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news bits:
http://www.fullaccessmagazine.com/The%20Beach%20Boys%20-%2001012015

Whaaaaat???

I'm drunk right now but I hope this is real.

Is this a Mike Love-Beach Boys album?

Me too.  1/2 cut anyway.  Not 'Summer in Paradise Volume II' though right?  I HAVE TO ask...Can'you' really put out a NEW Beach Boys album at any point in, or near, THIS day and age and not include Brian Wilson?  And Al Jardine?  And David Marks?  [and Blondie and Ricky too?]

This is almost shocking...and it should, instead, be GREAT news.

Creedence Clearwater Revisted?  Ooooooh-boy.

This sounds very vague though. More details? Hopefully this is more of an Al Jardine-style whistlebreak instead of more bullshit. Maybe Mike could've just meant another "NASCAR salute" type album. I hope it isn't the case. Bruce said that they had dates booked through 2016 on BBB, so hopefully we could get another anniversary tour in 2017. That would be great.

I am suspicious. If at the very least Brian and Al are not involved, I don't think that they can call themselves the Beach Boys. I think that his rights only apply to the touring issue and not the recordings.
Have we heard anything from the Wilson or Jardine camps?

Holy sh*t.... even if it's just Mike and Bruce this is pretty big news!

Given that Mike's book has been reported everywhere else as a 2016 publication - which would make complete sense, given the title - yet here is reported to be due the following year, I'm thinking someone misheard or misunderstood. We'll see.

It's pretty known here that I am a supporter of the M&B touring band, and that they're just as good (in a different way) as Brian's band. That said...

releasing an album under the Beach Boys name with this configuration is going to be a major mistake, especially if there are re-recordings of old songs as the article states. I can get down with a live album, but a studio album? Uh uh. Not saying that it won't sound good...it might. But, really? At least SIP had Carl and Al. If Mike releases it under his own name, or as 'Mike Love and Bruce Johnston of the Beach Boys', I'm okay with that too. This? Not so much. I feel bad, because I do have the upmost respect for the current configuration, but I can't get down with this at all.

That was my understanding too.

Yeah... and given that Mike is usually a lot more restrained in his interviews, I doubt he'd be the one to blow the news. Maybe he's talking about his solo album with some Beach Boys tracks (Everyone's In Love With You, Cool Head, Pisces Brother, etc.).

Hope so.  I'd be interested in that.

To be clear...I have no qualms that the album would sound good. Just...I have an issue with calling it a Beach Boys album without Brian and Al, just the same as I would have a problem if it was Brian and Al without Mike. If Carl was still alive and involved, I might feel different.

"New renditions of older songs"

What does this mean; new renditions of other artists songs (covers) or new renditions of older Beach Boys songs?

Either way, I don't really care to hear these.

Also, I hope Brian and Al are included on the tracks, otherwise FGI.

Those last two titles are not BB tracks. Solo. Always have been.

So far away that we don't need to speculate. Let more news seep out over the next 24 months, then meet back here to pick it apart! :)

Wouldn't be the Beach Boys if they didn't (possibly) end things on a totally bizarre and unfitting note, right?

I'm really thinking/hoping some sort of wires got crossed on this one, but we'll see.

Edit: plz put a question mark at the end of the title. Plz. This is gonna get so many folks' hopes up and then CRRRUSH THEM.

 :o

This seems a bit vague. Who would be involved? Why would it take 2 years? Why is it mentioned so casually in an obscure article? I wouldn't make too much of this quite yet.

It's gonna be a collection of Dennis Wilson cover songs only, with lead vocals by John Stamos. Looking forward to the power-ballad version of Make It Good.

Ah, right. "Tracks Mike has performed with the Beach Boys" was what I was thinking.

This album is going to be SIP part two. :(

SIP, revisited with an orchestra. Finally Mike's vision will have its full realization. And we shall all be taken on a luuuuurve vacation.

This.

Unless the next issue of ESQ contains several pages of confirmation with interviews on the subject with Brian, Al, Dave and Blondie and those Mike and Bruce chaps, I ain't swallowing it.

This description of course seems to be more in line with what Mike wanted the 2012 album to be.

I never understood what's supposed to be the appeal of a group re-recording their own material. Just pointless.

Ahem :

"....the biggest sing-a-long at their shows is “Kokomo” ?
 "...his long standing friendship with George Harrison" ?
"... two of the original members, Mike Love and Bruce Johnston" ?

Not sure about the overall tone of this article...

The article is vague enough. However, an album with old songs was seemingly the original plan for the 2013 album. Not old BB songs, but songs by other artists. During that period Brian mentioned the idea to record Honeycomb.

The only problem with including Brian at this point would be Joe, I think. Those two are heavily involved these days, and it doesn't seem like Mike wants to work with Joe again.

No Brian = Not interested

All we need now (in my opinion) is a decent live album from the BB Touring Band. That's the one missing piece of the puzzle.

It should stay missing. Behind the couch, say.

So what label is this supposed to be on? El Madeup-O-Records?

So why isn't a certain pedant pedantically insisting they can only tour as "The Beach Boys" under the licensing agreement but not release records, then? How curious! Surely he would set Mike Love straight on this fantasy, right?

I wouldn't mind a 15BO-like album with Brian at the helm. To me, cover songs at this point only make sense if there's something remotely quirky about them. I really enjoyed I'm Into Something Good off the TLOS sessions.

Nothing suggests anything but the remaining group and isn't that the original plan for the C50 album.

I may need more coffee, but this reads like pie in the sky interview blowharding... the talk of collaborations just sounds like he's jealous of No Pier Pressure and thinks he can do the same. With no label mentioned and all the licensing issues involved, this is going on that huge pile of unreleased and/or unrecorded Mike Love solo albums. If it were true, is this the venue it would be announced in?

Still, at least you guys can now claim Brian blocked a new Beach Boys album whenever someone points a finger at Mike Love for C50 dissolving. Even if we never get a pristine, definitive "Duke of Earl" in 2017. Oh the humanity!

On Summer In Paradise Mike Love sang lead...or shared lead on 9 of the 12 songs.  N I N E of 'em.  Carl had 1 lead vocal all to himself.  Carl Wilson?  ONE?  Pulease!!!  Al and Bruce split one.  And some TV guy was allowed to come in and take a GEM and re-do it!!! :o!!!

We bore witness to the murder of Surfin', the buriel of Forever, and various degrees of mismanagement and scorn heaped on songs like Hot Fun In The Summertime, Under the Boardwalk, and [although I liked it...I know others didn't] Remember (Walking in the Sand).  

We want more of that?  Does anybody here rank that album as even their 2nd favourite all time Beach Boys album?  3rd?  4th?  10th?   LAST???

I definitely DO NOT want to EVER hear another Beach Boys song...new or formerly released...sung by someone who wasn't a member of the REAL group...  By that I mean the RECORDING GROUP...pre John Stamos.  Not for ANY reason.  It takes the name The Beach Boys and it pisses on it.

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Oh...and I've got my industrial strength umbrella handy for the reign of terror about to descend down upon me...I really didn't [and don't] like Jack Rieley 's voice on A Day in the Life of a Tree either.  I know.  I know.  It was Brian's 'call'.  Even a smart squirrel loses a nut every now and then.  ;)  [and Jack more than made up for it with other positive contributions]

It would damage the brand and nobody is going to claim it would make Brian/Al/Carl's estate a "big fat check" either.

I hope Mike Love has the balls to do it under his own name and release it, tho! We'd have a lot of fun talking about it. There wouldn't be any major label interest. Maybe he can do CDRs to sell at his shows. Put it on a USB stick for Club Kokomo!

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Love how the idiot says California Dreamin'.... Like that was one of there hits.
Footage of Dennis...?
Lets stop with video of Carl. Getting a bit creepy.

If I had either a crystal ball, or a wish list, I'd love something else like MIC and you can't get much better than that. Stuff from the vaults and some new stuff. Solo Brian on Surf's Up, the 1972-ish live Rhonda with Dennis on lead, Wild Honey with a Blondie lead, alongside the studio versions, Our Car Club, Sound of Free, SIP (live) Don't Go Near the Water (instrumental) radio spots, etc. A masterwork.

One thing I've learned as a BB fan...never say "never." We've seen SMiLE, C50, so nothing surprises me.

