rerun and I did a while back. He's on guitar and I'm playing drums. The girl singing is our friend Jane.

Watch it and delight in the glorious sounds that we made.

:lol

nevermind.

trouble uploading image.

Whatever happened to Jane?  She seemed to disappear after the performance...

Pretty good guitar but the drumming is terrible.

youre joking right?

can you even hear the girl singing? and you want to criticize the drumming?

this is jess' / sugarandspices boyfriend.  really her reason for dissapearing was that we moved and dont have the internet anymore.  but she was kinda turned off by the stuff in march anyways.  im not sure what program it was that she was with.  her aunt sent her down there.  i dont think it was specifically and aids thing, but i know she did that kinda stuff too.  when i talk to her i'll ask her.  peace

adam 

Is english a second language for you and sugar&spice?

no, english is our native language.  i dont even know any other languages...jess knows quite a few: spanish, french, and a bit of arabic, but english is her first language.

You don't seem to know much about your girlfriend there...

uhm, i've been with her for 5 years i think i know a bit...she doesnt like to talk about her experiences in kenya, so i dont really ask.

Ah, thanks a lot then.

A bad rhythm section can be very distracting.

And the girl's alright in the verses.

If you ask me, those little bastards shouldn't quit their day jobs.

But is it ageism to state a truth that one has learned by getting older?  The young won't believe us, but that doesn't make what we say - the truths we have to tell - any less true.

I remember that stage...nobody around me knew anything...and neither did i.  I was glad when *i*, at least, left it behind...
;-)

Imagine being one of those kids and going to school the next day?

I wonder if Kurt Cobain was swishing around in his jar of ashes when he saw that cover.

I'm not retarded you know. I'm 18 years old and while I know little of the world, it's not like my opinion is invalid because I'm not of an age to truly respect, realize, and respond to wisdom correctly. My head is in the clouds a little because I've been pushed into a few different styles of living and none of them have of yet made much sense. Do you attack Brian Wilson's opinions of him asking, "What's it all about?" when he sings it? By my reasoning, it's at least a decent idea to start off searching for answers and insight now before I grow too old and cynical to think properly.

Searching for answers is a laudable pastime. Of course it helps if you listen to the replies to your questions, even when they run counter to your expectations. In my experience, the vast majority of teenagers/early twenty-year-olds (myself included, when I was), exhibit an arrogance that can be positively breath-taking: they know where it's at and no old fart is going to tell them any different.

Fact of the matter is, like myself back in the day, they know precisely f***-all about life and the living thereof, not to mention exhibiting a curiously victorian attitude towards relationships beyond their age range. "EEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW, that's GROSS !!!", I was told when they learned that nnot only did I have a partner but that we enjoyed a full relationship. I guess my laughing until I cried didn't help matters any... but what else could I do ?

[lest anyone should think me tarring them all with the same brush, one of my staff is closing on 18, and she's a joy to work with - diligent,intelligent and we have the most hilarious conversations on many subjects. But she is a shining exception, although granted my store is located in an area with a very shallow gene pool. More of a puddle, in fact.]

kinda surprised that America doesn't force immigrants to become citizens...at least not yet...
not that I know of anyway...
regarding the musical performance--was it FUN ? for somebody? anybody?
THAT'S should be what matters...was it good? well, er, uh, hmm...(cough)
just an old geezer's opinion, and IT doesn't matter, either...

Two thoughts --

1) Scooter, that whole immigration thing is becoming a HUGE issue in the US especially regarding illegal immigration.

2) While it is true that age brings wisdom and we should share it, there are two types of people:  those who listen to others and don't require experience (but also are a little more hesitant in life to get things done), which would be me, and those who have to experience things to learn (but probably also boldly do things that need done in some cases).  Neither way is right or wrong, but I have learned to just blow it off when a teenager ignores counsel -- they may learn it from me or from life, but they will learn eventually.

regarding your first thought--I'm gonna leave that one alone for now...gotta watch my blood pressure...
as for #2--I don't think age AUTOMATICALLY brings wisdom, but however old a wise person might be, they should share it
and prepare to be ignored...as far as being hesitant in life to get things done, that hit so close to home the walls shook...
and OF COURSE  teenagers ignore counsel (from their wise elders) that's part of the job description for being a teenager, at
least it was when I was a teenager...

Whoa there, Finchster.  I never said you were retarded, nor did i ever intend to imply that you are.  I also don't think i said anything that invalidates your opinion, or anything else. 

