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Title: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: pixletwin on February 11, 2014, 12:48:13 PM Quote Carl and the Passions "So Tough" is the eighteenth studio album by American rock band The Beach Boys, released on May 15, 1972. Initial pressings of the album included Pet Sounds as a bonus record. The album is frequently considered a transitional album for the band, with the addition of Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar on guitar and drums, respectively, and long-time member Bruce Johnston departing during its initial sessions. It's been speculated that Carl and the Passions "So Tough" was either scheduled to be released, or re-released, as a single album. A Warner/Reprise catalogue number, MS 2090, had been assigned to this single disc release, but nothing came of it. The album was released as a standalone album in Europe on Reprise Records. The title of the album was a reference to an early band Carl Wilson had been in as a teenager. It was also the first album released under a new deal with Warner Bros. that allowed the company to distribute all future Beach Boys product in foreign as well as domestic markets. Welcome back to the a new round of BEACH BOYS SURVIVOR. Remember to be respectful of others opinions. Please don't spam the thread with too much opinionating (a little is ok ;D).... and without further ado... VOTE OFF YOUR LEAST FAVORITE TRACK!!! Tally on February 13th!!! You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone Here She Comes He Come Down Marcella Hold On Dear Brother Make It Good All This Is That Cuddle Up My least favorite is... Hold On Dear Brother. It just drags for me. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: bluesno1fann on February 11, 2014, 12:50:24 PM He Come Down.
Can't stand Gospel, and Can't stand BB's doing Gospel. Only song I really skip off this album. Though I wouldn't be surprised it Make It Good goes first, I'd be happy if it goes after He Come Down! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: The Dumb Angel on February 11, 2014, 12:56:04 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: Domino on February 11, 2014, 12:58:12 PM Hold On Dear Brother
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: Quzi on February 11, 2014, 01:21:52 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: Alan Smith on February 11, 2014, 01:36:51 PM Wake up, Dear Brother
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: G.C on February 11, 2014, 01:39:29 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 11, 2014, 01:48:08 PM "Hold On, Dear Brother," no contest.
In spite of the embarrassing lyrics, "He Come Down" might be my favorite song on this album. Great rhythm, lead vocal and harmonies. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: Please delete my account on February 11, 2014, 01:57:43 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: The Shift on February 11, 2014, 02:07:21 PM Hold On Dear Brother
This is going to be a toughie though some of my favourite BBs tracks reside on this album. If you asked for favourites first instead of least favourites though, it'd be a doddle! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: Marcella on February 11, 2014, 02:11:22 PM Hold On Dear Brother
This is going to be a toughie though some of my favourite BBs tracks reside on this album. If you asked for favourites first instead of least favourites though, it'd be a doddle! Can't agree with ya there--not my fave album and I'm in a rush to get rid of several tracks here. Compared to Sunflower this album is the polar opposite for me--the first track that needs to go is He Come Down Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: The Shift on February 11, 2014, 02:13:04 PM Hold On Dear Brother
This is going to be a toughie though some of my favourite BBs tracks reside on this album. If you asked for favourites first instead of least favourites though, it'd be a doddle! Can't agree with ya there--not my fave album and I'm in a rush to get rid of several tracks here. Compared to Sunflower this album is the polar opposite for me--the first track that needs to go is He Come Down Took me years to develop the right ear for some of it but it's up there! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: startBBtoday on February 11, 2014, 02:13:51 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: Marcella on February 11, 2014, 02:15:30 PM Took me years to develop the right ear for some of it but it's up there! I do agree that its a good album, just not a good BB album for me. That said, I do given it a relatively regular listen--it's a nice change of pace every once in awhile Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 11, 2014, 02:25:28 PM Fascinating to see the responses so far. I absolutely love He Come Down. I guess it comes from liking a lot of soul and gospel music before getting hooked on the BBs. Incredible vocal performance by the guys!
I'll vote for Make It Good -- nothing particularly against it but it's one of the less distinctive tracks. I have trouble even remembering what it sounds like. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: Sam_BFC on February 11, 2014, 02:33:26 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: mikeyj on February 11, 2014, 02:47:07 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: EgoHanger1966 on February 11, 2014, 02:48:24 PM Make It Good.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: musicismylife101 on February 11, 2014, 02:49:48 PM Hold On Dear Brother
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: baseball95 on February 11, 2014, 02:50:59 PM Hold On Dear Brother
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: Dudd on February 11, 2014, 02:51:42 PM Ah, probably He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: Gertie J. on February 11, 2014, 03:04:33 PM yes please ^
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions \ Post by: Nicko1234 on February 11, 2014, 03:08:23 PM Hold on Dear Brother
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: TimeToGetAlone on February 11, 2014, 03:33:04 PM Make It Good. I actually don't think of these songs are bad, but there are only three that I love.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: beacharg on February 11, 2014, 03:37:39 PM Here she comes.
Btw, I love He come down :( Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gabo on February 11, 2014, 03:46:37 PM Make it Good.
It's really bad. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Catbirdman on February 11, 2014, 04:32:09 PM Love 'em all but have to vote Hold On, Dear Brother.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Shady on February 11, 2014, 05:05:11 PM Make it good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Emdeeh on February 11, 2014, 05:20:10 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Moon Dawg on February 11, 2014, 06:38:09 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Mike's Beard on February 11, 2014, 07:34:20 PM Make it Good. One of the few really bad BB tracks from this era.
Title: Post by: zachrwolfe on February 11, 2014, 09:05:19 PM
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Fall Breaks on February 11, 2014, 10:09:55 PM HODB
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: shelter on February 11, 2014, 10:24:11 PM Hold On Dear Brother.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: chrs_mrgn on February 11, 2014, 10:44:36 PM Hold On Dear Brother, one of my least favorite beach boys tracks.
I dont understand the hate for He Come Down I think it's pretty grand. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 11, 2014, 11:05:00 PM He Come Down
I don't care for TM, forgivable when a song is as good as All I Wanna Do, less so when a song is as weak as this. There's good bits (and bad bits!) but it just really goes on far too long and the middle meanders all over the place. And the production is poor. (Incidentally, I really hope Cuddle Up wins, a) because it's the finest track on the album, and b) to make up for poor Denny getting robbed in the Odds & Ends 3 round. Fingers crossed). Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Phoenix on February 12, 2014, 02:36:47 AM Cuddle Up
Yawn! It goes nowhere. It's also a shame that the album's best track ("Here She Comes") is gonna get voted off early because it wasn't written by a founding member. ::) Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Matt H on February 12, 2014, 04:38:27 AM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: 2 and a half on February 12, 2014, 04:51:37 AM All This Is That - they should have given this song to the Teletubbies
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: leggo of my ego on February 12, 2014, 06:33:06 AM All This Is That - they should have given this song to the Teletubbies + 1 for me. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: feelsflow on February 12, 2014, 12:30:16 PM Yeah right, that is most likely the song that will win. There are no weak tracks, this Round Should be called Just "So Tough" instead of #22.
. Let's get it started with "Hold On, Dear Brother." Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on February 12, 2014, 05:17:30 PM My 3rd favourite Beach Boys album, but MAKE IT GOOD was always problematic - I can't understand a single word in the song!