What I'd like to see are a few of Brian's solos, such as Love and Mercy, Lay Down Burden, done by the BB's as well as a few of Mike's such as Cool Head, Warm Heart, Pisces Brothers done with Brian's vocals included, and maybe one or two from Al's Postcard, and stuff  Dave and Bruce has written, and showcase some of the solo work of all of them with BB vocals. This is career reflective and inclusive.  

And for Brian and Mike to "get in the room" and get back to work.  Period. They don't need a chaperone.  They are the Lerner and Loewe, the Sherman Brothers, Menken and Ashman teams of the American rock era.  Tried and true, proven track record and the bike that knows how to be ridden.

JMHO of course  ;)

"California Dreaming"? Really? Maybe he meant "Dreaming Of Some California Girls"?

Wouldn't the easiest thing be to post the article on Brian's and Al's facebook pages respectively and then just wait what will happen? I guess at least Brian's people would soon deny if it isn't true

You can anticipate the Professor's comment likely: the bits of BW's album that have been heard are inspiring, wonderful BB-style music, and I will enjoy that album, cherishing the parts that Al and Dave play (if indeed they do). Though vague, what Mike proposes sounds much less inspiring.

All in all, anything called BB without all 5 BB (playing and singing preferably) fails to meet the epic standard of historical urgency.

"The Beach Boys": I have seen and heard them, and so have you. Why is it so hard to be together.

A collective deep breath may be in order here.  :)

As mentioned already, and multiple times on this board in the past, there are specific conditions in place regarding using the name "Beach Boys" on a new release. If the wording of this article regarding such a new Beach Boys release in 2017 or anytime in the near future would actually happen, it would not agree with those terms and therefore would not be allowed under those terms of the various contracts and agreements regarding what can be released as a "Beach Boys" album. It's as simple as that, and as best as I know is part of the same naming agreements that control the use of the name for live shows. No one can record an album and release it as The Beach Boys without following those agreements, and I believe that also includes who is participating on that album.

And anything like this needs approval from the board members. Right?

So it could very well be a Mike Love solo album, or anything similar, and that would be perfectly fine. But it cannot be called a new Beach Boys project any more than Al or Brian or anyone else related to the band could label their album a Beach Boys album.

Personal opinion after all of that factual stuff (which corrections are welcome as always), if anyone were to release or try to release something as a Beach Boys album without those other conditions in place and without those other members involved and on board with the process, it would be a PR disaster that could alienate more fans than it would appeal to.

Maybe this is that Rock n roll album Brian has been wanting to do for awhile but instead of Brian doing it he gave Mike permission to do it.,, :lol

Does anyone have access to legal documents that state that any Beach Boys album must include Brian Wilson and/or Al Jardine? I've read it here, but never saw a citation of an actual legal document. The tour agreement is a separate issue, and at one time, even Al could have used a Beach Boys related name if he had paid the license fee. Perhaps the touring Beach Boys can release an album if there is label interest or if they're willing to finance it themselves. Or if not called "The Beach Boys," they can come up with some wording that mentions the beach and work around it. It sounds like a trial balloon. Maybe Mike is throwing down a challenge to Brian and company and waiting to see what the reaction would be.

Yeah, maybe they can use "Beach Boys Family and Friends," right?

Pretty lame trial balloon. What challenge? BW has an album deal with Capitol, Mike Love has hot air in a tiny media outlet I've never heard of. I would imagine the reaction would be along the lines of "bwhahahahha."  

Altho I definitely agree that Mike should definitely put out a solo album and show Brian how it's done! It's not too late to balance the historical scales and become his equal... We all know what a genius Mr. Love is at arranging vocals. Or he can wrap turds like Pisces Brothers around some lame synthy covers of Brian's music I guess. Maybe do a rewrite of Surf's Up and make it accessible and commercial, blow us all away!

Unleash the Love!

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 :lol  Unleash the love indeed. :smash

Like I said in a different thread...Mike needs to hire a PR guy/firm/expert in a  big effin' HURRY. :o

If ML wants to release a solo album go for it, but this effort will never be viewed as a Beach Boys album. It's more like a Celebration album - covers of old BB songs, some ML originals, guest musicians et c.

- Why call it a BB album? If this is the case, we don't know that yet.
- Why will it take 2 years to complete it?
- Why rerecord old songs? ML has rerecorded BB songs on several occasions before (with Adrian Baker and Dean Torrence for example). What's the satisfaction?
- Is this an attempt to make TWGMTR the second-to-last album and not the very last? Summer's gone will not be the last BB song anymore, but Pisces Brothers or something.

If they do an album with Chicago,they can call themselves Beachago.

The license voted to Mike by BRI to tour as The Beach Boys is precisely that - a license to tour. He can't record as The Beach Boys, any more than Brian or Alan can.

He can himself The Beech Buoys.

Actually, he doesn't, and hasn't since 2008. His last two albums were released by Disney and while NPP is indeed on Capitol, it was originally the 2nd Beach Boys album as per the 2012 contract.

I thought the 2nd album was the 50th concert CD.  That is interesting to know that Brian is fulfilling the Beach Boys contract.

I would think having an album deal with Capitol for No Pier Pressure would count as having an album deal with Capitol. You were wrong about the Love and Mercy soundtrack so I think I'll need some more citations. You can feel free to argue semantics on that one if it'll help distract from Mr. Love's recent delusions of grandeur. Looking forward to hearing more about it!

What Love & Mercy soundtrack ? Have you seen one ? Has Capitol officially announced it yet ? Have I missed something ? What's the track listing ?

The contract was for two studio albums... and technically, the (appalling) live set would be two albums by itself.

So are you saying that its the original contract with 50 Big Ones, BW/JT/ML and Mike Love will thus make money on No Pier Pressure and get royalties as well? Or maybe perhaps they drew up a new contract and the old deal is not in effect? Or is it some desperate distraction from the fact that Capitol wants to release an album by a Wilson not a Love, so somehow its not a real album deal? Just trying to figure out exactly what your point is.

Did your book club buddy Mike mention Capitol refusing him an album deal? I mean logically he'd go to them first with his new scheme and obviously they passed since it wasn't mentioned. You seem pretty out of the loop on Wilson stuff but your Love/Johnston credentials are impeccable. Do tell!

Now back to fantasizing about a ML solo album... Summer in Paradise 2 is THIS CLOSE. A tantalizing if terrifying thought.

Actually he is not. No Pier Pressure was done under a completely new contract with Capitol Records. It has zero to do with The Beach Boys.

First, I've never ever heard of an artist announcing a new album two whole years before it's release. Especially if it's going to be a covers or remakes album, it shouldn't have to take that long.

Second, Mike Love is in his mid 70s. That's not exactly an age at which you should just wait a few years with doing anything you want to do.

That's very interesting. Can you shed any more light on the circumstances around it? For example, was the NPP solo album some sort of replacement for an obviously not-gonna-happen second Beach Boys album, but (I assume) negotiated with less favorable terms to account for the solo-versus-Beach Boys name? Or for that matter, even how that would have come up in conversation that you came to know it? ("Hey, Ray, looks like the Beach Boys contract was voided because we can't deliver a second album as a group, but I'm working on a new contract anyway. Pass the ketchup.")

If you can't say anything further, that's fine as well. Your previous clarification was appreciated.

Chinese Democracy?

That's an album that took a long time to get released, but I don't recall they ever actually announced that it would take them at least two more years.

Nah, Chinese Democracy was made by a band whose only remaining original member was a frontman, as well as a keyboard player that had joined up slightly later, while still being on several of their most iconic songs, but otherwise supplemented by a number of musicians who, talented as they may be, had no connection with the lineup that made the band famous.

Okay, even without the fact that Ray has debunked this, doesn't the fact that Capitol was accepting a Brian Wilson album in place of a Beach Boys album enough to say that, yeah, it basically IS Brian's deal. I mean, let's not kid ourselves, I don't think there's a soul at Capitol/Universal/whoever that would accept a Mike Love solo album or David Marks' The Circle Continues in place of a new Beach Boys album. So if anything, saying it's not Brian's deal sounds like nothing but sour grapes to me.

Not to derail the thread (further, after this), but while no firm date was announced, I think Axl made pretty clear on a few occasions that it was coming, but not anytime soon. So it's similar--though not identical--in that way.

With respect to wantsomecorn's response, I don't know that the lineup of the band is relevant. If there were a new Beach Boys album to be released in 2017, for example, would it affect the two-years-early announcement whether it was the current touring band versus the TWGMTR lineup versus some Mike-Blondie-Ricky bizarro world lineup? I don't think so. The point is, an artist or band saying, "in two years, we're releasing an album."

