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Jess and I decided to start a petition to get the Real Beach Boy Documentary turned into a movie. We would definitely like to see this movie created, and I'm certain many of us around here feel the same way.

So spread the word around of this petition and be sure to vote! For now we need at least 1000 signatures.
The petition's right here:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-the-dennis-wilson-biopic

yup there's over 2,000 members here and all we need is 1,000 signatures.  I'm sure you guys can pull through  :-D

I don't see why they can't, unless they don't like Dennis of course  :lol

It (I-Petition) wanted a donation. If that's the case, count me in the list of needy. I've been out of work for 2 years now and recently having more seizures. My family is poor as dirt.
 :(

I didn't know you needed to make a Donation. I didn't have to. Strange...
All I did (aside from creating the petition) was just sign

you dont need to donate. You can. Youre vote will be noted. I checked and my vote is on the list. I didnt donate.


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I just went back and saw that my signature was there. My apologies for bringing up my personal life in a public forum. And here's to seeing a finished movie!

Good luck with this, petitions really can't force them to do anything. :p

it's ok they've been wanting to create this thing for years and there's a good chance it'll go through  :p  

There should also be a poll to release the "Wouldn't It Be Nice" documentary in the U.S.  Unbelievable that you can't even buy that on DVD in the states.  A lot of rare film clips on there unavailable anywhere else.

That sounds like a good idea too  :-D

Yep. The people behind it even said that they're trying to get the Real Beach Boy Documentary expanded and made into a movie, and if they see that enough people want it, they'll go through with it!

You know, I bet if it was Love And Mercy that got cancelled and Denny's movie that gets made and there's a petition for Love and Mercy to be made, he would sign immediately, no questions asked!  :lol

How about the board signs a petition for you to stop spamming every thread with this asinine petition. 

Just how is this asinine? It's a great cause to fight for, and as the people behind it said if enough people sign that he might go ahead with the project. How about listening instead of making insulting comments!

Hey how about the board signs a petition to keep people that have negative attitudes towards others who might favor a different band member than them to BACK OFF

SMiLE Brian has a point, you know. You can't just go around different threads, telling people to sign this petition. It's unnecessary and annoying.

Either way, I think it's best that the movie stays unfinished. More than likely, the movie would be atrocious and completely inaccurate.

Thats why the drummer was actually canceled, they wanted to whitewash Dennis' life.

At the end you guys are right. But the petition is for the Real Beach Boy documentary to be turned into a film. There are plans for that, but it's been through Development Hell, and The Drummer made it worse. But now the Drummer is cancelled, there's a chance for the Real Beach Boy movie to be made, starting earlier in Denny's life and definitely going to avoid the Inaccuracies!

BTW we were only advertising to get more signatures

We quickly changed it because a lot of people feel the way you do about "The Drummer" you should click the link and see.  what we're doing is not asinine  :-\

If you want to advertise to get more signatures, just put a link to this thread in your signature, or something like that.

Actually, that's Genius! Can't believe I hadn't thought of that before. Thanks!

If you're goal is to get a good biopic about Dennis, then good luck, I'll support that.

Dennis had a very interesting life, it really shouldn't be hard at all to make a good biopic about his life.

 ;D thanks for your support

No problem. You'll find that I'm full of great ideas.  ;D

I'd love another Dennis movie. Really don't think this petition is going to do anything though. Signed anyway.

It would because Jess and I are in contact with the person behind it, and if enough people signs the petition, he might go ahead with the project!

I don't want a movie made about any member of the Beach Boys unless its a carefully considered labour of love. If this movie is made because someone thinks "Oh, there is an audience for this movie, maybe we could make some money!" the quality will suffer.
I was sad when I heard The Drummer was canceled, until it turned out it wasn't going to be great anyway. Its probably better this way.

Good luck getting something to happen with petitions, but please don't spam other threads with your own interests in this.

Thanks for your support and don't worry we won't spam anymore threads  ;D and we changed it to expanding the Real Beach Boy documentary, The Drummer is out

Interest in a movie and having the money for one are two different things. Hoping and praying for a movie doesn't work without money.

We're not hoping and praying. The people behind it already have the money, I think. All we have to do is collect signatures and prove that a lot of people are interested in seeing a Denny movie

I signed it.

If you're serious about collecting signatures, I would say to spread the word elsewhere. You're only going to get so many people to sign it here.
Try branching out.

Thanks for the support, and yea we have branched out already and still working at it  ;D

Ahead of you there. Posted it around Facebook on many BB's related pages, as well as YouTube. Jess is working on spreading the petition around Tumblr I think

Sign sealed delivered

In case you didn't see my reply on Tumblr, I already signed through my Facebook account. I also just posted the petition on Tumblr this morning.