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 12, 2014, 05:40:50 PM Cuddle Up Yawn! It goes nowhere. It's also a shame that the album's best track ("Here She Comes") is gonna get voted off early because it wasn't written by a founding member. ::) I agree, Here She Comes is an excellent song. In fact I really like all the songs off this underrated album, except He Come Down of course. My 3rd favourite Beach Boys album, but MAKE IT GOOD was always problematic - I can't understand a single word in the song! The music off Make It Good is excellent, just brilliant. Can't say the same about the lyrics. Really just Dennis saying I Love You over and over again. It's definitely one of Dennis's weaker songs and one of this album's weaker songs, but it's still not as bad as He Come Down. But Music is subjective, so... Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: chrs_mrgn on February 12, 2014, 08:58:33 PM Votes for All This Is That in the first round?! I'm pretty positive that track will win, easily the best on this album IMO even though it stands out like the sore thumb.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 12, 2014, 11:03:40 PM Votes for All This Is That in the first round?! I'm pretty positive that track will win, easily the best on this album IMO even though it stands out like the sore thumb. Not 'easily' best. I'd say it's 2nd or 3rd best. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 13, 2014, 07:26:15 AM Tally comin' in 3 1/2! :o
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 13, 2014, 11:18:47 AM Quote Carl and the Passions "So Tough" is the eighteenth studio album by American rock band The Beach Boys, released on May 15, 1972. Initial pressings of the album included Pet Sounds as a bonus record. The album is frequently considered a transitional album for the band, with the addition of Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar on guitar and drums, respectively, and long-time member Bruce Johnston departing during its initial sessions. It's been speculated that Carl and the Passions "So Tough" was either scheduled to be released, or re-released, as a single album. A Warner/Reprise catalogue number, MS 2090, had been assigned to this single disc release, but nothing came of it. The album was released as a standalone album in Europe on Reprise Records. The title of the album was a reference to an early band Carl Wilson had been in as a teenager. It was also the first album released under a new deal with Warner Bros. that allowed the company to distribute all future Beach Boys product in foreign as well as domestic markets. Welcome back to the a new round of BEACH BOYS SURVIVOR. Remember to be respectful of others opinions. Please don't spam the thread with too much opinionating (a little is ok ;D).... and without further ado... This was a close one, but in the end we just couldn't Hold On to Dear Brother. (http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/smilies/survivor.gif) VOTE OFF YOUR LEAST FAVORITE TRACK!!! Tally on February 13th!!! You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone Here She Comes He Come Down Marcella Make It Good All This Is That Cuddle Up Round#1 - Hold On Dear Brother February 13 My least favorite is... Here She Comes. It just doesn't feel like the Beach Boys to me. Good song though. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions – So Tough! Post by: Gabo on February 13, 2014, 11:22:44 AM Make It Good.
One of the worst songs I've ever heard, musically and lyrically. It's either ridiculously lazy, or a failed experiment. It just doesn't sound like a finished composition. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Matt H on February 13, 2014, 11:31:33 AM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 13, 2014, 11:35:41 AM Mess of Help. It's a well-written song in need of better production, and Carl's vocal sounds like he's trying too hard.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Please delete my account on February 13, 2014, 11:40:59 AM EDIT: I mean He Come Down. I have to turn it down when it comes on lest my neighbours think I've joined a cult. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 13, 2014, 11:41:58 AM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on February 13, 2014, 11:44:06 AM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: The Dumb Angel on February 13, 2014, 11:48:59 AM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: musicismylife101 on February 13, 2014, 12:00:04 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Domino on February 13, 2014, 12:00:40 PM Make it good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Fall Breaks on February 13, 2014, 12:24:18 PM Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: shelter on February 13, 2014, 12:35:03 PM Here She Comes.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: baseball95 on February 13, 2014, 12:56:45 PM Here she comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Mike's Beard on February 13, 2014, 12:59:21 PM Make it good.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: EgoHanger1966 on February 13, 2014, 01:08:47 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: beacharg on February 13, 2014, 01:19:04 PM Here she comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: G.C on February 13, 2014, 01:28:56 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Alan Smith on February 13, 2014, 01:31:11 PM Make it Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 13, 2014, 01:36:16 PM He Come Down
I really liked Hold On Dear Brother Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Catbirdman on February 13, 2014, 01:57:12 PM I really do love the Blondie/Ricky stuff, and it pains me to vote for it, but it's up against stiff competition...
Here She Comes Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Sam_BFC on February 13, 2014, 02:43:03 PM I'll go with He Come Down again.
I must be in a minority...but I really enjoy Blondie's vocals on 'Brother', and the song does touch upon a subject that is deeply routed in the DNA of The Beach Boys' very existence, so was a little disappointed to see it go already!! Title: Post by: zachrwolfe on February 13, 2014, 02:59:09 PM
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: 2 and a half on February 13, 2014, 03:33:17 PM All This is That
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 13, 2014, 04:21:36 PM I must be in a minority...but I really enjoy Blondie's vocals on 'Brother', and the song does touch upon a subject that is deeply routed in the DNA of The Beach Boys' very existence, so was a little disappointed to see it go already!! My thoughts exactly. I find the song moving and the title line quite poignant when sung (beautifully) by the Beach Boys in particular. Would never guess it was peoples' least favorite, but hey, shows you what I know!Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on February 13, 2014, 04:35:38 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: feelsflow on February 13, 2014, 04:39:55 PM "Here She Comes" There She Goes... Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: startBBtoday on February 13, 2014, 04:56:38 PM He Come Down
I love Hold On Dear Brother. Probably my favorite song on the album. Or at least the one I listen to the most. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Emdeeh on February 13, 2014, 04:57:21 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Cabinessenceking on February 13, 2014, 05:11:33 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Quzi on February 13, 2014, 05:48:01 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: TimeToGetAlone on February 13, 2014, 05:49:24 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Marcella on February 13, 2014, 07:59:46 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Les P on February 13, 2014, 08:55:56 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 13, 2014, 10:44:05 PM Hold On Dear Brother is a lovely song - far better than Blondie and Ricky's other CATP song. Very surprised to see it go first. I was expecting Make It Good (which I adore but which a lot of people don't seem to get) or He Come Down.
Anyway, my vote goes to He Come Down. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Shady on February 14, 2014, 04:29:58 AM Make it good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: leggo of my ego on February 14, 2014, 07:19:25 AM This, that and the Other - until it come down. :p
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions – So Tough! Post by: Gabo on February 14, 2014, 10:31:22 AM Hold On Dear Brother is a lovely song - far better than Blondie and Ricky's other CATP song. Very surprised to see it go first. I was expecting Make It Good (which I adore but which a lot of people don't seem to get) or He Come Down. Anyway, my vote goes to He Come Down. Make It Good barely qualifies as a song. It's certainly not avant garde either... Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 14, 2014, 11:01:48 AM Hold On Dear Brother is a lovely song - far better than Blondie and Ricky's other CATP song. Very surprised to see it go first. I was expecting Make It Good (which I adore but which a lot of people don't seem to get) or He Come Down. Anyway, my vote goes to He Come Down. Make It Good barely qualifies as a song. It's certainly not avant garde either... So? Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: The Shift on February 14, 2014, 12:47:18 PM Make it Good is fabulous. In the opinion of plenty here. Lets leave it there? :D
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 14, 2014, 12:58:45 PM I love Make It Good. It's Big and Grand without being pretentious. It's unresolved. It's lush, yet raw.
