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For one day, set either on April 1st or the 4th of July, I want the mods to open the floodgates and unban everybody. Just think of the fun we would have.

This is a good idea. Agreed?

Agreed. But I say people like OSD should be unbanned, and people like I.Spaceman deserve to remain banned

So in other words, you disagree.

You know, I think this is going to be hard. A lot of people who are banned do deserve to be unbanned like OSD. But there are complete pricks such as I.Spaceman who deserves to remain banned.

You know what? f*** it. I say everyone should be unbanned. Even people like I.Spaceman!

Frankly, I don't care who is or isn't unbanned. I was just making fun of your post's inherent contradiction. But I will say this: if there were some grand unbanning, I'd prefer that people with opinions and the knowledge to back them up be unbanned before sad old trolls. The last thing this board needs is more idiots.

Someone who sends death threats (to me & my family or anyone else) will never be unbanned as long as I'm a mod

Gonna have to agree with you there  :rock

Though to be perfectly realistic, I highly doubt this will ever happen. Ever.  :thud

That was horrendously disgusting what he did, and if anything happens I sort-of hope he remains banned.

Judging by other posts he made, he was a complete prick anyway. So I totally sympathize with you.

When did this happen thank f*** I missed that

I missed it too, but I stumbled upon this old thread recently:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15267.0.html

The threats itself were PM's only, but still it was fucking disgusting

People are banned for a reason and they need to stay banned.

I'm so sorry that happened...that must have been really rough for you. Shame too, cuz his posts can be really funny.

If it wasn't clear, this is just a joke. It would be hellish if everyone were unbanned.

I reckon a few people deserve to be unbanned. But yeah, it's best that not everyone should be unbanned

Totally agree with you, MB! Though, if you started talking about the banhammered folks, why, of all people, go on remembering I. Spaceman? I think it's disrespectful to remind Billy of that case. Come on, there were many others, except him & old surfer.

I think a good number of his posts are pretty amazing - dude really knew his music and it's always a pleasure to re-read them when I go through old topics.

His treatment to people he disliked was enough for him to be banned, In fact that was why he was banned in the first place.
The death threats to poor Billy only made sure he would never return

Ovi got the point, actually, and I think even Billy himself will confirm that Ian made some of the most informative posts in the board's history. But it isn't questioned here, what I'll never understand is how easily he got away with all the offensive stuff he'd told the folks. To my knowledge, he never was banned till that sad case. Suspect it's sth. to do with his long-term buddy relationship with The Real Beach Boy. And one would use simple logic that everyone must be equal before the rules.

True. He was also good friends with Billy, and Billy even apologized for the ban to him before Ian started the death threats.
I agree that he should have been banned a long time before he was.

Someone I would like unbanned is Ethan Clarke. He deeply, and genuinely regretted posting the gore pics. People were complaining he didn't look like he regretted it and was trying to get people to sympathize with him. But he has Autism so it can be really hard for people with Autism to communicate and show their feelings properly. After that nasty incident, he proved to be quite a good person who contributed greatly on the board with no incidents. Then Pixletwin and Stephen started going at him (to an extent, justifiable), Ethan makes one remark (People with Autism act like that under pressure) and Jason unfairly banned him. I say unban Ethan, and OSD of course. Now he's someone who's informative posts is deeply missed (especially by Smile Brian). He may have gone too far with the Mike bashing, but at least he never abused anyone or sent death threats!

Now that's someone who was undeservedly banned. I definitely wasn't alone on thinking TRBB was a bit too rough concerning Ethan. I don't see how it's so difficult to forgive someone who apologized for his actions, & not once. Whatever, the done is done & he still got banned. At least, he made history by posting one of the rarest images we've seen of The BBs.

RE OSD, I've nothing against him, but all that "Bring Back OSD" campaign seemed sorta ridiculous, as well as unhealthy obsession with him. Anyway, as I've said, enough of talking these folks, there are others unmentioned.