I have f***ed up royally in my 44 years, many times and in many ways.  I was in my early 30s before i realized that i was actually growing up and maturing and learning wisdom.  I spent YEARS questioning, wondering...ignoring...being stupid...and, as Andrew so accurately portrays, knowing everything. 

You are being very age-appropriate in your wondering and questioning, Steve.  It's what being a late-teen and early-20-something is about.  It probably doesn't help to be told that, and this won't help much either, but This, too, will pass.

At no age do we know everything.  All we can do is the best we can do - be the best person we can be, make the best choices, try not to f*** it up too badly...and trust that the universe will take care of the rest.  I personally recommend trying to have as much fun as possible, because i see no value in going through life miserable, but i do realize that for some people, miserable IS fun.

I feel sorry for those people.

Not caring is so much easier.

YAY APATHY! ;D

People that are stupid pieces of sh*t stay that way.

It's not that for some people misery truly does become their ideal of fun. It's more that they are prone to thinking about the cruelties in life rather than just ignoring them and having fun all day. We could have fun all day long but in the end it wouldn't mean anything to us. Why did Brian Wilson write a song called "Till I Die" when he was the same person who composed "All Sumer Long" and "Fun, Fun, Fun"? Simply because he tuned into the fact that sometimes everything sucks and that that becomes the ultimate reality. I bet the boys sure were pissed off when Brian brought them 'Till I Die" because nobody likes to face up to the ultimate truth that we all have in front of us.

I feel sorry for those people who only strive to have constant fun and don't take time to examine the world with a closer eye.

I am one of those types of people who don't go out seeking fun. I have never been to an amusement park more than once, and rarely wake up with "Okay, let's find something fun to do!" on my mind. Fun is great for a while but I really do think that there is something with more substance to it than that in life.

Found a great link: http://www.soundofgrace.com/v10/n7/ecc_pt1_jgr.htm

hey man, sorry it took me so long to reply...i kept forgetting to ask.  the name of the organization is called Global Routes...i believe the url was www.globalroutes.org
jess says hi to everyone btw
peace

rOCKIN GOLODEN  BOOTS ON THE  ROAD TO THE RICHES got a poem thats  cute  called an ode to  my bitches :afro sup my  kiddies  long time no  chat  I see that I live on in infamy (yeah modest arent I?) hahaha

holla a a playa


xoxoxo
suga

Learn to speak english.  :angry

Steve, just because some of us look for as much fun as possible in life doesn't mean that we're blind to, or ignorant of, the problems in the world.  I can't speak for anyone but myself, but look - i can't solve those problems.  I can't change global sh*t.  I can only do what i can do in my own world, so that's what i do.  And maybe it's a Mary Poppins attitude, but i also believe that "work" and chores don't have to be miserable.  I LOOK for the fun because there's so much that's negative in the world, i need something to counteract it.

Different strokes for different folks, i guess...but my choice is to have as much fun as is legally and humanly possible.  Misery abounds, but that doesn't mean i have to buy into it.

for a board about smIle, u people are fodaing closed minded
seems like the ppl who were around when smile was created were just the people that brian speaks of when he talks about how people werent ready for that kind of merda, those are u ppl...still arent ready for it, doubt u'll ever get it....go on wandering on
peace and love

what does that mean? :shrug

well like d00d mickey mouse doggin my girl about how she cant type
i mean, wtf is that
grow up

It must take a lot of work for a white person to type ebonics, I mean it can't feel natural and looks like a lot of work. I bet you have to stop and think before you type each word. Your posts are obnoxious. Stop mutilating the english language.

If you dont like it you dont have to read the thread, let alone reply to it.

w0rd dawg!

I like the thread just fine.  ;D

sugarandspice is black...

Suga and her boyfriend are very, very nice people, man. Seriously.

we like the spacemen three t00 nigga!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not buying it...a black beach boys fan?  hahaha

You are one real ignorant person.

I made the same joke a while ago but instead of black person I used female person.

The biggest Beach Boys fan I have ever known is black. My friend Quincy.

Ugh.
Frequenting the same bit of cyberspace as you makes me want to take a shower.
Slimy, horrible, creepy little bastard.

I understood it perfectly.
He thinks certain people on this thread are closeminded dicks, and that - sickener of all sickeners - the spirit in which Brian Wilson set about creating music is the antithesis of the one being displayed here by the aforementioned dicks.

Black fans of 'white' music find it's a lonely bridge
Chicago Sun-Times,  Nov 21, 2005  by Richard Roeper
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20051121/ai_n15908752

Rerun isn't being ignorant or anything else. Maybe a bit too edgy for you guys..