Sorry for that little detour, everyone. I mean, not especially sorry, as it didn't really cause any harm (unless you got dizzy scrolling past, fell, hit your head, and died, in which case I shouldn't have to apologize to you anyway because, well, you're dead). But, you know...

We're taking a line in "Full Access" magazine out of Florida at face value, that's OK for discussion purposes but at what point does the notion that a lone member of the Beach Boys - whether Mike, Al, or Brian - would consider releasing his own project as "The Beach Boys" become as ridiculous in theory as it is in actual chances of this happening? Do we chalk this up to a misstatement by that Full Access reporter who wrote the story? I almost think it has to be, because quite frankly who among the fans on this board would accept a "Beach Boys" official album release with only one member on board, no matter who that member is?

If it's a legal balloon being floated, I'd suggest they find a balloon that isn't pockmarked with dozens of gaping holes before they even try to pump helium into it to launch.

There are some legal and financial issues to prevent this kind of thing from happening which I'm sure would kick in immediately if a band member officially announces such a project (which is why I can't see it happening in reality), but beyond that there has to be a difference between a hypothetical and a reality which is nothing more than a fool's errand from the beginning.

Would Capitol, who as of the present day releases everything "official" under the Beach Boys name allow an individual band member to break off on his own and release a Beach Boys album on an independent or self-financed label when Capitol controls the releases of the bulk of the band's catalog including those "classics" which may be re-recorded? I doubt it. Would the voting members of BRI agree across the board to allow a band member to release his own Beach Boys album of new recordings without approval? Definitely doubt it. Would Capitol at this point release a new Beach Boys album with only one band member while the others would still be active yet not involved at all on the new album? Again, I doubt it.

And beyond those issues, consider how likely it would be for either Ringo or Paul to decide to release a new Beatles album. Beyond the impossibility of even considering that, if a news release were to mention that, it would be laughed off the face of the Earth, basically, by most Beatles fans and beyond that would damage the reputation almost beyond repair of whichever "Beatle" made the announcement. Again, hypothetically since such a thing would never come from Ringo or Paul because they know the deal with the name and how fans think of that name.

With legalities of doing such a thing with the Beach Boys name and official releases of new albums, I'd suggest looking up the details on the case "Love v. Sanctuary Records Group", which ended up getting dismissed first by the district court where it was filed, and then by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in California whose decision is available to read online, as is the original filing of the suit.

The case centered around a free CD mailer that was included with copies of the Sunday Mail, primarily in the UK and Ireland, which was called "Good Vibrations - Ten Surfin' Classics by The Beach Boys' Brian Wilson" and which featured recordings and video of Brian Wilson and his band performing the songs. Once again, the entire case and the appeals were dismissed and thrown out of court - appeals which lasted at least up to 2010 for a variety of reasons, but consider that the original filing of the suit was based on claims of the damage such a release did for ticket sales and reputation/image of the Beach Boys brand in the US and their current touring group as of 2004. And the case centered around trying to suggest a CD with "Good Vibrations" in the title and on the disc distributed only in Europe had a detrimental effect on ticket sales for Beach Boys shows in the US, had a detrimental effect on the band's name and the image connected to that brand name, and had caused confusion among at least one fan who bought the disc on the secondary market on Ebay expecting an "official" Beach Boys release. (that last point was humorously thrown out of court entirely when it was discovered the "buyer" on Ebay was a close associate of one of the lawyers filing the lawsuit seeking the damages. But anyway...that's one of a few interesting points to get mentioned in the published dismissals of the various claims in that lawsuit and the appeals by the 9th Circuit.)

All of that over a CD that wasn't even labeled as a "Beach Boys" release...do we think the band member who filed that suit and basically got the filing ripped apart by both the district and the 9th Circuit courts as they dismissed it would try to release a new Beach Boys album in the US or in Europe in light of everything that has happened in the past? And the free disc in question wasn't even marketed or offered as a Beach Boys release. If such a release were put out, taking Capitol out of it for the moment even though they may be one of the bigger factors involved, the same claims used against that UK free disc could be turned around and used against an album actually marketed as a "Beach Boys" product, and in this case it would not get caught up in UK-versus-US laws but instead could hinge on someone using a copyrighted name to sell something which they are not allowed to sell under that specific name without specific agreements and conditions.

Just food for thought.

And just as a PS...in that 9th Circuit opinion published online, there is this line which should clear up if necessary any of the lingering questions regarding this point from previous board debates and discussions (in bold):

IV

The district court correctly dismissed Love's Lanham Act claims. Under the circumstances presented here, we conclude that the Lanham Act cannot be applied extraterritorially to encompass acts committed in Great Britain.

As we have noted, Love has the limited exclusive right to use The Beach Boys trademark in live performances. Love has alleged that the use of the mark “The Beach Boys” on and to promote Good Vibrations, in conjunction with the inclusion of video recordings of live performances on the disc, infringed upon and diluted his interests in the trademark, and competed with his live band unfairly. Sanctuary argues that because the creation, promotion, and distribution of Good Vibrations all occurred in Europe, the Lanham Act does not apply in this case. We agree with Sanctuary.

'Masterpiece' anyone?!

I vote "Masterpiece." Or "Blossom World" to go with his book. Maybe it'll pull in fans of "Blossom" by accident!

This is just the kind of 'Mike Fires Brian' story that gets headlines on music related sites nowadays. If so, expect some clarification from Mike pronto.

Thank you, thank you. You're too kind.

Oh wait, you probably meant ... ah, never mind.

This is so unbelievably embarrassing a straw-grab, it's almost impossible to believe that a lawyer did that. But I guess it happened. Just so blatantly false and unethical to do in an actual legal case like this. Am I to think that it's impossible that this idea (of having a fake ebay user create a smoke-and-mirrors story like this) that Mike would have known that his legal team was doing this? I'm waiting for a few posters to suggest that there's no way on Earth that Mike would have had his legal team concoct such a ruse.

While I'd *like* to think that Mike would have been blissfully unaware, I'd find it reaching to think that lawyers would just decide to do this scheme on their own, unbeknownst to their deep-pocketed, powerful client. Logic would make me think Mike knew in some capacity. Thoughts?

Michael Whoah! The Boat Ashore

I'm gonna guess, just guess, that maybe it's gonna be a new Mike solo album, featuring Bruce, David, and the current "BB" backing band. And perhaps that got misconstrued as a "BB" album, even though it would be all the same people in the touring group. I dunno.

With absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of Mike's intentions on this or anything else, ever, I would say that in my experience*, attorneys are pretty resourceful in seeking and finding ways to succeed ... especially with respect to deep-pocketed clients (and thus bigger paydays).


*Just under 20 years in a legal industry, with lawyers, of which I am not one.

The fact that Mike lost that lawsuit over a disc that was labeled as "the Beach Boys' Brian Wilson" would mean he's allowed to release an album under "the Beach Boys' Mike Love," so he would be permitted to mention that association in some way.  That Daily Mail Brian Wilson CD also included photos of the original Beach Boys on the cover, including Mike.  So, presumably Mike is legally allowed to include photos of the original Beach Boys on any CD cover, including pictures of Brian. Even without Brian being on the recording or Brian's permission. 

I hope he also releases that CD as a cheap freebie like the BW disc, because good luck selling more than a few hundred otherwise.

It's going to be great hearing about all his grand plans over the next two years. What a challenge to Brian, huh?

This thread has made me go back and read the 'explosive' Goldmine interview.  Had to laugh when Mike says he hated Brian's '88 solo album as the lyrics were poor and the arrangements 'not commercial enough'.  Mike showed him with SIP. Not!  Or when talking about the writing credits on the surf songs, "it's well known Brian didn't surf".  But Mike did?!

I seriously doubt there will ever, ever be another Beach Boys album without Brian's involvement.  For all of the problems Brian has had over the years, including the lean times, he still gets things done in the studio.  Bruce has been mentioning "Going Private" since the 90s at least and we're still waiting.  Mike and Al have both released one solo album apiece.

The other thing is that people (including Mike) mention all the hits Brian and Mike wrote together and say get them back in the 'room' together.  They tried to recreate the magic together in the late 70s and it didn't work.  It wouldn't work now.  They are not 20 year old guys anymore and this is not the early/mid 60s.  Brian is continuing to do what a distinguished composer should be doing and that is moving forward, trying new things and hopefully enjoying himself in the process.

