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Vote The Beach Boys over Bob Dylan! (Sorry if this has already been posted!

I posted it in the vote for Brian thread, but I suppose it deserves its own.

This comment pissed me off, to put it mildly:

"worth of knowledge: the beach boys are not rock. they are simply a drugged up barbershop quartet. Dylan FTW"

wtf ???? Who said that?? If the BBs aint rock than johnny cash aint c&w and sinatra wasnt a crooner...people are fuckin stupid// the BBs are THE quintessential rock band. .and they werent puppets like the fabricated four were to george martin, not to be rude but when someone is clueless they shouldnt be voicing their malarkey.

Whatever....whoever wins this round will lose to The Who in the next round any way

I don't mind Dylan, but I think it's clear who deserves to win.

To my surprise, The Moody Blue is actually ahead of The Who by quite a bit.

We've gained a little ground.  Keep the votes coming!

"You can vote once an hour between now and Dec.15 at 11:59 PM ET."

Vote early and often!  :lol

Hope Brian's board has this link !

Moody Blues beating The Who? Who would have thought !

Things are slowly but surely swinging to our favour, judging by the narrowing gap between Dylan votes and Beach Boys votes, as well as the comments section.

I'd also like to express my surprise on the Moody Blues beating the Who by a large margin. Something I would have never predicted.

IMHO, Beach Boys music is better than rock music.

But Beach Boys music IS rock music. Certainly more so than Bob Dylan, who's definitely more folk than rock.

Oh, and The Beach Boys just overtook Bob Dylan on the poll  :happydance Let's just hope it maintains it's lead

Can't choose between Dylan and the Beach Boys.  Just can't.  Besides, when I think of 'classic rock', I think of the type of c*ck-swinging crud that's making up the rest of the semi-finals.  I think of the Beach Boys as pop music.

While Beach Boys music is more rock than Dylan, neither Pet Sounds nor SMiLE is rock music the way I see it. Dance, Dance, Dance is definitely rock music.

Nope


No

Care to elaborate? Granted though Dylan did move away from his folk roots as the 60's progressed.

The Beach Boys are a pop band. Always have been, always will be. They incorporated other styles, but they always worked outward from their pop music base. Bob's been making rock music since 1965 (and even an oft-neglected single in 1962).

Compare from the 60's:
Bob's "I Wanna Be Your Lover" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZnsAjrMofE)
The Boys' "All I Want to Do" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj56nXX-T6A)

Or maybe we should try one from the 80's:
Bob's "The Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDk27Lm4lws)
The Boys' "Rock 'n Roll to the Rescue" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKqd_9Xx9IQ)

Or perhaps we should do a more modern comparison:
Bob's "Summer Days" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu4puRZvO0A)
The Boys' "Beaches in Mind" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ooRLFhD8Ck)

If those Bob links don't work, try these:
I Wanna Be Your Lover (http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/I+Wanna+Be+Your+Lover+number/3X39XK?src=5)
Groom's Still Waiting at the Altar (http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Dylan+B+Biograph+1+13+Groom+s+Still+Waiting+At+The+Altar/4Heull?src=5)
Summer Days (http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Summer+Days/4d94gN?src=5)

You tell me who's more convincing.

I had NO trouble voting for The 'Boys' over Dylan...Although their classic 'ROCK' period was pretty short.  [Good Vibrations to Holland...with plenty of exceptions even in that short time frame]  I also voted for Cream over Buffalo Sprinfield...The Yardbirds [3 GREAT guitarists to one riff master]  over the Stones...and after some debate in the back of my mind...the Moody Blues over the WHO.  I was happily shocked to see that they're ripping Pete, Roger, John and Keith a new one but I'll tell you this...when 'we' got together during my high school days to collectively smoke a little herb and listen to the GREAT albums of the early 70s...The Moody Blues were listened to and appreciated by LOADS of people.  The Who?  Nowhere nearly as often.  Not even Tommy.  For a couple of years we collectively got together in groups of 20 -30 people on Fridays or Saturday nights to listen to  albums.  The Moody Blues first 4 albums were preferred listening.  They made plenty more good ones after that.

