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Or, Mike Love's daughter?  As much as I love Dennis, I have to say that's just wrong.  ???

It would be his second cousin, which is a pretty common occurrence in many countries.

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Because Mike is his cousin not his brother, so it's not his niece.

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This thread is going places.

Mike never accepted her as his daughter. Seems she most likely was though which according to some is why Dennis got with her.

I would like to believe that Dennis has a little more integrity than that.

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It was 1983 so integrity at the stage may not have mattered to him.

I wish there was something definitive. A blood test in  the 60s evidently showed it was "possibly" or "likely" or something. Wouldn't that have been like saying it is possible/likely you, or several hundred thousand other men, are the father?

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Cool story bro!

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Best troll ever.

She looked like Mike's daughter and probably was.  In most American states, it's legal to marry a first cousin. It's not something I would be in favor of, but they were second cousins, not first, and it's not like Dennis knew her when she was growing up. 

Seeing as Dennis slept with the wives of everyone else in the band, and also every female in the F Mac organisation, integrity probably wasn't a word that featured large in his lexicon.

(http://s30.postimg.org/3jwlwdgj5/maury.jpg)

It's probably in poor taste to ask (though that's never stopped a ton of discussion topics on this board)... but do we know what the (already publicly known) details were about these instances?  Are we talking the wives of every single BB?

What the hell do I have to do with this?

Keep me out of your ranting....

1. Hung out with Charles Manson 2. Married his cousin

I wonder what his third offense was...

 :police:

Didn't he supply Brian with drugs in the 70s? Always thought that was pretty low myself.

again with Manson  ::)

Woah, when did this become the Dennis Bashing thread?!  >:(

a yea there's no "conspiracy" right?  How about focusing on the good things in his life instead of womanizing, booze and Manson?  Hey Brian has done some stuff too but most of the time we talk about his music and what a genius he is.

Dennis lived a crazy life, it's not bashing to talk about it.

Chill, you guys are so defensive.

Dennis did these things, we're allowed to talk about it.

Couldn't agree more. We should sing his praises and talk about the positive side of his life instead of "how low he could get" and "how he lacked integrity". And when we make one comment, people tell us to stop being so defensive >:(

To Gabo: Yes, Dennis hung out with Charles Manson. But as soon as he found out what Manson was really like, he cut contact (and bashed Manson) with Manson. Considering that, I don't get why people would still condemn Dennis for his role in the Manson story.

I just hope that a lot of people here don't agree with Mike Love's disgusting comment about Dennis being a "no-good drugged-out parasite"!

Well Gabo always wants to say something negative about him but...."that's ok".  When we want to uplift Dennis, we're the ones in the wrong..."but that's ok too" right cuz Dennis doesn't deserve praise  ::)  the bad in his life has outdone the good.  >:(

r u guys fer realz

so you mean to tell me that there's no point in talking about the good parts of his life then? (if there are any)

Please direct me to where anybody said that.

I was asking you that.  I've noticed that whenever we try to talk positive about him, you always come to tell us that we're somehow "wrong"

So you can't direct me to where anyone said that?

I'm talking about you.  I asked you if that's what you're saying.  we initially said that we should be talking about the positive parts of his life and you asked us "r u guys fer realz?"

Are you seriously inferring that I'm saying "We should never talk about the good parts of Dennis' life because THERE AREN'T ANY: OMG HE WAS THE WORST!" from my saying "r u guys fer realz"?

That speaks volumes. Touchy, touchy.

You think Brian never supplied Dennis? They all had access and they all shared. Keep it real Funky.

I don't want any arguments... so I'm staying out of this one

no, this speaks volumes.  I asked you a simple question.  every time we even bring his name up here you come.  we said we should talk about the positive parts of his life and you told us we were being "defensive".  you don't have a problem with talking about "how low he could go" but it's clear to me that you have a problem with talking about the high points.  Now, if I'm wrong on that, tell me (which I'm sure you were going to do anyway).

and why not tell me in a pm  :)

Legal or not, it's still very tasteless to marry basically your relative, esp. - if that's true - out of silly competition with Mike).

2Mr. Doe: unless Dennis had superpower & could easily influence every living girl, I don't believe that story about his affair with every BBs wife. But if it's not a myth - then we shouldn't blame Dennis alone for that.

No offence meant to you Jon but I was specifically thinking of the stories of Dennis bribing Brian to play piano with him. Partying is another thing.

