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Time to start a petition to induct Brian Wilson and his band into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame again?

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I'd love to see it happen, but realistically his solo work just isn't prolific enough.

That said, can't stand the RRHOF.

Twelve (soon to be thirteen) solo* albums in a 26-year solo career isn't prolific ?  ???

[* if you include Orange Crate Art]

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J&D will never be inducted as long as Jann Wenner draws a breath.

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  There are plenty of influential rock critics - Greil Marcus and Dave Marsh - who could make a good case for Jan & Dean. If The Dave Clark 5 and Cat Stevens qualify then J & D would merit consideration IMO.

 Jann Wenner...I can't even say what I think in decent company.

 IMO Brian does not qualify for induction as a solo artist, but Dave Marks and Bruce Johnston have been snubbed in their roles as Beach Boys. Bruce has been a Beach Boy longer than say Ron Wood has been a Stone. How many great albums have the Stones made with Ronnie Wood on board? One. (Some Girls)

According to the HOF criteria, he does.

"Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll."

Depending on how picky you want to be, Brian was eligible in either 1991 or, more realistically, 2011.

Check out this list of HOF snubs: http://www.futurerocklegends.com/The_Snub_List.php?sortby=years_snubbed (http://www.futurerocklegends.com/The_Snub_List.php?sortby=years_snubbed)

Brian's solo career is a feelgood story for his fans (and the man), but he shouldn't be in the HOF for his post-88 output.

And, thoughts on Wenner aside, for Jan & Dean to be HOF-worthy (imo), the bar would have to be set incredibly low.

Technically, doesn't Brian's "countdown" to the HOF begin with the 1987 Let's Go To Heaven In My Car/Too Much Sugar single?

None of them terribly remarkable.

Sir, you are entitled to your opinion, flawed as it may be. :old

If Brian ever somehow got inducted as a “solo artist”, it would be much more based on name recognition, and his ostensibly “solo” production work on BB tracks than for his own solo releases.

Ask a non-BB fan to name ONE song released under Brian Wilson’s own name that wasn’t a re-recorded BB song. Among the long list of “snubbed” bands, many of them (Yes, ELO, Jan & Dean, the list goes on) have some recognizable hits and a case could be made for their influence, etc.

Even some past questionable “solo” inductees like the Beatles as solo artists did have some recognizable (and hit) recordings under their own name, and even in those cases, the actual award show still featured as much if not more Beatles material (McCartney doing “Let It Be”, Price peforming “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” at Harrison’s induction) as solo. So in the even Brian ever got inducted as a solo artist, I can guarantee much if not most of what was discussed and played would be BB material even if it contradicts the “terms” of the induction.

The only reason the likes of Brian, or Jan & Dean, or many “snubbed” artists would make it in at this stage would be because, as the years go on, they are running out of old fogey bands to appeal to a wider demographic of fans who aren’t going to be into the late 80’s/early 90’s artists that are now eligible. If the hall of fame cares to cater to that demographic in future years, they’ll have to trout out a few inductions like “Yes” or something.

Two bands that really, really should be in there:

Cowsills

Carpenters.

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I prefer the term realistic to flawed.   :afro

Hey I dig his solo albums, but I think HeyJude nailed it on the head.  Brian Wilson has had plenty of accomplishments, but his solo career seems more geared toward the diehard fans like us instead of really attracting any new fans.

I don't think ANYONE should be inducted into the R'nRHoF as a solo artist if they've already been inducted as part of another act, UNTIL the ever-growing backlog of much-deserving acts who've been overlooked so far have been inducted first.

What about "Caroline No"... that was released as a solo single..

So you would deny Paul Simon, Peter Gabriel, Michael Jackson, Eric Clapton, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, and George Harrison the recognition they deserve for having success outside of their respective bands?

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Yeah, good point. I guess that means Brian was actually eligible in 1991!

Did David Marks' individual eligibility begin with his David Marks & The Marksmen recordings?

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Absolutely. I was just thinking out loud as to technically or "HOF legally" when David would've been eligible as a solo artist.

It's not primarily the concerts that get you inducted. 

Not deny, just delay, until the backlog of uninducted worthies has been inducted.

I dont know what he has to do with it - but it aint right to keep J&D out this long. Just aint right.

R&RHOF gets Zero respect from me until they are inducted.  >:(

Wenner is the co-founder of the Hall of Fame.  I think he has a lot to do with why some musicians (like Chicago) have been excluded from the HOF.