It's not a pop song. It's not intended to be a pop song. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: retrokid67 on February 14, 2014, 01:03:53 PM I love Make It Good. It's Big and Grand without being pretentious. It's unresolved. It's lush, yet raw. It's not a pop song. It's not intended to be a pop song. completely agree ;D Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 14, 2014, 02:01:36 PM I love Make It Good. It's Big and Grand without being pretentious. It's unresolved. It's lush, yet raw. It's not a pop song. It's not intended to be a pop song. completely agree ;D Agreed. Ignore the lyrics, and the music is just... epic! I don't think Devin gets it Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: mikeyj on February 14, 2014, 02:10:42 PM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 14, 2014, 03:28:10 PM I love Make It Good. It's Big and Grand without being pretentious. It's unresolved. It's lush, yet raw. It's not a pop song. It's not intended to be a pop song. completely agree ;D Agreed. Ignore the lyrics, and the music is just... epic! I don't think Devin gets it I don't have to ignore the lyrics - I love all of it. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: retrokid67 on February 14, 2014, 03:40:11 PM I love Make It Good. It's Big and Grand without being pretentious. It's unresolved. It's lush, yet raw. It's not a pop song. It's not intended to be a pop song. completely agree ;D Agreed. Ignore the lyrics, and the music is just... epic! I don't think Devin gets it I don't have to ignore the lyrics - I love all of it. Yup he pretty much hates everything that Dennis ever did so, that's his loss :lol Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 14, 2014, 03:42:24 PM I love Make It Good. It's Big and Grand without being pretentious. It's unresolved. It's lush, yet raw. It's not a pop song. It's not intended to be a pop song. completely agree ;D Agreed. Ignore the lyrics, and the music is just... epic! I don't think Devin gets it I don't have to ignore the lyrics - I love all of it. Yup he pretty much hates everything that Dennis ever did so, that's his loss :lol Not everything. He likes Forever, Little Bird (I think), Never Learn Not To Love, and Slip On Through. But he hates most of Dennis's music... Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 14, 2014, 03:57:24 PM I love Make It Good. It's Big and Grand without being pretentious. It's unresolved. It's lush, yet raw. It's not a pop song. It's not intended to be a pop song. completely agree ;D Agreed. Ignore the lyrics, and the music is just... epic! I don't think Devin gets it I don't have to ignore the lyrics - I love all of it. I like it in the same way that I like some of the half-finished songs on Bambu (like "Are You Real" and "I Love You"); what's there is good, but it doesn't feel complete. The way it is on Carl and the Passions: So Tough it almost feels like a sneak preview of "Cuddle Up." Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Moon Dawg on February 15, 2014, 06:28:13 AM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gabo on February 15, 2014, 11:20:59 AM I love Make It Good. It's Big and Grand without being pretentious. It's unresolved. It's lush, yet raw. It's not a pop song. It's not intended to be a pop song. The song is like... nothing. Just some sustained chords and strained singing. It's not even as good as Be Still. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 15, 2014, 01:44:02 PM I love Make It Good. It's Big and Grand without being pretentious. It's unresolved. It's lush, yet raw. It's not a pop song. It's not intended to be a pop song. The song is like... nothing. Just some sustained chords and strained singing. It's not even as good as Be Still. Surely you can admit that at least Make It Good is beautiful musically. The singing may not be his best, but it's nowhere near his worst Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gabo on February 15, 2014, 03:41:47 PM I love Make It Good. It's Big and Grand without being pretentious. It's unresolved. It's lush, yet raw. It's not a pop song. It's not intended to be a pop song. The song is like... nothing. Just some sustained chords and strained singing. It's not even as good as Be Still. It's more cheesy than "beautiful." Like I said, there is no direction to the composition so it doesn't "go anywhere." It's more cheesy than "beautiful." Like I said, there is no direction to the composition so it doesn't "go anywhere." I just don't feel anything from the track. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 15, 2014, 03:51:03 PM Different strokes for different folks. I hate lima beans. My wife loves them. But no amount of "back 'n' forth" between is going to chane that. :lol
In any case, I will tally the votes in a few hours. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Phoenix on February 15, 2014, 06:13:16 PM Cuddle Up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 15, 2014, 07:03:57 PM I won't have time to tally tonight. Sorry folks. I'll do it in about 12 hours.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 16, 2014, 07:35:59 AM If Cuddle Up is the Darjeeling Limited, Make It Good is that nice little short that precedes it.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Dudd on February 16, 2014, 05:39:57 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 16, 2014, 05:59:06 PM "He Come Down."
"Here She Comes" ain't a very 'Beach Boys-y' track, but I think it's a nice slice of 70s rock. (Probably be voting for it next, though.) Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Watch a Cave on February 17, 2014, 10:12:58 AM Here she comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 17, 2014, 10:17:11 AM it's a tie between Here She Comes (14) and He Come Down (14)
First NEW vote for either of these will win the round. :3d Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: retrokid67 on February 17, 2014, 11:37:21 AM He Come Down
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 17, 2014, 11:40:11 AM Quote Carl and the Passions "So Tough" is the eighteenth studio album by American rock band The Beach Boys, released on May 15, 1972. Initial pressings of the album included Pet Sounds as a bonus record. The album is frequently considered a transitional album for the band, with the addition of Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar on guitar and drums, respectively, and long-time member Bruce Johnston departing during its initial sessions. It's been speculated that Carl and the Passions "So Tough" was either scheduled to be released, or re-released, as a single album. A Warner/Reprise catalogue number, MS 2090, had been assigned to this single disc release, but nothing came of it. The album was released as a standalone album in Europe on Reprise Records. The title of the album was a reference to an early band Carl Wilson had been in as a teenager. It was also the first album released under a new deal with Warner Bros. that allowed the company to distribute all future Beach Boys product in foreign as well as domestic markets. Welcome back to the a new round of BEACH BOYS SURVIVOR. Remember to be respectful of others opinions. Please don't spam the thread with too much opinionating (a little is ok ;D).... and without further ado... This was a close one, but in the end we just couldn't Hold On to Dear Brother. (http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/smilies/survivor.gif) VOTE OFF YOUR LEAST FAVORITE TRACK!!! Tally on February 19th!!! You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone Here She Comes Marcella Make It Good All This Is That Cuddle Up Round#1 - Hold On Dear Brother February 13 Round#2 - He Come Down February 17 My least favorite is... Here She Comes. It just doesn't feel like the Beach Boys to me. Good song though. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Matt H on February 17, 2014, 11:40:28 AM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 17, 2014, 11:43:24 AM Here She Comes. It just doesn't feel like the Beach Boys to me. Good song though. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 17, 2014, 11:50:25 AM I suppose at this point it's gotta be Marcella.
I know, I know. But it just doesn't do anything for me. As for Here She Comes, I love it! So what if it doesn't sound like the Beach Boys? That's irrelavent. It's still an excellent song! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: musicismylife101 on February 17, 2014, 11:52:01 AM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 17, 2014, 11:55:53 AM Mess of Help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 17, 2014, 11:59:54 AM Here She Comes - good song, great drumming on the fade, but bit too long. Hold On Dear Brother much better.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Les P on February 17, 2014, 12:17:55 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Moon Dawg on February 17, 2014, 12:35:22 PM Here She Comes. Who mixed the drums on that track?
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: The Dumb Angel on February 17, 2014, 12:45:35 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Dudd on February 17, 2014, 12:52:45 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Alan Smith on February 17, 2014, 01:11:36 PM Here She Comes. Who mixed the drums on that track? My guess: Ricky F. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Alan Smith on February 17, 2014, 01:14:55 PM Make It Good - and they did, great track!