Great News thank you so much!  ;D

I'm all for a Dennis biopic and I'd gladly sign the petition.

"We feel that Dennis deserves a biopic. Everyone is aware of his elder genius brother Brian, but not too many people are aware of the second-most talented Beach Boy."

Gotta say, though, the "second-most talented Beach Boy" in my opinion, is Carl Wilson.  And it's really not that close.

4th Wilson Bro. , you are in for a world of hurt from the two who started this petition.



Can we all agree that the Wilson brothers are a holy trinity of awesomeness. :rock

That's ok thanks for your support though  ;D

world of hurt huh  :lol that's laughable

I readily agree!

In terms of singing, Carl was the greatest Beach Boy, hands down.
In terms of Guitar, I'd say it's either Carl or David.

Not to mention in terms of Leadership, Carl was the leader in the early-70's.

But in terms of Songwriting, Dennis was the second-most talented. And it's really no contest.

But I agreew with SMiLE Brian, they're all awesome!

Biopic or documentary? I don't think  I'm interested in either, but a small, tasteful documentary would be okay.

I'm pretty sure it's a biopic based on the Documentary

no it's gonna be an expanded version of the documentary the biopic is out

when we first made this it was focusing on reworking the biopic, but then we changed it to expanding the documentary which a lot of people want to see happen.

Wait, will the expanded version of the documentary be a movie?

right

Not really sure how this was assumed or projected. Jess/Retrokid/Littlebird contacted me to support their petition to "get the Drummer film made". I explained very clearly that I'm not a fan of biopics and that I'd prefer to see the Real Beach Boy Documentary get revamped into an expanded two-hour version. We've been trying to gain some momentum towards doing that for a long time. I never said that i wanted to turn it into a "movie". I think this could be a semantics issue, or maybe an over-enthusiasm issue, not sure...but I (Jon Stebbins) want a longer and more developed documentary. Not a biopic. Here's my orig. message to Retro/Jess/littlebird...the folks behind this petition drive...

I still think there's a good chance a Dennis film could get made one day...but I'm not really a fan of biopics. I'd prefer it if there was a plan to expand the Real Beach Boy documentary into a 90 minute or two hour version. We've been advocating and trying to make head-way towards getting that done for years, and it's been a very tough hurdle

So that seems pretty clear, not sure how this was twisted into us wanting to make it into a "movie". I assume by movie they mean biopic. This is not a put-down. I love passionate and enthusiastic people. I admire their energy and enthusiasm. Let's just be clear, and be on the same page. You might want a biopic. That's cool. I want a longer and more developed documentary.

That's fine by me as well!
I wasn't aware about the full message as Jess simply told me that you were interested in turning the documentary into a movie.
But I'd love to see it either way!

Yup we changed the petition to expanding the documentary there was just some miscommunication  :)

Has there ever been a two hour long documentary done on Brian or the Beach Boys? I'm not sure how you could fill two hours on Dennis and hold the interest of a non Dennis or non Beach Boys fan. If you filled it with music, the rights costs would be prohibitive. That alone would be a limiting factor.

I dunno... he had a very interesting life. Like life under Murry, his initial success with the Beach Boys, his increasing songwriting skill, Charles Manson, all the girls he was with, his slow decline, You Are So Beautiful, Pacific Ocean Blue, Denny vs Mike, his relationship with the rest of the Beach Boys, Bambu, Stan Love and Rocky Pamplin (as sad as that is), Christine McVie, Shawn Love, his death, etc.

I think it could be done, but that's just my opinion

Besides most Beach Boys documentaries I've seen are Brian centered and "Love and Mercy" is gonna be centered around him.  so this is gonna be different

Exactly, and there's been many long Beach Boys documentaries like An American Band and Endless Harmony and all that.
I think Denny deserves a detailed, accurate documentary just as much as Brian

Depends on what you mean by documentary, but each "Brian Wilson: Songwriter" DVD is around 2-3 hours long. I'm certain a 2 hour Dennis documentary could hold any anyone's attention.

An extended version of The Real Beach Boy would be incredible. Would there be any chance that a 2 hour version could be released on DVD? It kills me that over the years The Real Beach Boy has only been available to view on Japanese websites and, more recently, youtube. I know there were issues with money, rights, etc...could those hurdles be jumped this time around?

that would be great too, but wouldn't it be neat if they showed it in theaters though?

Indeed. No matter how it's initially released (whether in a theatre or on the BBC again), it would be great if a physical copy could be available for purchase at some point.

It would suck if it wasn't. I'd love to get a copy on Blu-Ray!