Agreed with OSD. While I do think he should be unbanned, I find the obsession with him with some people to be insane!

I really hope that at least one of the mods (hopefully Billy as he was sympathetic) would come to their senses and unblock Ethan Clarke!

There's no obsession with OSD...some folks just liked him, myself included.


That will never happen. Saying the mods should "come to their senses" is just not appropriate considering what Ethan did. He may have been nice, but he was unstable.

Really? Then how would you describe the endless following his posts by his little circle of "fans", so to speak?

So was I. Spaceman (or quoting hypehat, not my words, "Spaceass").

Its really just because they think he doesn't deserve to be banned and would like to see him back here. That's not an obsession, or being a fan. That's just wanting a peer back here posting.

He's been a fan a long time, and it seems a bit sad to me he's been banned from the best BB site.
Agreed. I believe hypehat also called him a "fuckknuckle"

I wouldn't say he was too unstable, after the gore pictures incident, he proved to be a great member of this board for over a year, and was a great contributor. It's also worth noting that he really made an effort to change, and in a way I think he succeeded. Pixletwin and Stephen (and earlier, I.Spaceman) were pushing and attacking Ethan on that last thread. Ethan shouldn't have made that hypocritical comment, and I can understand why the two were angry, but I do feel for Ethan. He has Autism, and people with Autism can't really cope with pressure, and they can get hurt easily. Perhaps the two (and Jason) could have been more understanding. He made the last two comments because he didn't know what else to say, he was freaking out. And while that is abnormal behaviour for normal people, it was most likely how Ethan coped with the attacks on him, and he was obviously very upset.
Ethan did not fully deserve the treatment he got that day, and with his condition, he couldn't really help it, which is something the others didn't realize. Jason in particular should have handled that a lot better as he is a mod.
I still say Ethan should be unbanned!

This times a million. Ethan really tried to fit back in, and a lot of posters here sh*t all over that. They'd tear apart any comment of his. I swear, he couldn't post one comment without someone bringing up the pictures incident. To be fair, he would sometimes subtly bring it up as well, but I think he truly wanted to fit in here, and laughing at his own mistake was the best thing he could think of to fit back in. Taking into account his situation, you'd think the adults on this board would be a little more sympathetic about his actions. The kid has aspergers syndrome, explained that he hadn't taken his meds, and apologized profusely for what he did. But, I guess some grown-up posters here couldn't handle that.

This is a Beach Boys forum. You'd think the message of Love and Mercy would be a little more prevalent.

I talk with Ethan semi regularly...He was okay with his second banning.

I don't know what he said to get banned a second time, I'm sure you mods had every right to ban him. It just sucks that he was backed into a corner all the time by a few fellow posters here. He's a nice guy, has a great love for the Beach Boys.

Indeed. I never took his "Myke Luhv" shtick seriously...'twas just a funny thing to read as I scrolled through the millionth "top 25 favorite Dennis songs" thread. The "Bring OSD back" campaign was more of a joke than anything.

Granted, as AGD (or another highly-esteemed poster) recently pointed out, perhaps more people like Bruce would post here if there were a void of trolls like OSD. And I have to admit, I've noticed more honored guests post here in his absence...Perhaps a coincidence...perhaps not.

There are, of course, 2 sides to it  :P
Ethan was harmless, and its more than likely it would have stayed that way, as long as his freakout wasn't mentioned. So while it really should not have been brought up so often, some had the right to be angry. If I had a child who saw those photos, I don't think I could just forgive and forget. But it wasn't just that one thread, it happened when he posted anything.
But he did have some issues. Is an internet message board the best place for him, where anything can be said by anyone with no real repercussion? People (in general) are insensitive over the internet. Its not correct, but it is easy to be ignorant of someone who lives very far away and only exists to you in text.

So eh. I liked him. I talked with him a little via pm, and he was really pleasant, but I would not say his ban was unfairly cast, even if the circumstances were unfortunate.