For the record, I also like Mike Love and want his touring group to come back to the UK!

Thanks for the clarification Ray!

Considering this album is 2 to 3 years away at the very least, why is everyone immediately jumping the gun and assuming that Al and Brian won't be involved in some capacity?

As hardcore fans of these guys, we should all be aware that no one gave TWGMTR any chance of happening and , more importantly, relationships between these individual men are not nearly as frosty as the media reports (and perhaps secretly hopes) they are.

Jurisdictional issues aside, in the highly unlikely event of a court case your scenario would be decided on its merits.

My guess is that if (and that's a big if) an album was to be released as The Beach Boys sans involvement from Brian and Alan then it would be all signed off in advance.

I take one day off from reading this board, one day, and then this news drops. I know I don't post hardly ever, I'm a lurker, but if there really is a new Beach Boys album planned, and it's a legit release (not cover songs or re-recordings of old songs), I'm going to go run a lap around my block screaming to the world that there's a new Beach Boys album coming. Strangers will receive hugs and high-fives. I mean, this has to be too good to be true, right? Right??

 :ahh

Mike's losing that lawsuit had more elements to it than the name, and the fact that the name was not specifically "The Beach Boys" was one of the points I raised to consider in comparison to the announcement of a new Beach Boys album, if it were actually to be sold as that. There are many more issues involved in those decisions, more than would warrant listing them here, but I'd suggest anyone interested should search for both the 9th Circuit Court's decision (written opinion) on denying the appeal as well as the original filing of the lawsuit with the district court, which got thrown out.

Search under "Love v. Sanctuary Records Group".

Addressing the reply above, it would be absolutely fine - I'd think - for most fans and the law/agreement covering this stuff to use "The Beach Boys' Mike Love" on a billing, no issues at all in fact it's been said in this thread. But the reason why this discussion keeps growing was the announcement that The Beach Boys would be coming out with a new album in 2017.

I think anyone who wouldn't see how much of a minefield that would be walking into by having something like that reported in an article just doesn't understand the fan base. *Especially* where rerecorded versions of the classic recordings are mentioned in the same sentence. Let's put the cards on the table, there is a difference in so many ways between labeling something a Beach Boys album versus labeling it in some way with the clarification like "The Beach Boys' Mike Love" or "The Beach Boys' Brian Wilson".

With one you're selling it as a band project, with another you're selling it as coming from a musician who was or is a member of the band but absolutely *not* the full band. That seems pretty common-sense simple to me.

Re: The photos...that is explained again in the 9th Circuit opinion, along with the other points. But the crux of that related to your reply above was mentioned as the people who assembled that free disc being advised not to use or to get permission to use any photos featuring other band members before approving the final design of the cover. Advice which, apparently, those folks did not take and instead ran the Beach Boys photos on the cover. However, the court(s) found this to be a non-issue in the case and threw out those claims specific to the photo because the package itself was manufactured, designed, and distributed only in the UK and Europe...while Mike's claim against using the photos was centered on the damages it caused to his ticket sales and the brand's image in the USA. And the specific laws cited in the suit were not applicable to those in the UK where the disc was manufactured and distributed.

I specifically mentioned the Ebay point because that was one of the basis points for trying to show the disc had a negative effect on the US market,. But since only a handful of copies ever made it to the US and not to the general public anyway, since it was only offered with the paper in Europe while the few hundred sold in the US had no disc included, and since the only buyer from Ebay who claimed to have been confused by the packaging turned out to be associated with one of the lawyers involved, it was thrown out.

That does not suggest Mike or Al or Brian could design an album release especially a wide, general commercial release from the USA outward under their own name and use the others' image or BB's band logo marketing materials without permission or other means of agreement. In the case of the Daily Mail disc, the case had more facets to it, and one of them was it was taken to court as more of a promotional or advertising item rather than a general label release, and the country of origin did also play a part since the laws of copyright and usage were different from those in the US which the case was attempting to cite.

I have one of the above-mentioned "Mail On Sunday Good Vibrations" cd's. Checked on ebay to see if it was a collector's item. Alas, no...only worth pennies  :-[

Maybe Mike just wants a shot at doing what Brian did in 2002.

"Classics Selected by Mike Love." He picks 19 songs, and then he and his band record (or rerecord) a track as the 20th track, and release it under the Beach Boys label. "Our Life, Our Love, Our Land" gets a release! :) ;)

That could maybe cover the bases of what the story suggests, and still allow it to be a Beach Boys product?

Or maybe not.

This really has been enlightening... ... ...and fun[ny].  GREAT reading too.  There is one question though which really hasn't been addressed and, as such, it certainly hasn't been answered...at least not until now.

I noticed that there is a time-frame suggested...2 years???ish.  Is the delay in the recording and releasing of Summer in Pair of Dice II the result of someone's nose still being on the critical list?  And for how much longer will this be the case?

NPP is not a replacement for any BB product ; there were two albums delivered under The Beach Boys Agreement ; That's Why God Made the Radio and the live record. That fulfilled the agreement. As for how I came to know about it ; Brian called me after he got the deal ; he was happy about it. As for terms , I would never ask him , but he said he was really happy with it so that is all I needed to know.

2017 ... 50th anniversary of "Smiley Smile" and "Wild Honey." Mike and band could do "Mike and Bruce Reimagine Wild Smiley." :)

...

I think I'd have all sorts of fun with that, actually.

From reading over the filing and the opinions, some of the foundation for bringing the case to court was the damage it did or could have done in the US market both to Beach Boys ticket sales at the time (which the suit tried to suggest had been lower in the US due to this disc) and to the brand/name image, yet it was shown by the manufacturing and shipping numbers that only 425 copies of the Mail On Sunday publication were ever shipped to the US for sale, and none of those 425 issues sent to the US came with the CD. The CD giveaway with the issue was limited to Europe, and even then primarily the UK and Ireland. And in the opinions, it is cited several times that the laws which would have covered it in the US market didn't apply anyway to the UK's legal system which covered this release. And beyond that, there were points thrown out because of the difference in California law versus other states, and how certain claims were filed. Which suggests a CD which was neither designed for nor actually shipped to the USA for sale or distribution could not have damaged something specific to the US market or influenced American fans buying tickets or Beach Boys albums.

It was a mess, an unnecessary mess seemingly from the beginning. That CD did cost a lot of money in legal fees and court costs, despite the low collector value...

As always, thanks.

you're welcome

OH, to be such a friend that Brian calls to talk! What a lovely thing

It may be that the BB contract included a clause that gave the label the option for another Beach Boys studio disc, or a BW solo record, with terms for either one to be negotiated later in a followup deal. So that would mean the original contract was fulfilled, but Brian was still obligated to give the label a chance to release his next record. These things are complicated, and there can be multiple ways to interpret them.

On the other hand, Capitol could have just been pleased with the performance of TWGMTR and decided to sign Brian on his own once it was clear the BBs weren't going to follow it up. That's equally as plausible given the short-term nature of the record biz these days ...

Presenting Mike Love's new rendition of Our Prayer -- now with more accessible lyrics.

"SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURF ON THE BEEEEEEEACH
BUUUUSHY BLONDE HAIRDOOOOO-OOOOOO..."

Dear Ray, are you in any position to comment on the likelihood that this idea, as Mike has set it out there, could turn into a real BB album, with all 5 together again?  If you happen to know or suspect strongly that such a thing will not happen, I would like to be put out of my misery and stop hoping.  If you are in no position to comment or to opine, than I understand, but this thread is desperate for clarity (beyond my naive hope and the cynical dismissal of other voices). Legal tussles would be set aside if they simply did a new BB album like Radio, with a new Capital contract and with a willing and loving spirit of unity. Thank you Ray,

The Professor
PS: this is not a PM; I am posting it for all to hear but address Ray for obvious reasons.

come on guys it's obviously going to be Stars and Stripes vol2  :lol

Sounds like more of a Nascar deal.

http://www.amazon.com/Bruce-Johnston-David-Salute-Nascar/dp/B000BUVKG2

Has David signed up?

More the fact its rerecording of old BB songs if that is the case. Who really needs them?

I'm dubious. I get all my non-official Beach Boys announcements from another source. Until Al Jardine spills the beans its a non-starter! :lol

+1.That's exactly what I'm holding out for :lol

I'm no expert when it comes to legal issues, but there's probably a difference between what you can get away with on a UK only freebie, and a commercial worldwide release.