'Dennis Wilson: The Real Beach Boy' from 2008 is my go to Dennis documentary. Very well done IMO. Aside from maybe some extended music segments, is there anything else to be achieved by making another program?

Thanks for the nice comment. FYI The Real Beach Boy premiered on BBC TV in 2010. Whomever posted it on Youtube mistakenly put it at 2008...now of course thousands of people believe that was the date of it's release. But 2010 is correct.

Thanks for the comment. A physical release would be the goal, as well as a festival or art house screen run. That was always the plan with an expanded version. A 90 minute version for the festivals, and a two-hour home DVD version. We've made progress toward that and then have seen it go through our hands like sand. Multiple times. Some major entities were getting behind it after it's highly successful run on BBC TV...it was nominated for a British TV award. The Drummer film came about, which caused some of the chips that were leaning towards us to be thrown in on that project. Now that the Drummer film is not happening I'm starting get some people calling again about the Dennis documentary and the potential expansion and re-release. But yes major hurdles remain, rights issues, financial concerns etc... Our production team is intact and ready to go at it again using the orig. version as our template. An expanded version would have more music, more footage, more details about DW's life and art. A home version might even have some unreleased music in it. But this is on a pure specualation level at this point. Enjoy the orig. 2010 cut...We're very proud of it. Thanks to all, including Retro and Littlebird for the interest in the film and in Dennis.

Jon,
What happens once the petition is signed?

I am unfamiliar with how this type of thing works, so I'd like to understand a bit more so I can make an informed decision.

I hope to be recording music soon for another film project, but a petition is not something I am familiar with.

This is gonna get me in trouble...

Let's get this out of the way. The quality of Dennis' Beach Boys' music was second only to Brian's, and his solo album is second to none; no other BB solo album even comes close to Pacific Ocean Blue. Dennis' life was fascinating and a human tragedy. It should be documented/shared/viewed on film.

I really enjoyed The Real Beach Boy documentary; it's very good. But, since the topic came up....If there is going to be another Dennis Wilson filmed project, I would like to see a one hour documentary. If it is one hour long with commercials, how many minutes of actual material is that? Forty-five or forty-seven minutes? On the music side, Dennis only released a dozen or so songs with The Beach Boys and one solo album. On the personal side you have his lifestyle, the Manson thing, his relationships/marriages, and his addictions. A good documentarian should be able to cover everything artistically and efficiently in one hour.

I'd like to see something that could be shown on VH1 or whatever in a one hour time slot. You always have room for any extra bonus material like full song performances on the physical DVD. Most documentaries don't show entire songs anyway. I don't wanna just come out and say that Dennis' life doesn't warrant more than an hour, I don't mean to infer that. As a BB diehard I'd like a three hour documentary! But, sometimes the best documentaries are the tightly woven, right-to-the-point, no fluff ones.

Many thanks to Justin! (Punkinhead)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1RJ1hI5DmQ&feature=youtu.be

Thanks for the correction Jon. Yeah, I referenced the YT links for the date.

Credit also to the BBC for such a fine product I'm guessing?

No problem folks!
Always glad to help.
As my video says, i am more than willing to help with any fan's projects.
Contact me through any means necessary for help via YT video promotion.

I second that  ;D  we really appreciate it

SO. The person you know is Jon Stebbins?

he didn't reveal the name at first because we talked to him in a PM but then Jon came on here and told everyone so

I think you're making the assumption this is my petition...it is not. I have no clue how or if it works.

we were gonna send it to you after we reach the goal  :)

Added my signature. Even if there aren't going to be 1.000/more votes, it's still a good idea. Well done, Rei & Jess! (Although I disagree about getting the documentary in Blu-Ray, it's a very expensive format, hate to lose much money.)

Seems like the whole idea behind the petition is confused, and even changes every now and then.

To me, the original 2010 documentary was superb, well-judged and the duration was perfect. If there's more to be said, make a self-contained follow-up.

A physical release of the 2010 documentary would be lapped up, especially if it could be done in conjunction with a release of the 2004 Wouldn't It Be Nice documentary.  Both were backed by the BBC, if I remember right?

The idea for this "petition" changes by the hour.  Better for Jon to ignore it and just continue his work on DW projects independently.

Sorry, but I think Mr. Stebbins can decide for himself whether ignore this petition or not. And what is so difficult about adding a vote? No one will lose anything by doing so. As I've said, if it doesn't work, so be it. If yes - then good will to have your help among collective signings.