He was on the Robert Andersson forum talking about how he was thinking of going to the parking lot of the M&B show nearby and handing out leaflets to try and boycott the show  ;D
Made me laugh. Goofy can be good...though he was probably serious  :lol

Yeah, I see your point and I do sympathize with the person whose kid saw the images. I just wish people were a little more sympathetic to Ethan's issues....because he really tried to redeem himself.


:lol Okay, that is pure gold :lol time to rally the team, we're starting the Bring Back OSD campaign again:

(http://i.imgur.com/KAmGDdM.jpg)

totally kidding of course ;D

YES!!!!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

He sure knew his music and was fun to talk to - until you didn't like something he did and then you were just 'stooooopid and didn't know what you were talking about' etc... Also he claimed he was just as outspoken in real life as he was from behind a keyboard, I doubt this unless he's a six foot plus black belt - if not he'd be picking up his teeth by now.

Your idea has a small amount of merit, but I don't want to debate who deserved/didn't deserve to be banned, so here's what I think: 

April 1st, any past members ever banned, will be unbanned, FOR 24 HOURS ONLY. For that same time span, all current members will be banned, so as not to be forced into any interaction with the first group.

People seem to forget that Ethan didn't just post those pictures, but he specifically said that "you're going to end up like this when I find out who you ****ers are" as he posted them.  It was an explicit death threat.  If there is really a rule that people are permanently banned after making death threats (which seems like a pretty reasonable rule to me), Ethan should never have been unbanned to begin with.  To claim that he should be unbanned and I. Spaceman shouldn't be is a pretty straightforward double standard.

Exactly, as one of the people he want to go after and kill that day. (I was one of his biggest supporters before that)

I agree that he should have stayed banned the first time and blew his second chance for making fun of AGD being banned.

Awesome Rab.

No names here, but if one of those guys does come back for 24 hours, it's gonna be open season and I'll be having target practice on him for awhile.  ;D

Can me, OSD, and Rob Mcabe have a meeting of the minds on the problem of Mike love. >:D

You also shouldn't forget that he has Autism, and when you push someone with Autism on the edge, things can turn ugly. He couldn't help it, and he genuinely regretted it after.
People do keep forgetting that he has a disability, and though his Autism is relatively high functioning (if he was low functioning, he wouldn't be able to talk or communicate to anyone), he still displayed obvious symptoms for it.
And what he did on that last thread was in no way justified in banning him, especially taking account of what he has and how he had done nothing for over a year before and made a great effort to change. I said it once, and I'll say it again: Bring Back Ethan!

Don't care. Glad he's gone.

This is the thread where Ethan got banned in. I'll let you judge for yourself whether he was fairly banned or not:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16045.0.html

He was, now deal with it.

He wasn't, now respect my opinion and I'll respect yours.
Put it this way: I want Ethan back as much as you want OSD back!

Did someone appoint you as his public defender? You seem to feel this is often a role you must fill. I think that is strange - that is just my opinion.

I say this as someone who has Asperger's Syndrome, which is similar to Autism but not nearly as severe, and far more stable.
Those pictures he posted in 2012 (I think) was horrid and I have nothing but sympathy for you who's child saw those images.
But people should have taken into account what he had, and how he made an strong effort to redeem himself. For someone with Autism, that is quite an uphill battle, but he did a great job.
What's also to take into account is how Autism affects your Communicative skills, so sometimes it may not look like he regret it, but I can tell he really did. And honestly, since that incident he proved to be a great member of this board, contributing greatly around here.
That incident with him, you, Stephen, and Jason did not justify him being banned. He made those final comments because he had no idea what to say, he was freaking out. It was quite sad to see.
I know you may not still agree with me, and I can understand. But please at least take into account his disability.

Love and Mercy

For what it's worth, I talk with Ethan semi-regularly (and consider him a friend, actually) , and he's not only okay with his ban but also feels it was for the best.

Whether he regrets it or not isn't my concern. It's a drag to surf the board and worry about what your kids may or may not see as they look over your shoulder. What he did broke my trust and the trust of many others.