I thought about this too which is what prompted me to review his solo albums. I think the Pet Sounds and Smile tours along with the greatness of TLOS and RIG, the fact that he overcame past fears to and issues to his longest time to consistently tour. Not to mention writing and producing (with help from Joe Thomas) another top 5 hit single for the Beach Boys,  I feel are warranted for Brian Wilson to go into the hall of fame on his own.

"RIG"? Do you mean "BWRG"? :wink

Does Wenner have permanent veto power for the HOF?

And that would be... which song ?

I think he meant album

All points duly noted, but ultimately his solo career has barely had the success he enjoyed with the Beach Boys.  The only real standout on his own was his finally releasing a re-recording of SMiLE, an album he originally conceived when he was in his prime.  Is it really even fair to credit this as part of his solo career when the genesis of this album was meant to be for the Beach Boys?  All the other albums he put out sold modestly at best.  As much as I dig BW, if we were to judge him based solely on his solo output, I don't think there is enough there to really warrant him his own spot in the RRHoF. 

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... my bad, my utter, complete and miserable bad. I am a wretched excuse for a human being, and in the future will understand that when someone says "single", they actually mean "album".

This English language, it is so difficult to use properly, isn't it ? Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that calling someone a f*ckwit isn't a compliment.  So much to learn... ::)

I did that at the top of my head. I guess it's the album that hit #3, not the single.

Human beings nake errors, in any language.

For instance, I just mistyped "nake" instead of "make", and now decided to leave it like that for demonstration. Magic T. Radio either used the wrong word or mistakenly thought of the wrong thing. So what?

In my book one definition of  f*ckwit is someone who makes something out of nothing.

I meant to the mainstream Public. It is still not nearly as famous or prolific as say, 3 of the Beatles solo careers.

And count me as one of the guys who agree that Jan and Dean should get in now!


Agreed with the first part. Still cannot believe they (and Blondie + Ricky) did not get in while all the Rolling Stones (Including Ian Stewart!) got inducted. They could have at least added Bruce, as he was part of what made up their classic line-up that made their best work.

And as for the Stones comment, I slightly disagree. I think the Stones made two great albums since Ronnie Wood joined, Some Girls and Tattoo You!

I would say 4 of the Beatles solo careers - Pete Best never did have any hit records on his own. Ringo, on the other hand, had a string of top ten singles (yes, singles) in the 70's (does anyone remember It Don't Come Easy, Back Off Boogaloo, Photograph, You're Sixteen, Oh My My, Only You, No No Song)  a couple of strong selling albums  (Ringo and Goodnight Vienna), several film roles, and if we're including endless touring on the oldies circuit for the past 25 years, well, Ringo's done that too.

Wasn't his band's album "Haymans Green" nominated for Grammy? I recall there was a lot of fuss in 2010 or 11 when the news came out.

When I said 3 of the Beatles solo careers, I meant John, Paul and George. As far as I know, Ringo only really had a few hit singles and one hit album (the self-titled one). I discount film roles as it's not exactly in the same category as his solo music career.

It was just explained that that's not the case though
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Ringo did pretty well for himself

The "Goodnight Vienna" LP also went Top 10 (in the US), and he had eight Top 10 singles (and three others that made the Top 40).  That's a pretty respectable Greatest Hits in its own right.  (By comparison, George had five Top 10 singles, and nine others in the Top 40.)

I wish Brian had that kind of negligible solo success!

Cheers,
Jon Blum

True, but George also made All Things Must Pass (and to a lesser extent, Living In A Material World) which is generally considered to be one of the greatest solo Beatles albums, not to mention his work with the Traveling Wilburys.

Realistically Brian`s solo career is nothing like strong enough for him to be considered for something like this imo.

His 10 solo albums thus far (studio albums obviously) have included of 3 covers albums of other people`s work, 2 covers albums of his own work and 1 album where he was guest singing someone else`s songs. So what are you left with...

BW88 - Pretty well liked
Imagination - A mixed reception and again filled in with covers
GIOMH - Crap and with songs of various vintages
That Lucky Old Sun - Highly thought of

Now considering what Brian has been through in his life, that is nothing to be sniffed at. But it doesn`t compare with hundreds of other artistes who would be more deserving of being inducted.

Bread  ;)

This is clear-eyed truth telling. Sorry Brian  :-\

Or, more importantly, accessible enough.

In what sense?

You didn't read my post - Ringo had more than one hit album, and more than a few hit singles.

In any case, you still have to admit it's not quite as prolific as John, Paul and George's. And he isn't exactly a big seller, especially recently. Like his latest album, which sold 752 copies in the UK only.

I wasn't trying to say that Ringo was as successful as J,P,G, but he did a lot better than he was expected to.