The truth of the matter behind that is simple, yet devastating: Miscommunication and as a result Misunderstanding.
The original plan was for a new Denny biopic, which we quickly realized wasn't the best idea for reasons already stated.
Jess got in touch with Jon, and she told her about his intention to expand the Real Beach Boy documentary. She didn't show me the original message and we both misunderstood think he meant a film based on the documentary. Then Jon explained things here, and that's when we changed it the third and final time.

I'm sorry to you all for all the misunderstandings which in a way was beyond my control, and hopefully we can get back on track with this petition!


No need to worry. Mr. Stebbins fully supports us and has commended us for our efforts.

I don't know what I voting for, by tomorrow this could be a petition to buy the harmony or build a DW statue.

You are voting for the expanded version of "The Real Beach Boy" documentary (2-hour or sth.).

It's like you're completely ignoring my comments.
Frankly, you're spamming on this thread, and Jess and I don't appreciate it at all.

I'm going to ask you very kindly, please stop spamming my thread.

I agree, why not cut some slack to 2 young enthusiastic fans who try doing sth. useful, not that back & forth quoting stuff like on other threads, at least. And did anyone actually read that Mr. Stebbins appreciates their idea & even had some talks with them via PMs? Exactly.

Guys, just my opinion but tbh I think ye need to bin this petition and take some time out and plan what you want to do properly. Even the basic introduction to the petition is poorly worded and real amateur hour stuff. You both are obviously really enthusiastic but it just seems ye jumped into this without any real thought.

I suppose you have a point. But as I said the main reason for all these issues have been miscommunication and misunderstandings.
I'm currently considering doing just that. But first I've got to talk to Jess about all this, and then we'll see what happens :)

All these constant revisions back up woody's point of how poorly thought out this petition is.

For the last time: Miscommunication and Misunderstandings were the cause of the revisions.
I really don't want to explain that again...

So you are going to send the petition to Jon?  He has already said that he wants to see this expanded documentary get done.  Aren't you preaching to the choir?

If Dennis Wilson The Real Beach Boy gets turned into a movie who will play Jon?

AGD gets a cameo in the BBs 1985 scene since he was there in real life.

I told the director I'm available, but he said I'm not a good fit for that role. They want somebody more Stebbinssy.

Remember when we stumbled into the Stamos movie looking very much from the wrong decade? 

http://thejonstebbins.com/beach-boys-an-american-family.html 

(Darn it!  Where's your version of that story???)

Thanks for your support  ;D

obviously you have nothing better to do with your time.  if you don't support the petition then why come back on here?  >:( and um maybe instead of a Dennis statue or buying the harmony, we should try to reopen  Radiant Radish  ::)

 I think Springsteen does a good Stebbins....

I just received a notification that I signed a petition to release an extended version of "The Real Beach Boy" doc... Although I never did such a thing. The e-mail is adressed to "Donald". Anyone else had this happen to them?

Would any new version of the doc cut out scenes where Jon Stebbins relentlessly chews gum despite being about 40 years too old to do so?   ;)

Same here, what is going on with this website and how did they get my private email?

Who used private data from my PMs to make me sign the petition? I never make my email known outside of PMs.

Some serious abuse of tbe Smiley board going on here by the sound of it. I think this thread needs putting out of its misery too.

Perhaps one or two people should be banned from the board. They're passive aggressive trolls, not the naive kids they claim to be.

This is a serious offense - and that it happened to another person is worrisome. Hopefully the mods can get this sorted out.

Should be pretty easy to figure out who it was assuming you rarely give your email out.

I did not sign up for this or merely click the link.
However, I just noticed two emails - one saying that I joined the petition site, and another saying I voted for the petition under my username.
This is really not cool, and I'd like to know what the deal is.

Ego, That is exactly what I got this morning. I have a really bad feeling about this.

Only someone who is Super-zealous about something would do such a thing... I can't imagine for the life of me who it could be.

And has been strangely silent today so far...

So are you saying you didn't post this?  :o

Hells to the no my good sir....

This is starting to approach sherryluvsbrian/denni in weirdness.

Alright. Now I'm pissed. What is Rab2591 doing on the signatures list for this petition?

I have not signed this/will never sign it, did not even click on link until just now.

Using personal emails to sign up for this petition, making fake profiles on this petition website to mirror that of users on Smiley Smile? Someone has got some explaining to do...

How does one view the list of signatures? Wondering whether "I" might have signed the darned thing…

.

^ :lol


http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-the-dennis-wilson-biopic (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-the-dennis-wilson-biopic)

Scroll down and click on recent signatures. You can't get a full list of the signatures though. A lot of screen-names from here are on the list, fyi. All of these names were added exactly 10 hours ago:

donald
Alan Smith
Amanda Hart
bgas
Wrightfan
Myk Luhv
rab2591

I would just like to thank everyone involved for keepin up this board's high quota of insanity.