It was right to ban him the first time.

It was wrong to let him back, in the first place, and it was right to ban him the second time based on that. Something which, according to Billy, he himself acknowledges now.

It was a real cocky move for him to root and cheer for the banning of another member in light of this (just or unjust). It was in poor taste. It rankled because it suggested that he didn't understand the reasons behind his initial banning and his "humble regret" was exposed as lip service. The man tried to manipulate people on to his side by feigning an imminent suicide should he be banned again.

No forum needs a drama magnet like that guy.

Billy has a soft heart. That is one of the things I like about him. I think that is awesome. But banning that guy was then, and still is, the right thing to have done.

That's all I have to say on the matter. Time get back to work.  ;D

He wasn't trying to manipulate anyone or was lying about regretting. I think he understood why he was banned in the first place, but as I have said, he has what is partly a Communication disorder, so he would have likely had a lot of trouble to express his feelings. He was freaking out when he made the last comments, he didn't know what else to say. Also, he had done virtually nothing bad for over a year before that, and he did seem like a genuinely nice guy.

Anyway, I can see that the only way we can agree is to agree to disagree on this  :)

He blew it twice and it's time to move on.

I kinda like this idea more than mine...it would be similar to a gladiator event, with all of us being the spectators. We could make charts and tally points for who trolls the hardest.

This sounds exciting. >:D

Who do you think would win?

1. newguy562
2. ghost
3. vintagemusic

Every member who has been banned has been banned for a reason. Said members will not be reinstated. And no, Ethan was not "unfairly" banned. He played the suicide card as a last-ditch attempt to gain favor with people. He got off light as far as I'm concerned. Mental illness does not equal a free pass. And to say that I should handle situations better because I'm a mod...don't go there. Really. Don't. It won't end well for you. I take more personal attacks on here than probably any other member (save perhaps Andrew Doe) and don't ban anyone for it. I'm willing to take what I give out. I'm VERY levelheaded on here.

But when a member deliberately tries to bully others with threats of offing himself because he suddenly develops a conscience over "OMG THE CHILDREN!"...that's really not going to end well. I had to nip that in the bud before it got worse.

Anyone know whether he went ahead and offed himself to spite everyone?

He didn't. As mentioned, I talk to him a bit on Facebook. He has problems, sure (and really, who doesn't) but he's an ace cat.

You forgot:

4. I. Spaceman
5. Whitemustache
6. Bgas

Wait.  Bgas is still here.  DAMN it.

Who is/was 'Whitemustache'?

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16208.msg397382.html#msg397382

Wow...I completely forgot about that!

Okay, I'll leave it at that. Let's just move on, even Ethan has according to Billy.

Also, I was totally unaware of all the personal attacks on you :lol You don't deserve it, you seem like a great person!

I've been on this board, and its direct ancestors for, oh, probably longer than some of you have been alive - and, I think, banned from all of them at one time or another: should I be mildly proud of that ? - and fact is, very, very few posters have ever been banned, and of those even fewer have been permanently banned. To achieve that takes applied stupidity on several fronts, not just being obnoxious re: Mike or posting vile images. In short, these people deserve to be banned, and (the basic joke premise of this thread aside) if they were unbanned then, well, what's the point of having mods in the first place ? Right now, this place - Smiley Smile, not the Sandbox - is a pretty nice place to be. I'd like it to stay that way.

As regards Ethan, he should never, ever be allowed back - playing the autism card doesn't work, as I've yet to encounter anyone thus inflicted who would do something so utterly disgusting. When I read his "I'll-just-go-kill-myself" post (while banned) my immediate reaction was... eh, you can probably guess.

We want ghost back!

"pop"

Please unban ghost or at least direct me to a wordpress or something for his Love You deconstructions

I honestly think ghost/nobody is dead. People seem to forget that he made several posts where he indicated that he was desperately unhappy and thinking about suicide.