First thing I thought when I saw this topic was "Mike is finally going to do that followup to SIP he mentioned back in 1993, 'Masterpiece'."

The follow-up to SIP was going to be called Masterpiece?! Seriously, WTF... :lol

I still don't see where it means just M & B making an album.

 If you were going to have a C55 album and tour now would be when you were planning it wouldn't it?

Full Access Magazine and posted by ESQ, "...Following their tour state-side and a tour overseas in 2015, fans can expect The Beach Boys to put forth a new album in 2017."

Plain language looks to me that there will be an album in 2017 by The Beach Boys.  I'm not seeing anything vague or unclear (as long as the source is credible, and ESQ seems to be that) and it surely appears to be  an announcement.  

Sounds good to me!  ;)

The implication being therefore that here will also be a full line-up tour before the album's release.

Planet Beach Boy is surely in alignment with Jupiter, Hersheys and Skaro right now…

The "implication" is beyond the statement.  The statement is clear (as long as it is credible) but a studio offering doesn't necessarily mean a contemporaneous tour (although we'd surely love it!)  :lol

In any case this is terrible journalism. The writer has either misunderstood what was said, or she has been handed a massive scoop to which she has failed to make the necessary follow-up questions, and has hidden it away in the middle of article.

Has it been officially rebutted?

Agreed. There's also the possibility that there were follow up questions, but Mike had nothing to add...Perhaps Kittykat is right and this is some "challenge", a last ditch effort for Mike to get the real talent back in The Beach Boys (if this is the case then no doubt information about the project would be scarce or non-existent).

Brian is always talking about recording a rock-n-roll record, right? One with covers and originals? Maybe Mike is trying to woo Brian back by subtly saying "Hey, we're up for recording Pleasure Island...you interested, Brian?"

Not as far as I know but my point is that even if the information is true it has been carelessly conveyed.

The new album will be recorded and released after the movie, new BW album and new BW tour are over?   Seems strange that men in their 70's will wait 2 years to record and release an album.

Well, I'm not "shooting the messenger." 

ESQ tends to have cred.  ;)

SIP II...yeah baby!!!!!!!

ESQ's credibility doesn't come into it. David Beard makes no comment on the story's accuracy, he has simply passed it onto us for what it is worth. Well done to him for spotting the crucial nugget of information that the original writer so carelessly tossed away.

Time will tell.  ;)

The greatest thing about this thread is that AGD once again proved that he is the Cliff Claven of the board...constantly prattling on with inaccurate info.

:lol

M&B can only use the BBs name for touring. This is just Mike talking out of his ass again and saying something really stupid. You are a sick man for wanting SIP part two. :o

Are you sure?

AGD has the answer http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,19513.msg491447.html#msg491447

No, that isn't the answer.

We know (generally) the parameters of the Touring Band. Andrew has provided that info. That is credible.

The issue is the announcement of a 2017 album.

The new album will be called Take One Last Sip.

Don't be so obtuse

That's exactly what it is, the differences were spelled out technically but basically came down to what you said here. Funny thing is that it takes me roughly 4,000 words or so to cover the reasons while your post does the same in one sentence!  ;D  I need to work on that in 2015... ;)

Just to clarify all of that info I wrote earlier, I was looking for any recent examples to compare where something happened regarding a release of a disc that raised an eyebrow legally regarding the use of the name "Beach Boys" or anything similar. This was the most famous/visible example, the BW Sunday Mail free CD case...and look at the dust-up that occurred. It was, to be kind, a real debacle that saw not only the case being thrown out of several courts, but also orders that those filing the lawsuit pay the legal fees of some of those being sued (those in the legal field, perhaps you could explain what kind of message that kind of action from a court is sending...), some actions of the legal team being admonished by the courts, and other details that added up to a mess.

But if that much hay was made over a release like that free disc, which was not even a commercial US release or a release at all, more or less, imagine if an actual project were to be offered on the market labeled "The Beach Boys" that had anything less than the 2012 C50 lineup involved.

If this is nothing more than a PR move, let me say again speaking only for myself but thinking what I believe other fans are thinking too: Announcing a "new" Beach Boys album in any way is something to be handled veeerrrrrryyyyy carefully. Tread light with that kind of stuff...or at least be prepared to clarify such a statement in some official way before the thing spins out of control.

bgas - the title of the thread concerns a BB album in 2017.

It either is, or it ain't happening.

It has been there for several days.  If it was erroneous, wouldn't someone "official" confirm or deny it?

The sanest post in this thread...

Could the "new album" be a new archival release like Hawthorne, CA, that features alternative versions of hit songs plus songs that were never released before?
Again, I think the easiest way to get an answer is to share the link on Brian's (and maybe also Mike's) facebook site and say how cool it is that they will get together to record a new album. When there's enough talk etc. they will post a statement if it's false news.

On point one, that could be a possibility, I definitely thought of that too (like a compilation including some recordings they did recently but never released widely)...again, the need for clarification is there.

On point two, has this happened enough in the past to think it would happen now? Part of me seriously doubts that those who are charged with PR duties have an understanding of how fans really are, and how they react to such things.

The fans deserve a clarification, from an "official" Beach Boys source, or from Mike's offices since it was his interview where this line appeared alongside. Put it directly on his Facebook and see what the answer would be, I'm with Rocker on that one.

And there it is.  ;D

If Brian's denied it, then that's good enough for me. I think the original writer misheard.

Possible double post

Hi Professor;

I called Brian last night to see if there was really anything to this. He said that he had already gotten a call on it , and told me that neither he , nor Al, knew anything about it. He kind of laughed and said that none of us can cut a record independantly and call it The Beach Boys anyway.
Ray

It would definitely be premature to mention a new Beach Boys album in 2017 when 2 of the 3 members who would/should be involved didn't know about it.  :) 

In that case, Mods should close the thread

I think my initial instinct, in that the writer misunderstood Love's desire to release an album under his own name , was correct.

Will shortly. We know there's not a 'Beach Boys' album coming out now...just waiting for clarification (if any) of what actually IS being released in 2017.

Agreed about letting this rest until we know more. But it's clear that a new BB album, if it were the real thing, so to speak,would create great excitement. We got spoiled with 67 shows and late-night appearances when the BB were everywhere. Now I, and those who share my longing, would be thrilled if it really happens. Perhaps the confused swirl about this will get the Boys themselves thinking. Thanks to Ray for the extremely cool act of calling Brian. Ray, if it's within your purview, please tell Brian that many of us long for a BB album but that we salute him for all his work and for his current album, which I know I will cherish, while waiting in joyful hope for another reunion album.

The Professor

There will likely be a 1967-era copyright protection BB album of some sort coming out in 2017...  ;D

With a full complement of Wilsons, even.

Seems to be a consensus forming… see you here in Jan 2017 to discuss news, if there is any by then.

I emailed the author of that piece to see if we can get clarification on what exactly was said. But surely some of the posters on this thread close to Mr. Love should be able to enlighten us, right?  Once they wipe the egg from their face anyway.

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Good idea to email the author.

Mike toured all of 2011 after re-recording 'DIA' in I think April yet despite knowing the C50 was going to happen, never said a dicky-bird until the 'official' announcement in December 2011.

He is not the kind of guy that is going to let slip about any full Beach Boys album 2 years out.

That settles that. Thanks Ray, you are invaluable here.

I'm really excited about the possibility of a new BB's album in 2020.

Thank you for clearing that up Ray with a little phone call to the great man himself!  ;D

Ray,

Sorry if this is dense but you asked if Mike and Bruce were planning a Beach Boys release independently? Or did he mean there is no Beach Boys album with anyone planned for 2017? His use of "indepenently" is throwing me off maybe. Thanks.

Seems pretty self-explanatory. Brian and Al aren't involved, and Mike has no ability to put out a "Beach Boys" album using only himself and his employees. It's up to the author of that piece and Mike Love to explain what he meant. Have you tried posting about it on Mike Love's facebook page?

It's definitely a solo release, perhaps Mike just used a vague "we" to describe the project and didn't call it a solo project. Since he was promoting a "Beach Boys" show, the author may have just assumed he meant a Beach Boys album. Anyway let's see how Mike Love clears it up but that seems like a reasonable explanation without having to express shock horror or scream about bad journalism. I'll post if I hear back from the author!