You apparently made a comment in the comments section of the site:

Bubblyy Waves:
does my vote count?

Unless this is actually you.

I didn't sign it either - not cool guys.

The reason I didn't sign it in the first place was because I thought it was poorly thought out and pointless, since we know fan interest isn't the thing keeping something like this from getting made.

I understand you guys are exited about this idea and eager to help, but this isn't the way to do it and I hope you'll take this thing down.

These folks are not worth addressing as real people, because they're not. They're trolls, probably disgruntled former member(s), and you can take a guess as to who.  Everything they've posted has been idiotic, including the completely idiotic petition.

This is really tasteless. I will look into the possibility of removing "my" vote. Why call me "Donald" anyway????

If the people behind this are found, please ban them for life.

If it's true that anyone's email was poached or any fake signatures were forged then the whole thing should be sh*t-canned. I didn't ask for it. I didn't sign it. I tried to be nice about it. Can't be nice if people are fraudulently going for their goal. How do we confirm what is happening here?

HAven't been ANYWHERE near the petition and definitely didn't sign it.  
My take is if it's a smiley member who has fraudulently posted our names they should be immediately, permanently, banned.

Where's the MODs?

OH, just to be clear, I didn't visit the noted link above, just to be certain there's no instance of a visit to any petition site(s)

Aye, I saw that list of recents but would love to see the rest.

This is identity theft – small scale in this context but I can't believe that anyone would be so crass as to even dip their fingers into such a murky area.

That someone better explain, and fast.  I assume "Rei" and "Jess", those credited with starting the petition, will either down the signatures or be able to suggest what might be happening.

This is seriously f**ked up. I feel ashamed for signing the damn thing.

This has just been brought to my attention. Chuck, Billy, Joe, Klaas, and myself are not involved in any way, shape or form with this petition. We have also never given anyone's email addresses out to any third party. For those of you whose emails may have been used, change your passwords as soon as possible. Double check any social networks that may be linked to the email as well.

Little Bird and retrokid67 have 24 hours to explain themselves or they are both going to be banned. No "three strikes" rule this time - fucking around with people's email addresses is a one-way, one-shot ticket to the permaban. Your choice.

That was not me. Nice to be included, though.

I swear I have nothing to do with any of that and I'm just as confused as you guys are HONESTLY.  it was our idea to make it but Rei  is the one who created it because I told him I wouldn't know where to begin. the only thing I did was sign it and leave a comment and spread the word. I can't speak for Rei but I would never do anything like that just to get my way.  I'm not a troll, just a BB fan and I thought this could help motivate Jon to go through with it because he said that he was trying to tackle this project for years and the "Drummer" got in the way.  now that it's out of the way, Rei and I decided to make this.  I'm sorry to all of you who have been effected by this but I want to let you know that I myself have nothing to do with this  :( and I hope that Rei isn't the one doing it because it's not that serious.

Where is my torch and pitchfork when I need it? >:D

I also feel I need to add (found out after PMing a few members): an email address that was NEVER given out in PMs, or to anyone on the board (only used to sign up for the Smiley Smile board) was used to sign up for the petition site. Translate that however you want, but it makes me even more wary about this whole situation.

I'm not a troll either.

I'd like to explain that I had just gotten up and I had just logged on to find out about this.

I'm just as surprised as you guys are! I'd like to be perfectly honest and say I have no clue as to what is happening.
I'm noticing that people are saying we're fucking around with people's email addresses. I have no idea how that's happening.
Hell, I don't know sh*t about hacking and all this.

Please believe me, I'm not a troll, and I don't know how this is happening, and for whatever cause of this, I'd like to say i'm very sorry that this is happening to some people. And we would like some help in finding out what to do!

In fact at the moment, I'd deleting this petition, just so you know

I don't believe, you're a liar- Bob Dylan

I'm not a liar!

I'm not sure how I can prove it, but had I known this was going to happen I would never had made the petition

Go now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS3ixmsQgCk

i promise you guys I'm just as angry as you are! i just got home from school and saw all of these people saying  this and freaked out.   i tried telling Rei about the two i saw last night (which i thought was trolling because one includes the guy that's been against this since the beginning) but Rei hasn't responded to me yet.  i don't know what's going on but who's ever doing it needs to stop even if it's him!  >:(

Agreed that it needs to stop, whomever is behind it.

 the last commenter wrote "Disgruntled Poster
The petition creator is a complete f-wad. Jerk."

We need AGD's sleuthing skills for this case.