Seems North Americans liked them WAY more than the folks in the UK did.

It looks like The Beach Boys are pretty much set to win (and rightfully so), at 55 percent, with Dylan at 45 percent. Alternatively, bit disappointed at how The Who are going against The Moody Blues. In fact it's going disastrously for them. Oh well, can't win them all.


Checking The Who vs The Moody Blues comment section, one moron said: "This whole bracket is a joke if the Beach Boys are on it. They are surf and oldies genre, not what most would consider classic rock"

Let's be honest here.  Dylan?  Classic 'Rock'?  Well...sort of...I guess...but really only because of the Band...I mean really.   W/O the Band....NO WAY.   The Beach Boys?  IF Smile had happened...Oh ya.  Definitely.  A whole new launching pad and an entirely different future.  But it didn't happen.  *We* "weren't ready for it".  Bullshit!!!

As such...From Good Vibrations...which is a Classic Rock classic ...intermittently to Holland...the 'boys' delivered some honest Classic rock.  After that?  Nope.  Musically...they belong in EVERY converstation.  In terms of Classic ROCK...versus The Stones?  The Yardbirds?  The Who?  Cream?  [Eric, Jack and Ginger...now THAT was a unit which really got along famously eh?]  ...evrn the Moody Blues?  No...Rock was not the thing the Beach Boys did best.  They did MUSIC best.

Voting ends at the end of the 15th (American time, I assume. It's already the 16th where I live). It looks like The Beach Boys have won, with 57 percent over Dylan's 42 percent.

Next up: The Beach Boys vs The Moody Blues. Now that would be an interesting competition...

You think the only "classic rock" that Bob made was Planet Waves, the Basement Tapes, and one song from Blonde on Blonde?

I think the Beach Boys who GENEROUSLY were a "Classic Rock" band...for about 7 years if you take it from Pet Sounds to Holland and don't count much of Smiley Smile, Wild Honey or Friends beat the pants off of Zimmy.  Looks like I'm not the only one who doesn't think Mr. 'Dylan' cuts the mustard as a Classic Rock guy.  [although his SONGS most assuredly do]

Love Dyan but since The Beach Boys are my favorite I voted for them.

To be clear...I didn't say that I don't think BIG things about Robert and his obvious talents.  I own a whole heap of his catalogue...including his newer material.  But...as a Classic Rock  recording artist [as opposed to a composer]...I personally just don't see or hear him that way.  I'd suggest that his music and lyrics provided him with an invitation to this particular party.  If it's about song writing...he's going to fare way better.

I don't really classify the Beach Boys as becoming a rock band really until about 1972 - and then it was over in a short amount of time. Although, I think seeing this as a competition of "WHO MADE CLASSIC ROCK" is wrong, it's just a "Who do you like more/Whose fans will vote more" competition. Obviously, whatever the results of any opinion poll mean nothing, as you can still like the Beach Boys more than the Moody Blues even if they end up losing to them in the next round.

Besides, I'm not surprised that here, on a Beach Boys forum, most people will prefer the Beach Boys to Bob Dylan, but I am a little surprised at the seeming lack of knowledge of him. In my particular case, I think Bob is a thousand times more rock and roll than the Beach Boys. Also, I don't really understand the distinction of Bob Dylan not being classic rock, but his songs are.

(http://www.mickeyjones.com/dylan.jpg)
(http://img2-3.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080529/summer-hits/beach-boys-nice_l.jpg)

I suppose a lot of people prefer covers of his songs, done by classic rock artists...

Just my perception.  There is no one left in the competition who I can actually vote against in favour of picking the Beach Boys as the "Ultimate Classic Rock" act.  I mean...at least to me, there has to be some degree of the thing being credible.  I could do that with Dylan.  I won't be able to with the Moodies, the Stones or with Cream.
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I don't know what I'm saying re: Dylan.  :lol   Just trying to justify my votes I guess.  Anyway...I could vote for 'our team' in THAT particular round.  No problem.   After that though?  Not so much.  Best singers?  Ya.  Most fun?  Ya.  Greatest divesity and versatility?  Sure.  The one I like the best?  Definitely.  The group that's been around the longest?  So far.  Ultimate Classic Rockers? :-X

Voting is open for the next round.