The online article was interesting enough that I thought others might enjoy reading it.  That one reason is why it was posted.  I was never reporting it as fact.

If anyone reading this thread receives ESQ in the mail, then you read my recent Q&A with Joe Thomas about the song "Our Special Love" (released by Peter Hollens) which was birthed with The Beach Boys in mind (for a follow-up studio album).





 

Good Explanation!

Thanks so much!

BTW, Ray, could you pleas PM me Brian's number, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Shady.

If Mike's interview was the source of the confusion, which it indubitably was, and the author wrote the article in all innocence having misunderstood Mike's recording intentions, surely it's on Mike to clear things up? He's on FB often enough I gather, and its not like a new Mike/Bruce album or Mike solo album would be met with total indifference by diehards whatever name it's released under.

Quite honestly the thing that blows my mind, and I hate to be morbid, is why anyone at this stage in their life would say 'oh yeah, I'm making a new album.....but I'm going to wait two years to put it out'.

But 2017 will coincide with the movie based on Mikes book from the year before. ;)

Some people just don't get the master plan!

But seriously, Mike mentions Tony Bennett still recording and performing at 80 so 75 should be a cinch.

Since AGD seemingly can't reach Mike for a response, it seems clear to me that ESQ EDitor Dave BEard should just call him and ask! He's probably as close/closer to Mike as AGD, plus he's in the USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

Makes total sense. Especially as David's the OP of the link here, as well as being one of the best connected board members…

Apologies for the absence, the ears have gone again. Joy. In muted tones. DynoRod booked for Thursday pm.

Order of the day #1: evidently my source re: Brian's album contract w/Capitol being a transfer of the original 2-album BB deal in 2011 was, for once for them, inaccurate. What to do ? Simple - man up, admit I was wrong, which I was, and like the conscientious researcher that I also am, adjust my files. Egg on face, Mr. P ?  Hardly. Have you never, ever made a public statement that wasn't, in fact, accurate ? Happened to me before, will happen again. Probably here, probably soon.

Order of the day #2: as I stated before, this is likely the interviewer either mishearing or misunderstanding what Mike said, both about any putative release and the memoir, the title for which is not tentative, btw.* Mike was likely talking about a release of his, which has been considered. David is geographically better placed to pose any questions but, seriously, why bother ?

[* I know - will I never learn ? Ah well, it keeps the trolls amused...  ;D ]

Well at least I got that fucking part right. Getting to the point where I'm expecting to say "good morning" only to see the moon come up over the horizon.  ;D

 :lol

We should just spread the rumour that a new Beach Boys (with all of the guys of course) album is in the works and will get released. Then we'll update it from time to time with new "infos". In the end they have to do it. Just as Al got the reunion started... ;D

Which is astronomically absolutely possible, actually happens quite often. If you had said "full moon" instead of Just "moon", well, then... ;D

.

  There's many a morning when I wake up, roll over and see a full moon.....

Bit of a given for a musical bio even if not 'official' yet.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6258962/love-mercy-john-cusack-paul-dano-brian-wilson-beach-boys

Capitol will release a soundtrack of Love & Mercy, Pohlad told Billboard, although he has no further details. He is still talking with distributors about picking up the film.

Mike Love and the Sounds  of Summer ;  Songs of the Beachboys

That was four months ago, when we still thought No Pier Pressure was coming out in 2014.

Things change. If the solo record is released alongside the movie, as now looks likely, there is no pressing commercial need for a soundtrack. Indeed, it would only compete with BW solo product.

I'd wager a tidy sum that it ain't happening.

Ok Mr Cohen...... :lol

Extract from an email lately arrived in my inbox from Mike's people:

"As for The Beach Boys 2017 album nonsense...the journalist misunderstood Mike.  Mr. Love was referring to the possibility of a solo release not yet confirmed.  The journalist was discussing future endeavors.....Mike simply shared what he has been considering in addition to his book release.  Journalists can be quite ambitious and write what they want to hear as opposed to what they've  heard.  You are welcome to share the truth with those on the Smile board."

So. Sometimes you don't have to ask - you get told.  ;D

Am I the only person here that thinks the possibility of Mike releasing a truly new solo album is slim to none? I just don't see it happening. I highly doubt he's been saving up a bunch of new material since he recorded his last batch of solo tunes. And don't forget, many were re-records....some Beach Boys ("Everyone's in Love with You"), some Celebration ("I Don't Wanna Know"), and some unreleased solo ("Too Cruel", "Daybreak"). Not to mention "A Love Like in Fairytales" which musta been around since '75. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a new album from Mike, regardless of where the material comes from, but I just don't see this happening. I don't see him going into the studio with new material, and I also don't see him going in and re-recording old Beach Boys songs again either. He's done that already, and I don't see it happening unless maybe he gets some big name guests to duet.

However, I think it would be sensible for Mike to compile a lot of his best non-Beach Boys work and release that. You know, some of the good stuff from his unreleased solo albums. And also, if they can license them, some songs from Celebration (such as "Almost Summer") and some stuff from Looking Back with Love. And if he needed "Kokomo" on there, use the re-recorded version from Summertime Cruisin'.

Anyways, I see the "solo" anthology as much, much more likely than a new studio album. I just don't see Mike going into the studio again long term unless there was another reunion with Brian.

Thanks for telling us, Andrew!

That article was dated nearly four months ago. Since then, the movie has been picked up and no soundtrack has been thus far announced.

Thanks for spreading the word of Love re: the album. I hope they also email that website and tell them to update the story! Without being asked as well. Unless they want this error to stand.

Andrew, could you tell us why you think a soundtrack is out of the question instead of just insisting there won't be one? After all, they'd have to be brain dead not to ensure they have an accompanying release for the biopic of a musician. It's kind of SOP.

But you seem really sure of it and it's got my eyebrow raised. It's all a bit "hmmm." Sorry for teasing a bit too much earlier, but would you mind letting us know what's behind this feeling of yours? I know a soundtrack is in no way connected to BW's deal with Capitol and up to the producers of the film, so did someone close to the Love camp insist there wouldn't be one or somesuch? A source from the production company who griped about licensing issues? Pressure applied by armed thugs employed by John Stamos who want the market open for his musical's soundtrack and will stop at nothing to prevent yet another compilation of the same few songs plus one by The Sunrays? What gives?

Look at it this way, if it was a Phil Cohen saying there would be no soundtrack to a film like this you'd turn a bit purple before bellowing erudite abuse! So don't be a Cohen. Give us a reason or two. Or three. Or seventeen.

It could be possible that the journalist misunderstood Mike... or perhaps the journalist decided to play dumb and "accidentally" twisted Mike's words up. I mean, if the journalist had properly communicated in the article that Mike was talking about a solo release, I guarantee the article wouldn't have had half the views that it currently has, and there wouldn't be a 7-page thread on here about it. Sensationalism sells, and declaring that there will be a new Beach Boys album in 2017, whilst being quite vague about the details, is definitely sensational. If the article hadn't claimed a new Beach Boys release for 2017, I almost certainly wouldn't have read it, personally. Either way, thanks for sharing your information from Mike's people. Much appreciated!

Good.  Thanks Andrew. :hat

Aye indeed, thanks for sharing this which confirms what many correctly supposed.

Now, as bgas said, we can close this thread. Billy? :)

Amazing how a journalist can get it so wrong.

Was Mike speaking french

Just retitle the thread "new Mike Love solo album," as I'm sure there will continue to be plenty to talk about. Two whole years of anticipation! Tantalizing mentions in interviews with the Des Moines Scrutinizer-Picayune! Mock album covers! And so much more.

Turn it into a possible Mike Love solo album song titles thread.

That has greatness written all over it.

If there are board members who want to discuss this in any way, this is still an open forum which allows that. I don't see any reason to lock this thread as nothing offensive or otherwise has appeared.

Best course of action: If anyone doesn't want to see the thread continue, don't click on the topic and read the replies. But don't shut it down so no one else can post if they want. Threads tend to run their course naturally once everyone has had a say, let this one do that too. That's what an open forum is about.  :)

But not coming up over the horizon, rather heading down towards the horizon.

Or what you see through the window is in fact your neighbor showing you where the sun don't shine, which may have been the inspiration for your moniker.

Everything about this project is 'pedestrian' considering the movie wrapped almost 2 years prior to a June 5 release.