Those whose emails were stolen should contact the site ipetitions.com. They'll have the IP address stored for whomever signed the petition under that email address, and that person obviously would have signed the petition under that IP address under their real email address first.

Then it will be very obvious who stole the email addresses.

I just found out that the only way to delete the petition is to send an email to iPetition asking to delete it. I've already sent the email and I'm waiting for it to be deleted.
If you don't believe me, check the iPetition FAQ

Good idea. If anyone does get a IP address from iPetitions, send it to one of the mods and they can match it up with the IP addresses of the users here. Hopefully this works.

If they don't delete everything, when they delete the petition itself.

Because this petition has been a disaster. Had I known something like this would happen, I never would have done it

I think what bgas is saying is that if you delete it they may not be able to retrieve an IP address to discern who was responsible for the false identities.

Somebody covering their tracks much?

Def a possibility. Can anyone other than the petition creators retrieve the IP addresses of those who signed?

As far as I know, the petition creators can't retrieve IP's.

you seem to trying close the matter quickly.

Why don't you believe anything I say?

Someone DID post "OSD for president!, yeah. But seriously, I would like to apologize to retrokid and rockno1fan for my buttholeish attitude."

Shame the petition has to go, it was so close to 100

I just assumed SMiLE Brian did, mainly because no one else calls my by my old username which I haven't used in a long time

100 what?

100 fake signatures.

but someone also posted "Disgruntled Poster
The petition creator is a complete f-wad. Jerk." it be weird if Rei said that about himself

Exactly  :lol

this is nothing to joke about  :-\ none of those people deserved that

I know, it sucks  :-\

it does it was going so well before all this crap happened, a lot of people believed in it. :(  I think we all deserve this treat and it shouldn't have to be destroyed by some a**hole hacker  >:(

Yes...if you contact iPetitions and they provide you with an email address or an IP, please forward the information to me.

I'm going to say this one time...I *will* find out who did it. If I find out that it was someone from the board, I'm not going to be happy to say the least. So, here's the thing...

THIS IS YOUR LAST ATTEMPT TO 'FESS UP TO ME IF YOU DID IT. PM me privately, and you will remain anonymous. If I am not contacted within 24 hours and I find out it is a board member, said board member will not only be banned for life but will also face legal repercussions to the fullest extent of the law. I'm not playing. So, if you've done the deed, now's the chance to come clean.

Just want to make sure, did you get my message Billy?

If you didn't, I maintain my full innocence. I'm actually disgusted that someone did this!

I sure did... I have a few leads right now.

For those of you who have received emails and did not sign this petition, please PM me privately. I have some questions...

I sent another e-mail to iPetitions concerning the stolen e-mail addresses.

Here is what I sent:

"This morning I requested to cancel this petition:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-the-dennis-wilson-biopic

However, I was wondering if it was possible for you to investigate if some E-mail addresses that have been hacked under the name Donald via IP address. The suspicious e-mail addresses which have signed the petition are:
SMiLE Brian
EgoHanger1966
Rab2591
Alan Smith
Amanda Hart
bgas
Wrightfan
Myk Luhv
Bubbly Waves
The people who actually own these addresses claim they didn't sign.
However, they are all from the Smiley Smile Message Board.
It would be great if you can help me out, as I am in a bit of trouble from these people because of this petition. They think I stole the e-mail addresses.

Regards,
Rei."

Hopefully, I would recieve a reply that helps resolve this situation.

Oh, I didn't even know I had "signed" this since, of course, I didn't and I don't think I even use the email address associated with my account here any more.

Seriously, I don't get the attack that Little Bird and Retrokid are facing. And not only in this subject. If I understood correctly, anything doesn't point towards them. And why would they want to wreck their own petition? Doesn't make any sense. I'd start checking the people who have been pissed for them for any reason in the last couple weeks. Anyway, I hope this gets solved.

I don't think it is them either.

I thought the Dennis Doc from a few years back was the definitive word on the guy and his life. I'm not sure how a movie about the guy would play out to be honest. We all know how the story ends and it's not a happy one. Of course I would backtrack on my above statement in a second if a movie would result in archive Dennis material being exhumed. Obviously some person out there wants a movie made about him at any cost.