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: The Shift on February 17, 2014, 01:20:50 PM Stepping out again; there are no more votable tracks left.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: EgoHanger1966 on February 17, 2014, 01:30:39 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 17, 2014, 01:31:29 PM Stepping out again; there are no more votable tracks left. You mean you like all tracks 100% equally? Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gertie J. on February 17, 2014, 01:40:05 PM hear she comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: remy13127 on February 17, 2014, 01:44:33 PM Marcella. All the remaining songs are very good.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: beacharg on February 17, 2014, 01:59:26 PM Here she comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: mikeyj on February 17, 2014, 02:12:20 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: The Shift on February 17, 2014, 02:26:32 PM Stepping out again; there are no more votable tracks left. You mean you like all tracks 100% equally? Can't get a credit card between them! This is a great album by the greatest band ever! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Fall Breaks on February 17, 2014, 02:27:30 PM Here She Comes Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: The Shift on February 17, 2014, 02:29:39 PM Stepping out again; there are no more votable tracks left. You mean you like all tracks 100% equally? Can't get a credit card between them! This is a great album by the greatest band ever! In fact, if they discovered an unreleased album in the vaults from this era, unreleased because the record company thought it was "too guitary for a Beach Boys album", I'd be in heaven! A boy can wish Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 17, 2014, 02:35:34 PM Fair enough John. :lol
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Quzi on February 17, 2014, 02:39:29 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: G.C on February 17, 2014, 02:41:41 PM You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: TimeToGetAlone on February 17, 2014, 02:53:06 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Marcella on February 17, 2014, 03:06:43 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: baseball95 on February 17, 2014, 03:35:00 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gabo on February 17, 2014, 03:38:08 PM Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 17, 2014, 04:06:40 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: retrokid67 on February 17, 2014, 04:11:25 PM here she comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Shady on February 17, 2014, 04:40:00 PM Make it good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Watch a Cave on February 17, 2014, 05:12:17 PM Here she comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: chrs_mrgn on February 17, 2014, 05:52:30 PM HSC
Title: Post by: zachrwolfe on February 17, 2014, 06:45:39 PM
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Emdeeh on February 17, 2014, 08:19:55 PM Here She Comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: 2 and a half on February 18, 2014, 03:09:12 AM All This is That
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Mike's Beard on February 18, 2014, 04:36:05 AM Make it good.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: leggo of my ego on February 18, 2014, 09:15:15 AM Here she comes needs to be Going.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Domino on February 18, 2014, 11:04:03 AM Here she comes
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Cabinessenceking on February 18, 2014, 11:06:56 AM Make It Good
He Come Down is a fun track guys! funkiest gospel music I ever heard Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: SonoraDick on February 18, 2014, 11:16:29 AM Make It Good.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Phoenix on February 18, 2014, 05:40:46 PM Make It Good
I'm actually changing my vote. I had the two Dennis songs confused in my head. ...Tho I don't know how. "Cuddle Up" actually sounds like a completed song, albeit one that goes on for way too long. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 18, 2014, 11:01:54 PM Ok, without wanting to go off on some tangent, to all those voting for and complaining about Dennis' CATP songs:
Make It Good isn't supposed to be a conventional song, it's supposed to be something different and unique, a mood piece. So feel free not to like it, but please no more 'it's not even a proper song'. Cuddle Up is supposed to be big and epic, you're supposed to lose yourself in it. Again, it's Dennis doing something unique. Shouldn't that be something to be embraced? Marcella may be great, but it's Brian on auto-pilot - Dennis was striving for something different. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Eric Aniversario on February 19, 2014, 12:12:15 AM First time participating since round 1 of album 1...my vote is for make it good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: leggo of my ego on February 19, 2014, 06:54:36 AM Ok, without wanting to go off on some tangent, to all those voting for and complaining about Dennis' CATP songs: Make It Good isn't supposed to be a conventional song, it's supposed to be something different and unique, a mood piece. So feel free not to like it, but please no more 'it's not even a proper song'. Cuddle Up is supposed to be big and epic, you're supposed to lose yourself in it. Again, it's Dennis doing something unique. Shouldn't that be something to be embraced? Marcella may be great, but it's Brian on auto-pilot - Dennis was striving for something different. I will stand with Cuddle Up this round if it survives to the run-off. Being a Prog fan for years I like epic tunesmithery like this. ;D Hey Hey Mar-cellla cant compare. Or any of its other incarnations. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 19, 2014, 11:36:32 AM Quote Carl and the Passions "So Tough" is the eighteenth studio album by American rock band The Beach Boys, released on May 15, 1972. Initial pressings of the album included Pet Sounds as a bonus record. The album is frequently considered a transitional album for the band, with the addition of Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar on guitar and drums, respectively, and long-time member Bruce Johnston departing during its initial sessions. It's been speculated that Carl and the Passions "So Tough" was either scheduled to be released, or re-released, as a single album. A Warner/Reprise catalogue number, MS 2090, had been assigned to this single disc release, but nothing came of it. The album was released as a standalone album in Europe on Reprise Records. The title of the album was a reference to an early band Carl Wilson had been in as a teenager. It was also the first album released under a new deal with Warner Bros. that allowed the company to distribute all future Beach Boys product in foreign as well as domestic markets. Welcome back to the a new round of BEACH BOYS SURVIVOR. Remember to be respectful of others opinions. Please don't spam the thread with too much opinionating (a little is ok ;D).... and without further ado... There She Went. (http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/smilies/survivor.gif) VOTE OFF YOUR LEAST FAVORITE TRACK!!! Tally on February 21st!!! You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone Marcella Make It Good All This Is That Cuddle Up Round#1 - Hold On Dear Brother February 13 Round#2 - He Come Down February 17 Round#3 - Here She Comes February 19 My least favorite is... Marcella. As someone stated, it is Brian on autopilot. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Matt H on February 19, 2014, 11:43:52 AM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: leggo of my ego on February 19, 2014, 11:44:24 AM You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone
because no song needs a title THAT LONG> :p Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: baseball95 on February 19, 2014, 11:49:54 AM Make it Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: shelter on February 19, 2014, 11:51:25 AM Make It Good, Now that's truely a song that doesn't go anywhere.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: musicismylife101 on February 19, 2014, 11:51:54 AM You Need a Mess of a Help to Stand Alone
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: beacharg on February 19, 2014, 11:54:14 AM Marcella.
'Brian in Autopilot' is a good definition. I almost don't listen to the album version at all. I prefer the rockin' live version ('73). Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 19, 2014, 11:56:55 AM You Need A Mess Of Help
Love the 'she don't, she don't, she don't know' section - the rest I just really like. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Emdeeh on February 19, 2014, 12:03:24 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: EgoHanger1966 on February 19, 2014, 12:06:53 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Dudd on February 19, 2014, 12:14:27 PM Cuddle Up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: The Dumb Angel on February 19, 2014, 12:42:21 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gertie J. on February 19, 2014, 12:49:22 PM all this is that
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Marcella on February 19, 2014, 01:13:44 PM Make It Good--I won't have to resort to dastardly means to protect Marcella yet (I hope)
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: remy13127 on February 19, 2014, 01:35:16 PM Marcella again.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 19, 2014, 01:41:21 PM Make It Good!
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 19, 2014, 02:19:10 PM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: startBBtoday on February 19, 2014, 02:34:21 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 19, 2014, 02:41:24 PM "Make It Good."
It builds and builds.. and then goes nowhere. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gabo on February 19, 2014, 02:56:55 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: mikeyj on February 19, 2014, 03:01:25 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 19, 2014, 03:15:40 PM Changing my vote to Marcella.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Moon Dawg on February 19, 2014, 04:11:47 PM All This Is That
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Watch a Cave on February 19, 2014, 04:18:57 PM Make it good
Title: Post by: zachrwolfe on February 19, 2014, 04:57:04 PM
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: chrs_mrgn on February 19, 2014, 05:17:16 PM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Shady on February 19, 2014, 05:30:55 PM Make it good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: TimeToGetAlone on February 19, 2014, 08:58:30 PM I like a lot of Dennis stuff but I dislike how both Ricky and Blondie songs are out before Make It Good, especially with Here She Comes.