No offense taken. However, I think those stories reflect a sensationalized sliver of what was a fundamentally loving, but also a mutually destructive relationship at times. IMO There is no innocent party at the Brian/Dennis party.

i wonder who is sadder Gabo after being accused of Dennis bashing or the unborn of child of Sharon Tate in limbo

You do realize Dennis had nothing to do with the Tate/LaBianca murders. Terry Melcher maybe (for living in that house before Tate was murdered and pissing off Manson), but not Dennis.

I know, but it's too easy to press your buttons. I can't stop sometimes.

According to Brian when interviewed in 2005 (I think). He wasn't asked about that specifically, it just came out. The F Mac thing is common knowledge.

Didn't he also burn down a shack in Christine McVie's backyard?

We're talking Dennis Wilson here, in the sixties and seventies... I doubt there was a woman who would say no, and I can imagine quite a few men who wouldn't either.

And yes, it takes two to tango.

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Do you have any evidence that indeed every woman fell under Dennis's spell? Only BBs wifes, & even that is highly doubted, as it was told by not-a-good-source Brian. In other words, you're exaggerating & overestimating Dennis's image.

Wouldn't Dennis Wilson and Mike Love's daughter be first cousins once removed.

I can't believe I've contributed to this mess. Won't someone please get rid of this thing?

IIRC, the latter is disputed by Lindsey Buckingham's then girlfriend in her memoir -- she said that Dennis told Christine he'd bagged her just to piss Christine off.

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Over the years I've spoken with many women who came into Dennis orbit over the years and while their memories tended to vary, they all agreed on one thing: when he turned on the charm he was utterly irresistible. And very few did.  :)

It takes two to tango. Why couldn't these women say no to "the wood"? Especially the wives. I mean c'mon..... show a little backbone (and backside too, while you're at it, hot mama, oh baby let the power thrill ya GAH!....get out).

Yes, but it was only caused by friction from.....THE WOOD.

And vice versa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIsp5qMZT2s

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Even Mrs. Jardine? That can't be true...

How does this "Dr. Zombi" manage to keep starting threads that go on and on for pages and pages and yet he never comes back to them (or if he does, it's only to accuse others of being mean to him)?

Yes, it's a fascinating yet dark chapter of the BB story. Guess what? You've all still been rolled although I'm sure most of you are aware of that and happily play along.

How about a thread called I bet Al Jardine has a smaller penis than Brian because of their different proportions? The sad truth is that on a day like today when there's not much going on, I might actually click on such a thread just to see everybody argue about how insignificant their proportions are or the long term effects of Brian's meds on his health. Why can't we instead argue which song is greater? "In My Car" or "Island Girl"? I pick "In My Car" by a quarter of a mile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd6iRgnLlBw

"Many" doesn't equal "all", right? I'd give a hunch by many you mean 20 or so women, which isn't even the whole street, if we're talking from the geographic point of view. Don't you know the old saying "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"? You have to understand that there could've been some millions of girls who absolutely ignored his "charms". So don't defend Dennis for every mere chance.

Seeing as English isn't your first language, allow me to explain: of the MANY women I've spoken to who knew Dennis, ALL of them agreed his charm was irresistible. That's all of the women I spoke to, not all of the women in the world. Hope that makes things clear.

You're not any kin to Ang Jones, are you ?  ;D

Why reference me? I rarely post on this MB so my name probably means little or nothing to most of those who do. A reference to the fact that I frequently get into arguments with "the Legendary" AGD I presume.  (Actually English IS my first language and I even use English spelling and dating rather than pretentiously using American spelling and dating as Mr Doe does.)

I don't doubt that many women (and quite a few men) found Dennis extremely attractive. I've seen him in concert and reasonably close up in real life and I'd agree with that assessment. However, I should think that for some his reputation as a womaniser would be a turn-off. Not everyone likes the idea of being another notch on the bed post especially for just a few minutes fun. There are more interesting aspects of Dennis' mythology IMO and I almost find it sad that FB features photographs of him more often than clips of his music. Dennis was so much more than just a pretty face - even his attractiveness wasn't just down to his looks. Real Beach Boy? Also a real songwriter and a real character - too real sometimes.

You are right, they were first cousins once removed. I always get that mixed up. So, technically, the answer to the thread question is no. Dennis didn't marry his second cousin.  Second cousins are the children of first cousins. In this case, only one was the child of the cousin.

Because the poster in question displayed the same MO as you usually do, i.e. deflecting comment by changing your stance or saying what you posted wasn't what you actually meant. Is why.

Pretentious ? Moi ??  ;D

So, we have Brian bashing, Al bashing... and a whole thread dedicated to Dennis bashing, in the vilest way imaginable. And the (self-styled) Legendary AGD with his usual shenanigans, which make normal Internet trolls look like Mahatma Gandhi.

I guess it will be Carl's turn sooner or later.