I'll take Wirestones wager. $20 donation to the hosting costs of this board in the winners name. What do you say? ;)

Your request is far politer than I deserve, but you're not going to like the answer, which is no, I can't, for the reasons stated in the "Question re Having Unavailable Content (for Insiders)" thread. Things may change, may have already, but my current understanding is that there won't be a soundtrack album.

I'll stand by the post above yours AGD. If you have heard on the quiet that a soundtrack is not happening then I guess I could be down $20!!! ;D

Off the top of my head I just can not recall any musical bio not having a soundtrack. Hell...Even the Dewey Cox film had one!

Ray Charles had a new duets album as well as the soundtrack in 2004.

Of course we are talking Brian/ Beach Boys here. Missed opportunities abound.

Now that high stakes gambling is at stake, time for some Not Entirely Baseless Speculation Based On Reading Between The Lines! NEBSBORBTL. Ok, so I don't have Andrew's knack for catchy acronyms.

 So is Mike Love trying to block a soundtrack release because he thinks the movie makes him out to be a villain instead of barely incorporating him? Or does he feel slighted its not Love and Mercy and Mike? Whatever the motive, it smells like possibly someone has activated the lawyers. You can catch a whiff of their imposing letterheads a mile off. Or did he just make some threatening noises? Like "grrrr" and "I don't think so!" or "no way, you pricks! Your film is a tissue of lies!"

Obviously music licensing issues are a hideous and INCREDIBLY expensive minefield I am nowhere near qualified enough to speculate on with an air of condescension and authority, but I guess maybe if they offer him a bigger slice of the pie he might be benevolent enough to cooperate? The proceeds could help sustain Foskett's chocolate milkshakes for a few months.

I'd be interested to find out if Mike Love has requested and/or received a script or rough cut. No doubt some small newspaper journalists will ask him about the film and will horribly misquote him soon enough.

Yeah I thought of that but the review by I think schiaffino, who may still be the only poster here who has seen the film, implied Mike was portrayed pretty fairly. Would it be in his best interest to lock out his songs? Heck, he uses them himself night after night indirectly with Brians ok. I'd like to read some proof before this turns into another anti- Mike thread.

Yeah, that's why I was curious if he'd seen it or the script. That post didn't make him sound like he was shown badly at all.

Another thought. The Beach Boys stuff has been in movies for years. Maybe its the solo work causing problems?

Why would Mike Love have sole veto power? I doubt he does. It's a BRI issue. Not to mention an issue of Capitol approving licenses for Beach Boys' material at a reasonable rate vs. predicted sales, especially in an era where people often prefer free listens on Spotify instead of buying.. There's also licensing issues for Brian's solo material labels, as mentioned.

Indeed, lots of questions. It would be nice to get some answers!

It's common sense.

Capitol would release the soundtrack.

Capitol will release Brian's solo album.

The movie is not the story of the group -- it is the story of Brian.

The movie will be coming out this spring, most likely.

Brian's solo album will also  be coming out this spring, most likely.

What conceivable reason would Capitol have to compete with itself by releasing a soundtrack that sells to the exact same audience as a Brian Wilson solo disc? It would be commercial suicide.

Yes, if Brian's album had come out in November (as seemed to be the plan for a time), it would have made sense to release a soundtrack concurrent with the movie. But now that his record has been delayed, it will be the de facto soundtrack.

What's more, I'll go out on a limb and say that I suspect a NPP track will be played over the credits of L&M, and that the NPP cover sticker will include a big ad for the movie.

(The above is all speculation on my part and not confirmed by any insiders, anonymous or nonymous.)

The movie comes out this summer tho, doesn't it? The album should be out earlier than that.

I haven't seen a release date for the album. If it's released in April or May and the movie goes on limited release before the June wide release date cited by IMDB (if that's even accurate), Brian's promotional duties could cover both projects. He'd be on the late-night shows playing a song from the record and -- hey -- he has a movie coming out too! And he'll be on tour! Watch the movie, see the show, buy the album.

The crossover marketing potential of this seems too great to ignore.

They can complement each other too.

Genius Loves Company released (posthumously) August 31 2004. Total 8 Grammy s including album of the year.
Ray soundtrack released October 2004. Grammy for soundtrack of the year.

Well, Brian isn't dead. That's one difference.

In the case of the albums you mentioned, there were two different labels involved. The soundtrack was on Atlantic/Warner, and the duets record on Concord/Hear. Each company had an incentive to maximize profits by getting the CDs out as soon as possible, given the coverage of Charles's death.

With a single label involved here, I see less reason for simultaneous releases -- or even releases spaced out by a couple of months.

Guess we will see come June. Did you see me challenge your wager above Wirestone? Just to make things interesting but in good fun.

I'm still up for it. How about yourself?

Do they even release soundtracks anymore? it seems like I haven't seen a movie soundtrack (with pop/rock songs) in years, and the ones that I have seen have been instrumental scores for high budget movies, I know that soundtracks were huge in the 70's and 80's but I don't think they are that big anymore,,

The Guardians of the Galaxy "mix tape" was pretty huge this summer, IIRC.

Wonder what rights would have to be negotiated? Brian's released albums on around five labels - Sire, Giant, Disney, Nonesuch and Capitol - and presumably any soundtrack would include material from at least two of those… then there's any Beach Boys stuff to negotiate separately. Could be that Brian (BriMel) owns the rights to much of his solo stuff… dunno.

Sigh...

They say the leopard never changes its spots, and this post suggests this axiom is indeed true. You immediately assume that Mike is in some way trying to block any theoretical soundtrack, presumably for no better reason than "that's exactly the sort of dastardly thing that he would do". Why Mike ? Why not Alan, Bruce, Carl's estate, David... or even Brian ? Is it not possible, as others have mooted, that he has told Capitol "I don't want my old recordings taking away attention from my new album ?" More likely Capitol have looked into such a project and, for whatever reason, have decided that - currently - for whatever reason, it's not worth the effort.

Someone, somewhere, asked if Mike was going to request to see a pre-publication copy of Brian's book (on which front there has been a resounding silence these last few months... but I'm not assuming any problems: should I ?), which is on a similar level to assuming the scenario outlined above re: Mike & the movie, viz it has no basis in the real, non_BB world and was posited from an anti-Mike stance without continent thought. The historical record shows that the lawsuits invariably result from no prior knowledge.

This blanket assumption that Mike is solely responsible for every bad thing from the original Fall From Grace, through the Fall of the Roman Empire, the Black Death, slavery, the development of nuclear weapons to the rise of Islamic State is certainly convenient, as it requires no coherent thought: it just IS. Actually, I deeply admire such a singularity of thought and execution, monotonous as it is (in the literal sense), but after a while, it really, really grates. The narrowness of outlook, the inadequacy of thought depresses, and lordy, modern life is depressing enough, thank you very much.

May I, in the spirit of Swift, offer A Modest Proposal ? That the rabid Anti-Mike Faction be afforded their own sub-forum for the Express Purpose of providing a Safe Haven in which they may Express their Considered Opinion of him in Safety, free from the fear of Comments that may Upset Their Equilibrium, thus Affording Them Considerable Discomfiture. This refuge will, of course be Only Accessible to Them and  They, in turn will be Confined Therin and thus spare those of Us with a Broader Outlook, their Inchoate Gibberings. I feel this notion has Considerable Inherent Merit.

I did say it was speculation, Andrew. I'm sure the truth will come out soon enough despite your not wanting to divulge it.

It would be easier for you to start your own forum to moderate if you're upset with different opinions. Because, yeah - these guys have a long history of feuding and involving lawyers. Pardon me if I think the guy asinine enough to initiate legal action over a free CD in a newspaper is POSSIBLY the most likely candidate to scupper a potential project like this. Character is destiny.

So there are going to be fingers pointed at times like these even if they exasperate you. Stop trying to control the forum, get posters banned, or corral off opinions different from yours to a sub-forum. Use a strong argument and back it up with the facts instead of trying to play moderator. You're not!


Because he's sued repeatedly, has brilliant lawyers, and naturally someone inclined to distrust him might assume so... because they've battled over bad biopics before and money has changed hands before over them. Because it's not likely he'd be too keen on a movie praising BW's role as creator of Pet Sounds and Smile and sidelining his own contributions. Because it might get a rise out of you and shake some crumbs of information out.