Make It Good Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Les P on February 19, 2014, 08:59:59 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Phoenix on February 19, 2014, 11:04:14 PM Make It Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Quzi on February 20, 2014, 02:26:42 AM Make it Good - just because it was written by Dennis >:D
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Cabinessenceking on February 20, 2014, 03:04:59 AM make it good. cmon people YNAMOHTSA and Marcella are less appealing?
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: 2 and a half on February 20, 2014, 03:22:15 AM All This is That - I don't like being called Thou
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Alan Smith on February 20, 2014, 05:30:13 AM Make it Good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: G.C on February 20, 2014, 06:00:45 AM You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Fall Breaks on February 20, 2014, 06:37:37 AM Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on February 20, 2014, 06:55:12 AM Yeah, I'm a huge Dennis fan. But I'll vote for Make it Good. Quite boring.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: leggo of my ego on February 20, 2014, 09:16:23 AM Also switching my vote to Make It Good. Pile On!!
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 20, 2014, 09:43:27 AM Also switching my vote to Make It Good. Pile On!! Quote your original vote or I vill do nothink! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Sam_BFC on February 20, 2014, 12:19:24 PM Make It Good.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: buddhahat on February 20, 2014, 12:50:44 PM Make It good
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: slippingonthrough on February 20, 2014, 08:54:46 PM Make It Good.
Cuddle Up was by far the better of Dennis's orchestra songs. Make It Good just sounds like the idea for a song that isn't really executed well. Too messy. Shame Hold on Dear Brother and Here She Comes got voted out so quickly, I love those songs. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: kookadams on February 20, 2014, 09:57:45 PM So Tough has its moments but I would hardly consider it integral as a BBs album and wouldnt recommend it til a good 16 albums before it: pet sounds, all summer long, today, sunflower, wild honey, surfin usa, surfer girl, lil deuce coupe, summer days, smiley smile, shut down vol2, 20/20, surfs up, love you, friends... every/anybuddy concur?
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: shelter on February 20, 2014, 11:07:28 PM So Tough has its moments but I would hardly consider it integral as a BBs album and wouldnt recommend it til a good 16 albums before it: pet sounds, all summer long, today, sunflower, wild honey, surfin usa, surfer girl, lil deuce coupe, summer days, smiley smile, shut down vol2, 20/20, surfs up, love you, friends... every/anybuddy concur? I think the thing with Carl and the Passions is that it just feels more like an EP than an album. It has just eight songs, the Chaplin/Fataar ones really don't sound like Beach Boys songs at all and Dennis's songs probably sound more like Dennis Wilson solo tracks than any other song he ever recorded with the Beach Boys. So that's just enough "real" Beach Boys songs to fill an EP (and not even a very good one, although I love All This is That).Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Mike's Beard on February 20, 2014, 11:12:14 PM Everybody that says the Flame tracks don't sound like the Beach Boys are maybe forgetting that a big part of the reason Carl brought them into the band in the first place was because he wanted to alter the group's sound.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: shelter on February 20, 2014, 11:57:53 PM Everybody that says the Flame tracks don't sound like the Beach Boys are maybe forgetting that a big part of the reason Carl brought them into the band in the first place was because he wanted to alter the group's sound. Maybe, but do you think it worked? I think those songs sound like very little more than The Beach Boys (barely audibly) guesting on someone else's songs.Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Mike's Beard on February 21, 2014, 12:32:44 AM I think the songs themselves are great but having Mike and Al on backing vocals would have helped tie them to the Beach Boys 'feel' while still being something completely different. Leaving this Town and We Got Love got the balance right.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 21, 2014, 01:15:09 AM So Tough has its moments but I would hardly consider it integral as a BBs album and wouldnt recommend it til a good 16 albums before it: pet sounds, all summer long, today, sunflower, wild honey, surfin usa, surfer girl, lil deuce coupe, summer days, smiley smile, shut down vol2, 20/20, surfs up, love you, friends... every/anybuddy concur? I think the thing with Carl and the Passions is that it just feels more like an EP than an album. It has just eight songs, the Chaplin/Fataar ones really don't sound like Beach Boys songs at all and Dennis's songs probably sound more like Dennis Wilson solo tracks than any other song he ever recorded with the Beach Boys. So that's just enough "real" Beach Boys songs to fill an EP (and not even a very good one, although I love All This is That).I've always loved CATP. I consider it to be their second-most underrated album! But yeah, 8 songs isn't enough, there should have been a few more songs, maybe one more Chaplin/Fataar song, 1 more Denny song, 1 more Carl song, and 1 more Brian song. But to me it doesn't matter if the Chaplin/Fataar songs don't sound like BB's songs, to me that's irrelevant. What matters is if a song is great or not and both of their songs are great, especially Here She Comes. So it's disappointing that they were both voted off so quickly. In fact, the only song off CATP that isn't good IMHO is He Come Down. Also, IMO CATP is a better album than Surfin' USA, Shut Down Vol. 2, All Summer Long, Summer Days and Summer Nights (dodges bricks), Smiley Smile (dodging flaming bricks), and especially Little Deuce Coupe! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 21, 2014, 09:49:40 AM So Tough has its moments but I would hardly consider it integral as a BBs album and wouldnt recommend it til a good 16 albums before it: pet sounds, all summer long, today, sunflower, wild honey, surfin usa, surfer girl, lil deuce coupe, summer days, smiley smile, shut down vol2, 20/20, surfs up, love you, friends... every/anybuddy concur? I think the thing with Carl and the Passions is that it just feels more like an EP than an album. It has just eight songs, the Chaplin/Fataar ones really don't sound like Beach Boys songs at all and Dennis's songs probably sound more like Dennis Wilson solo tracks than any other song he ever recorded with the Beach Boys. So that's just enough "real" Beach Boys songs to fill an EP (and not even a very good one, although I love All This is That).I've always loved CATP. I consider it to be their second-most underrated album! But yeah, 8 songs isn't enough, there should have been a few more songs, maybe one more Chaplin/Fataar song, 1 more Denny song, 1 more Carl song, and 1 more Brian song. But to me it doesn't matter if the Chaplin/Fataar songs don't sound like BB's songs, to me that's irrelevant. What matters is if a song is great or not and both of their songs are great, especially Here She Comes. So it's disappointing that they were both voted off so quickly. In fact, the only song off CATP that isn't good IMHO is He Come Down. Also, IMO CATP is a better album than Surfin' USA, Shut Down Vol. 2, All Summer Long, Summer Days and Summer Nights (dodges bricks), Smiley Smile (dodging flaming bricks), and especially Little Deuce Coupe! I agreed with every word of your first paragraph and disagreed with every word of your second :) Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: SonoraDick on February 21, 2014, 11:14:26 AM Make It Good.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 21, 2014, 12:06:35 PM Quote Carl and the Passions "So Tough" is the eighteenth studio album by American rock band The Beach Boys, released on May 15, 1972. Initial pressings of the album included Pet Sounds as a bonus record. The album is frequently considered a transitional album for the band, with the addition of Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar on guitar and drums, respectively, and long-time member Bruce Johnston departing during its initial sessions. It's been speculated that Carl and the Passions "So Tough" was either scheduled to be released, or re-released, as a single album. A Warner/Reprise catalogue number, MS 2090, had been assigned to this single disc release, but nothing came of it. The album was released as a standalone album in Europe on Reprise Records. The title of the album was a reference to an early band Carl Wilson had been in as a teenager. It was also the first album released under a new deal with Warner Bros. that allowed the company to distribute all future Beach Boys product in foreign as well as domestic markets. Welcome back to the a new round of BEACH BOYS SURVIVOR. Remember to be respectful of others opinions. Please don't spam the thread with too much opinionating (a little is ok ;D).... and without further ado... 29 smilers didn't want to Make It Good. :'( (http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/smilies/survivor.gif) VOTE OFF YOUR LEAST FAVORITE TRACK!!! Tally on February 23rd!!! You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone Marcella All This Is That Cuddle Up Round#1 - Hold On Dear Brother February 13 Round#2 - He Come Down February 17 Round#3 - Here She Comes February 19 Round#4 - Make It Good February 21 My least favorite is... Marcella. As someone stated, it is Brian on autopilot. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: EgoHanger1966 on February 21, 2014, 12:09:11 PM Cuddle Up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Les P on February 21, 2014, 12:31:34 PM Marcella, I guess. So tough.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Matt H on February 21, 2014, 12:44:33 PM Cuddle Up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: musicismylife101 on February 21, 2014, 12:55:48 PM You Need a Mess of a Help to Stand Alone
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 21, 2014, 12:57:01 PM Mess of Help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 21, 2014, 01:02:33 PM Mess of Help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: remy13127 on February 21, 2014, 01:12:17 PM Marcella.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 21, 2014, 01:30:18 PM Mess of Help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Please delete my account on February 21, 2014, 01:33:09 PM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 21, 2014, 01:39:58 PM Not surprised Make It Good is gone. In fact had Marcella been voted off instead, I would have gone after MIG next.