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Outside of The Turtles' (are they even classic rock?) It Ain't Me Babe and The Byrds' Mr. Tambourine Man (and possibly My Back Pages), what other examples are there of this?

I can't imagine anyone doing a version of Like a Rolling Stone, Subterranean Homesick Blues, Desolation Row, Rainy Day Women, etc. etc. that would be better than the definitive Dylan versions.

The Mighty Quinn...Manfred Mann
All Along the  Watchtower...Jimi Hendrix
If Not For You...George Harrison
Tons of Stuff...The Byrds
Blowin In the Wind...Loads of People including Stevie Wonder

Who else?  The Animals, Joan Baex, the Band, The Beach Boys, The Black Crowes, David Bowie, Glen Campbell, Johnny Cash, Eric Clapton, Joe Cocker, Elvis Costello, Neil Diamond, Dion, Steve Earle, Dave Edmunds, Bryan Ferry, The Four Seasons, Golden Earing, Gov't Mule, Sammy Hagar, The Heptones, Gregory Isaacs, The Isley Bros., Etta James, Billy Joel, Ben E King, Mark Knopfler, Gordon Lightfoot, Little Feat, Taj Mahal, Bob Marley, Nazareth, Willie Nelson, Odetta, The O'Jays, Pearl Jam, Tom Petty, Queens of the Stone Age, Bonnie Raitt, Lou Reed, Boz Scaggs, Bruce Springsteen, James Taylor, George Thorogood, U2, UB40, Townes Van Zandt, Eddie Vedder, Jerry Jeff Walker, Roger Waters, XTC, Yes, Neil Young, Warren Zevon...Just to SHORT-list it from A - Z.

I could have been here typing all day.

Of course, I forgot about Watchtower. Mighty Quinn is good too but there was quite a long absence there of a Dylan original. Personally, I'd be surprised if the general public appreciated or knew of Stevie's Blowin' in the Wind more than Dylan's. I mean, yes, lots of people have performed Dylan's songs. The question is whether it is the case that "a lot of people" prefer those cover versions over Dylan's. You tell me the Gregory Isaacs song that the public prefers over the Dylan version? Is The Beach Boys' version of Times They are-a Changin' generally regarded more favourably than Dylan's?

Yes, you could have been typing all day. It's easy when you disregard what anybody has said.

Sorry if you felt like I was disregarding your post.  Wasn't my intention.  I was just trying to give an indication of how highly Bob is held in terms of esteem whether it be in Rock, Pop, Country, or Reggae...and by almost all of the BIG names...not to mention the public.  As to which version is the prefered rendition...every opinion counts.  no 2 ears are the same.   Sometimes I'll go with Bob.  Sometimes not.

This is pretty much what I would have said, though I'd add Guns and Roses (Knockin' On Heaven's Door), which a lot of people prefer - and funnily enough the one time where I'd disagree. I always thougt the Peter, Paul and Mary version of Blowin' In The Wind was the definitive one. The Byrds are the ultimate Dylan cover band though, too many to list. I'd also add the Stones live cover of Like A Rolling Stone, one of their best latter-day songs.

And holy sh*t the Moody Blues are kicking the Beach Boys's arse. C'mon Everybody, we gotta vote for put favourite band!

Maybe, but I wouldn't call Peter, Paul and Mary classic rock artists. Nor would I Joan Baez, Glen Campbell, Johnny Cash, Neil Diamond, The Four Seasons, The Heptones, Gregory Isaacs, The Isley Brothers, Etta James, Ben E. King, Gordon Lightfoot, Willie Nelson, Odetta, The O'Jays, Bonnie Raitt, James Taylor, and Jerry Jeff Walker.


They have a lot but I'd say only a few trump Dylan's own songs in terms of overall popularity.


I might disagree about that, but I would definitely argue that Dylan's version of this song is the definitive one - definitely not The Stones'.

NOW who's disregarding other people's posts? ???  I CLEARLY said...and I quote..."I was just trying to give an indication of how highly Bob is held in terms of esteem whether it be in Rock, Pop, Country, or Reggae...and by almost all of the BIG names...not to mention the public."