 Because you clam insider information yet don't have very good information from BW's camp these days... but are in touch with "Love's people." Because Bruce and David have no sway and can you imagine Al Jardine suddenly putting up an argument? When he wants to tour with Brian and calls him a musical Bodhisattva? I think it hardly likely. Carl's Estate? Why wouldn't they want the check? You always go on about how they don't want to stop getting those big fat checks.

Brian? Possible but doubtful. The releases are months apart. Let's see how it shakes out.

I'm open to being completely wrong and often am. I'm not the one presenting myself as some sort of authority and trying to run the board. I was just trying to draw you out and explain exactly why instead of leaving it hanging in the air for months. It's just a little strange for a biopic on a musician not to have a soundtrack and I'm curious as to why. I'm sorry I doubted his motives and slandered the good name of Mike Love in the process. He may be entirely innocent and wholly supportive of Love and Mercy, indeed... looking forward to autographing soundtrack cds and accepting royalties until informed that he wouldn't be able to do that. Darn!

So you're saying Capitol passed on the project then or is that also speculation?

Yeah, that's all fine and dandy, but can I sell them Irish babies?

 ;D

It's not the opinions that irk, and frankly, bore, me: opinions are the food and drink of this forum. Rather it's the increasingly tedious mode of expression of said opinions. Problem with a soundtrack ? Gotta be Mike's fault. I expect nothing better from The Gruesome Twosome,(and am never disappointed) but I had you pegged for someone capable of independent thought.

I just want to find out what happened here, it seems awfully strange! I mean, really a boneheaded commercial decision. Even if it's a modest arthouse thing, not much outlay = decent profit.

 I want a few archival scraps released. Whatever they recorded for the film on a shiny disc or download... It's not too monstrous a motive.

It could very well be the producer bungling things, Lionsgate, Capitol deciding not to do a soundtrack in favor of three more cut-rate Greatest Hits discs... any number of things. I may have cracked some jokes at Mike's expense but I haven't made up my mind before the facts are in. I just cracked jokes! Admittedly to try and draw you out, guilty on that front. I'll shaddup now.

So bring on the facts.

Why does anyone care about a soundtrack album? Is it expected to be a trojan horse for unreleased goodies?

In principle, soundtrack albums for musical biopics seem unnecessary when the artist's music is freely available. It's like making the comic book of the movie of the comic book.

Great post as always but you're wasting precious time trying to reason with the anointed one.

Now back to... Mike's solo album! Paging Judd for potential album covers...

I smell a MASTERPIECE

I still think "10,000 Years" has major hit potential. I figure you get Charli XCX on the chorus and Daft Punk to help produce it and it's bound to top the charts.

An earlier post outlined what music was in the film. Virtually no BW solo stuff was included. It was just a bunch of BB material, some in alternate mixes, some sung by actors in the film. I'd guess there's some underscoring, too.

It frankly seems like it would be an incredibly inessential release. I mean, how many people rushed out to buy the "Across the Universe" soundtrack?

Oh no...we are boring the windbag.  Only Andrew "Cliff Claven" Doe's misguided opinions are interesting.

Sadly, a lot of people.

From Wikipedia: "From October 15–17, 2007, and again from October 22–23, 2007, the 31-track deluxe edition was the #1 downloaded album on iTunes."

Actually, I bought it too. And it was awful.

 :lol

If the soundtrack largely consists of Beach Boys songs and then a few with the actors voices dubbed on top of them, I see no point in releasing a soundtrack album unless someone's a major Paul Dano fanatic and wants to hear him sing Beach Boys songs (not me, thank you very much. In the context of the film, sure but I want to hear Beach Boys sing Beach Boys). 

And there are loads of music bio-pics that don't have accompanying soundtrack albums (unless Mike Love secretly stopped all of those from coming out too!  ::) ) Then again, if the release date is June 2015, that might be far enough away from Brian's NPP CD for Capitol to cobble something together.

:h5 :rock :love :happydance :woot :woot :thumbsup :laugh:

I'm pretty sure Mike has zero problems with the Love & Mercy project since he allowed them to use his name in the title.

Source: I'm a bit of a Beach Boys expert

His original beard as featured on the "Pet Sounds" album cover was painstakingly implanted into the actor's face as well for maximum realism during those scenes. It's marvelous technology.

The Jersey Boys soundtrack was kind of like that, a mixture of original Four Seasons tracks and cast recordings and sometimes a mashup of the two (which at some points was actually pretty cool).

Mike put a stop to June this year so there would no chance of the film's soundtrack coming out.

 
 :lol

As somewhat of a completist I would love a soundtrack from this movie. If Paul Dano does a great job at nailing Surf's Up why not make it available? You don't have to be a Paul Dano fanatic to appreciate a beautiful sounding song (not saying it will be, but there is the possibility - Joaquin Phoenix nailed the sound of Johnny Cash, proving that miracles can happen ;D). Besides, this is a band that has put out a new compilation of the same songs nearly every year since 1990....putting out a compilation of both Beach Boys originals, Brian Wilson solos, and a few of Dano singing would be a nice change.

I think it'd be interesting to speculate on a Mike & Friends album. Here's my imagining:

1. 10,000 Years Ago, ft. Charli XCX & Daft Punk
Beatles Trilogy
2. Thank You/Spiritual, ft. Paul McCartney
3. Pisces Brothers, ft. Dhani Harrison
4. Back in the USSR, ft. John Stamos
End Trilogy
5. Cool Head, Warm Heart, ft. children of Mike Love, Al Jardine, and Carl Wilson
6. Unleash the Love, ft. Bruno Mars
7. Kokomo, ft. Vampire Weekend, Carson Daly's Mom
8. Love Foundation
9. Glow Crescent Glow, ft. Sam Smith
10. Foskett's Back
11. Everyone's In Love With You, ft. Mormon Tabernacle Choir
12. Only One Word, ft. John Frusciante
13.  Kokomo (Redux)

I like Mr. C's idea...very much.

Might I suggest adding some other-song fragments to some of the
fades of songs?  (Like a Phil Spector Christmas album)

For example, that final Kokomo could fade into a distant, ghostly
 "There's a riot goin' on..." 

Well, now that I think about it, an interpolation with "Santa's Goin' To Kokomo" would be great on the final track. Move the distant, ghostly "there's a riot goin' on" to the front of the album, with a redux before the first "Kokomo".

Super track listing, but can we get Fallon to do a rap version of Daybreak Over the Ocean? :tm

You forgot the Spanish Inquisition!!!

 ;)

Posted this elsewhere...The Beach Boys are the TEAM.  Each guy is KEY to the success of the team.  Brian is the key ring.

If it hadn't been for Brian...we wouldn't be here.  Same thing can most assuredly be said about Mike.  Surfin USa, Shut Down, Little Deuce Coupe, Be True To Your School, Fun Fun Fun...The whole foundation is dependent on Mike's contributions...just as it is on Brian's.

Without that GREAT of a beginning...would there have even been a future?  It didn't happen with Surfin Safari...or anything else from the first album really...although Moon Dawg might disagree...and the folks who liked the SIP version of Surfin'...but really?

As much as Mike has done some 'sh*t'...so too has Brian. [although not becuase he was in control of his actions]  I have to agree with Andrew. :hat

Sometimes yes... sometimes no.

After having the opportunity to clarify the misinformation in the recent article, Mike's book is still on schedule for 2016, and he is considering a solo release project of new and re-recorded material at the same time. 

Good to hear he finally might put a new studio album out. Intrigued to see how many previously unreleased Love written songs would appear on this album if it ever happens.

By the way, did he mention whether any kind of solo anthology album was a possibility for release? Because he has a huge backlog of unreleased and rare material. It would be great to get both projects from Mike. I'm hopeful

cool

That would be cool. :)

Glad to know what's up.


Could package it with a special edition of the book. Makes sense to me, for what that's worth!

A fake album cover I worked on a little today.

(http://i.imgur.com/MGMsJx6.jpg)

In a perfect world I'm picturing a very Stamos oriented album. Some newly written original songs from Mike regarding the recent controversies with the band. I want a wall of Yamaha DX7 synths for the love songs. Also, a few acoustic covers (the Rolling Stone C50-era acoustic covers sounded incredible) - maybe a slowed-down acoustic version of 'All I Want To Do'. And finally, we better get an a cappella hymn about Dannon Frozen Yogurt to close out the album.

 :lol

with a young John Beach Boy  image

    (http://i58.tinypic.com/122opd5.jpg)

E X C E L L E N T  and so appropriately tacky.