Anyway, my vote goes to Marcella. 3 songs deserve to make it to the finals, and Marcella isn't one of them Title: Post by: zachrwolfe on February 21, 2014, 01:45:08 PM
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: TimeToGetAlone on February 21, 2014, 02:21:08 PM Cuddle Up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: kookadams on February 21, 2014, 02:33:52 PM To user 'little bird..' you mean So Tough was like a EP cuz it has 3 beach boys songs w brians inclusion? Cuz length wise its not an EP cuz the songs are pretty long; if the songs were normal length yeah but 8 songs can be a full-length if theyre long enough.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Cabinessenceking on February 21, 2014, 03:35:30 PM Mess Of Help
Great track, but Carl completely botched the double vocal idea. Production wise it could've been a little more exciting. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Cabinessenceking on February 21, 2014, 03:36:48 PM To user 'little bird..' you mean So Tough was like a EP cuz it has 3 beach boys songs w brians inclusion? Cuz length wise its not an EP cuz the songs are pretty long; if the songs were normal length yeah but 8 songs can be a full-length if theyre long enough. Jesus, do you type like that on all occasions? :lol Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: slippingonthrough on February 21, 2014, 03:40:16 PM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: startBBtoday on February 21, 2014, 03:49:05 PM Mess of Help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 21, 2014, 03:52:41 PM So Tough has its moments but I would hardly consider it integral as a BBs album and wouldnt recommend it til a good 16 albums before it: pet sounds, all summer long, today, sunflower, wild honey, surfin usa, surfer girl, lil deuce coupe, summer days, smiley smile, shut down vol2, 20/20, surfs up, love you, friends... every/anybuddy concur? I think the thing with Carl and the Passions is that it just feels more like an EP than an album. It has just eight songs, the Chaplin/Fataar ones really don't sound like Beach Boys songs at all and Dennis's songs probably sound more like Dennis Wilson solo tracks than any other song he ever recorded with the Beach Boys. So that's just enough "real" Beach Boys songs to fill an EP (and not even a very good one, although I love All This is That).I've always loved CATP. I consider it to be their second-most underrated album! But yeah, 8 songs isn't enough, there should have been a few more songs, maybe one more Chaplin/Fataar song, 1 more Denny song, 1 more Carl song, and 1 more Brian song. But to me it doesn't matter if the Chaplin/Fataar songs don't sound like BB's songs, to me that's irrelevant. What matters is if a song is great or not and both of their songs are great, especially Here She Comes. So it's disappointing that they were both voted off so quickly. In fact, the only song off CATP that isn't good IMHO is He Come Down. Also, IMO CATP is a better album than Surfin' USA, Shut Down Vol. 2, All Summer Long, Summer Days and Summer Nights (dodges bricks), Smiley Smile (dodging flaming bricks), and especially Little Deuce Coupe! I agreed with every word of your first paragraph and disagreed with every word of your second :) Really? Every Word? Even Little Deuce Coupe? I suppose it's subjective, I stand by what I said but I can see if not everyone agrees To user 'little bird..' you mean So Tough was like a EP cuz it has 3 beach boys songs w brians inclusion? Cuz length wise its not an EP cuz the songs are pretty long; if the songs were normal length yeah but 8 songs can be a full-length if theyre long enough. No, it's because CATP has only 8 songs. Length-wise the only song that is fairly long is Cuddle Up, though Make It Good and Hold On Dear Brother feels like it goes on forever :lol Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Alan Smith on February 21, 2014, 04:03:28 PM Mess of Help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: TimeToGetAlone on February 21, 2014, 04:16:03 PM Kind of funny. I feel Dennis' work was underrated on both the Friends and Sunflower rounds, whereas I think they're getting too much credit here. :-\
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gabo on February 21, 2014, 04:24:26 PM Cuddle Up
(edit) Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: The Dumb Angel on February 21, 2014, 04:36:06 PM Mess of Help
I surprised at all the votes for Marcella. It's one of the BB's coolest rockers. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 21, 2014, 04:41:49 PM Mess of Help I surprised at all the votes for Marcella. It's one of the BB's coolest rockers. Correction: Mess Of Help is one of the BB's coolest rockers :lol Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: baseball95 on February 21, 2014, 04:53:01 PM Cuddle Up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: beacharg on February 21, 2014, 05:37:34 PM Mess of Help I surprised at all the votes for Marcella. It's one of the BB's coolest rockers. Correction: Mess Of Help is one of the BB's coolest rockers :lol So true!!! ;D My vote goes to Marcella Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gertie J. on February 21, 2014, 05:55:45 PM marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: chrs_mrgn on February 21, 2014, 06:16:14 PM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Watch a Cave on February 21, 2014, 06:40:32 PM You need a mess of help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: mikeyj on February 21, 2014, 06:57:47 PM You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on February 21, 2014, 07:14:41 PM You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: retrokid67 on February 21, 2014, 08:25:12 PM marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Emdeeh on February 21, 2014, 08:38:02 PM As much as I hate voting against DW songs (no losers in this batch of songs imho), "Cuddle Up."
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 21, 2014, 08:40:18 PM As much as I hate voting against DW songs (no losers in this batch of songs imho), "Cuddle Up." +1Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Niko on February 21, 2014, 09:07:33 PM Cuddle Up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: SonoraDick on February 21, 2014, 09:16:14 PM Cuddle Up.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Phoenix on February 21, 2014, 10:37:03 PM Kind of funny. I feel Dennis' work was underrated on both the Friends and Sunflower rounds, whereas I think they're getting too much credit here. :-\ Totally agree! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Phoenix on February 21, 2014, 10:37:43 PM Cuddle Up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Mike's Beard on February 22, 2014, 01:02:17 AM Cuddle Up. It's a great song apart from the "Honey, honey I'M IN LURRRRVE!!!!" which makes me cringe everytime I hear it.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Ovi on February 22, 2014, 05:28:06 AM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Fall Breaks on February 22, 2014, 05:33:19 AM Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: feelsflow on February 22, 2014, 07:00:09 AM I've been staying out of this Round, waiting for the final. No longer can.
. My Maxwell's out for: . "Marcella" Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bossaroo on February 22, 2014, 07:38:49 AM Cuddle Up for crying out loud
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Sam_BFC on February 22, 2014, 09:16:45 AM Mess of Help.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: leggo of my ego on February 22, 2014, 10:55:24 AM Mess of Help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Eric Aniversario on February 23, 2014, 01:51:53 AM It's difficult, but I vote for cuddle up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Ram4 on February 23, 2014, 09:07:32 AM These last 4 are the ones I like!