So the fact that you don't consider Pop, Country or Reggae artists to be Classic Rock isn't really the point.  I don't either.  But when Bob Marley records one of your songs...[or at least when he did as Bob Marley hasn't been with us for over 30 years now]...it's a /it was a BIG freakin' deal. 

Bottom line.  Bob Dylan is toast...in this little poll.  Does it mean ANYTHING?  Not even a smidge.  I won't change the course of anything even remotely valid one iota.  And people...and musicians...will continue to think that composers like Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen and Brian Wilson, for that matter, are pretty darned special.

If all you've heard of Dylan is Times They Are-a Changin' or Freewheelin', I can see why you'd think of him as a folk artist. Hard to overlook that trilogy of rock albums from 65-66, though. Bringing it All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited and Blonde on Blonde are Rock albums! They're not folk records. They're not country. Psycadelic blues, maybe.

Wow, can't believe the Dylan discussion is continuing even after he was defeated and The Beach Boys now face The Moody Blues.

The Beach Boys have gained nearly ten points since I voted last night. From down 3-1, it's now roughly 2-1.

I wasn't contradicting your point. My point has been to question the assertion made several posts back that "a lot of people prefer covers of [Dylan's] songs, done by classic rock artists." I asked a basic question which was, aside from a few striking cases, what are the examples of songs done by classic rock artists that "a lot of people prefer" over the Dylan originals? Your post gave a list of names, many of which we both agree were not classic rock artists, who performed covers, most of which were by and large not more popular than the Dylan original. I've never questioned that many people have covered Dylan's songs - I agree with you on that. So when the poster who originally noted that  "a lot of people prefer covers of [Dylan's] songs, done by classic rock artists" says that your post is "pretty much what [he] would have said" in answer to my call for examples, I can only respond by saying that it doesn't work as a response. You might have been making a fine post ibut it has nothing to do with anything that I was talking about. If you think that my post was disregarding yours, then I can only say that again, you haven't paid attention to my original post.

One could, say, point to Joe Cocker's "With a Little Help From my Friends," Aerosmith's "Come Together," Elton John's "Lucy in the Sky," The Stones' "I Wanna Be Your Man" but I don't think anyone would make the statement that a lot of people prefer covers of Beatles songs done by classic rock artists.

I'd be surprised if the Stones version of I Wanna Be Your Man (and to a much lesser extent Joe Cocker with WALHFMF) isn't considered the definitive version. It's generally considered to be among their best early songs, and was their first major hit in Britain. It was also (according to Bill Wyman) the first hit song in Britain to feature a slide guitar. Not to mention the brilliant bass playing that literally carries the song along.

Anyway...

Cream is curdling the Stones.  Nice.  [and yes...I'm guilty of voting for the BOYS.  I can't help myself :lol]

Can't say, from what I've heard, that I prefer any covers of Dylan songs over his own versions, not even The Byrds, who made a neat trick of it.  Once you've heard one of their covers, you don't really need to hear the others.

I just voted for the Beach Boys over the Moody Blues, but they aren't winning.

Yeah, they're doing pretty disastrously so far. A lack of enthusiasm from people around here doesn't help

Which is why I gave both songs as examples. I'm really not sure you are understanding my point at all.

Perhaps because you also have an Aerosmith and Elton John examples of Beatles covers, which I found a bit bewildering.

And now it's 3-1...

By all rights, in a bracket like that, the Stones should trounce everyone with the Who coming in second.  It is a very odd demo that is voting.

They are both versions of Beatles songs that were frequently played on my local classic rock radio station. Many people in my age group preferred the Aerosmith version of CT over The Beatles; meanwhile, Elton's version of LSD went to #1 whereas The Beatles version wasn't a single at all. Why did you find these examples bewildering?

At least where I'm from, the original Beatles versions are generally considered definitive, with at least their version of Come Together getting regular airplay. I was aware of an Elton version of LSD, but I haven't come across anyone who's deemed it superior to the original. As for Aerosmith, wasn't aware of them doing a cover of CT.