I've said it before. There is only room for one Wilson movie this year and its 'Love and Mercy'. We know a Dennis character will be in it and who knows, maybe a lot that would be covered in a DW movie will feature, for better or worse.

this was gonna be an expanded version of the Real Beach Boy Documentary not a movie (it's just that we thought it would be cool to show it in the theaters)

I got a reply from IPetitions saying:

"Hello,

I have attached the csv file with email addresses.
We do not have IP trackers linked to specific signatures, so we don't know which signature has which IP addresses. Please note that it is rather easy to change one's IP address, either by ipconfig reset or if someone has a dynamic server (which changes the address every time you log in/out or disconnect/connect), and such address can point out to one specific (wide) area, but you cannot compare it against someone's personal info without the assistance of service provider (which they will not do without a court order).
Essentially, as said before, anyone can sign a petition and enter a bogus address, or someone else's address if they know it, so you can explain to the owners of the falsely used addresses that you had nothing to do with that (and that their email accounts have not been jeopardized).
Thank you."

So the only way to find out the IP addresses is by asking the service provider, which can only be done with a court order.

I don't mind taking it to the next step and inform the authorities, but because it happened inside this forum, I think it's better if one of the moderators takes it to the next step if necessary.

However, I am prepared to take it to the next step without hesitation!

If anyone who has been affected but has yet to report, please let me or the moderators know ASAP.

My name is on this 'petition' and I certainly didn't sign it. I haven't had any emails but someone has some explaining to do.

Thanks for letting us know Paulos, and I apologize that this happened to you on my petition.

Believe me, at the end we will find out who did this and give him the perma-ban he deserves!

What's going on now?  The thread's name's change, the OPP's name's changed and the OPP's avatar' changed.  The petition's still online tho' – that's not changed.

Does this mean you now have my (and everyone else's) private email address?

Or were you just given the email's of the users you mentioned?

Not a good time to be changing usernames and thread titles...

The person did send me the csv file containing the email of everyone who signed. So yes I do, but really I don't care if I do or not. What I do care about is to get to the bottom of this sh*t.


I changed the thread title as a message to the arsehole who hacked the victim's email addresses.


Well I was going to change my username and avatar anyway.
The petition hasn't been deleted yet, and it hasn't been deleted because I've been in contact with iPetitions concerning this incident and I don't want to delete the petition until we find out who hacked those email addresses. Got a feeling that won't happen until the Police get involved, so we'll see :)

*sigh* my email is all over the place now.

As it turns out, their terms and condition state that the user who started the petition will receive your information.
http://www.ipetitions.com/faq#signers_01

"Even if you check this box, we will never release your email address or other information to any third party. The only other person or group who will receive your information is the host of the petition you have signed. iPetitions cannot control how that individual or group uses your information, but we take privacy violations very seriously and if you suspect that your information is being misused, we urge you to contact us immediately with all the relevant information. You can read more about our privacy policies here."

Dang

No one is gonna "get busted" judging by the feedback you are receiving from ipetition. No ip tracking puts an end to that. Opening a police case? drama, drama, drama........this is a whole load of bull.....

What I simply don't understand is all the negative comments against me when really I'm only trying to help with this situation. Some people still treat me like I'm the one who did that sh*t. It's very sad to see your petition being signed with fake signatures, and the victims of the fake signatures blame it on me even though I didn't do it. Believe me, I'm completely disgusted about what happened, and it was actually Billy's idea to get the police involved. If he does, I'll support it 100%. I want to find out who did this!

Listen, I'm pretty sure I believe that it wasn't you that did all this. However, you gotta realize that this "petition" was gonna do dick about getting this Dennis documentary/movie/whatever made. It's not like if we get enough signatures the President is gonna mandate that the movie has to be made. So I think the reason that this is pissing a lot of us off is that we thought it was a stupid idea in the first place, and now our email addresses have been used against our will. It's a pain in the ass.

This.

Seriously Rockno1fan/Bird in a Tree/Jarhead/whatever - you can't act surprised when people get pissed at you for not thoroughly thinking your posts through. Because it leads to sh*t like this. I mean, police involvement? I'm all for it, but police could be out catching actual criminals instead of looking up an IP address for someone who forged signatures on a petition that was headed for failure from the start.

Don't worry, officer Jughead is on the case to find who did this. I am seriously pissed about this whole mess.

Weren't there only two people who seemed enthused about this petition from the start? I think that's why everyone still assumes it's one of those two people.

I signed because I'm not against the idea of the documentary. Its not something I actively want (like a reissue of Stebbins' book), but why not sign it anyway...even if the statement written for the iPetition page looked like it had been hastily typed in 2 minutes by a kid...which really didn't give off the best impression of the project from the start. But then of course the whole thing had to be spammed around the board.
Who was the petition appealing to anyway?

it would be a stupid idea for a person who created a petition to ruin it by adding false signatures and hacking other people's emails   :-\. I was particularly happy when we only had 30 votes.  it might have been written amateurish but we both explained here that this was supposed to motivate Jon Stebbins.  The expanded documentary is his project that was being held up by "The Drummer".  the petition was to help get the word out there.  and it seems that the only people who've gotten hacked came from this board.  >:( I am just as angry as everyone else if not more because this wasn't intended for all of this and I nearly got kicked off the board for something I KNOW I didn't do and Rei claims he didn't either.

because it was

So you put up a petition to "motivate" Jon Stebbins? Here's an idea, send him a personal message and "motivate" him yourself.