I'll vote off Marcella. I prefer the live version anyway. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: 2 and a half on February 23, 2014, 09:57:43 AM All This is Tat
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: shelter on February 23, 2014, 11:10:56 AM Mess of Help.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 23, 2014, 03:17:33 PM Tally in a few hours.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Dudd on February 23, 2014, 03:55:06 PM Cuddle Up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Shady on February 23, 2014, 04:15:37 PM Cuddle Up
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 23, 2014, 05:47:21 PM It's a tie for Cuddle Up and You Need A Mess of Help To Stand Alone (16 votes each).
Next new vote decides!!!!! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 23, 2014, 05:49:59 PM Change my vote from Marcella to Cuddle Up.
Sorry Dennis Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Shady on February 23, 2014, 05:54:59 PM ^^
Nice choice Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Dudd on February 23, 2014, 05:57:07 PM ^^
Agreed. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gertie J. on February 23, 2014, 05:58:13 PM :'(
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 23, 2014, 06:38:52 PM Quote Carl and the Passions "So Tough" is the eighteenth studio album by American rock band The Beach Boys, released on May 15, 1972. Initial pressings of the album included Pet Sounds as a bonus record. The album is frequently considered a transitional album for the band, with the addition of Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar on guitar and drums, respectively, and long-time member Bruce Johnston departing during its initial sessions. It's been speculated that Carl and the Passions "So Tough" was either scheduled to be released, or re-released, as a single album. A Warner/Reprise catalogue number, MS 2090, had been assigned to this single disc release, but nothing came of it. The album was released as a standalone album in Europe on Reprise Records. The title of the album was a reference to an early band Carl Wilson had been in as a teenager. It was also the first album released under a new deal with Warner Bros. that allowed the company to distribute all future Beach Boys product in foreign as well as domestic markets. Here we are at the start of the final round of Beach Boys Survivor Round#22!!!!! Dennis couldn't ruslte up enough people to cuddle with. :'( (http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/smilies/survivor.gif) As per the usual, now we looking for which track of those remaining is your FAVORITE track. VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE TRACK!!! Tally on February 25th!!! You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone Marcella All This Is That Round#1 - Hold On Dear Brother February 13 Round#2 - He Come Down February 17 Round#3 - Here She Comes February 19 Round#4 - Make It Good February 21 Round#5 - Cuddle Up February 23 My favorite track is... this is a tough one... It's a toss up between Mess of Help (I love the groove) and All This Is That... I will go with All This Is That because Carl's vocals on Jai Guru Dev at the end are among the most ethereal vocals ever recorded. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: EgoHanger1966 on February 23, 2014, 06:40:11 PM Marcella for the win!
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gertie J. on February 23, 2014, 06:40:25 PM all this is that
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bossaroo on February 23, 2014, 06:41:04 PM Mess of Help. so good.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: SonoraDick on February 23, 2014, 06:41:42 PM You Need A Mess Of Help...
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 23, 2014, 06:43:17 PM All This Is That
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Alan Smith on February 23, 2014, 06:46:53 PM Marcella
Hey, Yeah! :rock Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Gabo on February 23, 2014, 06:49:07 PM All This Is That
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: musicismylife101 on February 23, 2014, 06:52:51 PM I was rooting for Cuddle Up but since it's voted off I guess I'll have to go with Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Shady on February 23, 2014, 06:55:31 PM I was rooting for Cuddle Up but since it's voted off I guess I'll have to go with Marcella Guess you're just a sentimental sap I vote for Marcella Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 23, 2014, 06:58:11 PM Shame about Cuddle Up. I guess I'll have to go with All This is That.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: The Dumb Angel on February 23, 2014, 07:00:34 PM Marcella!!!
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: retrokid67 on February 23, 2014, 07:16:27 PM mess of help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: baseball95 on February 23, 2014, 07:17:54 PM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: bluesno1fann on February 23, 2014, 07:22:36 PM All This Is That is all-right, but it hasn't quite grown on me. Same with Marcella.
Going to have to go with You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone. It is after all my favourite song of the entire Chaplin/Fataar era and one of my favourite overall BB's songs. You gotta love Carl and Blondie's vocals! I expect All This Is That to win, but I hope Mess of Help will win! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Emdeeh on February 23, 2014, 07:38:35 PM I love all three, but I'm going with "Marcella."
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: mikeyj on February 23, 2014, 07:45:17 PM Marcella
Title: Post by: zachrwolfe on February 23, 2014, 07:49:33 PM
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: slippingonthrough on February 23, 2014, 08:52:43 PM You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Les P on February 23, 2014, 08:59:24 PM My favorite track is... this is a tough one... It's a toss up between Mess of Help (I love the groove) and All This Is That... I will go with All This Is That because Carl's vocals on Jai Guru Dev at the end are among the most ethereal vocals ever recorded. +1. So, ATIT. For now, anyway... Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Amazing Larry on February 23, 2014, 09:15:08 PM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Phoenix on February 23, 2014, 09:30:29 PM You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Mike's Beard on February 23, 2014, 09:58:19 PM All This is That to win.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Quzi on February 23, 2014, 10:11:25 PM All This is That. Probably my favourite Beach Boys track that doesn't have Brian's involvement.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Custom Machine on February 23, 2014, 10:28:04 PM One arm over my shoulder ... Marcella!!
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Fall Breaks on February 23, 2014, 10:34:17 PM ATIT
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: The Shift on February 23, 2014, 11:02:06 PM All This Is That. Hands-down the best track on a great album.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: ThyRavenAscend on February 24, 2014, 12:08:19 AM Since the last time I logged-on to the forum: I quit my job, moved my wife & I from the Midwest to the East Coast, and started seminary. The one constant? The Beach Boys. :) And the reason why I logged on now and decided to post again was because I saw that my favorite track off of this album was in danger, so my vote is....
...ALL THIS IS THAT. If I had to choose between just this track or the rest of the album, I would hands-down go with this track--so good! Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Eric Aniversario on February 24, 2014, 12:28:44 AM All this is that.....I've been an ardent fan of the Beach Boys since 1991, and from 91 to about 2008 or 2009, God Only Knows was my favorite beach boys song. But in 2008/9, a shift occurred, and All This is that because my favorite.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Please delete my account on February 24, 2014, 01:32:43 AM All This Is That. Not. Even. Close.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Niko on February 24, 2014, 01:34:02 AM Marcella VS All This Is That
I heard them both for the first time at a C50 show, and both were incredible live. My vote goes to All This Is That Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: 2 and a half on February 24, 2014, 03:34:22 AM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: beacharg on February 24, 2014, 03:49:27 AM Mar-ce-lla
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Watch a Cave on February 24, 2014, 04:03:38 AM Easily Marcella. Absolutely love the fade.. the concert version rocks harder in the beginning part though.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Marcella on February 24, 2014, 04:10:49 AM Marcella--did you need me to say that considering my handle?
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Matt H on February 24, 2014, 04:26:00 AM I love all three but will go with "You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone"
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: feelsflow on February 24, 2014, 06:04:28 AM "You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone"
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on February 24, 2014, 06:05:45 AM Damn you Cuddle Up!
All This Is That Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: shelter on February 24, 2014, 06:06:19 AM If Cuddle Up would've made it to the final three, this would've been a tough one. But it's easy now.
All This is That. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: leggo of my ego on February 24, 2014, 07:00:31 AM I was rooting for Cuddle Up but since it's voted off I guess I'll have to go with Marcella
Same here. Marcella Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 24, 2014, 07:07:03 AM Been offline for a few days. I come back and Cuddle Up has been voted off! What is this wrong-headed madness??? Not fussed about this round now...