Congrats, guys, it takes real brass balls to insult dead people who can't talk back, or sue you.

Welcome to the internet.

Thus styled by John Tobler circa 1980, actually.  :)


I thought there wasn't any disputing Dennis was, well, a bit of a ladies man. As for going through the band's wives, that little gem came from Brian who, in the middle of a question about his brothers character and its expression on POB told a startled interviewer "yeah... he had intercourse with many women. My wife, Mike's wife, Alan's wife...". I know Brian's not the most reliable source at times, but I think he'd remember something like that. British monthly 'zine, as I recall.

Even more unthinkable, Marks bashing!  :o

The legendary John Tobler!  ;D

Obviously every one knows that Dennis was a ladies man but isn`t there a book, written by insider Jack Lloyd, which basically recounts tales of all 5 of the touring members in the late 60s (Carl included) having sex with anything with a pulse? With that in mind, you can`t really blame any of the wives for also shopping around and it is not surprising perhaps that Dennis would have different attitudes to sleeping with the wives of his brother, cousin and friend than most of us would have.

I disagree with your comment about my MO. Sometimes perhaps, I don't phrase carefully enough, enabling you to nit-pick (your MO) as a way of evading an argument you know you are not going to win otherwise. I could give examples but it is too tedious.

You don't seem to mind when Mike Love makes contradictory statements - when we had an argument about that you were trying (unsuccessfully) to justify what he had written.

But mentioning here something that has no relevance to this website still seems a little silly to me.

I can understand why RangeRoverA1 wrote the message  ("Do you have any evidence that indeed every woman fell under Dennis's spell? Only BBs wifes, & even that is highly doubted, as it was told by not-a-good-source Brian. In other words, you're exaggerating & overestimating Dennis's image.")  that prompted your response. The idea that no woman could have possibly resisted Dennis' charms may be a nice ego massage for men who identify with him, but some women have more self-respect than to want to make themselves available to someone just to be used and discarded for the next conquest. Dennis Wilson was an extremely attractive man but attractiveness is subjective. I'm sure there must have been many women with different taste. And would Dennis have been so successful with the opposite sex had he not been part of an extremely famous pop group and a very wealthy man? It's easy even for unattractive men to womanise when they are in that situation.  I can think of few things less attractive than someone using people for ego gratification. I question the wives' motives if this really happened. Was it just down to Dennis' devastating attractiveness or were they seeking revenge for real or imagined infidelities?

News alert: rock stars are promiscuous.

Exactly.

You underestimate my English - I understood every word of that post initially. But you said earlier:

Surely, "I doubt there was a woman" can be read as "all women in the world", amirite? Then, you weirdly post the above sentence about speaking with many women. Hence my

Next time before telling me I'm wrong, make sure to check your memory, deal?

No kinship to anyone here.

Sorry for the bump, but the deeper I got into this thread, the more I realized (notice the use of American spelling, which is logical, seeing that I'm American) that it actually turned from a "bash Denny" to a "bash AGD thread.  I had to chuckle a little, though I certainly have the utmost respect for the Legendary One and his impressive knowledge of my favorite band.

Having said that, I must respond to Ang Jones' assertion that AGD "pretentiously" uses American spelling in his posts:  If that is indeed the case, Andrew might want to consider using an American version of the computer spell check. LOL.

Spell checkers are for the craven.  :-D

I've always found it weird that when you read a British journalist's interview with an American, and this seems to be done whatever type of publication they write for, they will not only make the spelling British, but direct quotes from Americans will be modified to British terms. For example, they'll quote an American using the term "mum" for mother. No American ever uses that word.  Yet when American writers quote a Brit, they will tend to keep the British slang terms used in the direct quotes, and not modify them to be "understood" by American readers. Nothing to do with AGD, of course, since I don't know if I recall reading interviews that he's done recently, but maybe it's the British way to keep their English usage strictly British?

I do. I just override it sometimes.  ;D

What? The last reply before yours was made only 12 h ago, how on earth can it be "the bump"? Don't get it.

Sorry ’bout that, RangeRover.  As good as I am at English, I'm equally bad at Mathematics.  :lol

Not just news journalists - also U.K. book publishers, even when the author is American! If you've read  "The Real Beach Boy", you'll know what I mean. :)

Almost makes one believe the Brits are just a bunch of pompous asses.  ;)

Lost Beach Boy I think you meant. Virgin did a definite Britishy edit on that one.

I suppose it could be revenge for the many American films in which the villains are British. And the frequent occasions when British books are made into films and set in America (like The Dark is Rising, for example, which would be like the Brits re-making Twin Peaks in Oxfordshire).