Incase you have forgotten, Brian's goal in making SMiLE was to create a white spiritual sound. He recognized the force of "black" music arising in his time and wanted to make the white spiritual sound.

Then there was that black girlfriend Brian had in the 70's or at some point, and every other Beach Boy wanted them to break up and were embarrassed to see Brian holding her hand, etc.

Some people just try so hard to show that they are all for something that they come off as nervous little people.

Great, so you're not racist! Fantastic, join the club.

I doubt Rerun is either.

And, the spirit in which Brian Wilson set about creating music was hardly all sugar plum fairies. Listen to the potty mouth that guy has, firing curses off at everyone and everything. You guys are nuts.

(http://content.ytmnd.com/content/3/a/7/3a739bdfa22123fb9df408c859b906b9.gif)

The city I live in now is mostly white people. I looked up the race statistics online and for my neighborhood it was 99.99% white. Where I used to live in North Jersey it was a very mixed area. Hearing some of those kids in school makes me want to vomit, but it's way more spiteful and intended to insult than what Rerun wrote.

We're all getting in a twist over his harmless joke.

Steve, youre the only one whos still replying...:lol

When the rest of clan grumpy wakes up they might stop by for a visit.

How does "f*** off" sound? 'Cause that's all you're getting.

How the f*** would you know what I meant by the "the spirit in which Brian Wilson set about creating music"?

Some people just try so hard to show thet they're a misunderstood genius of a seeker that they only succeed in looking like a total wank.
How about - I think Rerun's a prize nobhead FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS? His shitty remark over the page is just one more insidious indicator of how his mind works.

:lol

why are you so angry? you need a xanax or 10.

Because he's awake. Ya'll would do well to try it yourselves.

Harmless joke? f*** on that, sh*t on it, then blow it up.

:lol

It's the end of the world.

Cabana Boy, once again like so many others have done too, has exposed my vain attempts at being a thinking person.

Some of us just ain't wahtever-dude-it's-all-good neo-hippies.
Ridiculing someone for having scruples ain't the way.

I see your point and I don't blame people for standing up for their own thoughts. There's just a part of me that wonders why we wait like sharks on message boards for the opportunity to strike.

I don't, and I don't think my man Sebastian is either. But, you know, when we see something that jibes strongly with a certain old-world vision of morality, you know, we speak out, strongly. That's all. Not in favor of censorship.

Be back in a few mins, I have to shower, the armpits smell.

I was at a concert the other day, there were only like five or six white people there besides me. But that didn't stop me from enjoying it.

I have to disagree, you guys are like hawks circling waiting for the right moment to attack. Have you not noticed the pattern? People might say something that upsets you and you come to defend your point of view and thats cool, I can dig it. But when RERUN himself says ANY little thing that rubs you the wrong way not only do you and sebastian come out to share your point of view (which is rare) but you just blatently start throwing insults (which is often) saying he's not human, that he's an animal, yadda yadda yadda. Hey, I'm all for open discussions on hot topics, and Im for people defending their points of view. But you guys take it to another level...we all get it, you dont like him. How many times do we have to go through this? If something he says really bugs you, why dont you message him privately if you feel so strongly about it? You guys LOVE to publically lynch him whenever you have the opportunity.

In this situation, for example, rerun's little joke was pretty lame...and in poor taste, Ill admit it. But its not the end of the world, it was just a lame joke. Sebastian can come on here and say that he's an idiot for making that comment and disagree with him...but instead he takes it further...and what does he get out of it? I mean, do you guys get off with bringing people down just because you disagree with them? Don't you have anything better to do?  I never said anything insulting to Sebastian, I disagreed with him and he calls me a venal cocksucker? Give me a break... Infact, same goes with you Ian...when I defended Chuck that one time, instead of saying you disagree with me you just blatently started insulting me, you even took it to another level by saying if you ever saw me you'd fight me. PLEASE!

You claim you come here to speak out strongly against his point of view...if thats the case why does it always end up into a bitter insult match? When you cant further prove your point are you left to just insult someone? Come on man...chill out.

Utter sh*t.
I've hardly been here the last 6 weeks. By the look of it, nor has Ian much.
So, bollocks to that.

Well, you're absolutely right. I did want to point that out...but I also wanted to point out that its convinient you guys make a strong apperance after a lame comment from Rerun.

Who here is an adult? Raise your hands. Who here has been acting like an adult? Huh...no hands.