Having said that: MESS OF HELP Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: MaxL on February 24, 2014, 07:10:06 AM All This is That. That is all...
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Dudd on February 24, 2014, 07:34:01 AM All This Is That
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Ovi on February 24, 2014, 08:57:04 AM All This Is That
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Cabinessenceking on February 24, 2014, 10:03:40 AM Mess Of Help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Catbirdman on February 24, 2014, 10:40:19 AM I'm thinking it'll probably take a mess of help for my favorite track to win, but I will vote for it, proudly:
It takes a mess of help to stand alone Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Domino on February 24, 2014, 10:42:32 AM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Sam_BFC on February 24, 2014, 01:27:08 PM I am that thou are that and all this is that :)
Have really fell in love with Marcella of late, but it doesn't quite make it for me. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: G.C on February 24, 2014, 01:33:07 PM All This Is That!
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: TimeToGetAlone on February 24, 2014, 02:45:44 PM All This Is That has this in the bag, but for me it's only the third best behind these two Brian rockers. My vote goes to You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone because it's one of the few Beach Boys that really rocks.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: mtaber on February 24, 2014, 05:36:22 PM Since I once had a bumper sticker custom made for me in honor of the song, I must say YNAMOHTSA is the best track on CATP...
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: startBBtoday on February 24, 2014, 09:51:42 PM Marcella I guess.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 25, 2014, 07:34:25 AM Mess of Help :)
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 25, 2014, 09:22:25 AM Tally in about 2 1/2 hours. :o
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on February 25, 2014, 10:18:46 AM Mess of Help
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: joshferrell on February 25, 2014, 10:42:43 AM Marcella
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22: Carl and the Passions So Tough! Post by: pixletwin on February 25, 2014, 11:26:15 AM WELCOME TO THE END OF ROUND#22 OF BEACH BOYS SURVIVOR!!!!!!
Quote Carl and the Passions "So Tough" is the eighteenth studio album by American rock band The Beach Boys, released on May 15, 1972. Initial pressings of the album included Pet Sounds as a bonus record. The album is frequently considered a transitional album for the band, with the addition of Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar on guitar and drums, respectively, and long-time member Bruce Johnston departing during its initial sessions. It's been speculated that Carl and the Passions "So Tough" was either scheduled to be released, or re-released, as a single album. A Warner/Reprise catalogue number, MS 2090, had been assigned to this single disc release, but nothing came of it. The album was released as a standalone album in Europe on Reprise Records. The title of the album was a reference to an early band Carl Wilson had been in as a teenager. It was also the first album released under a new deal with Warner Bros. that allowed the company to distribute all future Beach Boys product in foreign as well as domestic markets. This track had A Mess of 15 Smilers to Help it Stand Alone... but not enough in the end. :'( (http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/smilies/survivor.gif) 18 Smilers flipped with one arm over their shoulders for Marcella. (http://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/images/smilies/survivor.gif) But there can be only one and this round's winner of round#22 of BEACH BOYS SURVIVOR (with 23 votes) IS.... All This Is That Round#1 - Hold On Dear Brother February 13 Round#2 - He Come Down February 17 Round#3 - Here She Comes February 19 Round#4 - Make It Good February 21 Round#5 - Cuddle Up February 23 Round#6 - You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone February 25 Round#6 - Marcella February 25 Thanks for playing folks. Round#23 will begin when rounds 20 and 21 are completed. :3d Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: Ovi on February 25, 2014, 11:29:31 AM Nice! Cuddle Up was by far my favourite on the album, but All This Is That is great as well and deserves more recognition.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: TimeToGetAlone on February 25, 2014, 11:50:59 AM For once an album cut wins, yet it happens when I'm rooting for the singles!
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: bluesno1fann on February 25, 2014, 12:17:44 PM Disappointed, but not surprised. Find it hard to see how ATIT is more popular than YNAMOHTSA, but oh well...
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: pixletwin on February 25, 2014, 12:19:30 PM Disappointed, but not surprised. Find it hard to see how ATIT is more popular than YNAMOHTSA, but oh well... Just count the votes and you should "see" it just fine. :lol Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: Marcella on February 25, 2014, 01:47:54 PM Guess I have to change my handle :-\
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: Shady on February 25, 2014, 04:54:05 PM I fell out of favor from the start with this one, some of my favorite tracks went early on.
"All this is that" is far from the best song on CATP but the people have spoken. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: retrokid67 on February 25, 2014, 08:37:47 PM I fell out of favor from the start with this one, some of my favorite tracks went early on. "All this is that" is far from the best song on CATP but the people have spoken. completely agree, o well :-\ Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 25, 2014, 08:42:02 PM I'm pretty satisfied with the results.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: bluesno1fann on February 26, 2014, 02:47:57 PM I fell out of favor from the start with this one, some of my favorite tracks went early on. "All this is that" is far from the best song on CATP but the people have spoken. Totally agree. IMO things went highly predictably here. First the different songs went (Hold On Dear Brother, He Come Down, Here She Comes) Then the Denny songs (Make It Good, Cuddle Up) Then the Rockers (You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone, Marcella) And finally the only song off the album that really sounds like a BB's song won (All This Is That). I like All This Is That, but it hardly deserved to win this round IMHO. Here's how I would have ranked the tracks: 8. He Come Down. 7. Hold On Dear Brother. 6. Marcella. 5. Make It Good. 4. Here She Comes. 3. All This Is That. 2. Cuddle Up. 1. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone. Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: pixletwin on February 26, 2014, 02:49:39 PM Cuddle was my favorite to win. All This Is That was my #2.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: The Shift on February 26, 2014, 04:32:46 PM ATIT sounds no more like the BBs than the rest of the tracks. The whole album is pretty uncharacteristic. To my mind the right track won but then I wouldn't have voted any o' them off! :)
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: 2 and a half on February 27, 2014, 02:59:29 AM If anyone's looking for support for the notion that free and fair elections don't work then this result is it :o :)
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: kookadams on May 13, 2014, 12:22:15 PM Carl and the Passions-so tough is NOT a BBs record even worth recommending , I dont see how it gets a whole thread devoted to it. Mess of help and marcella is decent tunes but its prevalent that warner/reprise was pestering them for product like capitol was doing in 63-4. After sunflower it was obvious that their signature sound was transforming and being that mainstream rock had taken a swandive around 68 it was aparent that quality music was no longer mainstream.
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: kookadams on May 23, 2014, 03:23:24 AM Carl and the passions was an alias album for the BBs- not an essential album and really not integral
Title: Re: Beach Boys Survivor #22 WINNER!: ALL THIS IS THAT Post by: TimeToGetAlone on June 10, 2014, 02:04:51 PM Carl and the Passions-so tough is NOT a BBs record even worth recommending , I dont see how it gets a whole thread devoted to it. Mess of help and marcella is decent tunes but its prevalent that warner/reprise was pestering them for product like capitol was doing in 63-4. After sunflower it was obvious that their signature sound was transforming and being that mainstream rock had taken a swandive around 68 it was aparent that quality music was no longer mainstream. If any album post-Love You gets a survivor round, which they did, I'll fight to no end to uphold Carl and the Passions' place. For me the album's biggest flaw (moreso than its lack of cohesiveness) is how the vocals on certain tracks are a little low in the mix. It's most apparent to me on Here She Comes, but the falsetto ending on All This Is That also stands out as a moment that would have been that much sweeter if it hadn't been softened so quickly. Maybe it's just the version I have, but I've heard others say the same. Regarding the music itself, I have little complaints. |