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  Ranking the Presidents - Best to Worst  (Excluding William H Harrison and James Garfield)

 1. Abraham Lincoln
 2. George Washington
 
 3. Franklin Roosevelt
 4. Theodore Roosevelt
 5. Thomas Jefferson

 6. Harry S Truman
 7. Dwight D Eisenhower
 8. James K Polk
 9. John F Kennedy
10.Ronald Reagan

11. Andrew Jackson
12. James Monroe
13. Woodrow Wilson
14. John Adams
15. William McKinley
16. James Madison

17. Bill Clinton
18. George Bush
19. Lyndon Johnson
20. Grover Cleveland

21. Barack Obama
22. John Quincy Adams
23. William H Taft
24. Gerald Ford
25. Calvin Coolidge

26. Martin Van Buren
27. Ulysses S Grant
28. Chester A Arthur
29. Rutherford B Hayes
30. Benjamin Harrison

31. Herbert Hoover
32. Richard Nixon
33. Jimmy Carter
34. George W Bush

35. Zachary Taylor
36. John Tyler
37. Millard Fillmore
38. Franklin Pierce
39. Warren G Harding
40. Andrew Johnson
41. James Buchanan
 

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you put that piece of crap #21 !?

Ah, you had to know this thread was going to become a classy--and wholly fact-based and reasonable!--discussion.

Because virtually everyone is incapable of saying anything remotely worthwhile, I'm with RiC on this...let's be stupid. I like Franklin Pierce most because he was a drunk. (Ditto for Grant.) And Chester Arthur had sweet mutton chops. So they get my votes.

obama is a worthless president. is that classier for ya  ;) ?

I'd fully rank if I could but:

I'm not American, and

While I am quite knowledgable about 20th Century presidents, I'm hopeless with the pre-Lincoln presidents with a few exceptions (Washington, Adams, Adams Jr., Jefferson, Van Buren). And seriously, that stretch between Polk and Buchanan would wipe you out!  :lol

But if I had to pick Presidents that I'd rank highly, I'd pick Theodore Roosevelt, JFK, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagen.

No. If we were going to argue substantively, I'd ask how a person could even rank him in that he can't get anything passed due to an obstructionist House and a minority party whose stated (failed) goal was first making him a one-term president. I'm not even saying where I'd rank him, which is moot in that he hasn't been able to get anything done through no fault of his own. I'm just saying, well, that. He's president over the most laughably (if you're feeling charitable ... hand-wringingly do-nothing if you're not) pathetic congress ever.

All that said, I do think a certain amount of decorum is a nice idea. So calling anyone, including presidents, a piece of crap is in poor taste, in my opinion.

That's a rare pick.

It's also interesting that your picks included Carter and Reagan, who were pretty much diametrically opposed in virtually every policy matter.

Eh, they both did different great things.

Hmm, well I'm going to have to go with:

1. Chris Ballew
2. Dave Dederer
3. Jason Finn
4. Andrew McKeag

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for the band leader/guy who writes the songs, so my favorite has to be Chris Ballew. He carried the band, wrote the "important" songs, and carries on in a solo career. Next up, I have to go with Dave. Despite his leaving the band ten years ago, I feel he was a very important part of the band and helped to create the band's sound with his guitbass to Ballew's basitar. Also, he started to pitch in and help to write some songs as they got further into their career. He seemed to drop out at the right time, as the band seems to be going down without him. Third up is Jason Finn, the drummer. Now, people may disagree with me, but, for the most part, I find that drummers are replaceable. Also, he's involved in something called W00tfest (which I refuse to investigate), so he gets knocked to the worst original member. In last place, we have Andy McKeag. To be fair, it isn't entirely his fault that the band seems to be faultering, but there certainly is a correlation (which does not imply causation). He hasn't had much time to prove himself, and I will be waiting, ready to reevaluate, when he decides to step his game up. The ball's in your court, McKeag.

Better lock this thread before Bean Bag finds it.

1. Mario Götze

1. Charles Logan
2. James Heller
3. David Palmer
4. Allison Taylor
5. Noah Daniels
6. Wayne Palmer
7. John Keeler

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Please tell us why he's so worthless Gertie! And after you're done tell us why Sarah Palin or Rick Perry would've been wonderful choices instead!

Only presidents I know anything about (Bush and Obama) would be on the tail end of the list. Major pointless wars, open borders, widespread domestic spying, trillions in defense funding - pennies for the space program...smh.

So I'm ranking the top 5 movie presidents instead:

1. Harrison Ford (Air Force One)
2. Morgan Freeman (Deep Impact)
3. Richard Nixon (All The Presidents Men)
4. Bill Pullman (Independence Day)
5. John F. Kennedy (Forrest Gump)

'Merica :woot

Obama is my favorite, because he's the only President I have voted for thus far. He also likes Bob Dylan.

Why exclude Garfield?  I think he was reasonably good, for his brief tenure.

Well I am the only one who has strong political views (ha!)

Nevertheless, I'm seriously impressed that someone could rank them all.  I could only rank those of my own lifetime. I assume historians have agendas and are constantly reworking "the facts" to suit their own agenda. For example the Demorat party is the party of slavery and segregation -- just as they today. But that's not how they're propagandized. They're presented as the Party of compassion for the downtrodden. Yet in reality they're the Party of slave labor (via pro-illegal immigration) and the Party of the phony "minimum" wage lie -- which only serves to create the thirst for it.