And I'm pretty sure you weren't involved in the whole email scandal, but here's the thing, you and your buddy did start the petition and annoyed the a whole lot of the board with it. So it annoys a lot of a us that you guys keep talking about how mad you are. It's wonderful, you're upset too, great. My advice to both of you though would probably be to lay low and stop posting unless you actually have something to add on this topic.

I actually did give him a personal message and I for one wasn't trying to annoy anybody and if I did I'm sorry it wasn't my intent I'm just sick of being falsely accused  by others

They say the "road to hell is paved with good intentions." However well-meaning, trying to get signatures, from a internet source, which does not use "real names" to exert pressure of some type upon a documentarian, seems ill-placed.  And, I love the passion of some of the newer fans, and am flattered that young people would choose the music of the first and second generation BB fans.  Notwithstanding, that music is universal. It shows these fans have an open mind as far as music is concerned and we surely could have used your passion for the music a while back, during the "drought."

There is a "Brian" movie this year.  The marketplace can only take so much "saturation." When I heard that there were TWO movies, it struck me as just over-the-top, and not because there isn't a "story" with Dennis that is not only important to be told, but that most long-time fans would be delighted to see, if well-done, not sensationalized, and which highlights what Dennis "brought to the table" from the inception of the band.  But, timing is everything, and this is not the year for a Dennis movie, with resources advancing a movie about Brian.  And, I'm not looking for a soap opera on Dennis, but for a story that captures his place in the band, the excitement he conjured among fans, for a sport, for car racing on the side, and for composing that appears to be largely "self-taught" when he wasn't taken seriously, in the earlier days.

It seems a little too much "high drama" to have credibility, with this petition, as many people have VPN's and use Tor browsers so people can mask their true IP address.  This is hardly a matter for the FBI, or police, who could probably ascertain whose computer generated the emails and apparently hacked email addresses. 

It is annoying to me to see thread titles change as well as names, because I think it is deceptive, in this tempest-in-a-teapot controversy.  A little "under the radar" time might not be a bad idea for those involved, as suggested above.    ;)

Maybe this thread should be deleted entirely? There is no more petition. The petition was a dumb idea to begin with. Why would you petition one person, especially since that person already agrees he'd like to expand the documentary? It's pointless. Not to mention the fact it is completely unrealistic that this movie would ever be released in theaters, if that was the idea (which seems to be one of many different ideas that were floated here). There's no marketplace for it. For a DVD, yes. Or perhaps a one-off theatrical presentation for an evening at one independent rep theater in a major city such as LA or NY. But that it will ever be distributed across the country in the local multiplexes? It won't happen. If Brian has major producers backing his film and he has been having a hard time finding a distributor, you can bet an independent documentary without major backing doesn't have a chance.

Throw it in the sandbox I reckon

Perhaps a petition should be started to have this thread deleted?

I am guessing a "former" member of the board did this. There seems to have been no actual hacking. If your profile has your email displayed publicly,  it is there for anyone, member or not, to copy and use. I would advise those affected to make their email addresses private.

I think that might be mystery solved. I notice its says "hidden" when not logged in.

Not sure. I checked a couple victims profiles when I wasn't logged in and their email addys were still displayed. I do see that some of the victims emails are private. They may have changed it as a result of this. If not, then ya got me. Even a board member can't see a private email addy.

Agree with Kittykat's "delete" proposal though I hope the mods won't be hasty over this - let's not do anything rash to prevent a re-occurance like imposing a minimum age for board use, or insisting on parental permission or anything …

I guess. But it was Billy's idea to contact the police, and I happen to strongly support. Not only will it clear my name as well as Jess's once and for all, but it will reveal who did this. Don't the victims want that?

I suppose the petition should have been thought out more instead of being released prematurely. And to be fair, the petition got at least over 50 real signatures before all this mess happened. So it wasn't entirely headed for failure.

Judging by people's attitudes on this thread, I'm just going to leave this case to the mods entirely. What happens, happens.

As Jess said just before, I'm sorry for annoying a lot of people, it was never our intention at all.

Just so you all know, The Petition won't be deleted until we find out who it was, cops or no cops. The mods will take it from here, because I've had it with the whole situation.

No need to move it to the Sandbox. It's about time I lock this thread