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Title: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: bgas on March 04, 2015, 12:54:45 PM Can't remember any! But as I was leafing thru the September 1965 Hit Parader, prior to selling it on Ebay, I noticed that Brian says he did, and he also wrote/produced a song with Darlene Love. ( Things Are Changing, perhaps? )
Title: Re: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 04, 2015, 01:09:25 PM Brian wrote "Don't Hurt My Little Sister" for Phil, but held it back when he demanded a piece of the composer credits. Brian did play piano on a session for "DHMLS" that was later used for "Things Are Changin'" but it's unlikely that Spector produced it - Jerry Riopelle says he did.
So, briefly... no. Title: Re: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 04, 2015, 01:13:15 PM Brian wrote "Don't Hurt My Little Sister" for Phil, but held it back when he demanded a piece of the composer credits. Brian did play piano on a session for "DHMLS" that was later used for "Things Are Changin'" but it's unlikely that Spector produced it - Jerry Riopelle says he did. So, briefly... no. I wonder if that was Brian being put off by that crediting request of Phil, or if Murry could have found out and put the kibosh to it. Even if it was underhanded of Phil, I somehow doubt a starry-eyed Brian would have cared much, if solely up to him, don't you agree? Title: Re: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on March 04, 2015, 02:38:10 PM Brian wrote "Don't Hurt My Little Sister" for Phil, but held it back when he demanded a piece of the composer credits. Brian did play piano on a session for "DHMLS" that was later used for "Things Are Changin'" but it's unlikely that Spector produced it - Jerry Riopelle says he did. So, briefly... no. I wonder if that was Brian being put off by that crediting request of Phil, or if Murry could have found out and put the kibosh to it. Even if it was underhanded of Phil, I somehow doubt a starry-eyed Brian would have cared much, if solely up to him, don't you agree? Maybe. I'm glad he didn't though, whatever the reason. By all accounts, Phil's an ass. Brian was more talented even if he didn't give himself the credit yet. Title: Re: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: Bicyclerider on March 04, 2015, 03:08:59 PM My understanding was Phil produced the track and Jerry produced the vocals.
Title: Re: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: joshferrell on March 05, 2015, 10:45:47 AM does anyone else get the irony of Brian giving him "Don't hurt my little sister" knowing now what we know about Phil and how he bullied people and eventually killed someone? maybe Brian was trying to tell him something way back when about his bullying tactics...
Title: Re: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: GoodVibrations33 on March 05, 2015, 11:03:24 AM From an interview from 1999
http://www.steve-escobar.com/?p=39 (http://www.steve-escobar.com/?p=39) Quote SE: OK. Here’s an obscure one, “Things Are Changing”? BW: “Things Are Changing For The Better”? SE: Yeah, it’s one that you co-wrote with Phil Spector? BW: Yeah. SE: How did you guys wind up writing a tune together? BW: He called me up and asked me to come to his hotel. And I went there and we started writing, and he said, “Play in the key of A. Play ‘Don’t Hurt My Sister’”, and he wrote a new lyric to it. SE: Really? BW: Yeah. SE: Wow. I didn’t connect those two songs. I’ll have to go back and listen to them again. BW: Yeah. Title: Re: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: Sam_BFC on March 05, 2015, 01:17:08 PM "New York's a lonely town when you're the only surfer boy around."
Paha Title: Re: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 05, 2015, 11:14:16 PM My understanding was Phil produced the track and Jerry produced the vocals. Spectropop interview with Riopelle: What can you tell us about the public service song 'Things Are Changing'? My goodness! My wife has been working for Dr Landy, who is Brian Wilson's shrink, and I've been telling her about this song that I wrote with Phillip and Brian, but I couldn't remember the title of it! Phillip originally started the song with Brian, but it was just a chorus or something, nothing to do with the lyrics. I made the track and produced one version, with Darlene, I believe. From what's been said, Brian wrote a song called 'Don't Hurt My Little Sister'. Yes, that's right. Was that version ever recorded? I don't know about that. I know it started out as a piece Brian had written and Phillip had worked on it with him. But then the government wanted this piece, so I took it and rewrote it and produced the track on it, which is very much a 'Spector' type of track. It's also been said that while Spector did produce a basic version with Brian on piano, the version used to back The Blossoms (and The Supremes, and Jay & The Americans) is a Riopelle re-recording, so if that's true, not only is it not a Spector production but Brian's not even on it anyway. Another day in paradise. ;D Title: Re: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: kwan_dk on March 06, 2015, 06:02:21 AM Jerry Riopelle was certainly capable of recording extremely convincing Wall of Sound productions.
For those interested, here's more info regarding all this from my Spector / Wall of Sound blog Jerry Riopelle & Spector https://cuecastanets.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/would-be-spectors-2-jerry-riopelle/ Brian & Spector https://cuecastanets.wordpress.com/2015/01/06/would-be-spectors-4-brian-wilson/ And a bit more on Brian & Spector; a guest post courtesy of guitarfool from this board. https://cuecastanets.wordpress.com/2015/01/11/guest-post-phil-spector-and-brian-wilson/ Title: Re: Did Brian actually produce records with Phil Spector? Post by: kwan_dk on June 06, 2016, 01:09:05 AM Bumping this old topic as I've recently spoken with a very reliable source about this. The person in question claims that he has heard a version of 'Don't Hurt my Little Sister' with Darlene Love singing lead - not 'Things are Changing' but 'Don't Hurt my Little Sister.'
As far as I've understood, the recording my source heard featured Darlene during vocal takes and you can hear Brian in the studio chatting with her between takes. Apparently, at one point he asks her 'Is that a wig?' and then what the cost is. Upon hearing her response, naming some amount, he's said to answer 'Gee!' Very innocently and in typical Brian fashion. :-D Given the source, who I won't reveal but trust - it's someone in the know - I'm pretty sure that a Spector or Riopelle-produced recording of 'Don't Hurt my Little Sister' exists with somwhat direct involvement from Brian. Whether or not the track was fully produced I don't know but I would guess so if Darlene was brought in to lay down actual lead vocals. Based on previously leaked vocal session Spector tracks where you get to sort of be a fly on the wall, I'd say the backing track would have been completed, only lacking possible strings and back-up vocals. Maybe there's a fully produced Spector version in the vaults that somehow didn't see release? Wouldn't be the first time that happened. Remember; Spector kept glorious tracks like 'This could be the Night' by the MFQ and 'Paradise' by the Ronettes in the can. Perhaps Riopelle dusted off the recording and produced new vocals for 'Things are Changing' using an existing Spector backing track? Or perhaps he just used a former track as a blueprint for his own backing track? Who knows? |