Chuck, thanks for posting the link. I was just discussing this with a co-worker. I work for AT&T, and a majority of my co-workers are black, at least in my workstation. Yet, I have seen such diversity in like and dislikes; the co-worker,Jerod, I was talking to this about, was telling me how one of the other unit's techs was blasting white people and got on Jerod for having Sublime,Soundgarden,  and Linkin Park on his iPod- conviviently overlooking the fact he ALSO had Pimp C on it. Well, the other guys in my unit got up in this guy's face and told him to shut himself and cut that talk out. It ended up being all talk, but my point is I've seen that firsthand, and am proud to work with people who DON'T fit that stereotype.

Just my two cents.

My hand's up, and it ain't open.

All I said was that I had a friend who was black who was a big BB fan. Then I jumped in to defend my friend Sebastian. That's all.

My brother is a big BB fan.  He's not black, but man is he big.

I hear some people been talkin' me down,
Bring up my name, pass it 'round.
They don't mention happy times
They do their thing, I'll do mine.
Ooh baby, that's hard to change
I can't tell them how to feel.
Some get stoned, some get strange,
But sooner or later it all gets real.
Walk on, walk on,
Walk on, walk on.
I remember the good old days,
Stayed up all night gettin' crazed.
Then the money was not so good,
But we still did the best we could.
Ooh baby, that's hard to change
I can't tell them how to feel.
Some get stoned, some get strange,
But sooner or later it all gets real.
Walk on, walk on,

Woah...just got back from work and noticed all of this.  I really didn't mean it as anything offensive.  I live in Detroit, MI and have black friends and co-workers and they all think I'm corny for loving the Beach Boys.  I had a swap with one of them...they lent me Kanye, I lent them SMiLE just to get a feel for the other's tastes.  He didn't mind it, but it wasn't his cup of tea...

It was just a dumb comment, as stated, and really, honestly did not mean to offend anybody by it.  I apologize to anyone who took it that way, but let's not lose our cool.  I've been to two Brian Wilson concerts and a Beach Boys concert in Detroit and never seen an African-American.  I'm pretty sure it's not a secret that it's not their demographic.

Are we all so sensitive though that we cannot even mention race and recognize that differences in culture exist?  I'm sure there are black Beach Boys fans in existence, but I wonder what percent of the fanbase they truly make up?  Can't imagine too much...

YES  :)

Pretty interesting article...I do always wonder, as the article points out, why there is much more diverse interests in music by white people than by blacks.  It seems often times, but not always, that they are much more concentrated on hip-hop, r&b, etc. than on rock and roll and pop music.   Now I work with a guy who doesn't really care for that stuff as much and is actually big into techno music and grunge, but that does seem to be a rarity.  Conversely, I know many white people who enjoy that stuff, but also love hip-hop, r&b, etc.

Actually, I think I started a thread about this whole topic a while back, but maybe that was before a scrubdown or something.  It certainly didn't have the outrage it does now...

Quick question -- and it is serious.  Chris Tucker made the same joke as a black man in some movie when Jackie Chan put the BB on his radio station.  He said "don't change a black man's radio" as if to say, black men don't listen to the BB.  Seriously, was that racist?  If not, what is the diff from Rerun's joke?

Haha, that part is great. When he switches the station again to the hip hop track and he starts dancing 'Can you do this to the Beach Boys?'

As the other moderator I would just like to say that I would love more than anything to see Rerun permanently ostracised from this site. I think Ian and Sebastian are right to call him out for who he is and what he is.

And before Joe and Billy C claim I'm being partial and taking sides - f * c k YOU. I'm just doing what's right.

No thanks, you're not my type.

Nothing wrong with taking the right side.

I can't disagree with that.

And what was the wrong side I apparantly "took" that you had to defend against?  Or anybody on this board pertaining to this thread.

Hey, I'll admit I may have jumped the gun and assumed the comment was more serious than it was.
But reread your comment than look at your signature. Then you may understand my confusion.

I only have that as my signature as a comment on how everybody here tries to label me.  Any opinion I have, shared by millions upon millions of other mainstream thinkers has been ridiculed and twisted so as to shape me into some kind of extremist that doesn't even deserve to breathe.  Typically, I couldn't care less, but when it gets to the point that this ridiculous perception leads to me being temporarily banned or, as Jason wishes, permanantly, then yeah, I start to care some.  I've never said a mean word to anybody in this place yet I've been called every rotten name in the book.  I don't even know who the heck this Cabana Boy is (and all his aliases), but someone should take a look at his past messages to me for a sample of what real and absolute hate looks like. 