To assume a modern party has anything to do with its historical roots is absurd. Parties, whatever their particular philosophical geneses, evolve or malignantly mutate over time along with society to achieve their one and only real reason for existence: winning (i.e., gaining or keeping power). To pretend there are grand, generation-spanning plans beyond that is giving them far too much credit.

Or, mr. Captain, I'm right as referenced by my generational spanning example. Once the party of tyranny, always the party of tyranny, unfortunately.

Wish you were right though. It serves me no purpose to be right (or wrong) on this issue, wouldn't you agree?

I don't believe your example is accurate, in that I don't believe the democratic party is one of tyranny or that its policies on immigration could be construed as a continuation of slave labor. For one, the current (democratic) administration has been deporting more illegal immigrants and has increased border security more than its republican predecessors. I'm guessing the closest thing to slave labor that you may be referencing is the somewhat blind eye historically turned toward illegal immigrants who come here to do business mostly off the books as migrant workers. This is not a democratic issue, but a capitalistic one, and has persisted under republican administrations as well.

Realistically speaking, when people live in a depressed and/or dangerous place and see an opportunity elsewhere to better their and their families' circumstances, it stands to reason that they'll try to take advantage of it. And our employers, farm or factory or restaurant, are all too happy to underpay and mistreat them.

If you meant something else by slave labor, by all means clarify.

The borders, right now, are anything but "secure."

I suspect you're not entirely aware of the current situation, since it is only being covered by what the progressives have successfully branded as "extremist" or "right-wing" media.  But don't take my word for it.

Regarding slave labor -- yes I'm referring to illegal immigration.  The Demorats own it. Just as they own the minimum wage farce, which funds it. Cause and effect. Republican's blind eye is shameful, but let's not cut off our nose...

I neither said nor implied the borders were secure. I'm not entirely sure why you think I'd be less informed than anyone else regarding the current situation. I don't see any point to this conversation. (I feel like I've said that to you before. I don't mean it in a derogatory way, I just feel like we're working from different concepts of reality.)

I didn't say less informed, rather I said "not entirely aware" -- implying you were likely mis-informed.  There is of course a difference. You said the current administration had increased border security, so I naturally assumed.

The reality of the situation is abysmal and quite dire. And this administration's "handling" of it is to do nada. Even to attack people who are trying to do something about it.  It's complete breakdown at the border. Crisis.  

There's no place to put the people pouring in -- illegally. Undocumented. Could be diseased. Criminals. Children. We don't know. That's what undocumented means.

Haven't you heard?  They're trying to bus them -- by the tens of thousands -- to cities around the country. States don't want them -- they can't take them.  Where are they gonna put them?  This the job of the federal government, gosh darn-it!  To protect its borders, don't you know!?  But what have they done?

Nothing.

Texas has been forced to deploy the state national guard!  What to do, captain?!  It's not in your backyard perhaps, but in the border states it's Calamity. Arizona has been battling the, as you say, "administration that has done more than its republican predecessors" for years.  Obama has repeatedly ignored them.  Even tried to sue them, for enforcing the laws that he won't.  Total farce.

And now, the administration is not allowing the media down there to report it.  Wonder why?  So you stay supportive, I suppose.  That's a good reason, no?

If this comes as a shock, than yes, you are likely mis-informed and you and I are on "different realities" of which there can be only one that is "reality."  Unless, everything I've been told is a lie, I suspect it is you in the fake reality on this issue?  But, who knows for certain... do you?  Do you know for certain?

I'm not going to keep up this discussion. No disrespect to you, here, but while reading your posts I kept thinking that we simply can't have a conversation. I don't think you're making good points or backing them up with sound logic, and honestly I feel like you're more interested in amping up hysteria and anger (those great American political traits...  ::) ) The idea reminded me we tried to converse before (here: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17002.0.html ) and I had the same conclusion. Good luck to you.

I do like hysteria - I'll have to go back and read this thread.

Conversating is over-rated anyway.

IMMIGRATION OVERLOAD IN TX; SHELTERS LIKE HURRICANE... (http://"http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IMMIGRATION_OVERLOAD_SHELTERS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-08-05-15-36-15")

• "After hovering around 6,000 or 7,000 for several years, the number of children in the federal shelters double."
• "More than 57,000 children entered the U.S. illegally between October and June without a parent or guardian."
• "More than double the number who arrived over the same period a year earlier."

Law enforcement overwhelmed by death, rape along 'immigrant superhighway'... (http://"http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/08/04/Rape-Death-and-Police-Pursuits-Continue-as-Illegal-Immigrants-Flood-Falfurrias")

• "The death toll continues to climb in the Falfurrias death march region also known as the ranch lands and highways of Brooks County."
• "A Guatemalan woman was found dead on Wednesday..."
• "On Friday, a woman who entered the country illegally was captured by Border Patrol Agents who told Brooks County officials she had reported being raped earlier in the week."

Illegal who gunned down border agent arrested 4X for entering USA illegally... (http://"http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/premium/article_3763699e-1c51-11e4-bd74-0017a43b2370.html")

• "Two Mexican nationals are in custody -- confessed to killing an off-duty U.S. Border Patrol agent and wounding the agent’s father."
• “The boys are taking it pretty hard,” she said Monday outside the family home in La Feria. “We’re doing as well as we could be.”
  
• "the agent was shot at “point-blank” range."

Ah, yeah.  Just like my grandmama, who come from'a the old country, to Ellis Island to settle in America.  Start a new life.  She bring'a the recipe for the spaghetti and Papa he bring'a the gun, to slaughter border agents.

Takes me back.