It's disgusting that Steve or Joe or Chuck ever have to comment to defend me when I haven't done anything with poor intentions or in ignorance.  This place is such a Good Ol' Boys Club sometimes.

Hmmm...I just reread my last post and it's pretty Victim...y.  Just want to rectify it a tad...I'm sure there are some things I've said that weren't too cool to people, but I don't think it's a consistent overly personal thing.

It must be pretty uncomfortable walking around with that stick up your ass.  ;)

This coming from the same guy who's going on and on about peoples' use of the English language - takes one to know one, fella.

Rerun,

don't listen to these fools. You're pretty funny and it was obvious you were joking.

Please, Jason, don't be mad. There is nothing to be mad at.  :)

Man, this thread reached perfect harmony til this dude came and f***ed everything up.

What are you thinking man?

You're one confused little man, aren't you? ;)

   :afro

I would like to mention that I do a bunch of charity work, but I don't want to make a big deal about it because that's not what it's about. I do LOTS of charity work. I wrote a check once for an organization.

I'm sorry, I realize that you are all well beyond this part of the discussion (and just slightly off of the original topic), but may I set the record straight on one point? Okay, I will anyway.


This is a completely erroneous assertion. The reason for their alarm at Brian's relationship with Carolyn Williams had absolutely nothing to do with race. Brian's friends and family were opposed to yet another one of his health care providers taking advantage of him. If anyone of them was to be totally blunt and honest, they would tell you that they initially had much the same aversion to his current wife as well.

And on a different note (sorry to be sort of back on the original topic!):
Steve, I hope you find what you seek. I think that you are a remarkable young man. There is much joy in giving. Careful though, while I believe that you're not likely to find happiness through the pursuit of pleasure, I think it's important to enjoy the journey. Keep a sense of humor and have some fun along the way!

Anyone here could dribble on for pages of everythingispointless/otherpeopleareallstupidpigsinstieswaybeneathintellectualdeepme/myweinerhurtswhatdoesthismean? type dross, but most realise it would make them look the exact opposite of how they was trying to appear. Vain and repugnant, as opposed to "deep" and special.
If I came on talking about how some girl at my school is "physically disgusting" (for instance), I'd expect to be thought of as a div forever.
But that pillock probably could use a really big cuddle, so right on.

{{{not a footstampy protest against anything, or a stroppy gesture of any kind}}}

Rerun's joke was not hateful or demeaning to any particular race.  It was a joke based on commonly perceived BB demographics.  Any perceived harm or foul, IMO, has been baggage brought in after the fact.

That was my point -- I think people jumped the gun on Rerun in this case.  Ian admitted as much.

I sent you a PM, Jeff.

Would you just fucking drop this already? You sound pathetic calling me out on here. As if you could have any proper clue  of my real self from a message board. How is anything I feel not sincere anyway? Maybe if I quit "searching" and tried insulting other people more often I could gain some respect points on this very important message board. You have read all of my posts as if they were the badly written blogs of a 14 year old girl. Half the stuff I write on here is at least in jest simply because I'm killing time in the "sandbox" while reading other threads. Everyone on this board loves to turn to personal insults to win the little squabbles that are had here.

Hmm, I was going by what I had read in "Heroes and Villains" which I guess is not the first place I should have turned to for concrete truth.

Yeah, I read that too Steve...cool to see Melinda clear that up.

As opposed to you, who just sounds pathetic all the f#cking time.
If only your posts DID read like the blogs of a 14 year old girl, they might actually have some soul and/or plausible feeling in them. In lieu of that, they just read like the idle verbal masturbation of an annoying prick.
You're not "searching". You're whining. Interminably.
Your pathetic feeble pissmoaning has been left untouched for ages. I couldn't really care less, 'til you start taking shots in my direction. Don't then be surprised if the months of vapid snivelling get used against you. Proceed to cop out and use the old "it's all a joke/i'm larking around/that's not really how I think" line in your own defense (that's bullmerda: you've invested a lot of time in your drooling tediorants here, a lot more than I've spent bitching about them), and I'll just laugh twice as hard because you can't even stand by the crap you spew.

YOU f#cking drop it. d*ckhead.

Well, that made me feel like crap.

Bollocks. You'll be back.

Takes a big man to create account, write up a bunch of sh*t and run away...

Then again, this isn't the first time. I highly doubt it'll be the last.